The bulk update request #1220 is active.

create alias jack-o_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o'_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o'_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o'_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o'_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jackochallenge (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create implication jack-o'_pose (4326) -> pose (145363)

Reason: Recently resurged meme that's gained a lot of popularity.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1220 (forum #315286) has failed: Error: Antecedent name has already been taken (create alias jack-o_crouch -> jack-o'_pose)

EDIT: The bulk update request #1220 (forum #315286) has failed: Error: Antecedent name has already been taken (create alias jack-o_crouch -> jack-o'_pose)

EDIT: The bulk update request #1220 (forum #315286) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

I wonder if it should implicate meme. While it may have gained popularity because people made a joke out of Jack-O' Valentine doing it, and it's thusly so named, it seems to be as "legitimate" pose as any. Spread legs, knees unbent, and bent over with the head/chest on the ground, resulting in being ass_up. I didn't even know it was a meme at first, I just thought it was some kind of yoga pose, a variation of downward dog or wide legged plow pose.

Perhaps there should be a "normal" tag for the pose, and a separate tag that implicates the pose and meme when it's in reference to it? Though if the meme is simply the pose, I'm not sure how you could tag it by TWYS.

I think this should also imply pose.

watsit said:
I wonder if it should implicate meme. While it may have gained popularity because people made a joke out of Jack-O' Valentine doing it, and it's thusly so named, it seems to be as "legitimate" pose as any. Spread legs, knees unbent, and bent over with the head/chest on the ground, resulting in being ass_up. I didn't even know it was a meme at first, I just thought it was some kind of yoga pose, a variation of downward dog or wide legged plow pose.

Perhaps there should be a "normal" tag for the pose, and a separate tag that implicates the pose and meme when it's in reference to it? Though if the meme is simply the pose, I'm not sure how you could tag it by TWYS.

Well, there are other cases where a specific pose can be a meme. See just_right.
Besides, this pose is rather specific and easily identifiable. It's definitely not a 'normal' pose like a character just bending forward. It's a pose that would require rather exaggerated flexibility in many cases. Usually, other ass-up poses have the characters on their knees. And like you said, it looks like a yoga pose. Yoga poses are usually rather specific and easily identifiable, however, to my knowledge, this is not a yoga pose and there is no specific name for it, or at least there wasn't before this meme got started. If you can think of another name that can describe this exact pose without multiple tags, that might work, but I don't know of any.

scaliespe said:
Besides, this pose is rather specific and easily identifiable. It's definitely not a 'normal' pose like a character just bending forward. It's a pose that would require rather exaggerated flexibility in many cases. Usually, other ass-up poses have the characters on their knees. And like you said, it looks like a yoga pose. Yoga poses are usually rather specific and easily identifiable, however, to my knowledge, this is not a yoga pose and there is no specific name for it, or at least there wasn't before this meme got started. If you can think of another name that can describe this exact pose without multiple tags, that might work, but I don't know of any.

I'm terrible at naming things, but it's name isn't really my main concern with it. It's with it being a meme and copyright tag. The only poses that are copyright tags are memes, like Just Right, which has a rather specific look to evoke a particular feeling. Even if you didn't know it was a meme, it would be relatively easy to figure it out it's some kind of joke. Whereas this Jack-O' Crouch pose comes across as... just a pose. Can be viewed from any angle for any purpose, doesn't evoke any particular feeling. It could be taken for a yoga exercise pose (which is neither meme or copyright), and is very similar to the play bow pose. Ferals in particular have a habit of doing the pose just by being ass up, so marking it as a meme doesn't seem right.

