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Topic: "I don't like the theme." and how you can help.

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- the "‹ prev Search: (none) next ›" bit at the top of every post is unnecessary, or should at the very least be a disableable option
- text size overall seems a little harder to read now, sizing maybe?
- The buttons below the images (the download button in particular) are now much smaller, and so are harder to quickly and accurately press. When mass saving images this ends up being a bigger problem than it seems like
- having to be logged in to see certain posts is plain dumb. I stay signed out most of the time because I don't use the fav button (which looks awful btw). Now I'm forced to stay signed in just to make sure i'm seeing everything.

Overall the sites design seems kinda backwards now. It feels more like an older version of the site or something. Would have been nice to get feedback before dropping the redesign on all of us.

My 2 cents on feedback:

I can't see anything. The icons on the forums are larger than the image previews when i'm looking at images. That's just.... bad.

11 images a row, all too small to see any detail, and then 4 random images to complete the list at the bottom.

This new format needs some serious scaling work fast, because for me, it's basically not in a usable state. I have to zoom the page to see anything, and that's not goo for a site that revolves around looking at things.

Another giant annoyance,

What genius decided we should all read our blacklists before viewing any images? Seriously, this is fucking DUMB. I really, really don't want to be reminded of all the things I blacklisted literally every time I look at the site. Seriously. How did this get released? Holy fuck. Every single search starts with a word salad of things I can't stand.

Okay so the area to view child and parent posts is at the bottom of the image now? What the absolute fuck?

Yo this new layout physically hurts me. On my computer it's tolerable, but on my phone... I can't even describe it.

The search bar is completely broken. Have to write in custom searches each and every time you come to the site. It's not stored into your browser's cache anymore like with the old search bar. This makes it highly tedious to swap between multiple custom searches whenever you want to browse the site. Obvious sign that this new codebase was rushed and is still in prealpha. Instead of giving a chance for the userbase to beta test it, it was carelessly made live, just like with the design.

1) I would suggest moving the Parent/Child line on a post's page to above the image, where the Pool line is. It often is forced 'below the fold' by an image and therefore it isn't clear if there is a parent or child post.

2) Being able to disable the Prev / Next option above a post would be nice. I would imagine that would just be a CSS enable/disable element thing?

why the thumbnails smaller; wheres the backround hex? flat colors look bad lets get us some gradients and textures on this website

goldenrenamon said:
Okay so the area to view child and parent posts is at the bottom of the image now? What the absolute fuck?

verdauga said:
1) I would suggest moving the Parent/Child line on a post's page to above the image, where the Pool line is. It often is forced 'below the fold' by an image and therefore it isn't clear if there is a parent or child post.

2) Being able to disable the Prev / Next option above a post would be nice. I would imagine that would just be a CSS enable/disable element thing?

Also needs smoother navigation. My process when going through a comic pool is scroll down while reading and viewing, hit +fav and upvote, maybe look at comments, then I have to scroll ALL the way back up to hit Next on the opposite side of the screen. My mouse gets a lot of busywork out of this, much more than it used to. Not to mention I require more precision just aiming at updoot and Next, since I can't just scroll up and down and press everything without even moving my mouse anymore.

kiranoot said:
It's amazing how I can tell who didn't read the opening post at all by them all asking for an option to use the old UI. I even said that I would have not changed the UI at all if that had ever been an option. But it wasn't. Vitriol isn't going to get you anything here. I'm one person trying to run a site with millions of views a day on a few hours a week. Take a step back, relax a little, and understand that I'm going to be working on fixing things as best I can. This isn't an us vs them issue where I'm not listening to anyone and this is the final form.

Please keep this thread related to THEME issues only. Bug reports should go into their own threads so they can be seen and addressed.

I've read in the other thread that none of the site's users provided feedback on the new UI changes and new features. I highly suspect that it was because the majority of people who use this site don't touch the forums and had no clue that something like this was even going on. It seems now since the update was pushed out, you've got the attention of everybody and now are now receiving the much needed feedback. Best course of action is to revert the site and put this update back into pre alpha where it belongs and make the changes that you are receiving. After that, then you can pull it out of pre alpha. Receiving little to no feedback isn't an excuse to push out a large update, especially when the site gets millions of views per day. That's the issue on your fault, not ours.

Most of my favorites were deleted :( and I can't see how many pages are in my favorites

dolphinpainus said:
I've read in the other thread that none of the site's users provided feedback on the new UI changes and new features. I highly suspect that it was because the majority of people who use this site don't touch the forums and had no clue that something like this was even going on. It seems now since the update was pushed out, you've got the attention of everybody and now are now receiving the much needed feedback. Best course of action is to revert the site and put this update back into pre alpha where it belongs and make the changes that you are receiving. After that, then you can pull it out of pre alpha. Receiving little to no feedback isn't an excuse to push out a large update, especially when the site gets millions of views per day. That's the issue on your fault, not ours.

It's not their fault so few people cared to read the news until it was too late. But at this point, it can't be reverted back without removing all the uploads and undoing all other activity that has happened since the site came back up. Besides, given that a lot of the complaints has been 'new layout bad, give back old', after it's been said multiple times that the old layout cannot work on the new site, I'm not sure putting it back into a long beta period would help that much when it comes to the layout, compared to just waiting it out for a few days as the kinks get worked out. Layout issues can be worked on, and people can make custom CSS themes to get something they like better (including making it look more like it used to).

watsit said:
It's not their fault so few people cared to read the news until it was too late. But at this point, it can't be reverted back without removing all the uploads and undoing all other activity that has happened since the site came back up. Besides, given that a lot of the complaints has been 'new layout bad, give back old', after it's been said multiple times that the old layout cannot work on the new site, I'm not sure putting it back into a long beta period would help that much when it comes to the layout, compared to just waiting it out for a few days as the kinks get worked out. Layout issues can be worked on, and people can make custom CSS themes to get something they like better (including making it look more like it used to).

I don't think you understand my dude.
NOBODY. WANTED. THIS.

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I'm fine with the new layout of things; I can adjust. But could you bring back the old landing page in some form or another? I liked being able to log in and do other stuff before being bombarded with NSFW content. It also helped when I would use the site in other places than the privacy of my home and I could just search for safe images, not having to worry about people seeing niche, and oftentimes bizarre pornography.

kiranoot said:
Vitriol isn't going to get you anything here.

How sensitive are you? Considering this is the Internet, people are being remarkably restrained and on topic here. The only one making this about you is you. We're giving feedback on the site redesign, a change that happened without warning and apparently without any (real) preliminary testing or feedback. Can you see how THAT's disrespectful to the users, artist, taggers and uploaders that use the site every day?

If you genuinely are the only one maintaining the site, that's a disaster waiting to happen, and explains a lot. Not because you are or aren't skilled, but because this is way too much for any one person. I agree with the other posters, this needs to be fixed before anything else.

