People who don't get suspense gets on my nerves. My sister once complained that nothing happens in the first half of the movie Alien.

Failure of artists to supply contingency plans for material behind paywalls when they pass away. This consists of two different major ethical issued faced with both the Patreon model and dedicated paywall websites of old:

1) Patreon is often used to gate high-resolution images behind a mandatory minimum monthly subscription fee. However, this can result in those high-resolution images being lost, and people who had previously paid for access are still legally bound not to distribute that material.

The question this obviously raises is 'Why can I not make this material public domain if no one is left to profit off of my regular contributions?' The answer would ideally be that those proceeds go to the friends and family of the affected, but more often than not artists sequester their professional life away from those they hold dear due to the cultural taboo it holds. In the latter case, since no harm can be inflicted by distributing that material, artists should have at least one trusted individual at any given point to give the go-ahead on releasing their lossless portfolio if they ever reach an untimely demise. This way, the artist profits off their material in life and also ensures that their legacy won't be limited to crappy 1280x JPEGs, a format unlikely to remain popular in a few decades' time.

2) Paywall websites offer either a subset of one artist's work for a set fee, or they provide a collection of material from various artists on a subscription basis. The issue here is that, when an artist dies, further proceeds go fully to that corporate entity, a group of people who did not personally put in the time and effort to create that art--only expending trivial money hosting it--nor requires the extra income to survive.

These paysites should be held accountable for profit earned off the backs of the work of others, and the art of the deceased should be released in full-res, lossless PNG format to the public and taken off their site to preserve the dignity and legacy of that individual.

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In my opinion, it is critical that art be preserved and catalogued throughout history, so it pains me when artist do not take one or two days to contemplate and organize how their material will be distributed not only within their lifetime, but after they're dead and gone as well. As morbid a subject as it may be, it's still a crucial element to being a content creator, regardless of which industry you're in.

People who wait until they have completed a transaction before they start to (extremely slowly) put their shopping away at the checkout.

rhyolite said:
People who wait until they have completed a transaction before they start to (extremely slowly) put their shopping away at the checkout.

But it only takes a few seconds. Going for your wares, depending on how the checkout is formed, requires you to go back almost immediately. And you avoid the beeping if you take your card right away.

Balloon Boy

rhyolite said:
People who wait until they have completed a transaction before they start to (extremely slowly) put their shopping away at the checkout.

This reminded me of something that I used to have to deal with a lot when I worked in a pizza joint at a mall's food court. We had a discount for people who worked in the mall, and one of the things that really got on my nerves was the mall employees who came up to you, gave their order, gave their money, and got their change, and only after all this was done they added, "Oh, and by the way I work in the mall."

Seriously? Why couldn't they say that before they gave me their money? Now I have to go through the long drawn-out process of over-ringing the purchase, calling a manager to authorize it, and calculating the discount... and meanwhile there's a long line behind the dipshit who was too fucking scatterbrained to acknowledge that it would make more sense to tell me all this prior to making the purchase. And of course I can't tell them "no," because omfg, that's "bad customer service" and I'd have gotten fired.

Stupid lazy fucks.

ಠ_ಠ losing my PSN account somehow.

i was going to use the media player yesterday (which sony put a lock on with the latest system update. darn control freaks... no psn account, no media player...at all) but after some checking it seems i also got a email for a login id change (which i did not request) so now i can't login. as for the password change, apparently my gmail address is no longer a valid email address (seriously, sony? what are you people doing?).

i'd appreciate it if someone could tell me the tech support address so i can sort this mess out.

darn freaking... i'd make another PSN account but those idiots at sony have things set to where it's 1 account per console. guess this goes to show how smart that idea was, huh?

edit: contact us > contact us

so in other words, sony has no actual "contact us" page. just useless links to things you'd likely never get a proper response from.

"We’d rather talk to you in person as it will let us help you much more quickly and efficiently.
Please use our live chat or phone contact options."

ಠ_ಠ useless

"Unfortunately, PlayStation Chat Support is currently closed at this time. We are open from Monday-Friday 6:00am - 10:00pm PT and Saturday - Sunday 7:00am - 8:00pm PT. In the meantime, you can search in our Knowledge Center for more information or assistance regarding your question. https://support.us.playstation.com"

nope, contact via chat is pointless too...maybe. >.> worst tech support and account setup EVER!

Don't give up on your account. It's such a waste to start a new one.

BlueDingo said:
When people park their trolley in the middle of the escalator instead of parking it to one side. Some of us want to get past.

What? How do you get a massive vehicle of public transportation onto an escalator?

rhyolite said:
People who wait until they have completed a transaction before they start to (extremely slowly) put their shopping away at the checkout.