If there's a particular source image the meme is based on, I could see having a meme tag for images that are reminiscent of that source image. But simply being in that pose with no other regard doesn't seem like it should get a meme tag. We've already gone through issues relatively recently for a meme tag being used on generic concepts with no regard to a source, I don't think we need another. Without a source image, how can you tell which reference the meme and which don't?
post #2895402 post #2895335 post #2879667 post #2892240 post #2798818
(only two of those are tagged for the pose, I have no idea which ones are meant to reference a meme just by looking at them).

watsit said:

If there's a particular source image the meme is based on, I could see having a meme tag for images that are reminiscent of that source image. But simply being in that pose with no other regard doesn't seem like it should get a meme tag. We've already gone through issues relatively recently for a meme tag being used on generic concepts with no regard to a source, I don't think we need another. Without a source image, how can you tell which reference the meme and which don't?
post #2895402 post #2895335 post #2879667 post #2892240 post #2798818
(only two of those are tagged for the pose, I have no idea which ones are meant to reference a meme just by looking at them).

This is the source image: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/038/065/Jack-O_Crouch.jpg

There are other smaller details distinguishing this particular pose, however. One is the way the arms are lying flat against the ground with the elbows out to the side and one arm lying atop the other. Another detail is how the character stands on their metatarsals (obviously irrelevant for digitigrade anthros, though) and with the heels pointed outward. Another is that the chest is lying flat against the ground, unlike the third image there. For what it’s worth, I could tell right away that the second image was the pose. None of the others look like it to me. The fourth one looks like the artist was attempting to draw the pose, though the drawing isn’t particularly good, so it isn’t so obvious in that case.

watsit said:
I'm terrible at naming things, but it's name isn't really my main concern with it. It's with it being a meme and copyright tag. The only poses that are copyright tags are memes, like Just Right, which has a rather specific look to evoke a particular feeling. Even if you didn't know it was a meme, it would be relatively easy to figure it out it's some kind of joke. Whereas this Jack-O' Crouch pose comes across as... just a pose. Can be viewed from any angle for any purpose, doesn't evoke any particular feeling. It could be taken for a yoga exercise pose (which is neither meme or copyright), and is very similar to the play bow pose. Ferals in particular have a habit of doing the pose just by being ass up, so marking it as a meme doesn't seem right.

This pose definitely does not apply to ferals—it wouldn’t look the same. As for the yoga poses, yes, it looks similar to some of them. But the distinguishing factor is that none of them are actual memes, while this one is. Something that might distinguish it as a meme is the way the character’s upper body is in a very relaxed posture whereas the lower body is in an absurd stretch. You can see that reflected in the second image, and maybe the fourth as well. The original joke for this whole meme is that the character in the game, instead of crouching like how a normal video game character would crouch (bending the knees and keeping the torso vertical), “crouches” by going into this very absurd position instead. So there is an element of humor to it, though like many memes, you may have to be familiar with the source material to get it.

scaliespe said:
There are other smaller details distinguishing this particular pose, however. One is the way the arms are lying flat against the ground with the elbows out to the side and one arm lying atop the other. Another detail is how the character stands on their metatarsals (obviously irrelevant for digitigrade anthros, though) and with the heels pointed outward. Another is that the chest is lying flat against the ground, unlike the third image there.

If those details are part of the meme, then it's definitely way over-tagged already (all in the last 3 hours at that, plenty more to be found on the first page alone).

scaliespe said:
This pose definitely does not apply to ferals—it wouldn’t look the same. As for the yoga poses, yes, it looks similar to some of them.

How doesn't it look the same? I see no reason to limit poses to certain forms. If they fit the pose, they fit the pose. And given the variations I've seen with the pose among anthros, it's definitely possible for ferals to fit in.

scaliespe said:
But the distinguishing factor is that none of them are actual memes, while this one is. Something that might distinguish it as a meme is the way the character’s upper body is in a very relaxed posture whereas the lower body is in an absurd stretch.

That too would mean it doesn't currently apply to many posts with the tag. A number of them seem to have the legs at the same/similar angle to the chest, making more of a bridge pose maybe with folded arms (or look to simply be presenting themselves ).

scaliespe said:
The original joke for this whole meme is that the character in the game, instead of crouching like how a normal video game character would crouch (bending the knees and keeping the torso vertical), “crouches” by going into this very absurd position instead. So there is an element of humor to it, though like many memes, you may have to be familiar with the source material to get it.