It's been mentioned several times that this change "had to happen" because underlying framework changes meant you had to rebuild the layout from scratch. This begs several questions:

1. Why did the framework have to change?
2. What is it about the framework that makes recreating an old CSS layout impossible?
3. Why, in the process of recreating the layout, did you also make several deliberate CHANGES, which make all this a re-design rather than a less-than-perfect imitation?
4. Why on earth were you not communicating about this process with the user base as you gradually worked on it, instead of suddenly springing a new, broken layout on everyone and talking down any negative feedback? Did you think no one would notice?

There may well have been good reasons that forced a change, but TALKING about them would have at least helped everyone brace for the blow. Supposedly a beta was happening for some time? I never heard about it, and judging by this thread it seems the same goes for most users. Whoever WAS testing it either wasn't giving good feedback, or wasn't being listened to.

I'm sure a lot of time went into this change, and I know the natural instinct is to defend something you're deeply invested in. But this just isn't salvageable. Improvements are always possible, and I hope they come, but if not, this may very well end up being e621's Tumblr moment. Unlike the usual behind the scenes political conflict here , this effects the day-to-day use of the site by ordinary users. It's a gut punch.

Or maybe not, maybe people will just get used to using another ugly and kinda broken site. Wouldn't be the first poorly designed porn site. But it's still sad things have to come to that, for seemingly no reason.

watsit said:
It's not their fault so few people cared to read the news until it was too late. But at this point, it can't be reverted back without removing all the uploads and undoing all other activity that has happened since the site came back up. Besides, given that a lot of the complaints has been 'new layout bad, give back old', after it's been said multiple times that the old layout cannot work on the new site, I'm not sure putting it back into a long beta period would help that much when it comes to the layout, compared to just waiting it out for a few days as the kinks get worked out. Layout issues can be worked on, and people can make custom CSS themes to get something they like better (including making it look more like it used to).

It's not that few people cared to read the news or forum. It's that they did not provide any sort of noticeable announcement for it. Your average user comes here to view porn, and news was always far and few between on topics most of them won't care about (basically a new news post once every 4 months about some rules updates, posting guidelines, unexpected downtimes, etc), so they'll just disable the news bar or just not look at it when coming to the site. Judging by the backlash, it's safe to say that nobody knew this was going on. If they had an annoying banner pop up like FA did with their beta, then people would notice, but no, they hid it away into the part of the site nobody ventures to and then complained about receiving no feedback. They would've received feedback if this wasn't just a so few people like you claim.

But it's confirmed by kira in another thread. There is nothing to revert to (lol, web designing without backups? What is this? A community college project?). We're stuck with what we have here. There's only going forward. They made their bed, they can't complain about lying in it.

bitshift said:
How sensitive are you? Considering this is the Internet, people are being remarkably restrained and on topic here. The only one making this about you is you. We're giving feedback on the site redesign, a change that happened without warning and apparently without any (real) preliminary testing or feedback. Can you see how THAT's disrespectful to the users, artist, taggers and uploaders that use the site every day?

If you genuinely are the only one maintaining the site, that's a disaster waiting to happen, and explains a lot. Not because you are or aren't skilled, but because this is way too much for any one person. I agree with the other posters, this needs to be fixed before anything else.

It's been mentioned several times that this change "had to happen" because underlying framework changes meant you had to rebuild the layout from scratch. This begs several questions:

1. Why did the framework have to change?
2. What is it about the framework that makes recreating an old CSS layout impossible?
3. Why, in the process of recreating the layout, did you also make several deliberate CHANGES, which make all this a re-design rather than a less-than-perfect imitation?
4. Why on earth were you not communicating about this process with the user base as you gradually worked on it, instead of suddenly springing a new, broken layout on everyone and talking down any negative feedback? Did you think no one would notice?

There may well have been good reasons that forced a change, but TALKING about them would have at least helped everyone brace for the blow. Supposedly a beta was happening for some time? I never heard about it, and judging by this thread it seems the same goes for most users. Whoever WAS testing it either wasn't giving good feedback, or wasn't being listened to.

I'm sure a lot of time went into this change, and I know the natural instinct is to defend something you're deeply invested in. But this just isn't salvageable. Improvements are always possible, and I hope they come, but if not, this may very well end up being e621's Tumblr moment. Unlike the usual behind the scenes political conflict here , this effects the day-to-day use of the site by ordinary users. It's a gut punch.

Or maybe not, maybe people will just get used to using another ugly and kinda broken site. Wouldn't be the first poorly designed porn site. But it's still sad things have to come to that, for seemingly no reason.

I agree with everything said here.

I think something should be done to make adding images to sets easier, as its kinda a bit weird with the new layout.

bitwolfy said:
IMHO, the problems that currently exist could be easily resolved with just a bit of work.
I spent maybe half an hour fixing the image page using the Stylish addon. https://i.imgur.com/V9SRpUm.jpg

Some highlights, in no particular order:
- Moved the e621 "logo" back where it belongs. It was taking way too much space.
- Moved the pool navigation buttons under the image, stripping some padding in the process
- Rolled back the fonts in the tag list to the ones in the old theme.
- Made the "search help" and "blacklist help" links _a lot_ smaller and less intrusive
- Got rid of the search button. Why is it even there?
- The +FAV button stood out like a sore thumb - made it act like a link instead.
- Got rid of the styling on the comment section container. It just looked messy.

Kept working for a bit on the possible fixes.

- Implemented a tweaked version of Jaser's header title. It's as close as I can get it to the original one.
- Included the upload page fixes by Peegus
- Fixed the garish pool link colors. They are now a pleasant beige.
- Removed the redundant "Posts" link on the posts page that led to itself
- Gave the post thumbnails their rounded edges back. Just the top ones though.
- Minor tweaks to the tags in the sidebar. Should be pretty close to the original.
- More work done on the position of pool navigation and various notices on the image page.
- Put the ads back in. The ad on the image page is now right above the comment section.
- Changed the weird +FAV button to look exactly like the original Favorite button
- Hopefully made the download button easier to click? Will play around with it more.

Here is the CSS if you want to check it out for youself. https://pastebin.com/NJU6JhPj
Very poorly tested and probably not too friendly for older browsers. Feedback welcome.
Definitely usable through Stylish, haven't tested the built-in custom CSS support yet.

sharkiiie said:
Most of your changes are pretty good.
Personally I'd love to see the pool nav and fav buttons back where they were. It's a pain to scroll all the way down on some large images to fav it, and the smaller pool nav was easier to use. It's nice to have the image on the right, function stuff on the left, and description and comments below the image.

Thanks.
Alas, I'm pretty much at the end of what I can do with CSS when it comes to the pool nav buttons. Moving those back to where they used to be would require me trying to remember Javascript, and I'm not nearly drunk enough for that.
Personally, I've been using the keyboard shortcut keys for navigation (A and D) more than the actual buttons. I wish there were shortcuts for upvoting / downvoting and adding a favorite, but there are none.

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bitwolfy said:

Personally, I've been using the keyboard shortcut keys for navigation (A and D) more than the actual buttons. I wish there were shortcuts for upvoting / downvoting and adding a favorite, but there are none.

