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Topic: "I don't like the theme." and how you can help.

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morningstar2143 said:
Just make a new link at the top of the screen that says "News" and when there's an update just do what phone apps do and put a little yellow exclamation next to it.

We did that. It was there for a month. Nobody read it.

We didn't do the yellow exclamation mark, though. We might steal that.

After reading through the replies and my own I can understand the frustration that you guys are in your current predicament. I wish you and the other people working on the site the best of luck.

Not leaving the site, just wanted to leave you guys some support and remind you that you have people that root for you ~

jaser said:
I request the +Fav button look like the old one. Big white button is tacky, and the green matches where it's used elsewhere (character tags and upvoted score). (It might look better if Downloads and Size Mode were buttons also.)

Improving on that snipit :

#c-posts .fav-buttons {
	font-size: inherit;
}

#c-posts .fav-buttons-false #add-fav-button {
	border-radius: 3px;
	background-color: green;
	width: 65px;
	padding: 2px;
	border: 0;
	color: inherit;
}

#c-posts .fav-buttons-true #remove-fav-button {
	border-radius: 3px;
	background-color: firebrick;
	width: 65px;
	padding: 2px;
	border: 0;
	color: inherit;
}

This makes the +fav button green AND the -fav button red (like it used to be)

savageorange said:
This was done.

There were two news items in addition to the two forum topics.

It's clearly not the case that there was a complete lack of thought. As it turned out, maybe throwing a big notification on the landing screen as well, would have helped. Maybe being super rude and intrusive with obligatory popups in /post/index would have helped (not so sure about that one). But a reasonable effort clearly was made.

This isn't intended personally. I'm just getting tired of people coming in, and making this claim (probably also not reading the thread, since this claim has already been addressed a few times in this thread IIRC).

The new layout is not a simplification, BTW. That is, they didn't take the old UI and pare it down; they took vanilla Danbooru and built it up. I think this should be mentioned because there seems to be a perception from some people that devs actively removed stuff from the UI, and AFAIK that is false.

Agreed on the landing screen. I think it *is* planned to restore that.

I absolutely never got a notice for the redesign. Not once. So either it just never showed up or it was only shown for a small amount of time, enough for me to not see it in a timeframe where I may have not visited the site for long enough. Which is pretty dumb that that could happen at all.

And like I said in my post, just because other sites have this kind of design it doesn't mean you have to take it too. That's the whole problem with web development nowadays, where everyone takes the same base design and "adapts" it to their site, removing all kinds of features along the way for the sake of achieving the simplicity this development process aims for.

sunspot said:
Request: Can you please allow mobile browsers to request the desktop site?

The way it is currently configured, it forces mobile browsers to view the mobile site even when the desktop site is specifically requested.

This is a huge problem, especially for some accessibility stuff.

You can disable mobile mode by clicking a link in the footer.

Is there a way to bring back the ability to Filter your Favorites list? With all the stuff in it, it WAS nice being able to filter to find specific things you added in long ago, but now there doesn't seem to be any way to do that..

TonyCoon

Former Staff

asneakyalt said:
Is there a way to bring back the ability to Filter your Favorites list? With all the stuff in it, it WAS nice being able to filter to find specific things you added in long ago, but now there doesn't seem to be any way to do that..

You can do it by doing a normal tag search with fav:ASneakyAlt as one of the tags. You just can't do it on the page you get sent to by clicking "Favorites".

Genjar

Former Staff

My two main complaints are:

  • The giant e621 at the top, which forces me to scroll down some images that'd otherwise be fully visible.
  • The tag list is too hard to read, because of the spacing and font. Previously it was easy to check tags at a glance, now trying to do so only makes my eyes swim. Especially the General section. (Maybe make the post counts smaller than the tag names, that'd likely make it more legible.)

The top bar is larger on desktop for no reason.

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This is not good design, move all of this cruft under the picture or to the sidebar.
I don't want to scroll down to see the picture, this is unergonomic design.
The picture should be as high up as possible, move stuff under it or to the sidebar if at all possible.

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The two big issues as somebody using a tablet:

1) Using the search bar, incomplete and search memory are no longer a thing. I have a handful of search queries I would type the first three letters of and select from my dropdown of regular searches, and now that's not possible, requiring full typing out of 3-4 tags every time.

(Edit: fixed in the advanced settings, which I didn't know exited. That should just be a subsection of regular settings menu instead of another page, since it's not very long. Visually dividing them out on one page would be fine.)

2) scrolling down through results for had a result width of 4 instead of 3, which is too zoomed out to understand what's going t g on in more complicated images without stopping to zoom in and pan around.

Add some form of option to change how you see a post count for certain tags. For example, you have the "winged_humanoid" tag, and instead of seeing 2k posts, you can always choose to see 2,017 for an exact listing instead.

I cant search in my fave list any more it made it relay easy to find a specific pic i want to see and share

Edit: ok i can serch in my faves but i have to put favoritedby:-insert username-.. i liked it better when it was automatic

Updated

This is so so _so_ minor I know, but how come the uploader for every post isn't listed anymore even though the approver still is?

Oh my god I just saw the dmail page and all my mail is in random order, with no way to reorder it chronologically and that is *bad*

demesejha said:
Oh my god I just saw the dmail page and all my mail is in random order, with no way to reorder it chronologically and that is *bad*

Known problem, it's pending a fix.

notmenotyou said:
You can enable the compact uploading page in your advanced account settings.