People who fail to realize that the reason the Cashier has to stop in the speedy checkouts is the fact that there are less bags at them, and they're all already filled up.
If you're taking up more than two bags, you shouldn't be in the speedy in the first place!

Sorrowless said:
Don't give up on your account. It's such a waste to start a new one.

well, yeah...

oh come on... i have to fill out a bunch of info just to use the chat page too? including my name and sign-in id (email) which was changed? you have GOT to be kidding me...

"We were unable to verify your Online ID in our records. Please make sure Online ID is entered correctly.For help creating an account, go here: Create Account
If you are a new user or need more help, send your questions via Twitter to @AskPlayStation " this is for the sign-in id field.

i can't use the chat function for tech support. ಠ_ಠ hpw likely is it that the phone call method would be an automated system?

People who call any rotary cannon a chain gun or minigun.

The term chain gun is almost universally used wrong and that triggers me to high heaven, I swear.

Furrin_Gok said:
What? How do you get a massive vehicle of public transportation onto an escalator?

I think BlueDingo is referring to a rolling suitcase. Sometimes they're called trolleys.

Furrin_Gok said:
What? How do you get a massive vehicle of public transportation onto an escalator?

I was referring to a shopping trolley. I think americans call them shopping carts. You wouldn't be able to get a tram (which is what you're referring to) into the building, let alone fit it onto an escalator.

Fenrick said:
People who call any rotary cannon a chain gun or minigun.

The term chain gun is almost universally used wrong and that triggers me to high heaven, I swear.

Someone should invent a gun that shoots chains at people.

My train arriving about 20-30 minutes early for my departure but arriving over an hour late for my stop.

Like, what?

3 in a row

and the support people direct you to a phone number which may or may not (i'll be calling it soon) redirect you to the support chat page. ty, PSN forum support people. you just showed how useless you are.

huge company = shit tech support

well...in some cases.

edit: unbelievable...

automated message: "estimated wait time is 30 minutes"

with occasional ad messages...

this. is. BULLSHIT!

edit: wth? now things are even WORSE. my sign-in id seems to be fine but every time i try to login in sends me a password change email that won't work. and account.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com has the sign-in id field grayed out so i can't type my email in to even try logging in. logging in on the forum is what keeps giving the password change BS and trying to login on my console keeps giving a Error code CE-35287-5 yet the servers are all fine for PSN, all green.

just what the heck is going on here?

edit2: whatever. i'll try again tomorrow.

Damn. Xbox support was a much friendlier and easier to me.

BlueDingo said:
Someone should invent a gun that shoots chains at people.

BEHOLD

Kavellrist said:
BEHOLD

It's fucking beautiful.

And the idiot downstairs just threw another tantrum. Shook the whole building again slamming things around.

What scares me is he seems to hear things that aren't actually real, and if he becomes violent as a result, I or my neighbors could end up getting hurt.

Motherfucker doesn't belong in an apartment.

InannaEloah said:
And the idiot downstairs just threw another tantrum. Shook the whole building again slamming things around.

What scares me is he seems to hear things that aren't actually real, and if he becomes violent as a result, I or my neighbors could end up getting hurt.

Motherfucker doesn't belong in an apartment.

Maybe you should go to the landlord/strata/whatever and see what you can do about it.

InannaEloah said:
And the idiot downstairs just threw another tantrum. Shook the whole building again slamming things around.

What scares me is he seems to hear things that aren't actually real, and if he becomes violent as a result, I or my neighbors could end up getting hurt.

Motherfucker doesn't belong in an apartment.

That's a bit scary. Call your landlord.

HypnoBitch said:
That's a bit scary. Call your landlord.

I reported him yesterday.

Schizophrenia?

Sorrowless said:
Schizophrenia?

No, I'm thinking drugs actually. Meth, specifically. I used to know a guy who had done meth in his younger years, and he told me some of the symptoms, part of which included paranoia, hallucinations, and other such similar shit to what this guy's doing.

Also, there've been a couple times when I've been awake in the middle of the night and found a strong smell of ammonia, which of course is used in the making of meth. I've also been suffering from some symptoms as well that are associated with it.

So even though I've contacted management already for noise complaints, I'm going to contact them again tomorrow (it's almost 11:30 PM here, so needless to say they're not open).

InannaEloah said:
No, I'm thinking drugs actually. Meth, specifically. I used to know a guy who had done meth in his younger years, and he told me some of the symptoms, part of which included paranoia, hallucinations, and other such similar shit to what this guy's doing.

Also, there've been a couple times when I've been awake in the middle of the night and found a strong smell of ammonia, which of course is used in the making of meth. I've also been suffering from some symptoms as well that are associated with it.

