burgrr said:
only females have the pheremones

This is true! But I doubt that's going to stop people from making OCs with special abilities bending the rules a little. :3

Harrs5 said:
Nearly all creatures create pheromones, humans release a pheromone-type thing when you see someone you wanna fuck which has information on your immune system, men and women. Unless it's a pokemon specific thing in which case fuck you.

Yeah but it's the females that have the special mind-control pheromones. The males don't. Is how it works.

Harrs5 said:
Nearly all creatures create pheromones, humans release a pheromone-type thing when you see someone you wanna fuck which has information on your immune system, men and women. Unless it's a pokemon specific thing in which case fuck you.

Again, only the females have the mind-control pheremones.
I'm sure there'll be tons of 'males have the pheremones too' lack of research pics, just like all of the RPers online who have their (biologically) male characters go into heat

burgrr said:
Again, only the females have the mind-control pheremones.
I'm sure there'll be tons of 'males have the pheremones too' lack of research pics, just like all of the RPers online who have their (biologically) male characters go into heat

Does it matter? its still a hot idea

burgrr said:
Again, only the females have the mind-control pheremones.
I'm sure there'll be tons of 'males have the pheremones too' lack of research pics, just like all of the RPers online who have their (biologically) male characters go into heat

Pokemon do not have genitals. They're also binary gendered.
Any porn is non-canon.

Danjen said:
Pokemon do not have genitals. They're also binary gendered.
Any porn is non-canon.

Pokemon are implied to have genitals by the fact that they're able to breed and create offspring. Of course, Game Freak never mentions this directly to keep it's family rating. They're kept to male and female (with the occasional genderless, mainly for most legendaries) in order to keep the breeding system simpler and easier to use with younger audiences.
Try playing a pokemon game for once.

Danjen said:
They're *implied* to have genitals? Where? Where do the games state this?
It's not explicitly stated anywhere. Almost anything that has to do with Pokemon reproduction is fanwank at best.

The entire point was that you can't pick and choose which rules to follow because it would be hypocritical. Complaining about "RPers not doing the research" is silly.

Also, everything from mammals to fish to robots lay eggs. That's not biologically possible, so clearly something is different with Pokemon.

Pokemon can have genders but most legendarys don't so they wont breed, Game freak won't show the bits because its a family game. And about robots and such they can have them because its a damn game

BZekky said:
Pokemon can have genders but most legendarys don't so they wont breed, Game freak won't show the bits because its a family game. And about robots and such they can have them because its a damn game

I was more getting at that you can't really say what's right and wrong when it comes to NSFW Pokemon stuff, whether it be art or RPing, since there's no canon to it

Damn, all this about the r63 of a female pheromone-spewing Salandit. Anyone got some cold popcorn?

can we get a female version please?

Danjen said:
They're *implied* to have genitals? Where? Where do the games state this?
It's not explicitly stated anywhere. Almost anything that has to do with Pokemon reproduction is fanwank at best.

The entire point was that you can't pick and choose which rules to follow because it would be hypocritical. Complaining about "RPers not doing the research" is silly.

Also, everything from mammals to fish to robots lay eggs. That's not biologically possible, so clearly something is different with Pokemon.

An electric mouse is also not biologically possible. Robots are not biological, and laying artificial 'eggs' is within possibility. Most fish lay eggs, with a few live birthing species. The only animal species that consistently gives live birth is mammals, and even then there's a few oviparous species such as the echinda and the duck-billed platypus.

I never said it was explicitly stated, and i explained why it isnt. It is, however, heavily implied through the fact that the majority of breedable pokemon are either male or female, and the fact that in all of the non-ditto cases, you need to pair a MALE pokemon and a FEMALE pokemon to make OFFSPRING.
There's also the fact that they're, y'know, living things. All living things capable of breeding and producing offspring have genitals, including plants and fungi.
There are genital-less things capable of producing offspring, but those are mostly bacteria and forms of potatoes.

