Topic: "frankenstein" tag / patchwork creatures

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

SnowWolf

Former Staff

So, the wiki for frankenstein says:

Referring to the titular character of Mary Shelly's 1818 novel Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus. While the name is actually derived from the human Doctor, Victor Frankenstein, the moniker of "Frankenstein's Monster" is often simply reduced to "Frankenstein".

In popular culture Frankenstein has become a common archetype in horror and even comedy, especially animated shows and movies. Depiction of the character varies even so far as gender is concerned. Female versions are often referred to as "Brides of Frankenstein" from the classic movie of the same name.

So it sounds a lot like it's intended for depictions of the specific character, or extremely similar designs:

post #1362947 post #707733 ...maybe: post #613783

but it seems to be used for any number of ... shall we say, man-made patchwork zombies:

post #1315452 post #983530 post #844668 post #255338

.... I dunno. I intially basically was gonna propose a tag like patchwork_creature for stuff like this:

post #1362491 post #1364646 post #1115702 post #256430 post #402410 post #186768

we have the patchwork tag to describe the concept of sewing lots of different materials together--used for clothing, critters and animate plush, largely. Probably a few under stitches too.

So... thoughts y'all?

Updated by klorpa

SnowWolf

Former Staff

Genjar said:
Also frankenstein's monster, which is the better tag for the titular monster. Since Frankenstein was the doctor.

Of course.

Clearly we should alias "frankenstien" to "doctor_frankenstein" ;)

Actually the better answer would be to disambiguate Frankenstein, so we have have tags for the doctor, the monster, the book (because, yeah, there's at least one book tagged..), and the 'type' of monster....

How about a patchwork_monster tag for the rest? I didn't get far with the monster tag re-organization, but the plan was to use *_monster format for most of the subtags. The only one that's been added so far is tentacle_monster.

That might be good! My only quibble is that some of these are pretty unmonstery.

I mean...

post #465263 is a living plushie, she's not a patchwork_monster
post #717121 isn't scary--but I guess she is "monsterous" and full of potential body horror
post #465262 though ... she's kinda living plushie, but not really? though holy shit she's really cute. She's like a mix of plush and living--her hair which seems to be HAIR turns into yarn, her ears look totally normal, and she's got REAL blush and 'ppatchwork green' blush..

Is a patchworked animate plushie still a patchworjk_monster?

Updated by anonymous

SnowWolf

Former Staff

Genjar said:
The second one looks like a good fit for monstrous_humanoid, so I'd tag it as monster.

Alrighty :D

As for the rest, though? *_creature would be the other standard, so patchwork_creature then. Could even add both tags, I suppose, with patchwork_monster implicated to patchwork_creature and monster.

That seems a bit redundant to me, but it wouldn't be the first time we've done something like that.

Mmm....

Had a look through living plush and most of those are nice, clean fluffy plushies, so the state of being ragged/patchwork seems like it'd be good to tag..

It does seem redundant to tag patchwork_monster and patchwork_creature.... but I think it'd be the best idea, all things considered. Am pretty tired, though, so I might be wrong.

Cutie McEarFluff isn't a monster.

The other alternative would be... like... to tag the patchwork zombie type critter as one thing, while tagging the patchworkplush as a different thing.

Another thing to consider would be the actual 'patchwork' tag -- which is about 90% creatures/monsters but still has some stuff like:

post #1318235 post #720307 post #110741

But I guess the easiest would be to tag patchwork_clothing aaaand.. disambiguate patchwork. :)

(in the meantime, I'll go ahead and tag those -- we can always change it if needed)

So to sum up:

patchwork alias to patchwork_(disambiguous)
patchwork_creature
patchwork_monster implies patchwork_creature
patchwork_monster implies monster
patchwork_clothing implies clothing

that or patchwork_clothing could be patchwork_cloth and also be used for quilts and stuff ... maybe plush too?

and should there be something different for clothes with a single patch? hmm!

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff

SnowWolf said:
post #1318235 post #720307 post #110741

But I guess the easiest would be to tag patchwork_clothing aaaand.. disambiguate patchwork. :)

I was about to suggest patched_clothing, but then I took a closer look at those. Yeah, that goes far beyond just 'patched'. Patchwork_clothing sounds good.

and should there be something different for clothes with a single patch? hmm!