So even though I've contacted management already for noise complaints, I'm going to contact them again tomorrow (it's almost 11:30 PM here, so needless to say they're not open).

yikes, good luck with that. :/

and on my PSN account issue... i just woke up, and went to check my account via my PS4 first thing and it looks like everything is now back in working order. :) i guess there was probably just some technical issues after i got done with the tech support guy yesterday (figured there was when i couldn't type the email into the sign-in id field on the website or login on the PS4 itself). so my account has been saved successfully.

treos said:
yikes, good luck with that. :/

and on my PSN account issue... i just woke up, and went to check my account via my PS4 first thing and it looks like everything is now back in working order. :) i guess there was probably just some technical issues after i got done with the tech support guy yesterday (figured there was when i couldn't type the email into the sign-in id field on the website or login on the PS4 itself). so my account has been saved successfully.

Horay! Your legacy is saved.

treos said:
yikes, good luck with that. :/

Thank you, though I've decided against reporting him immediately. I have only slight bits of evidence, and am not confident in my own abilities to judge the situation properly. I don't want to end up finding out that I falsely accused him if he's not involved in such things.

Plus, the building has a cracked foundation and the symptoms could very well be sick building syndrome, there's lots of shifting going on all the time, the floors are uneven, and there are large cracks in some of the walls. The guy who lived in the downstairs apartment before the one who lives there now had to move out because there was black mold in there and management had to send a bunch of people in there to get rid of it. It could be that the coughing on my part is simply from that.

Also, quite a large portion of this problem of mine might be psychological in nature. You see, my parents were abusive to me, and any time I accomplished anything that would empower me to rise above my station in life, my parents would retaliate by overtly punishing me or by covertly sabotaging my accomplishments (my mother actually told me that she did this throughout my life back in 2011 when I caught her in the act - said she was doing it for my "protection"). In any case, though, I did develop a habit of sabotaging my own accomplishments over the years and the paranoia as well as possibly some of the physical symptoms I've been suffering with might have actually been the result of my subconscious mind trying to sabotage my recent accomplishment of saving money and actually being a working artist, all in an attempt to protect me from the shit my parents used to do to me. I know it's irrational, but the subconscious mind isn't always rational, or so I've read.

So anyway, I'm going to hold off on reporting the guy. I'm not convinced that the evidence that I have is enough to make such a claim as the one I was going to make, and I have plenty of reason to believe that a large amount of my problems with this guy are my own subconscious mind trying to sabotage my accomplishments so as to protect me from abusive parents who live 2,000 miles away and don't even know where I live.

Cub Fuckers.

ViperX20 said:
Cub Fuckers.

Kink bashing.

ViperX20 said:
Cub Fuckers.

careful, starting a fuss over that topic likely won't end well.

FoxFourOhFour said:
Kink bashing.

treos said:
careful, starting a fuss over that topic likely won't end well.

You know, he could referring to people who actually fuck cubs. Then again, his comments suggest he may have some... issues.

BlueDingo said:
You know, he could referring to people who actually fuck cubs. Then again, his comments suggest he may have some... issues.

That was a good read.

BlueDingo said:
You know, he could referring to people who actually fuck cubs. Then again, his comments suggest he may have some... issues.

i've seen...worse here. though that doesn't mean i approve of these comments of course.

When SFM users somehow get private models, but don't elaborate on how or what conditions were met to make them so damn special enough to get them.

Skyrim's idea of "crime" which includes, among other things, getting a bounty for "stealing" when you put items INTO a barrel that is marked "steal from."

The idea of "Stealing" is that you are TAKING items that don't belong to you. Putting an item that already does belong to you INTO a barrel does NOT count as stealing in the real world.

But then again, shooting an arrow and having some noble idiot run in front of it during a heated battle sequence isn't considered "assault" in the real world either, so I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised. It doesn't change the fact that it's complete bullshit, though. Getting a bounty for stealing when all I did was take stuff out of my inventory and put it into an empty barrel... fuck you Bethesda.

Oh, and let's not forget how dropping all those items that are weighing me down is considered "littering" and gets me a 5 gold bounty. Fucking morons who make these games...

I think one of the things that has been irritating me the most as of lately is how my workplace is such a non-hostile place to the point that I can't even talk about "The Orange One" (aka Donald Trump) without being shot down by some guy who thinks that I'm being hostile. Fuck that. If we're not doing anything, then let's politically throw-down. I love a good debate.

[:nk]Fight me fgot.

_{^{+10 points to whoever knows what I typed above means...}}

InannaEloah said:
Skyrim's idea of "crime" which includes, among other things, getting a bounty for "stealing" when you put items INTO a barrel that is marked "steal from."

