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Topic: Tag Implication: striped_tail -> multicolored_tail

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

BlueDingo said:

Implications:

+1. It is a bit surprising that these implications haven't been suggested until now.

BlueDingo said:

Misc.

Yes, it shouldn't.

There are some key differences between tail rings (marking) and tail stripes:

I) The former are "perfect" circles, hence typically haven't a start or an end, while the latter typically have.

II) The former may be way thicker than the latter are (e.g.)

III) The former typically have a defined and regular spacing, while the latter tend to be more irregular.

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Edit:
I am going to sleep, will respond (post below) later.

Updated by anonymous

O16 said:
I) The former are "perfect" circles, hence typically haven't a start or an end, while the latter typically have.

II) The former may be way thicker than the latter are (e.g.)

III) The former typically have a defined and regular spacing, while the latter tend to be more irregular.

Since when are stripes supposed to have a definite start/finish? Or a specific thickness? Or a specific variation in spacing? None of these
points explains why they're not stripes. All you've done is say they're a specific type of stripe.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/ufe_rw_stripes.gif

Here is a striped flag. All of the stripes are of uniform thickness and spacing. If I bent it around and connected the left and right edges to form a cylinder, does it suddenly stop being striped?

Updated by anonymous

While personally i would prefer to differentiate between stripes that are lines that have a start and and a end while rings are lines that form a loop.

striped tail =

3_toes 4_fingers abstract_background black_sclera black_tongue blue_body blue_scales blue_tail blue_wings claws crown dragon fangs feet feral fingers flying hair headgear looking_at_viewer markings membrane_(anatomy) membranous_wings multicolored_body multicolored_scales mythological_creature mythological_scalie mythology open_mouth scales scalie short_hair solo striped_body striped_markings striped_scales striped_tail stripes tail tail_markings teeth thatwildmary toes tongue tongue_out two_tone_body two_tone_scales two_tone_tail white_body white_hair white_scales white_tail wings wuldonyx yellow_eyes
2017 alternate_species anthro black_body black_fur black_stripes blue_eyes blue_hair breasts chest_tuft collar collar_of_keidranification collar_only collar_tag conditional_dnp crossgender digitigrade featureless_breasts featureless_crotch felid female fur hair keidran long_hair mammal markings navel nude pink_nose pose simple_background sketch smile solo striped_body striped_fur striped_markings striped_tail stripes tail tail_markings third-party_edit tiger_trace tom_fischbach tuft twokinds white_background white_body white_fur

ringed tail =
2012 3_toes abs abstract_background anthro belt biceps biped blue_body blue_eyes blue_fur blue_skin bottomwear claws clothed clothing coat crouching dragon fangs feet fur grin hair hi_res horn jacket looking_at_viewer male markings muscular muscular_anthro muscular_male mythological_creature mythological_scalie mythology neodokuro open_clothing open_mouth open_shirt open_topwear pants paws pecs pose scales scalie schism shirt simple_background smile solo standing stripes tail teeth toe_claws toes tongue topwear trenchcoat white_body white_fur
ambiguous_gender big_eyes blood_orange_(fruit) blue_hair chibi demon ear_piercing felid feral food fruit hair horn hybrid mammal melloque orange_(fruit) pantherine piercing plant realistic solo stripes tiger tongue tongue_out

i have to agree with blue, in google searches ring tail pretty much completly overlaps with striped tail...

https://www.google.com/search?q=striped+tail&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs6sGjxo_WAhUB-GMKHeDDBYoQ_AUICigB&biw=1919&bih=956
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1919&bih=956&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ring+tail&oq=ring+tail&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i67k1j0i10i67k1l2.304424.305306.0.306310.4.4.0.0.0.0.219.576.0j3j1.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.4.574...0i7i30k1j0i13k1j0i7i10i30k1.gQPOrDHKiiY

Also thickness,spacing and clean/irregular are not traits for differentiation as both types of markings can vary equally among these traits.

PS:if that flag was folded into a cylinder then that would also stop being a actual flag in accordance of other things like clothing splashed with a flag design not being a actual flag.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff
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-1.
Striped is usually two colors, and multi-colored tags are meant to be used for more than two. Two colors should go under two_tone_* instead.

Some recent implications broke that, but it'd be better to fix those (such as dipstick_tail -> multicolored_tail) rather than break it further.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar said:
-1.
Striped is usually two colors, and multi-colored tags were meant to be used for more than two (which should go under two_tone_* instead). Some recent implications broke that, but it'd be better to fix those rather than break it further.