..?

https://e621.net/static/keyboard_shortcuts

It does seem to be the case that voting via keyboard isn't implemented, though.

This tiny nit has come up in other posts already, but: The tag post counts look more visually important than they really are for using the site. I like bitWolfy's approach of just bolding the tags, or de-emphasizing the post count text is also an option:

.post-count {
  color: #aaa;
  font-size: 70%;
}

I feel that the new theme is a bit too busy for my liking. Mostly it's the fact that the font is slightly larger, while the thumbnails are slightly smaller, creating a sense of dissonance. I would switch back to the old font, as the new one isn't as legible in a low contrast environment like e621.

The upload screen should still show the picture about to be uploaded as soon as you select the file or the url, and the preview screen should be made as large as before. The buttons are a good idea, but having multiple entry fields is just disorienting; just have the buttons all throw their respective tags into the main tag field and do away with the rest. The buttons also need a better contrast between selected and unselected.

I don't hate the ideas behind the change, but I do feel like I just became an unwilling participant in a demo testing. While the technical side seems to work thus far, the CSS still needs a fair bit of tweaking.

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fluffy_tail said:
I don't think you understand my dude.
NOBODY. WANTED. THIS.

Translation: "I DON'T LIKE CHANGE."

There are people that wanted a change to the backend, and that change necessitated redoing the layout. The change was necessary to fix long-standing problems with the site's infrastructure, including the ability to have more than 5 tags in a search among other things, which was not a viable option with the old site. There are people who understand that a big change to the site's code like this is going to be bumpy, and can give it the time it needs to smooth out. If this results in a better e621/e926 after the dust settles, I very much wanted this, so it's definitely not "NOBODY".

bitshift said:
How sensitive are you? Considering this is the Internet, people are being remarkably restrained and on topic here. The only one making this about you is you. We're giving feedback on the site redesign, a change that happened without warning and apparently without any (real) preliminary testing or feedback. Can you see how THAT's disrespectful to the users, artist, taggers and uploaders that use the site every day?

"Can we please have the option to use the old layout?"
"I’m not a fucking grandpa, I don’t need easy to read text options on a porn search engine!"
"Best chance we have now is community redesigns"
"wish i could use themes like in the old version."

Such useful feedback on just the first page of this thread. To say nothing of other threads, like "Remember when e621 was good?" and "Introducing e621 Eclipse" as their titles. So use, much wow. Especially when the very beginning of the first post about the theme is, "The theme presented here is a quick conversion of some of the base hexagon theme elements, so it isn't expected that everyone will be happy with it. We are still working on the theme and working on adding support for multiple themes back into the site. It's a large task, so it will take some time to complete." and "We don't have a way to just snap our fingers and make the site look exactly like it used to, or we would have."

Yes, there are people giving constructive criticism too, and that is being taken in stride and considered as appropriate. But that doesn't mean the negativity isn't also there.

fluffy_tail said:
If you genuinely are the only one maintaining the site, that's a disaster waiting to happen, and explains a lot. Not because you are or aren't skilled, but because this is way too much for any one person. I agree with the other posters, this needs to be fixed before anything else.

Unfortunately this is all volunteer work. No one's getting paid here, and the owners and/or lead admin(s) need to be able to trust who they let work on the site.

fluffy_tail said:
4. Why on earth were you not communicating about this process with the user base as you gradually worked on it, instead of suddenly springing a new, broken layout on everyone and talking down any negative feedback? Did you think no one would notice?

That's what the beta was for. There was a news alert about it last month. People didn't care to look because they were too busy fapping on a porn site. There was a sticky thread about it in the forums too, but people don't go there because this is a porn site for porning on, not discussing things unrelated to porn drawnings. So when it became go time and the new site went live, they were shocked, shocked I tell you, that the beta they didn't provide feedback for didn't get their feedback.

savageorange said:
..?

Well, that's embarrassing. I didn't see that, and I swear, I looked. Thanks.

zermelane said:
This tiny nit has come up in other posts already, but: The tag post counts look more visually important than they really are for using the site. I like bitWolfy's approach of just bolding the tags, or de-emphasizing the post count text is also an option:

... I was going to do something like that, but I straight up forgot. It's in now, though.
70% is a bit overdoing it, though IMHO. I've set it to 85% for the time being.

watsit said:
Translation: "I DON'T LIKE CHANGE."

There are people that wanted a change to the backend, and that change necessitated redoing the layout. The change was necessary to fix long-standing problems with the site's infrastructure, including the ability to have more than 5 tags in a search among other things, which was not a viable option with the old site. There are people who understand that a big change to the site's code like this is going to be bumpy, and can give it the time it needs to smooth out. If this results in a better e621/e926 after the dust settles, I very much wanted this, so it's definitely not "NOBODY".

[...]
Yes, there are people giving constructive criticism too, and that is being taken in stride and considered as appropriate. But that doesn't mean the negativity isn't also there.
[...]
Unfortunately this is all volunteer work. No one's getting paid here, and the owners and/or lead admin(s) need to be able to trust who they let work on the site.

+1

There was a news alert about it last month. People didn't care to look because they were too busy fapping on a porn site. There was a sticky thread about it in the forums too, but people don't go there because this is a porn site for porning on, not discussing things unrelated to porn drawnings. So when it became go time and the new site went live, they were shocked, shocked I tell you, that the beta they didn't provide feedback for didn't get their feedback.

I thought there was an alert, but wasn't sure. Thanks for confirming.

Hi, professional web developer here. I have a bunch of criticism and feedback for the new redesign, so I took a few hours out of my day to do a sort of writeup for you! :)

I've published this writeup as a gist, because... it's long. And it has pictures. And code snippets. And stuff.

So, here it is: https://gist.github.com/Ratismal/50d30ef9fd1781c09c0e266e52f87eee

This is not my exhaustive list of criticisms, but doing this kind of work is time consuming, so please let me know if it's helpful and if I should continue!

Cheers o/

watsit said:
stuff

This is a feedback thread, people are leaving their feedback. You don't need to white knight the changes.
You cannot deny there are a lot of bugs right now, or that the new theme is not fantastic.

If the site doesn't work right, or is harder to use, people are going to express that here.
This isn't just change, like back when YouTube updated, stuff is legitimately broken or hard to look at.

If the site is volunteer run and they don't have the resources to hire more devs, that's a them problem frankly. I'd be happy to donate once in a while if that's the case and they ask, but e6 hasn't ever (to my knowledge) said they need financial help. Because they haven't asked for donations, and they make money from ad revenue, one would assume they could get more people on board.

bitwolfy said:
Well, that's embarrassing. I didn't see that, and I swear, I looked. Thanks.

... I was going to do something like that, but I straight up forgot. It's in now, though.
70% is a bit overdoing it, though IMHO. I've set it to 85% for the time being.

I'm using your CSS in the built-in feature of the site and it's good for now, except for a tiny 'cheatsheet' besides the 'Search' title, that I think it was the '?' symbol. I'll not test everything because I mostly only browse here.

