I feel the furgonomics terminology needs to be expanded a bit. Currently only furry-specific piercings and tail clothing have their own tags (and imply furgonomics) while digitigrade footwear, headwear with ear/horn holes, etc. don't have tags yet.

post #1086290post #979648post #1078615post #1139264

How should we handle these, create descriptive tags for each or a set of more generic furgonomic_* tags? Simply searching something like furgonomics footwear leads to many results not containing the furgonomic thing of choice.

Temp sets with other examples:

• set:furgo_armor
• set:furgo_clothing
• set:furgo_footwear
• set:furgo_headwear

Another problem is that its hard to wear headphones when your ears are on the top of your head. Not very furgonomic i would say

Furrykitten34 said:
Another problem is that its hard to wear headphones when your ears are on the top of your head. Not very furgonomic i would say

seconded!!!!

@Furrykitten34, Htess:
post #1024646

How should we handle these, create descriptive tags for each or a set of more generic furgonomic_* tags?

Well if I were to search for an image, the likely terms would be:
1. headwear (armored or not) with ear holes
2. tail-specific features like prominent tailholes.
3. headphones near creature's ears, see image above
4. uhm
5. erm
6. footwear maybe if it's weird enough to notice

So I would rather keep dedicated tags for 1, 2 and 6, and dump everything else into furgonomics. I don't think I would ever search furgo_armor instead of "tailhole armor" or "earholes armor".

hslugs said:
@Furrykitten34, Htess:
post #1024646

Well if I were to search for an image, the likely terms would be:
1. headwear (armored or not) with ear holes
2. tail-specific features like prominent tailholes.
3. headphones near creature's ears, see image above
4. uhm
5. erm
6. footwear maybe if it's weird enough to notice

So I would rather keep dedicated tags for 1, 2 and 6, and dump everything else into furgonomics. I don't think I would ever search furgo_armor instead of "tailhole armor" or "earholes armor".

Bear in mind that those furgo_* search terms are the short names of temporary sets created to show more examples of what I'm talking about. They're not tag name suggestions.

BlueDingo said:
Bear in mind that those furgo_* search terms are the short names of temporary sets created to show more examples of what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I got that. The point is that I would more likely search for particular memorable features of clothing (or armor) like earholes, tailholes, or maybe the tail pant thingy. And not just for the fact that the clothing was furgonomic.

That is one way to handle it, but which terms do you use? tailhole is currently aliased to anus due to the way people used it, and unaliasing it might end up bringing that old issue back. earholes may be misinterpreted for holes in a character's ear (be it a flesh tunnel or the one leading to their eardrum).

Something like multi_arm_clothing or digitigrade_footwear might work. There are some preexisting tags that may be related to this (eg. animal_hat) that will need to be looked at as well.

BlueDingo said:
That is one way to handle it, but which terms do you use?

Good question. I didn't even check what tailhole is being used for. Current tail_clothing is probably ok, my only concern is that it may be taken to mean only 2 and 3, as opposed to 1, 2 and maybe 3 here:

post #222881 post #123699 post #309960

Doesn't seem to be a problem in practice, tail_clothing gets used for the hole-only design quite often.

For the headwear, ear_holes maybe? Except it's not always holes.

post #1146538 post #831837

Then again, maybe keep ear_holes for actual holes and tag rare stuff like that with generic furgonomics.

Footwear is difficult. The most memorable ones imo aren't even digitigrade, but unguligrade.

post #904160 post #659880

id be careful of using any form of ear holes as a new tag, as the singular form is actually used for animals that dont have external ears and only have a visible hole in the side of the head to the eardrum.

earhole

hslugs said:
Good question. I didn't even check what tailhole is being used for. Current tail_clothing is probably ok, my only concern is that it may be taken to mean only 2 and 3, as opposed to 1, 2 and maybe 3 here:

post #222881 post #123699 post #309960

Doesn't seem to be a problem in practice, tail_clothing gets used for the hole-only design quite often.

Example 3 has a more specific tag for it: tail_warmer. I think tail_button_bottoms is supposed to cover example 1. Would something like tail_sleeve work for example 2?

tail_band (example 2), tail_ring and other tail-based objects should imply furgonomics, or possibly tail_accessory then furgonomics.