As I've said at least once before, the old site was running on wishes and prayers with spaghetti code so terrible trying to fix a security exploit in dtext where html code wasn't getting properly sanitized damn near broke everything and took ages to fix. And those vulnerabilities had creeped into nearly everything. The tables that handle all the information the site needs to function (tag edit history, posts, flagging history, notes history, etc) become so big and unwieldy for the old backend that we had to actually remove functionality to allow it to keep working so people could at least browse the site.
Once upon a time it was possible to feed the tag history database a time frame and find out which tag got added or removed where by whom and when. Running a query like that last week would have put the site in a total lockdown for up to 5 minutes or more with the threat we would actually run out of ram and crash everything. We've done everything we could to optimize the old backend but still hit the point where nothing short of a full rewrite of everything would have sufficed to fix it.
We've also had to remove wildcard searches for anons because they got abused, which has made a comeback already. We had to reduce the allowed amount of search able tags from 8 to 6 for members a few years ago.
Those things have already been improved on with the new site.

Nothing of the old page is compatible with the current page anymore. We've imported everything from the old databases to the new code. We're doing a full-scale renovation because the building is basically 5 months away from collapsing, but are still trying to stay open while we renovate. Most of the renovation has actually already happened, we're now just dealing with the actual store front so things will be a bit bumpy as we push stuff around.

Once everything is done and in place as it was before we can then, finally, start offering more features without fearing to set everything on fire again. Including a working reverse image search right on our server, more tags, better controls for pages, custom backdrop for all images with transparency (so they aren't blue when they should be white), possibly new meta tags we couldn't do beforehand, and more.

We've also already recruited help with the UI, so things should go back to being more pleasant to the eye soon. We're not going to be FA and take a year to fix a line of code.

Finally, some information. If you'd have explained all of this on the main page from the start, people would've probably been more understanding. That, and putting more effort into to notifying people; a fixed banner at the top of the page, a notice on the homepage, emails, etc. would've all helped immensely at getting the word out. Like I said before, I'd have been happy to contribute actual code to the beta six months ago when it first started, but I had no idea there was ever a beta. Supposedly there was a mention in the news, but I don't recall ever seeing it (and neither do most people), possibly because we're so used to glossing over it since it rarely changes.

Just to clarify, I do agree that the site needed a rewrite. There'll of course always be people against change, but the majority of the backlash here is about the lack of communication and the premature, forced switch to a barely-usable UI. This could've gone much more smoothly if staff would've bothered to put in a little more effort into informing people. You say we had 6 months to find out about the beta, but from our perspective, you guys had 6 months to get the word out. During these 6 months of almost no feedback, did any of you stop to consider that maybe not enough people got the memo? That maybe it'd be a good idea to spread the word to more people in order to get more feedback and volunteers?

Now it's too late to go back, and I no longer have as much free time as I used to. I'm literally saving tabs that'd I'd had open before the change just so I can have something to refer to when putting together a PR.

On that note, I'd like to verify if you're even accepting PRs for this Github repository or not.

imagoober

Privileged

While I can't say I'm keen on the current setup, that's not why I'm posting here.

There is, however, one specific issue that I don't think has been covered in the 6 pages (so far) of this thread.

When there's a parent and child post set, but one of them contains terms on a blacklist, under the old UI the child picture would just be blank with "BLACKLISTED" on it. You could click on that "blacklisted" thumbnail and go to the post that otherwise wouldn't be seen due to blacklisted tags.

With the current setup, however, if the child is blacklisted, if you click the link to show child posts and have the blacklist tags (which really don't need to be expanded by default, as others have commented) enabled, it doesn't show anything. You have to disable the blacklist, and then get shown the full thumbnail.

(As for why I would want to see the blacklisted posts, if I'm editing the non-blacklisted post's tags, I generally try to carry over any new tags that also apply to the blacklisted image, for the sake of other members who do wish to see such content.)

notmenotyou said:
We did that. It was there for a month. Nobody read it.

We didn't do the yellow exclamation mark, though. We might steal that.

It seems like you are the only one able to give us info on the blacklist thing.

The decision to force a blacklist on unregistered users is obviously not related to the new code.

-Could you please give us official information on why was such a decision implemented?
-Could you please let us know why the forced blacklist cannot be disabled for guests, knowig that it is technically doable?
-Coulf you please communicate with concerned users who usually browse e621 without logging in about the future of suchva feature?

I have been asking for details about this "feature" for several days, but everytime, it got ignored, and threads on the matter got locked without any reason or information.

Again, please be aware that some of us just want to browse e621 as guests, and having part of the website locked behind forced subscription feels unfair, both for user comfort and artist exposure.

Thank you in advance.

Suggestions for Desktop using mobile mode support:

Either replace animation post indicating "►" symbol on thumbnails with text that says "anim", or "webm" - or center the "►" and have text above that says "anim", or "webm". Because it's currently kinda difficult to notice the "►" symbol and impossible to know what you're clicking on.
Round the edges on thumbnails.
Move the "Account Posts Comments Artists Tags Blips Pools Sets Wiki Forum Discord Help More »" bar next to the "e621" logo as there's a lot of empty/wasted space there.
Round the edges on buttons like the "previous" and "next" page, as well as the "Account Posts Comments (etc.)" bar.
Re-add the "Previous" and "Next" text on the corresponding buttons, so they become bigger, as they're difficult to click on.