Also the changes for the fonts works only in the posts, not entirely on the search page and I suspect it's because the lack of proper class tags mentioned in one of the sticky posts. I think this can fix it, but I don't know if it will work in Stylish (works for IE8 and above if this means something):

[class^="category-"] {font-weight: bold; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: 700;} /* ... and bolder fonts */
.category-0 a, category-0 {font-weight: lighter; font-weight: 500;} /* But not for the general tags */

And you could use another piece of Peegus code to align all thumbnails to the bottom of their cells in search page, so you'll get consistent stats:
article.post-preview.captioned{vertical-align: inherit;}

EDIT - Also, there's always Wayback Machine to look on how it was, but you probably are using it already: https://web.archive.org/web/20191120011039/https://e621.net/post?tags=

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I will yet again address the elephant in the room.
It was incredibly mean and dumb of you guys removing the mascot search page literally killing all the e621 charm and turning into some faceless ordinary site.
I will definitely not just shut up and bear it (I'm not a bear after all). You have to bring my waifu esix and other mascots on the search page back! Or at very least make an option to bring it back in settings if you actually have any respect to your users whatsoever.

My complains:

1. No landing page, don't want to be greeted with a bunch of lewds immediately coming to the site.
2. Search bar does not auto-fill anymore for some reason, lost all previous searches.
3. Site feels cluttered on 21:9 aspect ratio, unsure if it's the same on 16:9. The big blank bar at the top with "e621" on it is an eyesore.

nope. don't like this.

I'm unsure if this is just a functionality update and the rest of the finalization will come after, but this site no longer has that e621 feel to it anymore. It feels as though its identity has been stripped away.

I loved the home screen.
I loved the different themes (particularly the hexagonal theme over others).
I loved how it fit my (oversized 1440p) screen with dead space (An old mediocre InDesign and Dreamweaver course from High School tells me that the dead space is just as important as the content).

I don't know the exact emotions that I feel about the change, but it's as if the current version of the website was an old beta for the previous version of the website if that makes sense.

Addendum: I prefer functionality over form. I see that I can literally search for up to 40 tags.

I wholeheartedly welcome this change. I just hope that the skin that this improved and more-efficient engine is packaged in gets updated to take the appearance of the old e621 look and feel.

I'm not sure why I'd need to use more than 10 tags at once, but hell, man, that's awesome. Thank you, the e621 development team, for making this happen.

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this new design is ok (if a little bit too simplistic but i can get used to that) only thing i really miss is having blips on the userpage ._.

also... is the list of previous names supposed to be back? i thought those were removed to stop doxing

Literally made an account just for this, one of the biggest bruh moments in e6 history. A few things;

1. Where's the home page, buddy????? All of those dank e6 memes are now immediately dated. But really, the homepage, the hexagons, they were straight furry porn icons and one of the most recognizable and infamous themes in internet fetish porn, period. Some sort of unifying home page needs to be put in somehow, doesn't need to be exactly the same, just as long as it has those iconic themes and patterns that made e6 so recognizable.

2. You NEED to realize about <90% of all of your traffic are just people who want that good nut. A sticky on the forum that barely anybody (relative to the actual traffic on the site) just isn't enough. Even an announcement header at the top isn't enough. There needed to be some way to get the message across that "HEY, OUR SITE IS CHANGING IN X AMOUNT OF DAYS. PLEASE PLEASE CHECK IT OUT SO THAT OUR DMS DON'T GET SPAMMED ONCE IT HAPPENS". Big, bold letters or red text, just something that really gets the point across that the change is significantly more important than whatever has come before in the past. You need to understand that if that's not in place, then naturally people are going to be blindsided no matter how much notice you gave beforehand, because it makes no sense that people would react so negatively if they were all properly notified, right?

Don't you think that everybody would be a lot more receptive if you had done a better job at letting people know that this was coming? What do people realistically gain by reacting like this to the new theme? Do you think people want to complain? That's not how it works, lmao. Clearly something went wrong in that department, so that's definitely something to look at in the future.

3. Why the automatic blacklist? Why do you need a login to view tags like "young" and "cub"? If the blacklist is now available to people who don't need a login, why not just let people create their own blacklist as they browse the site more and more instead of immediately assuming that they don't want to see the things that, granted, a lot of people hate? The good thing about boorus is the choice you have in what you look at, it's all there for you, no problem. You just have to find the tags for it, which e6 does do a fairly good job at compared to other boorus, which is to say, having more than 5 tags on posts.

The automatic blacklist and having to login to see cub should be removed, 100%. Is there some sort of legal reason for having to login to look those tags up? People who don't have accounts should at the very least; the VERY, VERY least, the absolute minimum that you could possibly do for anybody browsing a booru, is to give them the choice to see everything, no questions asked. If there is a legitimate or legal reason to block these tags from being seen when they previously weren't EVER done before, it needs to be communicated.

4. The popular by day page should be fixed as well. Don't really have much of anything constructive to say about it, but my personally as someone who checks this website pretty much out of habit, the first thing I do when I check this site is look at the popular by day page at the top of the page. I don't like having to hunt for the link is all.

4. I understand and accept the need to change software and all this other internet webpage fuckery that I don't understand because my attention span is too short to go to college and learn about it. That's all fine and good, but again, you should have known that this sort of situation would come along and people would come banging at your door screaming "GIVE US THE OLD LAYOUT". Personally, I don't need the old layout exactly per se, as long as it's updated, functional, and pleasing to look at, and easy to navigate, which it's obviously not.

When the site is worked on in the coming weeks, that's the first thing I would want everybody involved to have in mind. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and say that the people who are working on this whole website should be cut at least a *little* slack, since it's just so new and everything that looks ugly and hard to navigate will (and should) eventually be fixed.

5. The rollout was so, so flawed. Obviously the layout sucks; everybody here knows it, you know it, everybody that you know knows it, so just acknowledge it. The communication really does need to be better on your end. Just say something along the lines of "We knows the page sucks, we're listening to you. We're really sorry for the inconvenience and the ugly look, but please just bear with us because we will definitely be working on it". That's it. That's all you need to do, and 99% of people will understand and lay off a bit. Empathize with people.

I get it, it's hard running this kind of thing and people jump down your throat at even the slightest change, but that's just how we work. Can't you think of a single time where something in your life changed really dramatically and really suddenly and it really bothered you? Of course you can, because it happens all the time.

So please, no more of this "Deal with it, old layouts not coming back" nonsense. Be more understanding, lay out a list of things that need to be fixed or tweaked from all of the things that people are complaining about, and you'll be just fine. Just take a step back and look at things from an outsider perspective. Good luck!

tldr; ooga booga layout bad

(also, there are plenty of e621 mirrors out there, think I'll just use those for a bit)

fluffy_tail said:

Sure thing whiteknight. This is indefensible. Nope.