I can say what's right and wrong about it because - it IS actually explicitly stated that Salandits only have mind-control capabilities in the FEMALES, along with that only FEMALES go into heat, so having a biologically male character go into heat is dumb. Sure, they can get more sexually active during a breeding season, but that's mostly because of whatever the females are giving off setting them into a breeding mode.

Oh, and mating is directly mentioned in reference to:
Ash's Butterfree being released during the Butterfree mating season
Cottonee blowing in the wind in large groups during its mating season
Volbeat doing intricate dances to attract mates
and Ursaring becoming more aggressive during its mating season.

burgrr said:
Pokemon are implied to have genitals by the fact that they're able to breed and create offspring.

MisterNightmare696 said:
Does it matter? its still a hot idea

Harrs5 said:
Nearly all creatures create pheromones

Jesus, people sure go a long way to justify their porn fantasies. Pokémon sex is not canon or non canon; it's just something that's never been explored in the universe. And frankly I don't think any non-furries really want it to be.

Can we stop arguing? Probably not. Anyways, it's not like us furries have never seen intersex characters before.

Counter-the-Courier said:
Can we stop arguing? Probably not.

At least it's entertaining, in the trainwreck kind of way.

Counter-the-Courier said:
Jesus, people sure go a long way to justify their porn fantasies. Pokémon sex is not canon or non canon; it's just something that's never been explored in the universe. And frankly I don't think any non-furries really want it to be.

Can we stop arguing? Probably not. Anyways, it's not like us furries have never seen intersex characters before.

I don't give two craps about pokemon sex being canon or not canon. I just don't think one should be all "OH This aspect of a fictional species is only seen in females, not males. Its biological"

Seriously if someone wants to give a male Salandit the pheromones then let them

burgrr said:
My thoughts actually were that the above Salandit is a hermaphrodite (both a penis and a vagina, for all of you who want to get on my ass for using that term) and its vagina is simply hard to see.

Would herm and intersex actually be a valid tag here? 'tag what you see' both kinda applies and doesnt apply here.

Tag what you see /always/ applies to images. If you can't /see/ it then it isn't in the picture. There are no inferences with the single exception of character names.

AnotherDay said:
Tag what you see /always/ applies to images. If you can't /see/ it then it isn't in the picture. There are no inferences with the single exception of character names.

I mean, you can see that it must be intersex in some way, but you have to make that connection yourself. 'here' meant the identity of the lizard.

It has a penis, it's male.

Guys, just enjoy the porn.

burgrr said:
I mean, you can see that it must be intersex in some way, but you have to make that connection yourself. 'here' meant the identity of the lizard.

You are the hero pokemon deserves.

Also, Screw all you morons out there who don't pay attention to the damn rules. I made damn sure I cataloged proof for future reference.

burgrr said:
only females have the pheremones

Not true. The females have the strong pheromones that can control the actions of others, but it never actually said that the male doesn't have pheromones of its own, weaker variant.

Furrin_Gok said:
Not true. The females have the strong pheromones that can control the actions of others, but it never actually said that the male doesn't have pheromones of its own, weaker variant.

It is stating specifically that the females have the pheromones, thus implying that the males do not have said pheromones. If they had it too, then it would have not specifically mentioned females.

Game Freak said:
Salandit females not only release toxic gases, they can also emit pheromones that attract males of all species, including Pokémon and humans. Inhaling these pheromones may cause opponents to be controlled by Salandit’s will.

The wording of it states that specifically females have the pheromones along with toxic gases. If only females have them, then that means males do not have them, because salandit males are not females.

Danjen said:
It has a penis, it's male.

Dickgirls aren't male.

burgrr said:
Game Freak said:
Salandit females not only release toxic gases, they can also emit pheromones that attract males of all species, including Pokémon and humans. Inhaling these pheromones may cause opponents to be controlled by Salandit’s will.