Resize the pool bar to fit above the tags, and under the search bar, in the sidebar on images instead of having it across the top of the entire image, as it's difficult to notice and annoying to use.
Move "Change Size" back under options in the sidebar on images.
Move the massive "Fav+" button replacing the "Favorite" text. It's redundant and a waste of resources to have 2 ways to favorite an image.
Double-clicking a webm on a post should "fullscreen" it.
Add option to always have webms be "Scaled To Fit", or "Original Size".
Add option to have webms "Scale to fit" after exiting "fullscreen" mode.

Either stretch or center banner ads in thumbnail- and post view horizontally, or let there be 2 banner ads in thumbnail- and post view, as there is room for it - or do something else with that empty/wasted space, could potentially place the pool bar there.

Re-add the theme select.

Edit: Just had an experience with the upload system. A couple of recommendations:
Make it so that only certain tags can be put in certain areas, because I found it to be way easier to just dump all tags that wasn't <Artist_Name> in the "Other Tags" window than to try and figure out what tags would classify as Body Type but not Character and vice versa, as any tag could potentially be put anywhere.

A way to "chain" images that belong to a set/collection/comic, be it with nodes or whatnot, that makes it so that you can upload multiple images with the option to set tags that are common across all images (examples would be <Artist_Name>, <Conditional_DNP>, <Comic>, and <Copyright>), along with tags that are common across certain images (examples would be <Species>, <Year>, <Resolution>, <Source>, <Character_Name> <Dialogue>, <Colour>, <Background>, <Text>, and <Language>), as well as set the order in which the images are to be uploaded, and when they get uploaded, they get automatically added to a pool.

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notmenotyou said:
We did that. It was there for a month. Nobody read it.

We didn't do the yellow exclamation mark, though. We might steal that.

So I pulled up one of my old tabs and uh, gee, I wonder why nobody noticed the news update. Maybe because there's no way to see when there's a new update, unless you memorize when the last news update was posted.

Hell, even when you expand it, there's only a small mention about a beta 'nearing completion' (yeah, it's looking very """complete""" guys). No big warning that, hey, we're about to switch the entire site over to a new system in less than a month. "A few changes and calls for help" is the biggest understatement of the year; good lord, were you trying to downplay it? Any normal user that saw this would just think "oh cool, there's going to be an option to test out a new beta version of the site soon." This is the kind of thing that should be announced in big, bold letters, not passively mentioned in a collapsed news blurb. But nah, it's 95% of the userbase's fault for not expecting this.

abscondler said:
So I pulled up one of my old tabs and uh, gee, I wonder why nobody noticed the news update. Maybe because there's no way to see when there's a new update, unless you memorize when the last news update was posted.

Hell, even when you expand it, there's only a small mention about a beta 'nearing completion' (yeah, it's looking very """complete""" guys). No big warning that, hey, we're about to switch the entire site over to a new system in less than a month. "A few changes and calls for help" is the biggest understatement of the year; good lord, were you trying to downplay it? Any normal user that saw this would just think "oh cool, there's going to be an option to test out a new beta version of the site soon." This is the kind of thing that should be announced in big, bold letters, not passively mentioned in a collapsed news blurb. But nah, it's 95% of the userbase's fault for not expecting this.

Oh jeez, that's what the news tab said, huh? Yeah, no wonder I had no clue a beta was even out... With how infrequently I saw that date on the news tab change, I don't think it even computed in my head that something was different. If the last update was July 3rd like that says, then... yeah, nothing noteworthy seemed to happen often enough to check frequently. It really could have been shown a bit more clearly.

Buuuut, nothing we can do about it now. This is the new site, so no sense dreading over everything and just wait for some fixes. Definitely something to note for next time there's any big changes though, and I hope the team takes a few extra measures to get the word out. I'm looking forward to the fixes either way, hopefully the back-end changes are working as the staff hoped!

abscondler said:
So I pulled up one of my old tabs and uh, gee, I wonder why nobody noticed the news update. Maybe because there's no way to see when there's a new update, unless you memorize when the last news update was posted.

If you click Dismiss on the news banner, it disappears until a new news item is added. That way, when you see the news banner appear, that means there's a new update to read.

I put my main issues into it's own post in hopes it wouldnt be completed flooded out.
https://e621.net/forum_topics/25823

Also, I saw the announcements/notifications about the redesign coming, but I assumed it was only *design* changes since it was a re-*design*. As I mentioned in my post, if it were only visual changes then I'd have no issues with things especially since I have the liberty to change anything I really dislike using userscripts/CSS. I wont re-type it all here but my main issue are the changes to sets.

imagoober said:

When there's a parent and child post set, but one of them contains terms on a blacklist, under the old UI the child picture would just be blank with "BLACKLISTED" on it. You could click on that "blacklisted" thumbnail and go to the post that otherwise wouldn't be seen due to blacklisted tags.

With the current setup, however, if the child is blacklisted, if you click the link to show child posts and have the blacklist tags (which really don't need to be expanded by default, as others have commented) enabled, it doesn't show anything. You have to disable the blacklist, and then get shown the full thumbnail.