BlueDingo said:
Example 3 has a more specific tag for it: tail_warmer.

Well yeah, actually I think that image maybe shouldn't be tagged tail_clothing at all, only tail_warmer.

How will users understand and use tail_clothing? Pants designed to accommodate tail by any means including a simple hole (1), or pants at least partially covering tail (2), or any piece of clothing covering tail even if it's not pants (3)? I'd rather have it as (1) and (2) but not (3).

tail_sleeve sounds like a good idea for (2) and similar designs. I had no idea tail_button_bottoms exists, and probably wouldn't use it for (1) because there's no buttons there. Looks like just a hole.

tail_accessory sounds good for bands, but I'm not sure it should imply furgonomics. Bands are just bands. Piercings too btw. Furry or not, piercings are often anti-ergonomic.

hslugs said:
Well yeah, actually I think that image maybe shouldn't be tagged tail_clothing at all, only tail_warmer.

Then again, arm_warmers and leg_warmers are currently considered clothing. I'd say tail warmers are as much clothing as those two.[/quote]

hslugs said:
How will users understand and use tail_clothing? Pants designed to accommodate tail by any means including a simple hole (1), or pants at least partially covering tail (2), or any piece of clothing covering tail even if it's not pants (3)? I'd rather have it as (1) and (2) but not (3).

At the moment, it's used for any clothing designed to cover or accommodate a tail. That covers all three of those.

hslugs said:
tail_sleeve sounds like a good idea for (2) and similar designs. I had no idea tail_button_bottoms exists, and probably wouldn't use it for (1) because there's no buttons there. Looks like just a hole.

tailhole_bottoms may be more accurate, but that might run into the "tailhole = anus" problem.

hslugs said:
tail_accessory sounds good for bands, but I'm not sure it should imply furgonomics. Bands are just bands. Piercings too btw. Furry or not, piercings are often anti-ergonomic.

True, but the furgonomics tag in general doesn't really relate to ergonomics, which is the study of people's efficiency in their working environment.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ergonomics

1
: an applied science concerned with designing and arranging things people use so that the people and things interact most efficiently and safely —called also biotechnology, human engineering, human factors
2
: the design characteristics of an object resulting especially from the application of the science of ergonomics

"Furgonomics" implies to me that human-styled clothing or technology has been altered for furry-specific anatomy and therefore convenience, comfort, or efficiency.

Examples from my artwork:

• post #956402 Bikini bottom for centaur body shape
• post #1099875 Underwear wraps around tail
• post #1099944 Hoodie accounts for antlers

Examples from my imagination:

• Shirts or coats that account for wings
• A computer that can be used by a harpy or wyvern
• A car that can be driven by a lamia or mermaid
• A weapon wielded on the tail

Well, I will thread necro!

I think this is a pretty great idea :D

furgo_armor - I"m not sure this group's needed.. a helmet and a hat are similar enough, and I feel like there'll be a lot of overlap between armor and various clothing. take post #999434 which was in the 'armor' set :)

How about Gear rather than armor? Be nice to have a tag for stuff like equipment/tools too. Cars for taurs, keyboards for paws

past that, this is me just thinking about some general broad categories.

(tag names are temporary!)

furgo_headwear
-> Hats_with_holes
-> Ear_covers (I mean this like the little 'ear shaped covers' like post #1272376 post #831837 ... but what about, like, ear-mittens? aaah, tha'ts such a CUTE idea. surely that's drawn somewhere...)
-> What about stuff built around a muzzle?
-> Glasses?

Furgo_chestwear
-> Mostly stuff built around wing slots.

Furgo_legwear
-> Tail slots (aka 'tail button bottoms')
-> maybe slits/buttons to accommodate the shape of a digitgrade leg, or overly large paws or something?

Furgo footwear
-> duh, shoes.

Uh, fingerless gloves are already a thing, but maybe gloves made to accommodate claws peeking out?

What about, like, taur_furgonomics? I think that's a specifc enough thing that it also deserves tagging, aside of everything else.

On which note... Stuff like this? really shouldn't count: post #1002090 If I look up these tags, it's because I want to see drawings that include these details. I don't want to see 'wings magically appearing outside the shirt', I want to see tailored holes, or slits, etc. :)

Eargonomics.

Please let it be a thing