The wording of it states that specifically females have the pheromones along with toxic gases. If only females have them, then that means males do not have them, because salandit males are not females.

Tag what you see, not what you know. External information has no weight in tagging on e621. Only tag what is visible in the post, nothing else. The only exception would be names.
Disengage your knowledge from your vision when tagging posts.

This looks like a male, so it needs to be tagged as such.

burgrr said:
It is stating specifically that the females have the pheromones, thus implying that the males do not have said pheromones. If they had it too, then it would have not specifically mentioned females.

The wording of it states that specifically females have the pheromones along with toxic gases. If only females have them, then that means males do not have them, because salandit males are not females.

Read again: females have pheromones that effect pokemon and humans. Just means if males have them, they don't effect humans, just pokemon.

Hudson said:
Tag what you see, not what you know. External information has no weight in tagging on e621. Only tag what is visible in the post, nothing else. The only exception would be names.
Disengage your knowledge from your vision when tagging posts.

This looks like a male, so it needs to be tagged as such.

I wasn't discussing that anymore.

Furrin_Gok said:
Read again: females have pheromones that effect pokemon and humans. Just means if males have them, they don't effect humans, just pokemon.

I think you need to read it again, since it's implying that males have no pheromones in the first place.

An analogy to make would be like, for example:
Female mosquitoes suck the blood of certain animals and humans.

This means:
- Specifically female mosquitoes are capable of consuming blood
- Said blood comes from certain animal species, including humans.

This does not mean:
- Male mosquitoes are capable of consuming blood since it didn't say they cant
- Male mosquitoes suck blood but not as much blood, or not including blood from humans.

(For clarification, it is actually proven that only female mosquitoes drink blood - the males have no reason to endanger themselves in such a way because they do not carry eggs.)

burgrr said:
An analogy to make would be like, for example:
Female mosquitoes suck the blood of certain animals and humans.

This means:
- Specifically female mosquitoes are capable of consuming blood
- Said blood comes from certain animal species, including humans.

This does not mean:
- Male mosquitoes are capable of consuming blood since it didn't say they cant
- Male mosquitoes suck blood but not as much blood, or not including blood from humans.

(For clarification, it is actually proven that only female mosquitoes drink blood - the males have no reason to endanger themselves in such a way because they do not carry eggs.)

It's true they male mosquitos can't suck blood, but that doesn't necessarily apply here.

Try this one: Female humans have teats that are capable of dripping milk through the nearby pores when suction is applied, the milk typically being produced during pregnancy or when raising an infant.
Does this mean male humans don't have nipples? Not at all, they still have them! The thing about this factoid is a specific portion does not apply to males: the milk.
If Game Freak wanted different genders to have different skills, they would have done as they did with Volbeat and Illumise.

Furrin_Gok said:
It's true they male mosquitos can't suck blood, but that doesn't necessarily apply here.

Try this one: Female humans have teats that are capable of dripping milk through the nearby pores when suction is applied, the milk typically being produced during pregnancy or when raising an infant.
Does this mean male humans don't have nipples? Not at all, they still have them! The thing about this factoid is a specific portion does not apply to males: the milk.
If Game Freak wanted different genders to have different skills, they would have done as they did with Volbeat and Illumise.

People who claim that male humans don't have breast tissue are incorrect - male humans have breast tissue and are even capable of getting breast cancer and even, in extremely rare cases, lactation.

I'd imagine it would taste something like dirty pennies or that nondescript kind of sticky garbage juice, though.

Didn't get to edit in time, but i also wanted to mention you did have a point, but my standpoint still remains that males using pheremones is purely fanon until stated otherwise by Game Freak.

Also, I do know that there are some pokemon that are differen in the same pokemon based on gender - such as Hippowdon, Unfezant, and Meowstic.

burgrr said:
Didn't get to edit in time, but i also wanted to mention you did have a point, but my standpoint still remains that males using pheremones is purely fanon until stated otherwise by Game Freak.