All that said, I have made the suggestion that we get a new field for the news to allow us adding a sort headline to the collapsed bar to better grab the attention, would that help you to see that the news is actually new?

This is known to us, and will be fixed. The blacklisted child post should not be fully hidden like that.

abscondler said:
So I pulled up one of my old tabs and uh, gee, I wonder why nobody noticed the news update. Maybe because there's no way to see when there's a new update, unless you memorize when the last news update was posted.

motherofech said:
Oh jeez, that's what the news tab said, huh? Yeah, no wonder I had no clue a beta was even out... With how infrequently I saw that date on the news tab change, I don't think it even computed in my head that something was different. If the last update was July 3rd like that says, then... yeah, nothing noteworthy seemed to happen often enough to check frequently. It really could have been shown a bit more clearly.

How do you people live with not dismissing the news banner the moment it crops up? There is a big, fat dismiss button to make it go away permanently until a new one shows up, so that this intentionally annoying bar goes back to the underworld where it belongs, and is only visible when something new is actually written in there.

Would it help in getting you people to clear / dismiss old news if we make the button to dismiss it more clear? Because the functionality is intended to be that it's annoying enough that it gets clicked to be read, and then dismissed. Meaning it'll only show up once we actually have something news worthy to share. It's not meant to be sitting there ignored for months with the old news.

darkshifter728 said:
Give us back the search bar in our favorites

Already planned.

notmenotyou said:
How do you people live with not dismissing the news banner the moment it crops up? There is a big, fat dismiss button to make it go away permanently until a new one shows up, so that this intentionally annoying bar goes back to the underworld where it belongs, and is only visible when something new is actually written in there.

It blends in super well with the rest of the site, especially since it's collapsible. Honestly it's the least intrusive news banner I've seen.

notmenotyou said:
This is known to us, and will be fixed. The blacklisted child post should not be fully hidden like that.

motherofech said:
Oh jeez, that's what the news tab said, huh? Yeah, no wonder I had no clue a beta was even out... With how infrequently I saw that date on the news tab change, I don't think it even computed in my head that something was different. If the last update was July 3rd like that says, then... yeah, nothing noteworthy seemed to happen often enough to check frequently. It really could have been shown a bit more clearly.

How do you people live with not dismissing the news banner the moment it crops up? There is a big, fat dismiss button to make it go away permanently until a new one shows up, so that this intentionally annoying bar goes back to the underworld where it belongs, and is only visible when something new is actually written in there.

Would it help in getting you people to clear / dismiss old news if we make the button to dismiss it more clear? Because the functionality is intended to be that it's annoying enough that it gets clicked to be read, and then dismissed. Meaning it'll only show up once we actually have something news worthy to share. It's not meant to be sitting there ignored for months with the old news.

Already planned.

[/quote]I dismissed it without reading it because just like any other popup notification I'll swipe it/dismiss it just to get it gone. Basically every 'news post' there had never had of interest to me, and therefore went years doing exactly that. Treating an entire site-wide change just like the rest of your changes was a bad idea.

On mobile it's totally clunky, not so user friendly anymore, a real nightmare to use, wish i could have the chance to use the old layout.

There's two things that I dislike about the new theme:

1. (As far as I am aware) No ability to change the site's colors. I miss having my purple background, made things comfortable to me than this stock blue. (No offense.)
2. Favorites not being searchable. I would often want to look through my favorites to find a certain picture to go and check out an artist, but I can't now 'cause all there is is a view selector that's "view, favorite, unfavorite, make a set, or remove from a set."

If these get added in an update soon, no problem, I'd be glad, but I just miss those two functions. Everything else I can get used to over time.

cutethulhu said:
There's two things that I dislike about the new theme:

1. (As far as I am aware) No ability to change the site's colors. I miss having my purple background, made things comfortable to me than this stock blue. (No offense.)

We have custom CSS option, but no themes yet. So you can have purple but, for now, only if you know enough CSS or know someone who does.
BitWolf has a good example of how to use the custom CSS in his thread.

omniscient said:
I dismissed it without reading it because just like any other popup notification I'll swipe it/dismiss it just to get it gone. Basically every 'news post' there had never had of interest to me, and therefore went years doing exactly that. Treating an entire site-wide change just like the rest of your changes was a bad idea.

I guess we do deserve this for making the news bar less obnoxious after people complained about it.

Next iteration will play vuvuzelas until it's being read, acknowledged, signed in triplicate, and officially notarized.

notmenotyou said:
I guess we do deserve this for making the news bar less obnoxious after people complained about it.

Next iteration will play vuvuzelas until it's being read, acknowledged, signed in triplicate, and officially notarized.

Confirms this site is run by butthurt faggots, figured as much.

oxion9 said:
Confirms this site is run by butthurt faggots, figured as much.

We aim to please.

Edit: But seriously, we need to find a sensible balance because the one before was objectively terrible and this one is evidently not visible enough. We'll have to see how we can solve this without having to break the site to get important things across.
Sending emails is definitely not something we want to start with, unless it's something actually time sensitive like a password breach or malware we found.