"stating things that are true is indefensible whiteknighting"

You are a demonstration of Poe's law.

sharkiiie said:
This is a feedback thread, people are leaving their feedback. You don't need to white knight the changes.
You cannot deny there are a lot of bugs right now, or that the new theme is not fantastic.

Of course there are problems, and the new theme is extremely basic with a number of tweaks needed. But as it is, I've only encountered two critical bugs, one I reported that got fixed fairly quickly, and another that I've not been able to reproduce, and most complaints I have about the theme can wait until the more critical issues people are finding are dealt with first (things like porn ads on e9, DMs being in random order, or favorites not listed in the correct order), so as a result I don't have much to say right now. It doesn't help either that I'm not a webdev or UI expert, so I couldn't offer very well-formed critiques or anything. Other people seem to be able to, though, so there's that.

sharkiiie said:
If the site doesn't work right, or is harder to use, people are going to express that here.
This isn't just change, like back when YouTube updated, stuff is legitimately broken or hard to look at.

And people can offer feedback on that, pointing out what's not working or what's making it really hard for them to use the site. But that's no reason to be nasty or make passive-aggressive remarks about how the site's bad now and they should feel bad for it. It doesn't help that some people keep asking for something they've said can't come back, or are just endlessly repeating the same complaints.

savageorange said:
"stating things that are true is indefensible whiteknighting"

You are a demonstration of Poe's law.

The new layout, and course of action are indefensible. He's just whiteknighting the whole situation. Reading comprehension, dude.
(Edit): I just had to see what your avatar was that I'd have blacklisted. Bakuhaku huh? Weird art style, everyone looks a sickly shade of blue or green.

kiranoot said:
The theme presented here is a quick conversion of some of the base hexagon theme elements, so it isn't expected that everyone will be happy with it. We are still working on the theme and working on adding support for multiple themes back into the site. It's a large task, so it will take some time to complete.

This thread exists to let you help with changes you'd like to see.

Please keep feedback constructive, as there is nothing actionable in 'I don't like the way it looks.' or 'The colors hurt my eyes.' Instead focus on how these things can be changed to help resolve the problems that you have with the theme. It's also important to remember that it's unlikely that everyone will agree with all changes suggested here, and that some level of compromise will be made, so be civil with others if you disagree with their suggestions. We don't have a way to just snap our fingers and make the site look exactly like it used to, or we would have.

The most helpful thing you can do is to provide CSS snippets that resolve the problems that you have with the theme so that they can be evaluated and integrated into the code base. CSS snippets can be tested from within the advanced user settings.

Suggestions for writing useful CSS rules:

  • Structure your changes around the idea that they are generic and can be applied to many elements instead of only a specific copy on a single page.
  • If your change requires changing class attributes on an element, please list it in your feedback so that it can be added to the element.
  • Colors on the site are mostly based on variables, so if you're using the color of another element, list which element you took the color from. If a new color is needed, please list the color, and how you obtained it(a lighter version of the text color, etc.)
  • If you believe that your change would make a good generic utility function, please specify what you would like to see it used for in the future.

Known caveats of the theme while it is being cleaned up:

  • There is way too much page specific CSS code on the site, and almost all elements are scoped too specifically.
  • There are essentially no class definitions on elements right now. As the theme is cleaned up this should improve.
  • There are some utility classes but they are not well documented or exported. Some of these can be found in the source code, but I don't currently have a list of utility classes to give you.
  • Theme changes are a lower priority than ensuring stability and operation of the site. Please be patient for review and implementation of changes.

Thanks,
~Kira

kiranoot said:
The theme presented here is a quick conversion of some of the base hexagon theme elements, so it isn't expected that everyone will be happy with it. We are still working on the theme and working on adding support for multiple themes back into the site. It's a large task, so it will take some time to complete.

This thread exists to let you help with changes you'd like to see.

Please keep feedback constructive, as there is nothing actionable in 'I don't like the way it looks.' or 'The colors hurt my eyes.' Instead focus on how these things can be changed to help resolve the problems that you have with the theme. It's also important to remember that it's unlikely that everyone will agree with all changes suggested here, and that some level of compromise will be made, so be civil with others if you disagree with their suggestions. We don't have a way to just snap our fingers and make the site look exactly like it used to, or we would have.

The most helpful thing you can do is to provide CSS snippets that resolve the problems that you have with the theme so that they can be evaluated and integrated into the code base. CSS snippets can be tested from within the advanced user settings.

Suggestions for writing useful CSS rules:

  • Structure your changes around the idea that they are generic and can be applied to many elements instead of only a specific copy on a single page.
  • If your change requires changing class attributes on an element, please list it in your feedback so that it can be added to the element.
  • Colors on the site are mostly based on variables, so if you're using the color of another element, list which element you took the color from. If a new color is needed, please list the color, and how you obtained it(a lighter version of the text color, etc.)
  • If you believe that your change would make a good generic utility function, please specify what you would like to see it used for in the future.

Known caveats of the theme while it is being cleaned up:

  • There is way too much page specific CSS code on the site, and almost all elements are scoped too specifically.
  • There are essentially no class definitions on elements right now. As the theme is cleaned up this should improve.
  • There are some utility classes but they are not well documented or exported. Some of these can be found in the source code, but I don't currently have a list of utility classes to give you.
  • Theme changes are a lower priority than ensuring stability and operation of the site. Please be patient for review and implementation of changes.

Thanks,
~Kira

Just return the page as it was, it was a cool, clean theme, now its totally broken on mobile and looks pretty ugly on pc, it was the only furry site that looked good, now it looks like a low effort copy of furaffinity, im not trying to be toxic or insult, im just saying how it looks to me, tags are not as accesible as they used to be, icons of the art looks pretty pixelated, the art witf different sizes make the list look bad, and pretty everything its wrong with the "new" e621
They say, if it isnt broken, dont try to fix it

The mobile version is claustrophobic and very difficult to use. I liked having the tags and search bar on the right side. Basically it looked and functioned like the desktop site with little difference. It was easier to navigate around a standard website on my phone than a crunched up mobile version. It sort of works if I select the view desktop option on mobile chrome but it's incredibly obnoxious to do this on every page. Honestly, the entire layout feels like a step backwards.

bruh_momento said:
3. Why the automatic blacklist? Why do you need a login to view tags like "young" and "cub"? If the blacklist is now available to people who don't need a login, why not just let people create their own blacklist as they browse the site more and more instead of immediately assuming that they don't want to see the things that, granted, a lot of people hate? The good thing about boorus is the choice you have in what you look at, it's all there for you, no problem. You just have to find the tags for it, which e6 does do a fairly good job at compared to other boorus, which is to say, having more than 5 tags on posts.

The automatic blacklist and having to login to see cub should be removed, 100%. Is there some sort of legal reason for having to login to look those tags up? People who don't have accounts should at the very least; the VERY, VERY least, the absolute minimum that you could possibly do for anybody browsing a booru, is to give them the choice to see everything, no questions asked. If there is a legitimate or legal reason to block these tags from being seen when they previously weren't EVER done before, it needs to be communicated.

