Telling people to use their blacklist instead of complaining on something they willfully clicked on and then getting downvoted for doing so.

Stupidity is the death of me.

JoeX said:
I'm sure you're joking, but just in case you're unaware, that's one vehicle. I'm not entirely sure what happened, but if Chevy Tahoes have homicidal tendencies, I won't be buying one.

...It is, too. I thought that was two vehicles, not two parts of the same vehicle. I guess I need to get my eyes checked.

NOPE. https://i.redd.it/iel8g1urpcwy.jpg

The song that goes "I play Pokemon Go everyday."

JoeX said:
I'm sure you're joking, but just in case you're unaware, that's one vehicle. I'm not entirely sure what happened, but if Chevy Tahoes have homicidal tendencies, I won't be buying one.

o_O ???

JoeX said:
How does something like this happen?! https://m.imgur.com/gallery/qyUrE
Yes, it made me facepalm.

...WOAH! wth happened there? damn... how does something like that even happen?

i mean...wow, that's...wtf were they doing?

treos said:
o_O ???

...WOAH! wth happened there? damn... how does something like that even happen?

i mean...wow, that's...wtf were they doing?

According to the OP on Reddit, they removed the body to repair the drivetrain, but it wasn't properly centered when they put it back on. When they lifted it, the truck shifted and fell apart. This is definitely totalled, and the people who screwed this up will probably get fired for it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/trump-transgender-military.html?mcubz=1

mfw https://youtu.be/sfzMNEdIqHs?t=1m4s

much as franku's dogged on the far right, i can't help but imagine he was thinking of the tangerine bear when recording this lolol

how did such a good country get so retarded to go from lincoln almost two centuries ago, to a literal waste of brain cells in the far future

notawerewolf said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/trump-transgender-military.html?mcubz=1

2 scoops
2 genders
2 terms

Deal with it

All joking aside, this is a good thing. The US shouldn't allow anyone suffering from a mental illness to join the military . Gender Dysphoria is usually accompanied with an anxiety disorder and depression. Which leads to high suicide rates, even after surgery and/or hormone treatments. Not to mention taxpayers shouldn't be paying for anyone in the military to have reassignment surgery and/or hormone treatments. Our military should focus on being the best fighting force it could be . It shouldn't turn into safe space for mentally unstable people, thats what college is for.

notawerewolf said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/trump-transgender-military.html?mcubz=1

was a bit hesitant to post about that after yesterdays argument.

treos said:
was a bit hesitant to post about that after yesterdays argument.

I mean, it's not like an admin asked you guys to stop talking about gender politics or anything.

ThoughtCrime said:
Gender Dysphoria is usually accompanied with an anxiety disorder and depression. Which leads to high suicide rates, even after surgery and/or hormone treatments.

Not to mention the military already has a high enough suicide rate as it is. Adding gender dysphoria on top of the shit a soldier has to deal with can't end well.

treos said:
was a bit hesitant to post about that after yesterdays argument.

there was an argument? i didn't come back at all between posts

ThoughtCrime said:
2 scoops
2 genders
2 terms

Deal with it

All joking aside, this is a good thing. The US shouldn't allow anyone suffering from a mental illness to join the military . Gender Dysphoria is usually accompanied with an anxiety disorder and depression. Which leads to high suicide rates, even after surgery and/or hormone treatments. Not to mention taxpayers shouldn't be paying for anyone in the military to have reassignment surgery and/or hormone treatments. Our military should focus on being the best fighting force it could be . It shouldn't turn into safe space for mentally unstable people, thats what college is for.

being more-likely to be depressed doesn't mean you should be treated as if you have depression, and gender dysphoria is no more a "mental illness" than it is for you to sit covered in cheeto dust jerking your wanker to animal dicc. we all differ from the norm, the line is drawn at serious negative effects on one's person. i'm not here to preach, just to fap. but don't say i didn't warn you thirty years from now when we're all looking back and laughing at you crazy leftists and rightists who ended up on the wrong side of history.

turns out that trump had not made any changes and he had not discussed about changing the military's policies about trans people with anyone. he was just shitposting on twitter.

also military spends far more money on viagra than medical costs of trans people. but i guess that is something you guys consider something tax payers should be spending their money on rather than medical procedures that help trans people to be comfortable in their own bodies.

also this might be a surprise but people who are rarely treated with basic respect tend to be more depressed and anxious than the ones who are treated with basic respect. shocking, right?