Well, if it's going to follow that meme format rather than a generic pose, it needs some serious cleaning and control, much like that other troubled over-used meme tag. Few of the posts with the tag have their legs and torso at such an acute angle so as to invoke humor like the original, and aside from sometimes having text saying #Jack-O'Challenge, don't look like anything special to warrant anything more than a pose tag (which even among posts that specifically mention being the meme/challenge, vary wildly from each other and the source image, to the point of looking unrelated).

It doesn't help that we now have people trying to tag "meme" and "guilty gear" on posts that have a vaguely similar pose, made well before the meme struck back in 2019 (the sources make no mention of any meme either, at most just saying it's yoga stretching). In fact, there's also posts like this one posted years ago and was originally tagged yoga and downward dog, until some people came by in the last few days to add jack-o'_crouch_pose, guilty_gear, and meme (the source again making no mention of the meme or character/game, but does mention "yoga" in its tags with a very yoga-esque title of "Finding Your Center"). If it's that similar to yoga stretching that it can be so easily confused for it, and people draw it in a way that's so wildly different from the meme source, it shouldn't implicate meme.

I'll remove the meme bit for now. The meme specifically includes the folded arms, but it's still a tag-worthy pose without that. Until we can figure out a way to separate that, the implication won't be worthwhile.

furrin_gok said:
I'll remove the meme bit for now. The meme specifically includes the folded arms, but it's still a tag-worthy pose without that. Until we can figure out a way to separate that, the implication won't be worthwhile.

Should remove it from being Copyright too, since poses in general aren't put under Copyright if they're not for some meme. If it's cleaned up for meme status later, it can be changed then.

watsit said:
Should remove it from being Copyright too, since poses in general aren't put under Copyright if they're not for some meme. If it's cleaned up for meme status later, it can be changed then.

Hadn't even thought that it wouldn't be copyright anymore, taken care of that.

watsit said:
If those details are part of the meme, then it's definitely way over-tagged already (all in the last 3 hours at that, plenty more to be found on the first page alone).

How doesn't it look the same? I see no reason to limit poses to certain forms. If they fit the pose, they fit the pose. And given the variations I've seen with the pose among anthros, it's definitely possible for ferals to fit in.

That too would mean it doesn't currently apply to many posts with the tag. A number of them seem to have the legs at the same/similar angle to the chest, making more of a bridge pose maybe with folded arms (or look to simply be presenting themselves ).

Well, if it's going to follow that meme format rather than a generic pose, it needs some serious cleaning and control, much like that other troubled over-used meme tag. Few of the posts with the tag have their legs and torso at such an acute angle so as to invoke humor like the original, and aside from sometimes having text saying #Jack-O'Challenge, don't look like anything special to warrant anything more than a pose tag (which even among posts that specifically mention being the meme/challenge, vary wildly from each other and the source image, to the point of looking unrelated).

It doesn't help that we now have people trying to tag "meme" and "guilty gear" on posts that have a vaguely similar pose, made well before the meme struck back in 2019 (the sources make no mention of any meme either, at most just saying it's yoga stretching). In fact, there's also posts like this one posted years ago and was originally tagged yoga and downward dog, until some people came by in the last few days to add jack-o'_crouch_pose, guilty_gear, and meme (the source again making no mention of the meme or character/game, but does mention "yoga" in its tags with a very yoga-esque title of "Finding Your Center"). If it's that similar to yoga stretching that it can be so easily confused for it, and people draw it in a way that's so wildly different from the meme source, it shouldn't implicate meme.

Yes, I agree it really needs to be cleaned up, since many posts do not correctly follow the pose. As for the last one you gave, even if it was made before the meme, the fact that it follows the meme format precisely would mean that it’s still a perfectly relevant result if you’re searching for the Jack-O Pose (whereas many of the others you provided are definitely not relevant even though they have the tag), so I don’t see that being an issue. If it is an issue, though, we could still remove those and keep the meme tag on only the images created after the meme started. Currently, however, it is the only tag we have that accurately describes that exact pose, and in fact, that post was incorrectly tagged with downward_dog. Downward dog requires that the hands be flat against the floor, and the torso not touching the floor. So, it probably shouldn’t be tagged as a yoga pose since that’s not actually a real yoga pose.