But striped tails aren't always two colors, they can often be multiple colors like rainbow tails for example

2013 5_fingers anthro antlers ass_to_ass athletic back-print_panties belly big_nose biped bite_mark black_clothing black_nose black_panties black_underwear blue_body blue_clothing blue_fur blue_hair blue_stripes bottomwear brown_eyes brown_hair bulge butt butt_focus butt_heart butt_squish chair changing_clothing cheek_tuft clothed clothes_hanger clothing clothing_pull coat_hook countershade_face countershade_tail countershade_torso countershading danaroo deer digital_media_(artwork) discarded_clothing door duo ear_piercing ears_back eyebrows facial_tuft femboy fingers fitting_room fluffy fluffy_tail footwear frilly fur furniture green_stripes hair half-closed_eyes head_tuft horn humanoid_hands inner_ear_fluff inside kangaroo leaning leaning_forward legwear lgbt_pride long_ears long_tail looking_at_butt looking_back looking_down macropod male mammal mane mane_hair markings marsupial multicolored_body multicolored_eyes multicolored_fur multicolored_tail narrowed_eyes notched_ear open_mouth orange_clothing orange_stripes panties panties_bulge panty_pull pattern_bottomwear pattern_clothing pattern_panties pattern_underwear penis_in_panties piercing pivoted_ears portrait pride_color_tail pride_colors print_clothing print_panties print_underwear purple_belly purple_body rainbow rainbow_body rainbow_eyes rainbow_pride_colors rainbow_symbol rainbow_tail raised_eyebrow raised_tail rear_view red_clothing red_panties red_stripes red_underwear ryarik short_hair short_tail six-stripe_rainbow_pride_colors smile socks spots spotted_body spotted_fur squish standing star star_panties star_print star_print_panties star_print_underwear star_underwear striped_bottomwear striped_clothing striped_panties striped_underwear stripes tail take_your_pick thick_tail thigh_highs thigh_socks three-quarter_portrait topless touching_own_panties touching_panties tuft two_tone_body two_tone_fur underwear underwear_pull watermark wedgie white_belly white_body white_countershading white_fur white_horn white_spots white_stripes yellow_clothing yellow_stripes

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff
2011 annoyed antennae_(anatomy) arthropod biped black_markings blessed_image blue_eyes bottomwear clothed clothing crossed_arms daww digital_media_(artwork) digital_painting_(artwork) digital_watercolor_(artwork) duo feral front_view green_body hawk_moth human insect insect_wings lepidopteran lifting lol_comments male mammal markings moth nisimawari pellucid_hawk_moth portrait quadruped shirt shorts simple_background simulated_traditional_(artwork) solo_focus spread_wings standing three-quarter_portrait three-quarter_view topwear white_background wings

facelessmess said:
But striped tails aren't always two colors, they can often be multiple colors like rainbow tails for example

2013 5_fingers anthro antlers ass_to_ass athletic back-print_panties belly big_nose biped bite_mark black_clothing black_nose black_panties black_underwear blue_body blue_clothing blue_fur blue_hair blue_stripes bottomwear brown_eyes brown_hair bulge butt butt_focus butt_heart butt_squish chair changing_clothing cheek_tuft clothed clothes_hanger clothing clothing_pull coat_hook countershade_face countershade_tail countershade_torso countershading danaroo deer digital_media_(artwork) discarded_clothing door duo ear_piercing ears_back eyebrows facial_tuft femboy fingers fitting_room fluffy fluffy_tail footwear frilly fur furniture green_stripes hair half-closed_eyes head_tuft horn humanoid_hands inner_ear_fluff inside kangaroo leaning leaning_forward legwear lgbt_pride long_ears long_tail looking_at_butt looking_back looking_down macropod male mammal mane mane_hair markings marsupial multicolored_body multicolored_eyes multicolored_fur multicolored_tail narrowed_eyes notched_ear open_mouth orange_clothing orange_stripes panties panties_bulge panty_pull pattern_bottomwear pattern_clothing pattern_panties pattern_underwear penis_in_panties piercing pivoted_ears portrait pride_color_tail pride_colors print_clothing print_panties print_underwear purple_belly purple_body rainbow rainbow_body rainbow_eyes rainbow_pride_colors rainbow_symbol rainbow_tail raised_eyebrow raised_tail rear_view red_clothing red_panties red_stripes red_underwear ryarik short_hair short_tail six-stripe_rainbow_pride_colors smile socks spots spotted_body spotted_fur squish standing star star_panties star_print star_print_panties star_print_underwear star_underwear striped_bottomwear striped_clothing striped_panties striped_underwear stripes tail take_your_pick thick_tail thigh_highs thigh_socks three-quarter_portrait topless touching_own_panties touching_panties tuft two_tone_body two_tone_fur underwear underwear_pull watermark wedgie white_belly white_body white_countershading white_fur white_horn white_spots white_stripes yellow_clothing yellow_stripes