The idea of "Stealing" is that you are TAKING items that don't belong to you. Putting an item that already does belong to you INTO a barrel does NOT count as stealing in the real world.

But then again, shooting an arrow and having some noble idiot run in front of it during a heated battle sequence isn't considered "assault" in the real world either, so I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised. It doesn't change the fact that it's complete bullshit, though. Getting a bounty for stealing when all I did was take stuff out of my inventory and put it into an empty barrel... fuck you Bethesda.

Oh, and let's not forget how dropping all those items that are weighing me down is considered "littering" and gets me a 5 gold bounty. Fucking morons who make these games...

Depositing your load in someone else's vessel without their consent is a serious crime.

BlueDingo said:
Depositing your load in someone else's vessel without their consent is a serious crime.

well, that's one way of putting it.

InannaEloah said:
Skyrim's idea of "crime" which includes, among other things, getting a bounty for "stealing" when you put items INTO a barrel that is marked "steal from."

The idea of "Stealing" is that you are TAKING items that don't belong to you. Putting an item that already does belong to you INTO a barrel does NOT count as stealing in the real world.

But then again, shooting an arrow and having some noble idiot run in front of it during a heated battle sequence isn't considered "assault" in the real world either, so I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised. It doesn't change the fact that it's complete bullshit, though. Getting a bounty for stealing when all I did was take stuff out of my inventory and put it into an empty barrel... fuck you Bethesda.

Oh, and let's not forget how dropping all those items that are weighing me down is considered "littering" and gets me a 5 gold bounty. Fucking morons who make these games...

Littering? Since when? You sure that isn't a mod?

Furrin_Gok said:
Littering? Since when? You sure that isn't a mod?

iirc a nearby guard and/or NPC would ask if you dropped something if you dropped items nearby sometimes though i don't remember ever getting fined for that.

Furrin_Gok said:
Littering? Since when? You sure that isn't a mod?

No, it isn't a mod. It's an actual part of the game. I had a huge load of armor and stuff and nowhere to put it so I just dropped it in the streets in Whiterun. Next thing I know, a guard chews me out, tells me to pick it up, and I refuse because if I pick it all back up I won't be able to get where I'm going and all the places I could sell it nearby are out of money, so he tacks on a 5 gold bounty.

I like being fined for littering... serves you right.

Speaking of Elder Scrolls I hated how most of my stuff were confiscated if I were arrested in Morrowind. How do the guards from a town far away know that looted the stuff from caves and bandits and occationally from people's homes.

I used to be extreme with picking up and selling everything I could get my hands on...

My 27-year-old brother pisses me off because he seems to have the mentality of an eight year old.

He doesn't like vegetables, he constantly asks for help when playing video games, he doesn't like to take his time in said video games, he complains when he isn't doing as well as me in said video games because of the fact that he doesn't like to take his time, he thinks he knows everything, he doesn't always listen to the advice he gets, and he usually flies off the handle when he doesn't get his way.

It also doesn't help that his sense of "humor" consists of loosely based threats of violence like "I'm gonna punch you in the throat". He keeps pulling that throat shit even after I told him to stop several times already and it makes me wanna punch him in the throat for real.

He's 27 and I'm 22, yet it feels like I'm the more mature sibling.

InannaEloah said:
No, it isn't a mod. It's an actual part of the game. I had a huge load of armor and stuff and nowhere to put it so I just dropped it in the streets in Whiterun. Next thing I know, a guard chews me out, tells me to pick it up, and I refuse because if I pick it all back up I won't be able to get where I'm going and all the places I could sell it nearby are out of money, so he tacks on a 5 gold bounty.

Considering it was Whiterun, You sure it wasn't imperial items you dropped? They don't take too kindly to that.

Chameloshi said:
My 27-year-old brother pisses me off because he seems to have the mentality of an eight year old.

He doesn't like vegetables, he constantly asks for help when playing video games, he doesn't like to take his time in said video games, he complains when he isn't doing as well as me in said video games because of the fact that he doesn't like to take his time, he thinks he knows everything, he doesn't always listen to the advice he gets, and he usually flies off the handle when he doesn't get his way.

It also doesn't help that his sense of "humor" consists of loosely based threats of violence like "I'm gonna punch you in the throat". He keeps pulling that throat shit even after I told him to stop several times already and it makes me wanna punch him in the throat for real.

He's 27 and I'm 22, yet it feels like I'm the more mature sibling.

My step-father is 76 years old and he still does shit like that.

And if he fucks something up in a computer game it's not only the computer's fault instead of his, but a big grand conspiracy to piss him off.