Regardless, cleanup shouldn’t take too long since there aren’t more than a couple hundred uses of this tag so far. Better to clean it up and use it correctly than to ditch it altogether, as I do think it’s a legitimate tag if used correctly following the source material.

My suggestion for cleanup is as follows: only posts following the exact pose (or maybe with very insignificant variations so that the pose is still recognizable) get the tag, and all the ones with the character up on their elbows or the legs not very far apart get the tag removed. OR, the post has to feature the character attempting and failing to do the pose, ie. by straining or falling over, as a big part of the meme includes photos of people attempting to do the pose IRL and usually failing, since it’s not very practical unless you’re flexible. That also has to do with the meme/humor aspect of it, but of course, even in this case, it should still be obvious that this exact pose was being attempted; ie. not just an image of the character collapsed on the ground, or a character not actually failing to do the pose, but simply doing the pose incorrectly and with #jackochallenge written on the image like the example you provided. Those would ideally get culled from the tag as well.

furrin_gok said:
I'll remove the meme bit for now. The meme specifically includes the folded arms, but it's still a tag-worthy pose without that. Until we can figure out a way to separate that, the implication won't be worthwhile.

We should probably implicate pose while we’re at it. Regardless of whether or not we’re going to call this a meme, it is definitely a pose.

scaliespe said:
As for the last one you gave, even if it was made before the meme, the fact that it follows the meme format precisely would mean that it’s still a perfectly relevant result if you’re searching for the Jack-O Pose (whereas many of the others you provided are definitely not relevant even though they have the tag), so I don’t see that being an issue.

For a pose tag, sure. I don't argue about having a tag for the pose since I guess it's different enough from downward dog and play bow pose and the like. But as a meme tag, I have a bit of an issue with. It's obvious to me that it's already gone through a few rounds of the telephone game (artists making their interpretation based on other artists' interpretations, who based theirs on other artists', etc) and it now looks more like generic yoga stretches, instead of what Jack-O' actually does that sparked everything off in the first place. If pre-meme or otherwise-unrelated art can be so easily confused for the meme, that's a signal to me that it's too non-specific to be properly tagged as the meme.

watsit said:
For a pose tag, sure. I don't argue about having a tag for the pose since I guess it's different enough from downward dog and play bow pose and the like. But as a meme tag, I have a bit of an issue with. It's obvious to me that it's already gone through a few rounds of the telephone game (artists making their interpretation based on other artists' interpretations, who based theirs on other artists', etc) and it now looks more like generic yoga stretches, instead of what Jack-O' actually does that sparked everything off in the first place. If pre-meme or otherwise-unrelated art can be so easily confused for the meme, that's a signal to me that it's too non-specific to be properly tagged as the meme.

But what’s the point of the meme tag anyway? To identify meme-related posts, yes? This is a meme, and quite a popular one at that. The fact that a few pre-existing posts follow the meme format is merely a coincidence, but it doesn’t make the current meme any less a meme. I understand the objections, but it seems illogical to have a bunch of meme posts and not tag them with meme, at least insofar as they are actually directly referencing the meme.

Perhaps it wouldn’t be too much to consider having two separate tags. One for the meme itself, only to be used when the meme is being directly referenced in some way, and another tag that simply describes the pose. jack-o'_pose for the pose and jack-o'_challenge for the meme, perhaps. There are also a number of images that are part of this meme that depict characters attempting to do the pose and failing, which would probably be a good use case for the meme tag but not the pose tag, and vice versa for posts that are just the pose with no other relation to the meme.

Is there any way we could Tag Meme along with this too, Dood?
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scaliespe said:
But what’s the point of the meme tag anyway? To identify meme-related posts, yes? This is a meme, and quite a popular one at that. The fact that a few pre-existing posts follow the meme format is merely a coincidence, but it doesn’t make the current meme any less a meme.