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big thanks to bitWolfy for the custom CSS, what a lifesaver

i'm not sure if these would be possible without backend changes, but two missing features that i'd really love to have back are the +/- buttons by tags to add or omit them from your current search, and being able to click the 'Blacklisted' text in the sidebar to expand/hide your blacklisted tags.

mehmeh said:
big thanks to bitWolfy for the custom CSS, what a lifesaver

i'm not sure if these would be possible without backend changes, but two missing features that i'd really love to have back are the +/- buttons by tags to add or omit them from your current search, and being able to click the 'Blacklisted' text in the sidebar to expand/hide your blacklisted tags.

Both of those are planned to make a return soon. BitWolfy might be able to implement the collapsing thing, but the other will likely require a fix from us. However, we will be implementing both into the base site.

notmenotyou said:
How do you people live with not dismissing the news banner the moment it crops up? There is a big, fat dismiss button to make it go away permanently until a new one shows up, so that this intentionally annoying bar goes back to the underworld where it belongs, and is only visible when something new is actually written in there.

For me it never actually dismissed the banner, it reappeared every time I loaded e621 (although I'm pretty sure that's because I use a VPN when visiting these websites). Not that it really matters now with the new update.

1. I miss the ability to search directly from the favorites section. With this new theme I have to go out to posts and type out all of my search tags whereas before I could go into my favorites and search in there, it would automatically input the search tag necessary to limit the results directly from my favorites themselves.

2. The Favorite button is now no longer a large, bold button which is easy to see. Now it's just plain text and requires a lot more effort to locate. I find myself asking if I have this favorited only to spend a few minutes scrutinizing the buttons on the left to find the answer eventually. On it's own this isn't a major issue but it adds up to a lot of wasted time when I have to do this for just many images.

3. There no longer exists a 'Resize Image' button as far as I can see which is a massive inconvenience when viewing images larger than my resolution. Currently in firefox I right click and select view image to get it resized properly but again, this is annoying to lose a feature that we already had.

4. Thus far I've not encountered any new feature personally or any benefit from the old theme. There might be some that I just don't come across, I don't ever really upload pictures for example, but right now I'm in the same boat as most people here in saying that I just want to go back to the old theme.

schwhatnow said:
3. There no longer exists a 'Resize Image' button as far as I can see which is a massive inconvenience when viewing images larger than my resolution. Currently in firefox I right click and select view image to get it resized properly but again, this is annoying to lose a feature that we already had.

Are you on desktop or mobile? What version of Firefox? For me, there's a Change Size Mode (...) link/button underneath the image, which cycles through three different size modes: Sample (small easier-to-load version), Scale To Fit (original image but shrunk by the browser to fit the available width), and Original (the original image completely unscaled). Is that not there for you?

Why can we no longer see who uploaded a picture? Also, why are so many options hidden for logged out users?

Bring back the home page. It was nice to have a clean landing page to go to and not have a bunch of porn pop up when you come to the site. Also, having an image-heavy page as the first thing you come to isn't going to be great when you're using cellphone data.

abscondler said:
So I pulled up one of my old tabs and uh, gee, I wonder why nobody noticed the news update. Maybe because there's no way to see when there's a new update, unless you memorize when the last news update was posted.

Hell, even when you expand it, there's only a small mention about a beta 'nearing completion' (yeah, it's looking very """complete""" guys). No big warning that, hey, we're about to switch the entire site over to a new system in less than a month. "A few changes and calls for help" is the biggest understatement of the year; good lord, were you trying to downplay it? Any normal user that saw this would just think "oh cool, there's going to be an option to test out a new beta version of the site soon." This is the kind of thing that should be announced in big, bold letters, not passively mentioned in a collapsed news blurb. But nah, it's 95% of the userbase's fault for not expecting this.

THAT'S WHAT IT SAID????
Lmao, holy shit. No wonder nobody expected this.

notmenotyou said:
But seriously, we need to find a sensible balance because the one before was objectively terrible and this one is evidently not visible enough. We'll have to see how we can solve this without having to break the site to get important things across.
Sending emails is definitely not something we want to start with, unless it's something actually time sensitive like a password breach or malware we found.

Actually, a really good way of doing this would be re-implementing the home page. However, instead of making it identical to what it was, include recent or important news in a box underneath the search bar. Not only would this be much more visible than including it on the site et al, it would be much more unobtrusive and solve the things you're mentioning here.

A bit more clarity on whether something is extremely important or not would also work wonders. Site updates are big things, and users should be given big updates and announcements on whether they'll be happening. All in all, a homepage would help with all of these things.

EDIT: Spelling.

oldrego said:
Actually, a really good way of doing this would be re-implementing the home page. However, instead of making it identical to what it was, include recent or important news in a box underneath the search bar. Not only would this be much more visible than including it on the site et al, it would be much more unobtrusive and solve the things you're mentioning here.

The problem with that is not everyone visits the front page. Some people go right to their favorites or to specific search results and wouldn't see anything posted there. Any solution would have to be visible site-wide, rather than a specific page.

oldrego said:
Actually, a really good way of doing this would be re-implementing the home page. However, instead of making it identical to what it was, include recent or important news in a box underneath the search bar. Not only would this be much more visible than including it on the site et al, it would be much more unobtrusive and solve the things you're mentioning here.

A bit more clarity on whether something is extremely important or not would also work wonders. Site updates are big things, and users should be given big updates and announcements on whether they'll be happening. All in all, a homepage would help with all of these things.

EDIT: Spelling.

That is an embarrassingly simple yet elegant solution. Not perfect as not everybody used the homepage, but still effective, and would finally give the landing page a reason to exist beyond the memes and just being there.