I was more mature at 4 years old than he is now. And my mother wonders why we don't get along... *eyeroll*

InannaEloah said:
No, it isn't a mod. It's an actual part of the game. I had a huge load of armor and stuff and nowhere to put it so I just dropped it in the streets in Whiterun. Next thing I know, a guard chews me out, tells me to pick it up, and I refuse because if I pick it all back up I won't be able to get where I'm going and all the places I could sell it nearby are out of money, so he tacks on a 5 gold bounty.

I thought they just forced it back on to you. Maybe they realized some were stolen, or

FoxFourOhFour said:
Considering it was Whiterun, You sure it wasn't imperial items you dropped? They don't take too kindly to that.

That may be another possibility. Do they actually harass you over that?
Are we talking about old Skyrim or the Enhanced one? Never played the latter, and it's been a while since the former.

Furrin_Gok said:
I thought they just forced it back on to you. Maybe they realized some were stolen, or
That may be another possibility. Do they actually harass you over that?
Are we talking about old Skyrim or the Enhanced one? Never played the latter, and it's been a while since the former.

The former. I don't really give much thought to the remake when my current build, Mods inclus, Loks and performs better than the SSE for the most part. :P

Hell, Some NPCs will even react favorably to dropped suits of armor and might even approach you to ask if it's okay to have it. :P Try dropping stormcloak armor near anyone with.. Favorable leanings towards that faction.

i wonder if anyone might ever make a skyrim mod that lets you craft custom spells.

ಠ_ಠ then those of us who dislike the racism could craft magical nukes and wipe Ulfric Stormcloak AND his whole capital city off the map (or at least all the people in it). just like i would sometimes do in morrowind.

o_O save up like 100k+ then max the range and damage on a projectile spell with all damage types (fire, ice, lightning, poison, pain...that's one helluva painful combination to get blindsided with i bet.) and throw it at say...vivec from several miles away. those poor people wouldn't know what happened till it's too late.

treos said:
i wonder if anyone might ever make a skyrim mod that lets you craft custom spells.

ಠ_ಠ then those of us who dislike the racism could craft magical nukes and wipe Ulfric Stormcloak AND his whole capital city off the map (or at least all the people in it). just like i would sometimes do in morrowind.

"Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are rayciss!"

*conveniently ignores the fact that you can join and advance to the highest echelons of the Stormcloaks as a non-Nord*

*conveniently ignores the fact that ACTUAL FUCKING RACIAL SUPREMACISTS (the Thalmor) are more or less dictating policy to the Imperials*

Skyrim belongs to the Nords, Talos is a god, and Ulfric did nothing wrong. Go lick Thalmor boots some more.

Chameloshi said:
He's 27 and I'm 22, yet it feels like I'm the more mature sibling.

Some brother you have. Not being able to figure out things yourself is not a quality I look up to. Why do you stick around and even help him? I don't like the idea of giving relatives special treatment just because of the invisible bond between you. It's tribalistic.

Sorrowless said:
Some brother you have. Not being able to figure out things yourself is not a quality I look up to. Why do you stick around and even help him? I don't like the idea of giving relatives special treatment just because of the invisible bond between you. It's tribalistic.

I figured it would have gone without saying that somebody's being immature is not always grounds to completely alienate yourself from them. It is not tribalistic to [edit]not go and remove yourself from the life of a person who you've known your entire life and will almost certainly continue to spend time around for many years at the very least.

Sorrowless said:
Some brother you have. Not being able to figure out things yourself is not a quality I look up to. Why do you stick around and even help him? I don't like the idea of giving relatives special treatment just because of the invisible bond between you. It's tribalistic.

Well, I'm pretty much stuck with him since he got himself into some pretty big trouble that doesn't allow him to live on his own (what he did to get there is something I can't discuss), so all I'm doing is putting up with him. He does help around the house with a job and being another working hand, so that's another reason I don't want him to leave. And he can figure out things himself, he's just too lazy to try and do it in video games.

Fenrick said:
I figured it would have gone without saying that somebody's being immature is not always grounds to completely alienate yourself from them. It is not tribalistic to try and remove yourself from the life of a person who you've known your entire life and will almost certainly continue to spend time around for many years at the very least.

I agree with this, his attitude and actions are not good enough reason for me to shun him outright. He may be irritating, but he's still my brother and part of the family. And I'm not the only one who puts up with him, so I'm not alone in this.

When people tag colours on images that have hardly any colour at all.

post #802315

That is not black_and_white (it's purple_and_white) and doesn't have blonde_hair yet both were tagged (before I removed them).

In general, if I search black_and_white, I shouldn't see any colour besides black and white and maybe a tiny bit of grey for anti-aliasing and very thin lines unless it's multiple_images or something. Searching black_and_white with a hair or fur color besides black or white reveals several mistags.

I get angry when I'm at work, trying to do my job, and my coworker wont shut and keeps talking.