Ledian said:
but i guess that is something you guys consider something tax payers should be spending their money on rather than medical procedures that help trans people to be comfortable in their own bodies.

um...the hormone therapy and sex change operations are a luxury, not a necessity.

treos said:
um...the hormone therapy and sex change operations are a luxury, not a necessity.

So is Viagra in many cases. Something tells me they're buying it for something other than maintaining erections.

treos said:
um...the hormone therapy and sex change operations are a luxury, not a necessity.

so is therapy for suicide risks. doesn't mean it's useless.

treos said:
um...the hormone therapy and sex change operations are a luxury, not a necessity.

and what viagra is? do you consider it necessity or....?

I'm not gonna argue about the luxury or necessity of this topic, but I am going to point out that Viagra has other medicinal uses. It mimics a blood thinner by inhibiting phospodiesterase-5, leading to vasodilation.

There are some uses for that which may benefit the military, but why they'd take that over specific others that benefit in the same situation is beyond me. i don't think cutting corners would be wise because Viagra can interfere with other medications severely.

Ledian said:
and what viagra is? do you consider it necessity or....?

Not really, but like I said before, they're probably not using it to maintain erections. Here's some other possible uses for it.

i do understand that viagra has other medical properties, but somehow i doubt that they only use viagra for medical treatments. especially if you consider how massive amounts of viagra we are talking about here.

notawerewolf said:

being more-likely to be depressed doesn't mean you should be treated as if you have depression

Well I didn't say that but if you have a physiological condition that may leave you prone to depression it should be taken into consideration.

gender dysphoria is no more a "mental illness" than it is for you to sit covered in cheeto dust jerking your wanker to animal dicc.

Having a condition that requires physiological treatment is a lot different then being a pervert that likes comics about pocket monsters fucking each other. Anime and dirty japanese comics done fucked me up in the head.., two nukes wasn't enough ; )

we all differ from the norm, the line is drawn at serious negative effects on one's person.

Yeah thats what i'm talking about. If you have a condition that requires you to take hormone therapy or have a reassignment surgery as part of the treatment you shouldn't be in something as mentally demanding as the military. What happens if they can't get a hormone treatment that keeps them "normal/balanced" or if there's a complication with their surgical modified genitalia when they're on the field? This is about keeping the people that serve safe and making sure our troops are as effective as possible.

What makes me cringe and facepalm: transphobes.

Especially those who claim to support "facts" then conveniently ignore them when making transphobic/anti-non-binary gender arguments.

BlackLicorice said:
What makes me cringe and facepalm: transphobes.

Especially those who claim to support "facts" then conveniently ignore them when making transphobic/anti-non-binary gender arguments.

Anyone who doesn't completely buy into my ideology is transphobic. doubleplusgoodthinkful comrade

This is a reply to several posts.

U.S. military members get lots of perks such as GI bill benefits and VA health care. Many people who join the military will admit that they are not just doing it to protect their country. 100% altruism is not a requirement to join the voluntary service. So if transgendered recruits are joining to get health care benefits, that is not a disqualifier in any way.

To be considered a veteran and get most of those benefits, you have to get through basic training, serve for 90-180 days, and avoid a dishonorable discharge. Consult this chart to learn more. It is unlikely that there will be a sudden flood of transgender recruits that meet these requirements. Getting surgeries while on active duty still requires making it through basic training.

From the summary of the RAND Corporation's January study of the issue:

It is difficult to estimate the number of transgender personnel in the military due to current policies and a lack of empirical data. Applying a range of prevalence estimates, combining data from multiple surveys, and adjusting for the male/female distribution in the military provided a midrange estimate of around 2,450 transgender personnel in the active component (out of a total number of approximately 1.3 million active-component service members) and 1,510 in the Selected Reserve.