There was a thread discussing this, but it got locked with no explanation.
There was a vague mention of legal or cultural issues with a few countries, but that's most likely bullshit, otherwise a certain pooh and/or skulls/bones would be blacklisted, along probably with porcine species.
That, and also watersports wouldn't be blacklisted.

No, the only explanation I can see is that either:
1. E621 moderation came to the point that some tags are now arbitrarily blacklisted on a whim, which defeats the point of e621, as you mentioned it, on top of denying exposure from artists having worked on blacklisted tags to guests, which is unfair.

2. Along with the wildcard removal for non-registered users, this is a way to push for account creation in order to have full access to the website, and somewhere down the line, once enough people have accounts, they'll lock some features behind a paid premium account.

I am baffled almost nobody is concerned about this forced blacklist. Not only some tags, like "young" is vague and can be used to qualify 18+ characters, robbing guests from a potential good artwork involving only adults, but it also forces you to stay logged in at all times if you want to access the full website's content.

At least there should be an option to disable for auto-blacklist for guests. I assume people browsing e621 on mobile don't want to clear their history everytime they browse e621 and use private mode so their browser is not flooded with e621 suggestions.

But no, "Just log in lmao :^)"

tbh im kind of fine with this new layout but please can you fix the favorites and themes and other shit

for clarification

I kinda wish I cloud see who posted a thing so I cloud to go on there page because there are artists here and Its just easier n shit

I also wish that the pages themselves can just revert back to the old layout like
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/470099907294789643/685379937422540848/unknown.png this is bad like Jesus i wloud like to see most of the new favorites I favored and posts I posted like the old version

also just show us the darn full numbers i hate this number then k shit just show us how many posts there are

also number pages for favorites too
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470099907294789643/685380451518775328/unknown.png
idk why this is removed but please put it back

and um yeah please bring back themes becuase most people with brains are sick of this minimalistic bullshit that keeps being pushed

nonono2 said:
I'm using your CSS in the built-in feature of the site and it's good for now, except for a tiny 'cheatsheet' besides the 'Search' title, that I think it was the '?' symbol. I'll not test everything because I mostly only browse here.

Also the changes for the fonts works only in the posts, not entirely on the search page and I suspect it's because the lack of proper class tags mentioned in one of the sticky posts. I think this can fix it, but I don't know if it will work in Stylish (works for IE8 and above if this means something):

[class^="category-"] {font-weight: bold; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: 700;} /* ... and bolder fonts */
.category-0 a, category-0 {font-weight: lighter; font-weight: 500;} /* But not for the general tags */

And you could use another piece of Peegus code to align all thumbnails to the bottom of their cells in search page, so you'll get consistent stats:
article.post-preview.captioned{vertical-align: inherit;}

EDIT - Also, there's always Wayback Machine to look on how it was, but you probably are using it already: https://web.archive.org/web/20191120011039/https://e621.net/post?tags=

Could you get me a screenshot of the 'cheatsheet' thing? Not quite sure what you are referring to.

The fonts should work on the search page too, there are class tags there alright, but your way is easier, yeah. That's how it's implemented now.
I honestly wasn't sure about Peegus's bottom-alignment for the thumbnails, simply because they've always been top-aligned on the old design. However, I have to admit that this is better.

I've also re-worked the blacklist filtering a little. The overall toggle is now on top, and clearly differentiated from the rest of the filters. I'm considering replacing the strikethrough effect with something better though.

ratismal said:
Hi, professional web developer here. I have a bunch of criticism and feedback for the new redesign, so I took a few hours out of my day to do a sort of writeup for you! :)

I've published this writeup as a gist, because... it's long. And it has pictures. And code snippets. And stuff.

So, here it is: https://gist.github.com/Ratismal/50d30ef9fd1781c09c0e266e52f87eee

This is not my exhaustive list of criticisms, but doing this kind of work is time consuming, so please let me know if it's helpful and if I should continue!

Cheers o/

Hey, amateurish web developer here :) You've put in quite a bit of work into that writeup. More that I would for sure.
I hope you don't mind that I included your forum width fix in my redesign fix-up stylesheet here: https://pastebin.com/NJU6JhPj

Honestly, the site needs to be redesigned from the ground-up. Not the current "re-design", where they clearly just hacked up an existing theme to work with a new backend, but a straight-up modernization. Not sure if it's going to happen any time soon though.

thiggy said:
also number pages for favorites too
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470099907294789643/685380451518775328/unknown.png
idk why this is removed but please put it back

No idea either. I'm guessing it's just something they forgot to put back in. Especially since if you just type in e.g. fav:thiggy in normal search, you get the exact same results, but with working pagination.

Updated

I'm assuming there are already plans for the mascot homepage and themes to be added back when new versions of them that function properly with the new codebase are made, so I'll just add another voice to the request of at least having an option to move the navbar for pools and parent/child posts off to the left below the search bar like they used to be. Having those where they are actually seems like it could be useful for mobile, but 99% of the time I spend on this site is on desktop, and it feels incredibly clunky for the pool navbar to be at the top and the parent/child being at the bottom. (I semi-regularly use several booru sites with a layout like e621 has now, and was always glad e6's layout wasn't so jank. Hah.)

Not to mention the pool navbar doubling for cycling through posts when not browsing a pool is something I'm not a fan of, an option for separating the two functionalities would be nice. Again, the streamlining is good for mobile, I'm sure, but feels a bit too awkward to have them fused together on desktop. Maybe just put the pool nav where it used to be and keep the top for scrolling through non-pool posts (maybe even an option to hide the top bar altogether for folks who think it adds needless visual clutter) on the desktop version of the site, or something? (Edit: Sorry, I'm dumb and somehow didn't notice they aren't actually fused. Options to move the pool nav back to the left and hide the other bar would still be nice, though.)

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Also, if you guys really need money to hire more staff or whatever, maybe a donate button or a patreon? I wouldn't mind setting up a recurring patreon sub for like $20/month, and I'm sure plenty of others feel the same, especially if it means more people working on site improvements and getting them done much faster without needing to cut corners, and preventing the paywall-locked content situation some people seem to be paranoid about. Personally, I don't even care about any titles or other rewards on the site or the discord, just keeping the site alive and 100% free, and insuring more frequent (and hopefully less disastrously recieved) updates is enough for me.

Updated

"- Some posts cannot be viewed without logging in based on which tags are applied to them."
If this was recently changed, I'd revert it. I only created an account to avoid missing pictures and to supply this feedback, so it doesn't affect me anymore. If I hadn't been using this site for years and had recently discovered it this feature would result in a hard pass from me.
I avoid creating accounts for websites as much as possible, especially sites I use for pornography cause I just want to drop in a URL and browse. A lot of websites (perhaps not this one) have a lot of email notifications that have to be manually disabled/adjusted.I generally work with the 'less is more' rule when dishing out even the most basic information. ponybooru does a good balance of this by allowing anonymous users to disable filters.
Short version: Having to create an account may put off some new users if they are like myself.

bitwolfy said:
redesign fix-up stylesheet here: https://pastebin.com/NJU6JhPj

Honestly, the site needs to be redesigned from the ground-up. Not the current "re-design", where they clearly just hacked up an existing theme to work with a new backend, but a straight-up modernization. Not sure if it's going to happen any time soon though.