As far as tagging goes, I'd argue otherwise. Yes it's a meme in the social sense, like any other -Challenge or -Day that happens to spread by some amount, but tagging-wise it's a bit more specific. As you can only tag what you see*, you can tag the things you see in the image that are also in the meme (i.e. the pose), but unless something you see can only be a reference to a meme, it shouldn't be tagged as meme, as it would otherwise rely on knowing whether the artist intended to reference the meme or not, which violates TWYS.

As an example, let's take #TFEveryday. It's a meme someone started a while back about making transformation-related art on any day of the week, as a response to the #TFTuesday meme for making TF art only on Tuesday. It caught on, and now there's lots of artists that make lots TF art for #TFEveryday. However, people have made TF art before the meme started, and people can still make TF art without realizing #TFEveryday is a thing. You can tag transformation on such posts since it has transformation, but TFEveryday meme art is otherwise indistinguishable from other non-meme art with TF so isn't also tagged meme, even when the artist says it's for the meme.

It's a similar thing here. As I said before, I don't think the pose alone should warrant a meme tag since it's a loosely defined pose that's been done before the meme, and the meme has been warped to no longer be the unique impractical-bordering-impossible pose of the original sprite, or have the contextual silliness that helped to make it funny in the first place. Since the meme has become a more loosely-defined pose, you can't visually separate posts intended to reference the Jack-O' pose meme from others being a similar non-meme stretches, so you can't tag meme by TWYS.

(*) Yes there are exceptions to TWYS, most relevantly being Lore tags. But, unless you'd also push for the inclusion of TFTuesday, ZangooseDay, Smaugust, and a whole host of other non-distinguishing memes to be lore tags, that won't work (and even if you would push for them, they don't seem to be the kind of things the admins would be keen on having).

scaliespe said:
Perhaps it wouldn’t be too much to consider having two separate tags. One for the meme itself, only to be used when the meme is being directly referenced in some way, and another tag that simply describes the pose. jack-o'_pose for the pose and jack-o'_challenge for the meme, perhaps.

Well, I did initially suggest having a separate tag for the meme, which can implicate the pose and meme tags. But if you can't visually distinguish the pose from the meme, that wouldn't be practical. At best you could curate the meme tag to only include images that are actually like the Jack-O' crouch sprite that spawned the meme (i.e. not most of what has the jack-o'_crouch_pose tag here), though I question whether there'd be much left after that to make the tag worthwhile.

furrin_gok said:
The bulk update request #1220 is active.

create alias jack-o_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o'_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o'_crouch (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack-o'_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jack_o'_crouch_pose (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create alias jackochallenge (0) -> jack-o'_pose (4326)
create implication jack-o'_pose (4326) -> pose (145363)

Reason: Recently resurged meme that's gained a lot of popularity.

Is the ' (apostrophe) an acceptable unicode on a tag?

sieghelm_lockayer said:
Is the ' (apostrophe) an acceptable unicode on a tag?

The ' is not a Unicode character, so it is valid. However, similar characters (like ’, for example) might not be accepted.

watsit said:
As far as tagging goes, I'd argue otherwise. Yes it's a meme in the social sense, like any other -Challenge or -Day that happens to spread by some amount, but tagging-wise it's a bit more specific. As you can only tag what you see*, you can tag the things you see in the image that are also in the meme (i.e. the pose), but unless something you see can only be a reference to a meme, it shouldn't be tagged as meme, as it would otherwise rely on knowing whether the artist intended to reference the meme or not, which violates TWYS.

As an example, let's take #TFEveryday. It's a meme someone started a while back about making transformation-related art on any day of the week, as a response to the #TFTuesday meme for making TF art only on Tuesday. It caught on, and now there's lots of artists that make lots TF art for #TFEveryday. However, people have made TF art before the meme started, and people can still make TF art without realizing #TFEveryday is a thing. You can tag transformation on such posts since it has transformation, but TFEveryday meme art is otherwise indistinguishable from other non-meme art with TF so isn't also tagged meme, even when the artist says it's for the meme.