Only a subset will seek gender transition–related treatment. Estimates derived from survey data and private health insurance claims data indicate that, each year, between 29 and 129 service members in the active component will seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.

Using private health insurance claims data to estimate the cost of extending gender transition–related health care coverage to transgender personnel indicated that active-component health care costs would increase by between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually, representing a 0.04- to 0.13-percent increase in active-component health care expenditures.

Even upper-bound estimates indicate that less than 0.1 percent of the total force would seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.

Soldiers are not all going to get surgeries that require them to be taken off the front lines. Some may use just hormone replacement therapy, and some are not going to seek treatment at all.

There are no "tremendous medical costs", and the study didn't find a problem with unit cohesion in foreign militaries. There might be a problem with unit cohesion if over a thousand soldiers are suddenly discharged.

Now we learn that the Joint Chiefs of Staff has no plans to implement policies delivered in tweet form. If we're lucky, this issue will just go away with no changes to current Pentagon policy.

Most of the meme community, and I mean furry animation memers as well as dank memers. Memes just get annoying rather quickly and people create tons of unoriginal memes. Filthy Frank tried to be original only to become one of the most unoriginal memers on the entire internet due to his fanbase. Many memers tend to be kinda rude people as well.

malleablecrowbar said:
Most of the meme community, and I mean furry animation memers as well as dank memers. Memes just get annoying rather quickly and people create tons of unoriginal memes. Filthy Frank tried to be original only to become one of the most unoriginal memers on the entire internet due to his fanbase. Many memers tend to be kinda rude people as well.

Sounds like someone needs to smoke more dank memes.

Lance_Armstrong said:
This is a reply to several posts.

U.S. military members get lots of perks such as GI bill benefits and VA health care. Many people who join the military will admit that they are not just doing it to protect their country. 100% altruism is not a requirement to join the voluntary service. So if transgendered recruits are joining to get health care benefits, that is not a disqualifier in any way.

To be considered a veteran and get most of those benefits, you have to get through basic training, serve for 90-180 days, and avoid a dishonorable discharge. Consult this chart to learn more. It is unlikely that there will be a sudden flood of transgender recruits that meet these requirements. Getting surgeries while on active duty still requires making it through basic training.

From the summary of the RAND Corporation's January study of the issue:

Soldiers are not all going to get surgeries that require them to be taken off the front lines. Some may use just hormone replacement therapy, and some are not going to seek treatment at all.

There are no "tremendous medical costs", and the study didn't find a problem with unit cohesion in foreign militaries. There might be a problem with unit cohesion if over a thousand soldiers are suddenly discharged.

Now we learn that the Joint Chiefs of Staff has no plans to implement policies delivered in tweet form. If we're lucky, this issue will just go away with no changes to current Pentagon policy.

True. I just don't get why people would think transgender soldiers would cost more to operate with? Many cis people aren't exactly suitable for the army these days either, but those who are should be allowed to serve... if they know that they're fighting for resources, benefits, and political drama rather than to kill 'horrible people.' There's a reason we haven't just put an end to ISIS already. It's because America wants its resources probably, but idk. We could've stopped ISIS a long time ago, but we haven't for some reason, and it just feels like we're sending troops into death pits for population control at this point. The reason the government gives benefits is because they spend trillions more than they need to already on the military. They could buy every single troop a mansion and Mercdes with the exorbitent cash flow projected into the army. Every other fund in America combined is only about 1% of the cash that goes into the army. Makes you wonder why they want more cash in the army and what reason the government has to spend so much on the army. If they wanted more profit, maybe they shouldn't waste it all on extra military vehicles, and if they do, can I get a free tank and army truck and army jeep and apache helicopter PLUS my own plot of land protected by top-grade security for all 4 of those vehicles?

On a more personal note, I am acquaintances with a trans person who is presently an active military service member and has been for several years. Based on my interactions with them, they struck me as one of the most calm, rational, and levelheaded soldiers I've ever met, both within the more aggressive US military culture and abroad in Europe.