Definitely agree they need to modernize and make a better theme in the future, but your CSS quick fix definitely makes things look a lot better in the meantime.
Thanks for taking the time to do it.

(One note though, the CSS does break the navbar on mobile)

More issues:
Navigating away from the upload page (say, to look up wiki pages) now clears the cache entirely, tags, sources, etc are not saved whatsoever. Same happens with tag edits or the comment box.

The URLs for wiki pages now only have a number for an identifier, you cannot access a wiki page directly by typing a URL with just the tag name. (Artist info pages too, but those were hard to navigate to on the old site, too.)
Wikipages can be accessed with a url of the format /wiki_pages/tag_name, inline links just default to the version with the ID number for some reason. Still not certain how to deal with artist pages.

Updated

Most everything I have has already been covered. Only other things I have:

-I'd want to see is a return of the green/red Favorite/Unfavorite button. I don't mind having it in the new spot (although it eludes me as to why we need two favorite buttons... and two download buttons...) but it would be nice to have a clearer visual indication as to whether an image has or hasn't already been added to favorites.

-On the Favorites page, there no longer appears to be page-by-page numbered navigation at the bottom (1, 2, 3 ... 1000), instead being just a Next and Previous option. A return to the older style, and indeed matching the style of any other browsing page, would be nice.

-On the upload page, the contrast between selected and non-selected options (regarding gender tags, rating, etc...) is far too low. When sitting level with my monitor, it's nearly impossible to tell the difference. Rather than a dull illumination of the selection, there should be a more obvious indication (change of color, shadow effect, anything really...)

-If possible, it would be nice to have the Change Size Mode selection beneath images laid out in such a way where all options are visible at once. This could be either a dropdown below the image, or under the Options section.

-The color of the pool title text contrasts very poorly with the background blue, being difficult to see at times, and especially troublesome on mobile.

The play icon at the top corner of video posts could use a bit more contrast. It's quite a bit less pronounced than before.

Honestly I don't like this new theme, seems like it was rushed at the last moment. Also those purple letters on the pool doesn't match the blue color of the website, kinda ugly. The mobile ver of the website is kinda a mess in my phone, big text with tiny text and the fav button is really big. I think a good idea is, get the old theme back and get this new theme into a "BETA" or "TEST" section of the website so people can change the theme and test the new theme while you guys do the feedback job. Isn't that better?
The thing I liked of the old theme was that it was really simple.

sharkiiie said:
Definitely agree they need to modernize and make a better theme in the future, but your CSS quick fix definitely makes things look a lot better in the meantime.
Thanks for taking the time to do it.

(One note though, the CSS does break the navbar on mobile)

No problem. It's actually a pretty fun little project.
As far as the navbar issue on the mobile - I am acutely aware of the issue, but am completely unable to do anything about it. Problem is, the custom CSS field the site provides does some funky stuff with the styles. Specifically, for some bizarre reason, it adds an !important parameter to every single style in it, which means that it would overwrite any existing styles. That's what is breaking the collapsing navbar.

There is a workaround. You just have to delete the part that handles the repositioning of the e621 logo. This specific bit:

#top h1 {
    display: inline;
    font-size: 1.3em !important;
    margin: 5px 0 0 1rem !important;
    font-weight: 400;
    font-family: verdana, sans-serif;
}
#nav { display: inline; }
#nav menu.main { display: inline-block; }

I am currently rethinking using the Jaser approach to repositioning the logo. My old way was much less elegant, but it didn't break the navbar on mobile. So there's that.

Edit: This is wrong, fixed it in the next post.

Updated

Overall I really like the redesign. It's more compact (at least on pc) and the search suggestions are really cool for exploring tags. Having said that, there are a three things that I really would like changed/back.

1. As everyone has already said, the startpage was so iconic and minimalistic (and cool with all the mascots). Please bring it back.

2. The update to how blacklists are handled now are good and bad. Seeing which tags have been blacklisted is dope and all, but I would still prefer it if the blacklisted posts would still appear with the black and white "BLACKLISTED" thumbnail, in addition to the info on the sidebar.

3. The layout of singular posts. This one is a bit longer in terms of criticism.
a) Ow my eyes. The text for the pool-link is way too dark and it appears woozy at times when I try and focus on it. The hover-color is pleasing to look at though. So the simplest way might be to change the color to always be the one that is used for hover atm and use underline as a hover-highlight. Or just search for a fitting less-saturated color.
b) Please move the "view original" bar atop the post. It doesn't take a lot of space and having to scroll down for such a feature is tiresome. Since the scaled-down versions always seem to create a lot of empty space on the right, why not move it as a little box there so that it's obvious that the image can be scaled up? That would also use free real estate on the viewport (on pc at least).
c) This is the must glaring issue and it is the pool and search navigation above posts. Just move it back to the left please or revert it at least to being only as wide as the sidebar on the left. It's a weird design choice and awful for usability to have it stretch all across the screen, causing unnecessary mouse and eye movement. The search navigation is a neat feature though.

sharkiiie said:
(One note though, the CSS does break the navbar on mobile)

Never mind, I'm dumb. It was a really easy fix, took me like 2 minutes.
Version 1.28 is out. https://pastebin.com/NJU6JhPj

Highlights:
- Fixed the navbar being permanently stuck open on mobile
- Rewritten the blacklist filtering to work with the site's built-in custom CSS
- Minor tweaks to padding on the image page. Still getting bugs with the order of notifications there sometimes.

Currently working on making the parent post block more noticeable.

furballs_dc said:
Hoping for Bloodlust theme again. I prefer the darker color scheme.

furballs_dc said:
Hoping for Bloodlust theme again. I prefer the darker color scheme.

I second that I also prefer a dark screen

bitwolfy said:
Never mind, I'm dumb. It was a really easy fix, took me like 2 minutes.
Version 1.28 is out. https://pastebin.com/NJU6JhPj

Highlights:
- Fixed the navbar being permanently stuck open on mobile
- Rewritten the blacklist filtering to work with the site's built-in custom CSS
- Minor tweaks to padding on the image page. Still getting bugs with the order of notifications there sometimes.

Currently working on making the parent post block more noticeable.

Was just going to point out @media breakpoints. If it's any use, the others defined in the minified CSS are:

@media(max-width:1100px),only screen and (orientation:portrait)
@media screen and (max-width:900px)
@media screen and (max-width:800px)
@media screen and (max-width:660px)
@media screen and (max-width:440px)

Just give us the option to go back, please. No one gave any feedback during your 5 months "beta" because no one cared enough or wanted this.

inasoupcan said:
Short version: Having to create an account may put off some new users if they are like myself.