Ones with two colors should be tagged as two_tone_tail, and ones with more than two as multicolored_tail. But since they're not all multi-colored, no implication can be made.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar said:
-1.
Striped is usually two colors, and multi-colored tags are meant to be used for more than two. Two colors should go under two_tone_* instead.

Some recent implications broke that, but it'd be better to fix those (such as dipstick_tail -> multicolored_tail) rather than break it further.

Look at the wiki, it is at least 2 colors, not more then 2 color. Worth pointing out two_tone_* skin, fur, body, feathers and scales among others are all implicated to their multicolor equivalent "two tone" is not a separate definition, it is a sub-catagory of multicolored_*

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

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Darou said:
Look at the wiki, it is at least 2 colors, not more then 2 color.

That was changed by someone without any discussion. Check the original entries.

Multi- usually means 'many', and there's quite a difference between two colors and many colors. Tagging 'multi-colored' for any body part that has markings is excessive, and almost certainly not what the users are looking for if they search for multi-anything. At least based on GIS.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar said:
That was changed by someone without any discussion. Check the original entries.

Multi- usually means 'many', and there's quite a difference between two colors and many colors. Tagging 'multi-colored' for any body part that has markings is excessive, and almost certainly not what the users are looking for if they search for multi-anything. At least based on GIS.

but it seems to be the standard on this site that multi colored tags are for things that have two or more colors. most of two tone tags imply to multicolored tags and most of wiki pages state that mulitcolored tags are for things with two or more colors.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff
2011 annoyed antennae_(anatomy) arthropod biped black_markings blessed_image blue_eyes bottomwear clothed clothing crossed_arms daww digital_media_(artwork) digital_painting_(artwork) digital_watercolor_(artwork) duo feral front_view green_body hawk_moth human insect insect_wings lepidopteran lifting lol_comments male mammal markings moth nisimawari pellucid_hawk_moth portrait quadruped shirt shorts simple_background simulated_traditional_(artwork) solo_focus spread_wings standing three-quarter_portrait three-quarter_view topwear white_background wings

Ledian said:
but it seems to be the standard on this site that multi colored tags are for things that have two or more colors. most of two tone tags imply to multicolored tags and most of wiki pages state that mulitcolored tags are for things with two or more colors.

The admin who did those liked to solo, and we've had to undo a lot of bad aliases and implications they made. After the first ones got implicated without discussion, the rest have followed the 'standard'.

But it is not a good standard. If any character who has any kind of markings or different colorings is multi-colored, then almost every character on the site is multi-colored. Except for humans and humanoids.

It should also be noted that most wiki entries of two_tone_* point out that those shouldn't be used if the colors are of similar shade. So grey stripes on dark grey fur is not two toned, and definitely not multi-colored.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar said:
So grey stripes on dark grey fur is not two toned, and definitely not multi-colored.

So two tones of grey is not two toned... Interesting.

Updated by anonymous

BlueDingo said:
So two tones of grey is not two toned... Interesting.

much like gender on e621, the "tone" in two_tone_* is a misleading term, we are actually talking about hue, not tone. If tone(or tint/shade) was really what is actually being talked about and allowed then yes as genjar say literally everything would be tagged as two_tone_*, some would even be taging simple celshading as such>>

Also genjar that google search regarding multicolor seem to imply rainbows for the most part not multiple colors in general, excludes 3 and 4 color palettes as well for the most part which would comprise the majority in multicolor tag on e621. if 2 color palletes are excluded.

As far as coloring goes anything more then 1 is multiple, color does not have that 3 part grouping we apply to number of characters, two_tone_* is a sub-catagory of multicolor in the same way 4_arms is a sub-catagory of multi_arms for example. to be clear two_tone_* implications are what we are talking about not aliases.

Updated by anonymous

BlueDingo said:
Since when are stripes supposed to have a definite start/finish? Or a specific thickness? Or a specific variation in spacing? None of these
points explains why they're not stripes. All you've done is say they're a specific type of stripe.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/ufe_rw_stripes.gif

Here is a striped flag. All of the stripes are of uniform thickness and spacing. If I bent it around and connected the left and right edges to form a cylinder, does it suddenly stop being striped?