Their immediate reaction to this statement was, unsurprisingly, despondency for being deemed mentally ill despite having no issues integrating with the rest of military culture. Anyone who works with them can attest to their loyalty to and competency in their duties and patriotism for the US. However, that view was shaken when a single individual left a poorly written Tweet denouncing them and others like them based on no interactions, data, or any form of tangible information beyond plain and presumptuous bigotry.

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Now, despite being in favor of guaranteed public heathcare, I'm not in favor of hormone therapy or sex change operations being included in that package. Doing so is, ultimately, a personal choice if you're uncomfortable in your body, not a mandatory procedure for a life threatening illness.

However, the cheering as--as Lance linked--around 2,450 people potentially lose their jobs that they may have spent a lifetime working towards as a career, strikes me as not only hypocritical from those who cling so hard to the major position of establishing more jobs from our current commander in chief, but downright spiteful. Any proof to demonstrate the fundamental ineffectiveness of trans people in the military is completely absent, and it is childish irrespective of political beliefs to make major decisions like this without any evidence to back one's claim. To say I'm disappointed in the lack of reason on display here is an understatement.

Oh, for the love of God. https://i.redd.it/oljt8iix38cz.jpg -_-

Strongbird said:
On a more personal note, I am acquaintances with a trans person who is presently an active military service member and has been for several years. Based on my interactions with them, they struck me as one of the most calm, rational, and levelheaded soldiers I've ever met, both within the more aggressive US military culture and abroad in Europe.

Their immediate reaction to this statement was, unsurprisingly, despondency for being deemed mentally ill despite having no issues integrating with the rest of military culture. Anyone who works with them can attest to their loyalty to and competency in their duties and patriotism for the US. However, that view was shaken when a single individual left a poorly written Tweet denouncing them and others like them based on no interactions, data, or any form of tangible information beyond plain and presumptuous bigotry.

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Now, despite being in favor of guaranteed public heathcare, I'm not in favor of hormone therapy or sex change operations being included in that package. Doing so is, ultimately, a personal choice if you're uncomfortable in your body, not a mandatory procedure for a life threatening illness.

However, the cheering as--as Lance linked--around 2,450 people potentially lose their jobs that they may have spent a lifetime working towards as a career, strikes me as not only hypocritical from those who cling so hard to the major position of establishing more jobs from our current commander in chief, but downright spiteful. Any proof to demonstrate the fundamental ineffectiveness of trans people in the military is completely absent, and it is childish irrespective of political beliefs to make major decisions like this without any evidence to back one's claim. To say I'm disappointed in the lack of reason on display here is an understatement.

I agree with you.

JoeX said:
Oh, for the love of God. https://i.redd.it/oljt8iix38cz.jpg -_-

"It's hard to know which one is the most important to me at times."

Are you for real? You would seriously consider choosing ice over your own child?

Strongbird said:
On a more personal note, I am acquaintances with a trans person who is presently an active military service member and has been for several years. Based on my interactions with them, they struck me as one of the most calm, rational, and levelheaded soldiers I've ever met, both within the more aggressive US military culture and abroad in Europe.

Their immediate reaction to this statement was, unsurprisingly, despondency for being deemed mentally ill despite having no issues integrating with the rest of military culture. Anyone who works with them can attest to their loyalty to and competency in their duties and patriotism for the US. However, that view was shaken when a single individual left a poorly written Tweet denouncing them and others like them based on no interactions, data, or any form of tangible information beyond plain and presumptuous bigotry.

They sound like a great person but they shouldn't take this as a personal attack or think its bigotry against them.

Now, despite being in favor of guaranteed public heathcare, I'm not in favor of hormone therapy or sex change operations being included in that package. Doing so is, ultimately, a personal choice if you're uncomfortable in your body, not a mandatory procedure for a life threatening illness.

I completely agree.

However, the cheering as--as Lance linked--around 2,450 people potentially lose their jobs that they may have spent a lifetime working towards as a career, strikes me as not only hypocritical from those who cling so hard to the major position of establishing more jobs from our current commander in chief, but downright spiteful.