Eden_of_Time said:
I get angry when I'm at work, trying to do my job, and my coworker wont shut and keeps talking.

I know that feeling. Got a coworker, let's call her Dawn, who absolutely does not know the meaning of "shut the fuck up". She's not overly disagreeable otherwise, but my god the woman has fucking diarrhea of the mouth.

treos said:
i wonder if anyone might ever make a skyrim mod that lets you craft custom spells.

ಠ_ಠ then those of us who dislike the racism could craft magical nukes and wipe Ulfric Stormcloak AND his whole capital city off the map (or at least all the people in it). just like i would sometimes do in morrowind.

A Fatman mod. *grins*

Fenrick said:
I figured it would have gone without saying that somebody's being immature is not always grounds to completely alienate yourself from them. It is not tribalistic to [edit]not go and remove yourself from the life of a person who you've known your entire life and will almost certainly continue to spend time around for many years at the very least.

I'm not saying you should alienate. Just that I don't like to idea of giving someone special treatment just because your genes are more similar.

Sorrowless said:
I'm not saying you should alienate. Just that I don't like to idea of giving someone special treatment just because your genes are more similar.

That is almost never the only thing siblings have in common

Actually, the more I think about it, you know what makes me mad?

Not so much the whole "STORMCLOAKS IS RAYCISS" shit, because I've heard that so fucking often before that it's just so much fucking pointless crap.

No, it's the whole "STORMCLOAKS IS RAYCISS SO I WANT TO KILL EVERYONE IN WINDHELM LOL THAT WILL SHOW THEM."

There are, like, 2 fucking NPCs in Windhelm who are genuinely fucking racist. There are also a bunch of Dunmer, a smattering of other non-Nord races, and quite a few Nords who really just want the Thalmor and their Imperial lapdogs to fuck off already.

If you want to be a virtual mass-murderer, fine. I don't really care. God knows I've done plenty of that in better games than Skyrim. But don't cloak your murderous bent in some kind of gormless attempt at virtue-signaling how NOT-RACIST you are. You might think you look like a real swell person, but I assure you that image does not project outwards quite as well as you think it does.

This obviously goes double - nay, triple - nay, QUADRUPLE for any REMOTELY similar situation involving real life. (Punching "nazis" might make you feel like a real big person, but I assure you that in actuality it reduces you to a fucking insignificant speck of a person, the kind of speck that most intelligent people wouldn't think twice about stepping on.)

YouWereNeverMyFriend said:
Actually, the more I think about it, you know what makes me mad?

Not so much the whole "STORMCLOAKS IS RAYCISS" shit, because I've heard that so fucking often before that it's just so much fucking pointless crap.

No, it's the whole "STORMCLOAKS IS RAYCISS SO I WANT TO KILL EVERYONE IN WINDHELM LOL THAT WILL SHOW THEM."

There are, like, 2 fucking NPCs in Windhelm who are genuinely fucking racist. There are also a bunch of Dunmer, a smattering of other non-Nord races, and quite a few Nords who really just want the Thalmor and their Imperial lapdogs to fuck off already.

If you want to be a virtual mass-murderer, fine. I don't really care. God knows I've done plenty of that in better games than Skyrim. But don't cloak your murderous bent in some kind of gormless attempt at virtue-signaling how NOT-RACIST you are. You might think you look like a real swell person, but I assure you that image does not project outwards quite as well as you think it does.

This obviously goes double - nay, triple - nay, QUADRUPLE for any REMOTELY similar situation involving real life. (Punching "nazis" might make you feel like a real big person, but I assure you that in actuality it reduces you to a fucking insignificant speck of a person, the kind of speck that most intelligent people wouldn't think twice about stepping on.)

My reason for being against them is twofold.

1. Ulfric's duel was against an ally, so Ulfric is showing that he has no interest in the cause itself. Just power.

2. (and this is also why I won't join the Imperials either) Neither side is smart enough to realize this is exactly what the Thalmor wanted. No. MORE than what the Thalmor wanted. Both sides are so stupid they can't tell they are both actively sabotaging their own goals every time they try to push them forward.

If you ask me, both Tullius and Ulfric are irresponsible and are entirely at fault for the inevitable defeat of Tamriel to the Thalmor. Should everyone else be killed as the Thalmor invade, may they both be spared and forced to watch as long as age permits.

kamimatsu said:
My reason for being against them is twofold.

1. Ulfric's duel was against an ally, so Ulfric is showing that he has no interest in the cause itself. Just power.

2. (and this is also why I won't join the Imperials either) Neither side is smart enough to realize this is exactly what the Thalmor wanted. No. MORE than what the Thalmor wanted. Both sides are so stupid they can't tell they are both actively sabotaging their own goals every time they try to push them forward.