I actually was referring to stripes commonly seem in animals (focusing on their tails), not necessary to stripes as a whole.

Also that is more banded than striped (see below).

Darou said:
While personally i would prefer to differentiate between stripes that are lines that have a start and and a end while rings are lines that form a loop.

striped tail =

3_toes 4_fingers abstract_background black_sclera black_tongue blue_body blue_scales blue_tail blue_wings claws crown dragon fangs feet feral fingers flying hair headgear looking_at_viewer markings membrane_(anatomy) membranous_wings multicolored_body multicolored_scales mythological_creature mythological_scalie mythology open_mouth scales scalie short_hair solo striped_body striped_markings striped_scales striped_tail stripes tail tail_markings teeth thatwildmary toes tongue tongue_out two_tone_body two_tone_scales two_tone_tail white_body white_hair white_scales white_tail wings wuldonyx yellow_eyes
2017 alternate_species anthro black_body black_fur black_stripes blue_eyes blue_hair breasts chest_tuft collar collar_of_keidranification collar_only collar_tag conditional_dnp crossgender digitigrade featureless_breasts featureless_crotch felid female fur hair keidran long_hair mammal markings navel nude pink_nose pose simple_background sketch smile solo striped_body striped_fur striped_markings striped_tail stripes tail tail_markings third-party_edit tiger_trace tom_fischbach tuft twokinds white_background white_body white_fur

ringed tail =
2012 3_toes abs abstract_background anthro belt biceps biped blue_body blue_eyes blue_fur blue_skin bottomwear claws clothed clothing coat crouching dragon fangs feet fur grin hair hi_res horn jacket looking_at_viewer male markings muscular muscular_anthro muscular_male mythological_creature mythological_scalie mythology neodokuro open_clothing open_mouth open_shirt open_topwear pants paws pecs pose scales scalie schism shirt simple_background smile solo standing stripes tail teeth toe_claws toes tongue topwear trenchcoat white_body white_fur
ambiguous_gender big_eyes blood_orange_(fruit) blue_hair chibi demon ear_piercing felid feral food fruit hair horn hybrid mammal melloque orange_(fruit) pantherine piercing plant realistic solo stripes tiger tongue tongue_out

Well, this would make things easier to sort for sure.

Darou said:
i have to agree with blue, in google searches ring tail pretty much completly overlaps with striped tail...

https://www.google.com/search?q=striped+tail&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs6sGjxo_WAhUB-GMKHeDDBYoQ_AUICigB&biw=1919&bih=956
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1919&bih=956&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ring+tail&oq=ring+tail&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i67k1j0i10i67k1l2.304424.305306.0.306310.4.4.0.0.0.0.219.576.0j3j1.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.4.574...0i7i30k1j0i13k1j0i7i10i30k1.gQPOrDHKiiY

That isn't the first case in witch the internet cannot "agree" on certain matter, this kind of confusion is pretty common, but since we are discussing organization of content under a specific site, is necessary to found some agreement.

Note: "ring tail" is a term mostly used for bassariks and rig-tailed_lemurs; that is why your second link shows mostly images of those two creatures rather than ringed tails in general.

Darou said:
Also thickness,spacing and clean/irregular are not traits for differentiation as both types of markings can vary equally among these traits.

Not actually.
Stripes usually are thin and often irregular, while tail rings commonly are thick ans have considerable regularity in regards of spacing and shape.

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I guess is important to notice the difference between 'striped' and 'banded' in order of clarifying this matter:

  • A striped layer would be a base color covered by thin lines with variable regularity and/or length (stripes).
  • A banded layer would be a composition of alternating paralel lines with regular ticknes and spacing (bands).

Note 1: Since "striped" has a more common usage it also became use more broadly, causing some... "mixing".

Note 2: Those concepts may overlap if the stripes/bands are thin and regularly spaced.

-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-

About 'multicolored' vs 'two_tone':

I guess that understand what Genjar is stating; keeping 2 and ≥3 apart is more logical from organization sake also seems more intuitive (both in regard of searching and tagging).

Also, quite frankly, "bicolored" sounds a way better fitting than "two_tone", I wonder why we didn't started with it.

Additionally, If so those tags are meant to not be used for hue variations, then having a set of tags for this would help organizing things.

Updated by anonymous

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