There's the patch_(fabric), but it also needs work: it's tagged for both patched clothing, and cloth patches. Which should probably be divided into two tags.

Updated by anonymous

SnowWolf

Former Staff

Genjar said:
I was about to suggest patched_clothing, but then I took a closer look at those. Yeah, that goes far beyond just 'patched'. Patchwork_clothing sounds good.

Yeah--aside of the weird "extreme poverty" look, some people think it's pretty fasionable. c_c

There's the patch_(fabric), but it also needs work: it's tagged for both patched clothing, and cloth patches. Which should probably be divided into two tags.

Gosh, yeah, that should be two tags. Hmmm

The trickiest is the "military patch" type patch. Wikipedia calls some of the military ones a "Shoulder sleeve insignia" but also refers to them as badges and patches. Hmmm.... ... Maybe something like cloth_badge fabric_badge? Insignia_patch? textile_badge? Gosh.

As for the patches on clothes... I'd go with patched_clothing honestly. or clothing_patch. it's straight forward and not as ambiguous as "cloth patch" or anything like that.

On other topics, I've mostly emptied patchwork. I tagged all of the patchwork_monsters and all of the patchwork_creature -patchwork_monsters and the {{patchwork_clothing}] and I"m left with 2.5 posts:

post #340394 post #425105

Clearly, the characters are monsterous--but in the psychological horror sort of way. They've wearing someone else's skin. how the hell do you tag that? I don't think they're a patchwork anything because they're not.. patchworky enough, but ...??

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff

SnowWolf said:
The trickiest is the "military patch" type patch. Wikipedia calls some of the military ones a "Shoulder sleeve insignia" but also refers to them as badges and patches. Hmmm.... ... Maybe something like cloth_badge fabric_badge? Insignia_patch? textile_badge? Gosh.

Insignia is definitely the most common name for military ones. How about military_insignia? ...on second thought, that'd also apply to painted ones, etc. Military_patch?

There's quite a lot of those in insignia, which is yet another tag that needs to be sorted out someday. No shortage of those.

As for the patches on clothes... I'd go with patched_clothing honestly. or clothing_patch. it's straight forward and not as ambiguous as "cloth patch" or anything like that.

Sounds good.

On other topics, I've mostly emptied patchwork. I tagged all of the patchwork_monsters and all of the patchwork_creature -patchwork_monsters and the {{patchwork_clothing}] and I"m left with 2.5 posts:

post #340394 post #425105

No idea. When everything else fails, I usually try checking TV Tropes for name ideas. Found no matching concepts for that there. ...flesh_craft?

Updated by anonymous

SnowWolf

Former Staff

Genjar said:
Insignia is definitely the most common name for military ones. How about military_insignia? ...on second thought, that'd also apply to painted ones, etc. Military_patch?

Catch is, it's not JUSt military patches--probably, anyway. Boyscout badges and..

post #1229263 post #477386 post #324636

There's quite a lot of those in insignia, which is yet another tag that needs to be sorted out someday. No shortage of those.

Uuugh.

No idea. When everything else fails, I usually try checking TV Tropes for name ideas. Found no matching concepts for that there. ...flesh_craft?

Maybe something like... skinsuit, but THAT is already used... and is somehow different than a bodysuit...? ugh ugh ugh.

but that's not really a 'skin suit' like... wearing someone elses's skin.. it's like.. I dunno. psychologically_unhealthy_transplant? :P

I mean... We could get into some deep stuff like how Body Integrity Identity Disorder's a thing (I'll save you the google: it's basically a disorder where someone sees part of their body--say, an arm or an eye--as 'alien' and want to have it amputated or removed.)... but no one would ever tag it. Also, it has more in common, at least in those images, with some degree of... uh.. well, that's *other* being's skin there, not them taking their own arms off or whatever.

Highly_inappropriate_body_modification? ;p
Gein-esque_body_horror?
body_part_transplant?

(That last one's not awful...)

(I wonder if there is a tag for furries wearing fur coats, or animal hide or something like that? hm.)