It's a similar thing here. As I said before, I don't think the pose alone should warrant a meme tag since it's a loosely defined pose that's been done before the meme, and the meme has been warped to no longer be the unique impractical-bordering-impossible pose of the original sprite, or have the contextual silliness that helped to make it funny in the first place. Since the meme has become a more loosely-defined pose, you can't visually separate posts intended to reference the Jack-O' pose meme from others being a similar non-meme stretches, so you can't tag meme by TWYS.

There is a difference between this one and those, however, in that it is actually visually recognizable. If the character’s pose is identical to Jack-O’s pose, that is… ie. not most of the posts currently using the tag. Most of them that don’t actually resemble the original pose very closely should probably just be tagged as ass_up instead.

The tag _does_ really need to be cleaned up, seeing how many people are using the tag as a substitute for ass_up. But this shouldn’t be a reason not to imply meme - even if it remains just a pose tag, it ought to be cleaned up anyways, since it references a very specific pose that is not always matched very closely by the images using the tag. It’s just like that image mentioned earlier that I pointed out was using downward_dog incorrectly. Pose tags aren’t worth much unless they actually match the pose they describe.

As for it being loosely-defined, I don’t think it has to be. Yes, lots of people try to reference the meme by drawing a character in an ass-up position that doesn’t match the original. But as stated, I don’t think those posts should even get this tag at all. If you’re searching for jack-o'_pose, ideally, you should only get images that match the pose, just like if you searched for downward_dog. Yes, lots of posts would have to be purged, but there are still plenty who do reference the original exactly that would remain.

Well, I did initially suggest having a separate tag for the meme, which can implicate the pose and meme tags. But if you can't visually distinguish the pose from the meme, that wouldn't be practical. At best you could curate the meme tag to only include images that are actually like the Jack-O' crouch sprite that spawned the meme (i.e. not most of what has the jack-o'_crouch_pose tag here), though I question whether there'd be much left after that to make the tag worthwhile.

There are other ways to identify the meme, though, beyond the pose itself, which is, of course, the main feature. Some posts may actually reference the game or character directly, which makes an even more obvious reference to the meme, such as here: https://e621.net/posts/2894167

Perhaps we ought to disambiguate it, with jack-o'_pose (a general tag), referring to when the actual, specific pose shows up regardless of whether it's part of the meme or not, and jack-o'_meme (a copyright tag that implicates meme), referring to when the artist is specifically trying to reference the meme regardless of whether the jack-o'_pose is actually depicted. Thus, pictures from before the start of the meme would not get the meme tag but can still be tagged with the pose tag (unless the artist retcons their intentions somewhere). Also, many pictures referencing the meme don't actually depict the pose, sometimes because the artist often has a foggy idea of what the pose actually is and sometimes because they're deliberately drawing the character failing to do the pose.

scaliespe said:
There is a difference between this one and those, however, in that it is actually visually recognizable. If the character’s pose is identical to Jack-O’s pose, that is… ie. not most of the posts currently using the tag. Most of them that don’t actually resemble the original pose very closely should probably just be tagged as ass_up instead.

As said, I'd be fine with a meme tag for poses that are actually like Jack-O's original crouch pose. I'm just not sure there would actually be that much left when clearing out the ones that take it for a generic straight-legged ass_up pose, and if people would constantly be trying to tag the meme when they actually drew something more akin to downward dog, half-splits, a bridge pose, or the wide legged plow pose, it may be more hassle to keep clean than it's worth.

clawstripe said:
Perhaps we ought to disambiguate it, with jack-o'_pose (a general tag), referring to when the actual, specific pose shows up regardless of whether it's part of the meme or not, and jack-o'_meme (a copyright tag that implicates meme), referring to when the artist is specifically trying to reference the meme regardless of whether the jack-o'_pose is actually depicted.