This. Didn't need an account before. Now i get to log into your forums to join your userbase in saying that y'all messed up the site.

- bring the landing page back, if I want to see what was most recently posted I can find my way there myself.
- remove the automatic blacklist. Any hope of preserving any sort of reputation for this site left the building a looooong time ago. Keep e621 public and weird. The blacklist legit removes the site's appeal, and now you'll have weird(er) people like me wreaking havoc on your community.
- the theme didn't need to change. I don't need to be a professional web dev to know that.

When designing the site, consider if you're actually making it easier for the users to use your site before you roll out a major overhaul. I saw someone mention that users had a month to beta test. A month isn't enough lol. Tbh if the front end stayed the same most of the grief probably wouldn't even have been expressed. If it ain't broke...

My thoughts so far: I definitely think it still needs some ironing out, but I get that it's still a work in progress. My suggestions are, adjust the layout on particularly the Posts page, things like putting the Search button to the right of the search bar instead of below it. Maybe move the banner ad up to the top right to fill in some of that empty space, and bring the content more into frame.

I like how the images appear more concentrated on the page, but I think the aesthetic could use some smoothing out. Getting edges to line up (like scaled images to line up with the footer bar under each one, or having the edge of the News bar at the top of the page line up with the edge of the search bar. It's currently like 1 pixel off.)

I'd like to have a bit of background pattern or something, like I'm pretty sure there was before. I always took it for granted. But again, I understand you're getting to that.

The biggest issue for me is the blacklist tags. It used to be in a list to the side that was by default collapsed and out of the way. Now it's all listed out, every tag that's blacklisted on the page, and not only is it not collapsed, but there's not even an option to collapse it, so when I'm searching for stuff, there's a list right there of all the things I don't want to think about. That *really* needs to go away. It's good to have the option there, collapsed, but I don't want to see it all the time; that's why it's blacklisted. Also at one point during my browsing, I did a search and suddenly the blacklist was disabled and I had to re-enable it. Don't know how or why.
(The blacklist feature on this site, and the result filtering, is one of my favorite features about it, so please fix that.)

when viewing an image, the "+Fav" button below the image looks weird and out of place, being the only button on the page that looks like that. I'd suggest making it look like the other buttons next to it, but maybe putting the three (+Fav, Download, Change Size Mode) in a little bar of their own below the image. Though, there was nothing wrong with the bold text buttons they were before, either.

That's all I've got so far.

This whole thing feels like a weirdly specific bad dream. I swear I'm gonna wake up in 10 seconds, and the site will be normal again. One of my favorite sites of all time has been desecrated for no reason.

I bet this was already posted in this thread, but here comes my suggestion

I want the homepage with mascot back. This was one of the things i liked the most about e621, and now they removed it. Also now the homepage shows all of the content on the website, which you really don't want people to see you with.

Please add this homepage again because it is making me sad

unknownusertcf said:
Dear KiraNoot.
What is the point of asking for opinions if you delete them later?

From the quick look I just had, they weren't really opinions to me. They were more like complaints/comments.

awoosthefolf said:
I bet this was already posted in this thread, but here comes my suggestion

I want the homepage with mascot back. This was one of the things i liked the most about e621, and now they removed it. Also now the homepage shows all of the content on the website, which you really don't want people to see you with.

Please add this homepage again because it is making me sad

The front page, as well as the site's themes, are left last as bugs and other nuisances that occurred during the upgrade are being dealt with. I just ask for some patience while that is being sorted out and our local newt has rested.

xch3l said:
From the quick look I just had, they weren't really opinions to me. They were more like complaints/comments.

The front page, as well as the site's themes, are left last as bugs and other nuisances that occurred during the upgrade are being dealt with. I just ask for some patience while that is being sorted out and our local newt has rested.

I mean, the vocal community seems pretty upset, if the admins are getting feedback i would hope it would be addressed and not pushed to the side.

Another two cents about the theme, please consider making them a higher priority, considering look and feel can be just as important as function, and if it wasn't i don't think we'd see people with careers in UX.

I'm not a fan of the search bar's new autocomplete behavior. Previously it would autocomplete with search strings I've used in the past. Now it only autocompletes single tags, and it draws from the pool of every tag on the site rather than just ones I've searched.

xideron_coldscale said:
Was just going to point out @media breakpoints. If it's any use, the others defined in the minified CSS are:

Thanks, that'll come in handy. The mobile version of the site is quite... odd at the moment, although I'm not sure if that's caused by the new design, or it has always been like that. Never used the mobile version before.
Anyways, I'll probably take a closer look at it tomorrow.

Meanwhile, here's the last version for today.

e621 Redesign Fixes v.1.29: https://pastebin.com/NJU6JhPj

Highlights:
- Replaced the nonspecific triangle symbol used to designate animated posts with a specific extension. Unfortunately, there is no way to determine the post's extensions except for through the tags anymore. So, if a post is tagged webm, that will be displayed on the thumbnail. flash and mp4 extensions are also supported.
- Bugfix: the settings page had active tabs links colored black. Set it to white for now instead.
- Bugfix: minor margin tweak causing the layout to slightly shift on mobile
- Other minor tweaks and fixes

xch3l said:
From the quick look I just had, they weren't really opinions to me. They were more like complaints/comments.

I think that still counts as feedback.

Also, could someone give us a clear answer about why there was a forced blacklist implemented for non-registered users?
There was a thread discussing it, but it got locked without any reason nor answer.

If it's to protect the sensitivity of guest users, then it's missing a few dozen tags, such as body_horror, snuff, macro/micro, smelly_feet, and much more.
I don't believe it's there because of complaints from certain governments, as the blacklisted tags would be lacking a few characters.

Some people use private browsing for comfort, and denying full website access to those people feels like a low blow. I don't see why guests couldn't disable that blacklist using an option, which is then stored in a cookie for user preferences.

nukedukemii said:
Also, could someone give us a clear answer about why there was a forced blacklist implemented for non-registered users?
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If it's to protect the sensitivity of guest users, then it's missing a few dozen tags, such as body_horror, snuff, macro/micro, smelly_feet, and much more.
I don't believe it's there because of complaints from certain governments, as the blacklisted tags would be lacking a few characters.

Whoa now, don't give them any ideas...

All kidding aside, this is exactly it. You've left out some rather disturbing tags - so much so that implementing an auto-blacklist seems rather moot. I'm sure people are gunna think up something weirder to draw in the future anyhow, so the blacklist would just have to be updated by the admins once they find something else they find unsavory. Oooooor they could just have the community curate their own blacklists as they want without needing to affect the browsing of any guests on the site.

Also, instead of having guests "disable" the blacklist, we could just have users "enable" them, just like they have been doing.

For me it's just two minor things about the new site I will give feedback on.

One, I miss the home page with the mascots, not a huge loss but it was unique.

Second, I think having webms and gifs and such all labeled with a play button is a bit confusing as before you could see when something was a webm from the thumbnail but now you actually have to click on it to find out. It would be nice to be able to tell without clicking on it from just the thumbnail.