Updated by anonymous

I like the glibness of sewn_together as a body type/species, but it doesn't improve anything if users would still mix up sewn clothes with sewn characters. Stitches need not be visible.

SnowWolf said:
On other topics, I've mostly emptied patchwork. I tagged all of the patchwork_monsters and all of the patchwork_creature -patchwork_monsters and the {{patchwork_clothing}] and I"m left with 2.5 posts:

post #340394 post #425105

Clearly, the characters are monsterous--but in the psychological horror sort of way. They've wearing someone else's skin. how the hell do you tag that? I don't think they're a patchwork anything because they're not.. patchworky enough, but ...??

I've definitely seen that concept before in random media. Dipping into the well of memory, today I remembered graft ( Graft (surgery)) ).

body_modification + a graft tag

basically gets the job done. Best to make one graft tag to rule them all since this will be ultra-niche. I would have gone for skin_graft, but adding functional wings is beyond "skin". body_graft/grafted_body and call it a day.

To describe a limited patchwork character, so maybe only one or two donor bodies, perhaps incinerate amalgam/amalgamation/amalgama (what even...) and repurpose those. Or incinerate them anyways, don't repurpose them, and stick to a graft tag. Too bad Undertale has already laid claim to amalgamate.

Similar tags: fusion and hybrid.

Updated by anonymous

SnowWolf

Former Staff

abadbird said:
I like the glibness of sewn_together as a body type/species, but it doesn't improve anything if users would still mix up sewn clothes with sewn characters. Stitches need not be visible.

I've definitely seen that concept before in random media. Dipping into the well of memory, today I remembered graft ( Graft (surgery)) ).

body_modification + a graft tag

basically gets the job done. Best to make one graft tag to rule them all since this will be ultra-niche. I would have gone for skin_graft, but adding functional wings is beyond "skin". body_graft/grafted_body and call it a day.

To describe a limited patchwork character, so maybe only one or two donor bodies, perhaps incinerate amalgam/amalgamation/amalgama (what even...) and repurpose those. Or incinerate them anyways, don't repurpose them, and stick to a graft tag. Too bad Undertale has already laid claim to amalgamate.

Similar tags: fusion and hybrid.

GRAFTS!! OMG, that is EXACTLY correct! That's what they call it when they do it to trees too.

I have no idea what those amalga* tags are for... other than that they look like like misused hybrid or chimera tags...

How about just graft? (and body_modification, of course) --that way we don't need to determine if that was an ARM graft or jsut a SKIN graft.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff

abadbird said:
I've definitely seen that concept before in random media. Dipping into the well of memory, today I remembered graft ( Graft (surgery)) ).

body_modification + a graft tag

Plus one, since that's what I was trying to suggest earlier, but I seem to typoed it as 'craft'.

Simply tagging it as graft should work well enough, since it seems pretty rare.

Here's an another that I stumbled on today while fixing ratings:
post #1015381

Updated by anonymous

SnowWolf

Former Staff

Genjar said:
Plus one, since that's what I was trying to suggest earlier, but I seem to typoed it as 'craft'.

hahha, that's the worst type of typo.... fleshcraft is totally a thing in some game type things, which is why I didn't even bat an eye at it. So--points to you for having a really good typo that doesn't change the meaning ;)

Simply tagging it as graft should work well enough, since it seems pretty rare.

Here's an another that I stumbled on today while fixing ratings:
post #1015381

Goodness--delightfully horrifying :)

I thin kI see at least 3 critters there--fluttershy, a dragon, and the furry thing that makes up the paw. Though her flanks seem to be more pink than brown and--wait, she has bunny ear extenstions. and... ... yeah, okay. patchwork_monster she is. :)

Updated by anonymous

Bumping this topic for the Halloween season, and to point out that there are now several spcies tags for Frankenstein-inspired monsters:
frankenstein (species)
post #584648
frankenfur:
post #1617204
frankencroc:
post #657762

In addition, frankenstein's monster has also been tagged as adam (frankenstein), which he does refer to himself as in the original book:
post #76839

Speaking of the original book, we don't have a copyright tag for Frankenstein yet.

Updated by anonymous

  • 1