If you ask me, both Tullius and Ulfric are irresponsible and are entirely at fault for the inevitable defeat of Tamriel to the Thalmor. Should everyone else be killed as the Thalmor invade, may they both be spared and forced to watch as long as age permits.

Calling Torygg an ally simply because he sympathized with Ulfric's sentiments somewhat is necessarily a mistake. Was Ulfric power-hungry? Yes. Power is what is needed to effect change. To call Ulfric power-hungry is to both state the obvious and miss the point entirely. Torygg may have continued to entertain the notion of letting Ulfric continue to speak without cutting his fucking head off because he had a modicum of respect for Ulfric's sheer ballsiness, but there is absolutely no guarantee that Torygg would have ever actually been persuaded to abandon the failing Empire. Also keep in mind that Ulfric DID NOT HAVE THE FUCKING TIME to sit around and chat with Torygg for however long it took in order to stir him to the desired course of action.

Tamriel was already lost to the Thalmor, frankly. Ulfric was just the kind of person who would rather die on his feet standing against them and their blatant insult to all of the races of man in the form of purging Talos from the Divines, than live on his knees in front of them.

I don't think enough people who play Skyrim actually realize that one point there, by the way: THE THALMOR HAVE ALREADY FUCKING WON. The Thalmor are ABSURDLY powerful, and they chose a time to rise to power in which NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY OPPOSE THEM. The only credible threat in Tamriel to their utter dominion by the time Skyrim takes place are the Argonians, and that's simply because The Black Marsh would be ridiculously difficult to fucking subjugate due to its incredibly hostile climate and geography, even for a group of borderline-demigod Altmer wizards and their Bosmeri lackeys. Nota bene that even the Empire never really fully cracked the nut known as the Black Marsh.

At this point in the story, unless Bethesda pulls another "LOL DRAGON BREAK GUISE" stunt, the only OTHER credible threat to the Thalmor would probably come from Akavir. The Akaviri races are some badass motherfuckers. It should be noted, however, that if the Akaviri did stroll in and decide to give the Thalmor an asskicking, that would necessarily mean that the Akaviri would be in charge of Tamriel, and the Akaviri make the Thalmor look downright fucking benevolent.

EDIT: No, wait, there is one more possibility. Some chucklefuck manages to rediscover Numidium and gets it to wish the Thalmor out of fucking existence. That would be such an immense asspull that I don't even think that shitheel Todd Howard would rubberstamp it.

EDIT 2: Actually, I take that back. Todd Howard would absolutely approve that.

People who think that the cure for hate is more hate, or who blame long-standing human conditions such as racism on one convenient target whose rise to power is only a symptom, because heaven forbid we should ever acknowledge that human beings are racists... nah, just blame the Guy With The Orange Hair.

YouWereNeverMyFriend said:
Calling Torygg an ally simply because he sympathized with Ulfric's sentiments somewhat is necessarily a mistake. Was Ulfric power-hungry? Yes. Power is what is needed to effect change. To call Ulfric power-hungry is to both state the obvious and miss the point entirely. Torygg may have continued to entertain the notion of letting Ulfric continue to speak without cutting his fucking head off because he had a modicum of respect for Ulfric's sheer ballsiness, but there is absolutely no guarantee that Torygg would have ever actually been persuaded to abandon the failing Empire. Also keep in mind that Ulfric DID NOT HAVE THE FUCKING TIME to sit around and chat with Torygg for however long it took in order to stir him to the desired course of action.

Tamriel was already lost to the Thalmor, frankly. Ulfric was just the kind of person who would rather die on his feet standing against them and their blatant insult to all of the races of man in the form of purging Talos from the Divines, than live on his knees in front of them.

I don't think enough people who play Skyrim actually realize that one point there, by the way: THE THALMOR HAVE ALREADY FUCKING WON. The Thalmor are ABSURDLY powerful, and they chose a time to rise to power in which NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY OPPOSE THEM. The only credible threat in Tamriel to their utter dominion by the time Skyrim takes place are the Argonians, and that's simply because The Black Marsh would be ridiculously difficult to fucking subjugate due to its incredibly hostile climate and geography, even for a group of borderline-demigod Altmer wizards and their Bosmeri lackeys. Nota bene that even the Empire never really fully cracked the nut known as the Black Marsh.

At this point in the story, unless Bethesda pulls another "LOL DRAGON BREAK GUISE" stunt, the only OTHER credible threat to the Thalmor would probably come from Akavir. The Akaviri races are some badass motherfuckers. It should be noted, however, that if the Akaviri did stroll in and decide to give the Thalmor an asskicking, that would necessarily mean that the Akaviri would be in charge of Tamriel, and the Akaviri make the Thalmor look downright fucking benevolent.