Likewise, the males lacking pheremones is purely fanon until stated otherwise by Game Freak.

Also, I do know that there are some pokemon that are differen in the same pokemon based on gender - such as Hippowdon, Unfezant, and Meowstic.

...I never knew that meowstics get different movesets based on gender.

burgrr said:
I mean, you can see that it must be intersex in some way, but you have to make that connection yourself. 'here' meant the identity of the lizard.

Maybe if I already know about the poke'mon using outside sources I can make that connection, sure, yet just in the picture itself without any context? Afraid not, without any context this is just a male, and that's what matters to tags.

Is there really a point to any of this?

Deh-tiger said:
Crossgender is kind of a 'joke tag' anyways (it's based on the rule63 meme).

Crossgender is a serious tag to be added when a character is actually the opposite gender than they're supposed to be. As I've said before, there's no statement from Game Freak that the males don't have any pheremones, theres' no reason to add it here unless they do state that.

Deh-tiger said:
I'm gonna bring up a whole new tagging debate that hasn't even been discussed in the comments yet (sorry... sorta): I'm re-adding the crossgender and brain_washing tags.

Not because I think they're accurate, but because I think they're close enough. We don't have (or need) a fictional-species-sexual-dimorphism-genital-mismatch tag or an implied_offscreen_brain_washing tag. Crossgender is kind of a 'joke tag' anyways (it's based on the rule63 meme). Brain_washing is more debate-able, since you don't see someone with swirly_eyes and could potentially imagine it's not even happening... So if you want to remove it, go ahead.

Yeah don't do this ever again or I will do mean things to your user record.

This is a male. Canon is irrelevant. No mind control can be seen.

Just because these tags can be removed does not mean they should have been added.

Furrin_Gok said:
Likewise, the males lacking pheremones is purely fanon until stated otherwise by Game Freak.

...I never knew that meowstics get different movesets based on gender.

I never said Meowstic had different movesets, but i did say there are gender differences Same with Unfezant, Hippowdon, and many other pokemon. There is nothing stopping Game Freak making gender-specific moves for pokemon, though, and like I said (or should have said), female Salandit knowing Hypnosis or a similar, signature move, would be pretty interesting.

burgrr said:
I never said Meowstic had different movesets

They do, though. I checked on Bulbapedia.

Hudson said:
This looks like a male, so it needs to be tagged as such.

But then how do you make a judgment call about cuntboys and such?

Danjen said:
But then how do you make a judgment call about cuntboys and such?

Masculine and flat chest + pussy = cuntboy.
Likewise, feminine, breasts, and penis = dickgirl.
Add a vagina to that equation, you get a herm.
Cuntboy + penis also = male herm.

If there's any others, I don't know 'bout them yet.

Furrin_Gok said:
They do, though. I checked on Bulbapedia.

Oh, i thought you were being sarcastic. My mistake

burgrr said:
Oh, i thought you were being sarcastic. My mistake

Wait, I'm confused now. Did you not know they had different movesets, and were only mentioning their appearance differences? I was mentioning Illumise and Volbeat because they have different movesets, and I thought that was what you were mentioning, too. I didn't bother to look at the others, and just assumed they'd have different movesets, too. (Turns out, they don't--it's just the appearance, not the moves)

It sure was obvious this shitshow was going to happen

This fucking comment section, oh my god.

There's pathetic, then there's this comment section.

Some of the dex entries in gen 7 directly mention Pokemon fucking and laying eggs.

lolwat421 said:
Some of the dex entries in gen 7 directly mention Pokemon fucking and laying eggs.

There should be an “Everybody Fucks” book as well.

This comments section gave me cancer!

"Oh I wonder why this pic has 50+ comments, it must be drama-"

Sure enough, it was.

These people do be having breakdowns over a video game lizard and its pheromones