I'll add this to the list of things we need, thank you.

notmenotyou said: BitWolfy might be able to implement the collapsing thing, but the other will likely require a fix from us.

Nope, sorry, not possible without javascript.

oldrego said:
Actually, a really good way of doing this would be re-implementing the home page. However, instead of making it identical to what it was, include recent or important news in a box underneath the search bar. Not only would this be much more visible than including it on the site et al, it would be much more unobtrusive and solve the things you're mentioning here.

+1 to this. Having latest site news on the homepage would be ideal for visibility, while not intruding on normal browsing experience.

voltscream said:
Welp, dark theme and hexagons are both gone, and Esix Extend is super dead for now at the very least which is a huge reason to not use the site anymore. Not only is it much less pleasing to the eye, but all the functionality (such as tracked pools, a feature I used constantly) are straight up just gone from Extend currently since it's broken in the new UI. I follow a lot of comics and such, and Extend made doing so on here 10x easier, but now that's all lost.

I find myself, much like with FA, asking the question of why it was even changed? The old UI was absolutely fine, quite good in fact. Worked just fine on my computer and my phone. The new UI doesn't do anything the old UI didn't already do, and often better, except the autofill for search that is kinda nice. Doesn't make up for how much brighter and bluer (which I'm sure is great for my sleep) a screen I have to stare at now with Bloodlust removed. So, uh, if your goal was to make me not wanna use the site anymore, well done I guess.

EDIT: Oh, and what the hell was wrong with the popular tab? I really liked being able to run back through it if I didn't check the site for a day or two, as sometimes happens.

At least with FA they still allowed you to switch back to its old theme

notmenotyou said:
That is an embarrassingly simple yet elegant solution. Not perfect as not everybody used the homepage, but still effective, and would finally give the landing page a reason to exist beyond the memes and just being there.

I'll add this to the list of things we need, thank you.

I mean the homepage was also a good place to start and not see a bunch of images you might not be into. Could probably save the weird auto blacklist going on right now. Plus, I dunno, it ws fun to choose the pic you see when you get here. That esix on the front is how I think of the site lol

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Background text of quoted text in forum posts (I'm guessing also comments and blips?) is the same as the background color of the post itself, which makes quotes hard to distinguish from the rest of the post.

I like this theme, but the fact that the theme options are missing is a let down.

notmenotyou said:

How do you people live with not dismissing the news banner the moment it crops up? There is a big, fat dismiss button to make it go away permanently until a new one shows up, so that this intentionally annoying bar goes back to the underworld where it belongs, and is only visible when something new is actually written in there.

Would it help in getting you people to clear / dismiss old news if we make the button to dismiss it more clear? Because the functionality is intended to be that it's annoying enough that it gets clicked to be read, and then dismissed. Meaning it'll only show up once we actually have something news worthy to share. It's not meant to be sitting there ignored for months with the old news.

Having the news bar up never bothered me personally, it was easy enough to just keep up and take it as part of the site layout itself. My response was pointing out that I never did dismiss the news bar at all, but it was so empty and devoid of any information that it didn't seem note-worthy to check. If the beta was so big and important, it absolutely should've been more clear, rather than just "News- Feb 12th, 2020." Little back-end changes or text changes shouldn't hold similar visual significance to an entire new site update and a beta regarding it. I know it won't make me or many others sound any better, but that's expecting way too much out of the common user.

I'm not expecting it to "play vuvuzelas until it's being read, acknowledged, signed in triplicate, and officially notarized" like you said, and it only makes me wonder what the old update bar looked like before. Perhaps some differently coloured text, or info beside the date that could say "IMPENDING SITE REWORK" or "New site redesign beta, current accepting feedback" could help. Maybe a yellow exclamation mark to help catch the eye. Just something more than only showing the date of the latest news update, like having detailed information to fill the space of that news header. I'm not sure to what degree my suggestions would be effective compared to this idea though...

oldrego said:
Actually, a really good way of doing this would be re-implementing the home page. However, instead of making it identical to what it was, include recent or important news in a box underneath the search bar. Not only would this be much more visible than including it on the site et al, it would be much more unobtrusive and solve the things you're mentioning here.

A bit more clarity on whether something is extremely important or not would also work wonders. Site updates are big things, and users should be given big updates and announcements on whether they'll be happening. All in all, a homepage would help with all of these things.

... This is a fantastic idea, and I'm glad you think so too. Since I don't use the main front page of the site and just go to my favourites, this would be an excellent way to get the news out. And as you say, it'd be a good way to make the landing page useful. Just look at F-list.net's landing page. It has access to the content and chat type you want on login, and immediately has the 2 latest news updates right there, plain to see and easily visible. That's how it should be done.

Either way though, you guys take all the time you need to iron out some things. I'm fine more or less with the new format, so I look forward to the fixes that come rolling in

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I’d at least like the option to switch back to the the old layout, especially on mobile. The previous site construction was a big part of the reason I like the site.

tezzey said:
I’d at least like the option to switch back to the the old layout, especially on mobile. The previous site construction was a big part of the reason I like the site.

It's been said that it can't and won't happen, so we'll just have to wait for the kinks to be ironed out

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incompetent_croc said:
At least with FA they still allowed you to switch back to its old theme

Actually, yeah, wow. I never thought I'd say FA handled an update better than e6 but this is the world we live in now. I can say with absolute certainly my will to use the site has dropped massively with this update.