EDIT: No, wait, there is one more possibility. Some chucklefuck manages to rediscover Numidium and gets it to wish the Thalmor out of fucking existence. That would be such an immense asspull that I don't even think that shitheel Todd Howard would rubberstamp it.

EDIT 2: Actually, I take that back. Todd Howard would absolutely approve that.

The Empire could be strong enough to fight the Thalmor with Nordic men fighting for them. The Empire hates the Thalmor just as much as the Stormcloaks, they're just playing smart instead of acting impulsively. That's the Nords' whole deal. They have their hearts in the right place and are unfairly treated, but they put their hearts ahead of their minds. I do agree with a lot of the Stormcloak ideology and I hate to be the one to snuff out their flame, but at the end of the day a unified empire is almost certainly the best option.

Thalmor world domination is certainly not a foregone conclusion. They're stated to not have a very strong military. They fight with espionage and surprise attacks, not overwhelming force. But those don't work forever when it comes to long-term conquest.

At the end of the day, though, no matter which side you pick, the Thalmor lose in the short term, because their stated goal is not to support Ulfric, but to keep the war ongoing as long as possible (this is why they helped him, not because a stormcloak victory is convenient for them). Presumably a Stormcloak-controlled Skyrim still wouldn't sit idly by if the Empire were conquered by the Thalmor, anyway.

InannaEloah said:
People who think that the cure for hate is more hate, or who blame long-standing human conditions such as racism on one convenient target whose rise to power is only a symptom, because heaven forbid we should ever acknowledge that human beings are racists... nah, just blame the Guy With The Orange Hair.

Yup. We all have some degree of racism and that's ok.

treos said:
i wonder if anyone might ever make a skyrim mod that lets you craft custom spells.

Yes, they did.

Furrin_Gok said:
Yes, they did.

Jump spells, huh. I dunno if it can compare to vanilla Oblivion's +100 Acrobatics x10.

Fenrick said:
Jump spells, huh. I dunno if it can compare to vanilla Oblivion's +100 Acrobatics x10.

Personally, I like Morrowind's +1000 Acrobatics x3.

I can't find anything on Oblivion's? What exactly is +100 acrobatics x10?

Furrin_Gok said:
Personally, I like Morrowind's +1000 Acrobatics x3.

I can't find anything on Oblivion's? What exactly is +100 acrobatics x10?

Doesn't a guy in Morrowind use a scroll that does that and fall to his death? You can loot the scroll and using it can cause you to jump high enough to fall to your death. The words translate to "From the Earth to the Aether and back".

ugh... yes, it really is THAT easy to get a debate about skyrim started.

skyrim and the world it takes place in is FULL of racism EVERYWHERE. that is a FACT.

and as we all know, facts are bad so pointing it out automatically means a debate/argument/etc. will happen.

There should have been an ending in Skyrim where you get to destroy the Thalmor, because Skyrim only has two different paths you can choose, while Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 have four possible paths each.

That being said, these games should have two more endings, a "peace between all factions" ending and a "kill absolutely everyone" ending.

treos said:
ugh... yes, it really is THAT easy to get a debate about skyrim started.

skyrim and the world it takes place in is FULL of racism EVERYWHERE. that is a FACT.

and as we all know, facts are bad so pointing it out automatically means a debate/argument/etc. will happen.

Wait wait wait. Wanting to preserve your own culture and telling immigrants to your country/province/whatever to either assimilate or go elsewhere is racist now?

Kavellrist said:
Wait wait wait. Wanting to preserve your own culture and telling immigrants to your country/province/whatever to either assimilate or go elsewhere is racist now?

Apparently it is if you're french, swedish or german.

BlueDingo said:
Apparently it is if you're french, swedish or german.

Or American.

Not easy being moderately racist these days.

YouWereNeverMyFriend said:
Wait wait wait. Wanting to preserve your own culture and telling immigrants to your country/province/whatever to either assimilate or go elsewhere is racist now?

There is a difference between adapting and conforming. After all, my country is based entirely on immigrant culture, what with its founding fathers technically being immigrants.

Chameloshi said:
There should have been an ending in Skyrim where you get to destroy the Thalmor, because Skyrim only has two different paths you can choose, while Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 have four possible paths each.

That being said, these games should have two more endings, a "peace between all factions" ending and a "kill absolutely everyone" ending.

You can actually call a truce between them if you get far enough in the main quest without joining either side. The negotiation takes into account what you allow and who you side with in each argument, and if you get it even enough, the truce is established in order to pool resources to fight the only bigger threat than the Thalmor.

Also the Thalmor are there, but they see it as a means to an end. You can choose to not include them in the meeting.