I kind of doubt they would actually dismiss anyone currently serving doing so would be a huge PR disaster. It would be a better idea to place them in non combat positions and ban others from joining.

Any proof to demonstrate the fundamental ineffectiveness of trans people in the military is completely absent, and it is childish irrespective of political beliefs to make major decisions like this without any evidence to back one's claim. To say I'm disappointed in the lack of reason on display here is an understatement.

They're a liability. You have to think worst case scenario. What if they are undergoing hormone therapy and get stuck in the field without anyway to get treatments for an extended period? How would this effect them mentally? What if they had reassignment surgery and they have complications while in the field? Those are just examples of what could go wrong and not only would they be in danger, it would effect their whole unit.

ThoughtCrime said:
Anyone who doesn't completely buy into my ideology is transphobic. doubleplusgoodthinkful comrade

Saying transgender people shouldn't be in the military because you think they're a "liablility" is transphobic. So is refusing to respect those who identify with non binary genders and their preferred pronouns.

Claiming to support facts and yet ignoring the fact that trans people aren't a liability and convientely ignoring the fact that non binary genders are real because those facts doesn't match up with your argument is hypocritical.

Not to mention when you have no argument all you can say is nonsense like this.

And people like you wonder why you get called "privileged" and "cis/white/male/straight scum".

BlackLicorice said:
Saying transgender people shouldn't be in the military because you think they're a "liablility" is transphobic.

no it isn't.

So is refusing to respect those who identify with non binary genders and their preferred pronouns.

don't have to call them anything other than male or female if you don't want to and doing so is not transphobic or discriminatory.

Claiming to support facts and yet ignoring the fact that trans people aren't a liability and convientely ignoring the fact that non binary genders are real because those facts doesn't match up with your argument is hypocritical.

what, you mean that "XXX chromosome" BS bluedingo went and debunked yesterday?

And people like you wonder why you get called "privileged" and "cis/white/male/straight scum".

no, we don't wonder why, we know it's because people like you think those of us who aren't 100% protransgender are transphobic. and being normal means you're scum? pfft whayever

ThoughtCrime said:
They're a liability. You have to think worst case scenario. What if they are undergoing hormone therapy and get stuck in the field without anyway to get treatments for an extended period? How would this effect them mentally? What if they had reassignment surgery and they have complications while in the field? Those are just examples of what could go wrong and not only would they be in danger, it would effect their whole unit.

Temporary leave or positions that are further from the front lines, like anyone going through therapy or recovering from surgery.

Not every one of them does that. As a furry, you should know all about the vocal minority.

BlackLicorice said:
And people like you wonder why you get called "privileged" and "cis/white/male/straight scum".

I only get called privileged now because it's written next to my username.

treos said:
no it isn't.

Yes it is.

don't have to call them anything other than male or female if you don't want to and doing so is not transphobic or discriminatory.

Refusing to call someone by the pronouns they prefer is plain rude and discriminates against their gender identity. But of course privileged people like you can't see that, as along as you aren't affected, I guess.

what, you mean that "XXX chromosome" BS bluedingo went and debunked yesterday?

Biological sex does not equal gender. There are more than two gender identities because gender is a spectrum where male and female are on the opposite sides and the many non-binary identities are in between.

no, we don't wonder why, we know it's because people like you think those of us who aren't 100% protransgender are transphobic.

Discrimination: "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex."

Saying trans people can't do something simply because they are trans is discrimination. Discriminating against transgender people is -- take a guess -- transphobic!

You know, just like saying black people can't do something just because they're black is racist and saying women can't do something just because they're women is sexist and misogynistic.

But again, privileged people like you aren't affected so of course you don't care and you think it's okay to discriminate against others.

and being normal means you're scum? pfft whayever

Discriminating against others and knowing that you can do so without reciprocation because you are in the majority is what makes you scum.

Already warned y'all about talking about politics, race, etc. This is not the place for it. Now I gotta lock it up.