Is the "drawn by" thing going to be removed from the text in browser tabs? That just takes up unnecessary space and makes it harder to identify which tab is which.

newdesignproblems said:
Is the "drawn by" thing going to be removed from the text in browser tabs? That just takes up unnecessary space and makes it harder to identify which tab is which.

+1

I think s/drawn by/,/ would be reasonable, it doesn't have to be 100% unambiguous IMO.

watsit said:
If you click Dismiss on the news banner, it disappears until a new news item is added. That way, when you see the news banner appear, that means there's a new update to read.

Sure, if you're logged in and not browsing in a private window... Which happens to be the opposite of how most people use porn websites.

savageorange said:
+1

I think s/drawn by/,/ would be reasonable, it doesn't have to be 100% unambiguous IMO.

It might be better to just remove the auto-generated title altogether, given the issues it creates. Additionally, "drawn by" may be an inaccurate statement anyway considering 3D art and animation is modeled, animated, and/or rendered, not drawn (and would "drawn by" be accurate if one of the listed artists is the colorist or something? it would be colored by the colorist, not drawn by the colorist).

notmenotyou said:
How do you people live with not dismissing the news banner the moment it crops up? There is a big, fat dismiss button to make it go away permanently until a new one shows up, so that this intentionally annoying bar goes back to the underworld where it belongs, and is only visible when something new is actually written in there.

Would it help in getting you people to clear / dismiss old news if we make the button to dismiss it more clear? Because the functionality is intended to be that it's annoying enough that it gets clicked to be read, and then dismissed. Meaning it'll only show up once we actually have something news worthy to share. It's not meant to be sitting there ignored for months with the old news.

Again, that only really works if you're not using private browsing or if you're logged in. Besides, a 10px-tall bar is hardly even noticeable, let alone annoying. If you started with it expanded by default and made a different color than the background, sure... But then people would just get used to dismissing it without reading it, if it frequently got updated with news that doesn't concern them. And once again, even the people that did read the news blurb didn't really get a sense of urgency or importance conveyed to them with how it was worded.

Edit: A redesigned homepage containing news would probably work best, as you mentioned.

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Yeah, the existence of the beta was extremely poorly communicated. I browse without an account, and at first checked the news thing a few times. It became clear it was updated once a century with nothing of real importance, so I quickly learned to ignore it. Even if I had read it, the text it apparently had about the beta doesn't convey (at least to me) that the site is going to be changed irreversibly in short order.

I guess I can't really add anything beyond what's been previously stated, I understand the overhaul was necessary, and it could have been advertised better than it was.

I know the design is in beta and will hopefully improve, however these are the two things I find overly annoying:

  • Clicking "Download" on an image will open it in a new tab. The old style of opening in the same tab as the link meant I could merely click back to view the image information. It also didn't double the number of tabs I have open.
  • However, by far the biggest thing I dislike about the new site design is your decision to pre-blacklist selected items and require users to log in to lift it. I only ever log in when I'm going to upload something, and would much prefer the ability to choose whether or not I can view the predetermined blacklisted content without doing so. I noticed you have a "are you under 18?" popup on first view. What about following that up with one asking whether or not to make such content visible? This would allow anyone to view what they desire without needing to log in every time.

per the faq:

How do I get the old themes back?
You don't. Those are no longer compatible with the new site and had to be axed. Though we do want to bring them back one by one as soon as possible. However right now they're on the bottom of the list of things that need doing.

why? are you telling me you wrote completely new themes because you reshuffled all the html and didnt care to port over any of the themes? you also opted to nuke the splash page and instead waste bandwidth loading whatever the fuck shows up from recently submitted? believe it or not i enjoyed not being blasted with inflation, hyper, cockvore, hardvore, macro, fat, bara, lion king autism, and god knows what else shows up each time i loaded the page.

"but dude, you can blacklist things!!11!1!111!!!!!!1!"
i dont care if i can blacklist things because i dont want to be greeted with, again, god knows what magically flooding my screen. the splash page was great because id see what i searched for, not what i explicitly did not search for. at a very minimum bring back the splash page, holy shit.

Change it back.
No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback, including a news item for a month. It's also straight up impossible to change it back because of the massive incompatibilities between the old software and the new one. However, the end goal is to have the current layout prettied up that it will be as good as (or even better) than the old one.

clearly not ample enough! this is the first time ive heard jack shit about this, and im guessing the first time most of the people flocking here have heard about it, too. honest to god, who the fuck even notices the news post shit, let alone expands it and reads it? who actually opts in to site redesign betas considering how awful and unusable (and almost always irreversible) they are? youd think something as drastic as a complete site overhaul with a public beta would be a little bit more publicized than an unexpanded news header thats identical to the pointless, unimportant shitposts that have plagued the site since its inception. how could you genuinely expect people to do anything but ignore that?

i get that you guys have significantly changed your codebase, but holy shit these changes are so jarring. its not even the same site anymore, basically. like, good job with the responsiveness and technical feature changes, but holy shit, user experience is important and you guys have thrown that baby into a blender with the bathwater. for gods sake, dont leave the site as-is and call it "good enough". youve mentioned youre going to keep adding improvements and changes, so please do because the site needs them (ux/ui reversions) badly.