I don't think we should be tagging memes based on whether the artist tried to reference the meme or not while producing something more generic looking. Either it looks like the meme or it doesn't, otherwise you can make the same argument for anything else; inktober, no-nut-november, iron artist, etc.

watsit said:
As said, I'd be fine with a meme tag for poses that are actually like Jack-O's original crouch pose. I'm just not sure there would actually be that much left when clearing out the ones that take it for a generic straight-legged ass_up pose, and if people would constantly be trying to tag the meme when they actually drew something more akin to downward dog, half-splits, a bridge pose, or the wide legged plow pose, it may be more hassle to keep clean than it's worth.

I don't think we should be tagging memes based on whether the artist tried to reference the meme or not while producing something more generic looking. Either it looks like the meme or it doesn't, otherwise you can make the same argument for anything else; inktober, no-nut-november, iron artist, etc.

That's a large list of related poses. And chance thumbnails can be used into the wiki to clarify what's what? A visual guide always helps to know the difference between things.

furrin_gok said:
That's a large list of related poses. And chance thumbnails can be used into the wiki to clarify what's what? A visual guide always helps to know the difference between things.

I don't feel like people will be checking the wiki and doing pose comparisons before tagging a meme pose. Considering what happened with a cat is fine too, it's likely people will just tag it when they think it's relevant or because they find it funny, regardless of what the wiki says (and the cat tag was being misused despite the warning that the tag would get deleted with continued misuse).

watsit said:
As said, I'd be fine with a meme tag for poses that are actually like Jack-O's original crouch pose. I'm just not sure there would actually be that much left when clearing out the ones that take it for a generic straight-legged ass_up pose, and if people would constantly be trying to tag the meme when they actually drew something more akin to downward dog, half-splits, a bridge pose, or the wide legged plow pose, it may be more hassle to keep clean than it's worth.

Like most memes, I’m sure this one will have a period of popularity and gradually taper off. I don’t think it’ll be a continuous serious tagging project in the long run.

I don't think we should be tagging memes based on whether the artist tried to reference the meme or not while producing something more generic looking. Either it looks like the meme or it doesn't, otherwise you can make the same argument for anything else; inktober, no-nut-november, iron artist, etc.

I’d agree with that. I think, if we have a meme tag and a pose tag separately, the meme tag should only be applied when the meme or source material is being referenced, and the pose only when the exact pose is visible. That way, images such as those where the character is failing to do the pose can at least get the meme tag, but not the pose.

watsit said:
I don't feel like people will be checking the wiki and doing pose comparisons before tagging a meme pose. Considering what happened with a cat is fine too, it's likely people will just tag it when they think it's relevant or because they find it funny, regardless of what the wiki says (and the cat tag was being misused despite the warning that the tag would get deleted with continued misuse).

A wiki would help with manually adding the meme tag at least.

The bulk update request #1220 (forum #315286) has failed: Error: Antecedent name has already been taken (create alias jack-o_crouch -> jack-o'_pose)

The bulk update request #1220 (forum #315286) has failed: Error: Antecedent name has already been taken (create alias jack-o_crouch -> jack-o'_pose)

The bulk update request #1220 (forum #315286) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #1269 is active.

change category jack-o'_pose (4326) -> general

Reason: The jack-o'_pose tag got erroneously changed to the Copyright category, seemingly because one of the aliases in the previous BUR auto-changed its type, when pose tags are normally in the General category. This simply fixes that.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1269 (forum #315923) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #1269 (forum #315923) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

I glossed over all this, I just want to know if Jack-o'_pose is finally in the copyright section for being a meme?

closetpossum said:
I glossed over all this, I just want to know if Jack-o'_pose is finally in the copyright section for being a meme?

The post right before yours removed it from the copyright category.

scaliespe said:
The post right before yours removed it from the copyright category.

what!? NOOOOO, bro wtf?

closetpossum said:
what!? NOOOOO, bro wtf?

Poses are not copyrights. This is a particular pose moreso than a meme--many images drawn are purely referencing the pose, not the context.