I only have to complaints with the sites redesign.

The first is that when the site loads up you are shown the most recent submissions. All of us have things that we just don’t want to see, that’s what the blacklist is for. However, the blacklist only works when we are logged in and in order to log in we have to go through a page that can potentially show us these things. I hope the screen with just a search bar comes back so we can login without seeing any posts.

The second is an issue I’ve been having where when opening an image or page in a new tab I keep getting the screen that asks if I’m over 18. This happens even when I’m logged in. I click yes and it goes away and shows me what I wanted but it gets annoying to need to do this every time I open something in a new tab.

^ that confirmation behaviour sounds like something about your cookies fucked up. Have you tried clearing them and logging in again?

I tried clearing my cookies but that didn’t work. I think its because I browse this website with private window. I just tried it with a non private window and the issue didn’t occur.

I miss being able to + and - tags right from the sidebar. Like if I stumbled across an artist whose style I like, but who has a lot of content I don't care for, it was a nice little time-saver to be able to just click +female, or -diaper, etc, without having to type it into the search field.

So far I am liking a lot of the changes, I particularly like the auto fill on tags its awesome and the mobile page is appreciated.
There are a few suggestion and or bug reports Id like to make though.

01) The navigation bar/page selector was much better when it was located above the search bar instead of across the top of the image, it might look Ok bellow the image as well but not sure.
02) Minor complaint but I am missing the "Popular" link on the main toolbar, having to go into the "More >>" page to access it is a bit of a pain.
03) The + & - buttons for Tags was a pretty helpful function particularity on mobile.
04) Not sure if its intentional or just happening to me but the search bar button has shifted under the search bar, it looks weird.
05) More likely a bug but when viewing the site not logged in Animated GIFs wont display unless pressing the Download or Change Size Mode button.
06) Not sure how possible it would be but id love to have a way to scale up the thumbnails, they can get really small on large res monitors.

Anyways thanks for all the hard work.

I have a request for an additional image scaling preset: Scale to fit vertically, so that a tall image fits in a browser without retreating to the sample image or having to open the image in a new tab. For instance, Paheal uses it (original image, fit width, fit height, and fit both).

Also, the settings page seems to have gotten very wide, could it have borders like the forums now have?

helloanonmyoldfriend said:
I have a request for an additional image scaling preset: Scale to fit vertically, so that a tall image fits in a browser without retreating to the sample image or having to open the image in a new tab. For instance, Paheal uses it (original image, fit width, fit height, and fit both).

Also, the settings page seems to have gotten very wide, could it have borders like the forums now have?

Hello fellow gmad dude. I would throw this idea to Bitwolfy if you want. Since he's making the unofficial tweaks. https://e621.net/forum_topics/25811

helloanonmyoldfriend said:
I have a request for an additional image scaling preset: Scale to fit vertically, so that a tall image fits in a browser without retreating to the sample image or having to open the image in a new tab. For instance, Paheal uses it (original image, fit width, fit height, and fit both).

This would be my ideal view mode.

I've just scrolled through all of the comments - admin replies included - and I've got to say, this was handled extremely poorly from the start.

I understand that this has to stay civil (even though that train has already long sailed) and I'd rather not get a strike, so I'll do my best to stay on point:

First off: Wew, the first few admin responses felt very passive agressive. The initial responses from KiraNoot and Mairo had that typical corporate "Fuck you, we do whatever we want and there's nothing you can do about it" tone Youtube and Facebook have for years, compared to the later "Here's the reason WHY we changed it, we understand your concerns and take it into account" comments NotMeNotYou has posted. Never let Kira handle the communication between fans ever again, that was horrible and only adds gasoline to the fire.

Second: Don't hide behind excuses like "You knew this was coming, we made a very obscure post in the news and put it on the forum" and snarky tones when a lot of people think the new lay-out looks like ass (which it does, and the people have the right to say it), then go "This isn't an us vs them issue" when you literally talk like the most divisve group of people in this forum log (referring to Kira and Mairo specifically). Also, I'm willing to bet over 90% of people who do (not) have an account read the news or use the forums, and there's an even smaller percentage who does so actively, so how can you expect people to know what's hip and happening when the forums are quite obscure and buried as is? I hadn't used the forums for over three years until now, so how could I have known this was coming? It's not like there was a big popup that told me there's a new, big change on the way that's irreversable and they need MY help on it - what Discord does basically -, because if so then I would've been happy to contribute.

Lastly: I'm willing to give the admins the benefit of the doubt if they actually implement many of the requested things, mine included. I'm well aware they can't just implement updates right away, but I still am quite critical over this seemingly random and, quite frankly, poorly executed site update. It's the equivalent of lighting a big field on fire, then running up with an extinguisher and going "DON'T WORRY GUYS WE'LL PUT THIS FIRE OUT EVENTUALLY" to me.

I won't stop using this site - compared to FA and so many other boorus, this is still a million times better - as it is my go-to since 2015, but do learn from what Newgrounds and Discord do for example and improve the communication with your fans to prevent a massive fucking dumpster fire such as this one in the foreseeable future.

That'll be all for now, I'll still post constructive updates in this forum on my earlier comment as I said, this was more me chucking my cents in this array of annoyed people.

tl;DR ME NO LIKE CHANGE GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR but then less inflammatory.