Implicating greone → nmeto
Link to implication

Reason:

Nme = Nmeto is the actual artist. Greone is the copyright he posts under but is many times mistaken to be the artists name. So now when people tag the "Greone" it automatically adds the correct artist tag

If your suggesting an alias from nme -> nmeto, wouldn't it make more sense to implicate nmeto instead?

parasprite said:
If your suggesting an alias from nme -> nmeto, wouldn't it make more sense to implicate nmeto instead?

I'm not, I have it this way because there are posts already under the nme tag. If I had it linked directly to the nmeto tag it would miss those posts already under nme. So to rectify that I submitted an alias for Nmeto so now when someone tags Nme it automatically replaces with Nmeto without missing any posts.

So in the grand scheme it works like this= Someone tags "greone" (most likely scenario) it automatically implies "nme", when that happens the site automatically recognizes it as an alias and switches it with "nmeto"
On the other hand if someone tags "nmeto" it automatically implies "greone"
or
If someone tags "nme" it gets recognized as an alias and replaces it with "nmeto" which will then automatically imply "greone"
Thus covering all basis in tagging and posts of the artists content.

I agree with parasprite. If you're asking for a name to get aliased away, then ask for the implication to imply the new tag, not the old one, or else you risk creating a ghost tag.

Furrin_Gok said:
I agree with parasprite. If you're asking for a name to get aliased away, then ask for the implication to imply the new tag, not the old one, or else you risk creating a ghost tag.

I'm still literally cleaning up fæces.

Furrin_Gok said:
I agree with parasprite. If you're asking for a name to get aliased away, then ask for the implication to imply the new tag, not the old one, or else you risk creating a ghost tag.

I disagree with both of you, this is more efficient because if I just implied to the new tag then all the posts under nme wouldn't be covered and if anyone added to the nme tag in the future not knowing the proper tagging name then it wont get noticed until someone cares...which on this site may take a while. Besides I don't want to do what parasprite is doing:

parasprite said:
I'm still literally cleaning up fæces.

Actually going post by post to clean up a tagging mess. I would have to be mommy to the tag and not only clean it manually but check routinely for any future uses of the tag to and correct it. I'd rather use the site tools to do most of the work for me automatically and use them to max their efficiency, I mean what site tools for if not to make site managing, using and navigation easier and more efficient?

Blackphantom770 said:
I disagree with both of you, this is more efficient because if I just implied to the new tag then all the posts under nme wouldn't be covered and if anyone added to the nme tag in the future not knowing the proper tagging name then it wont get noticed until someone cares...which on this site may take a while. Besides I don't want to do what parasprite is doing:

What Parasprite is doing is cleaning up the Ghost Tags that were made because an implied tag got aliased--Those tags aren't supposed to show up, but when the implication is aliased away, it happens.

Actually, Parasprite and Furrin_Gok are correct. This is because the site checks for aliases first, then it checks for implications after. If an implication is to an old version of the tag, it undoes the work of the alias by adding back the old tag when it processes the implication. For instance, at one point pooping was implicated to --> fæces instead of feces. After every edit, the system would process the alias of fæces to --> feces. But then it would go "oh wait, the implication says 'fæces' should still be on there" and add it back on. So then you end up with an image that has all three tags instead of just two. So because computers aren't as smart as humans and can't adapt when something is out of exact order or close enough, all implications have to be moved from an aliased-away tag to the active version of the tag or else it misbehaves. So if this implication was passed and the alias was also passed...Then I will have to manually make sure the implication goes to the actual version of the tag instead of the aliased away version. You would probably get an automated notice saying that it was deleted with a note attached to say that I was moving to implicate the correct tag. At this point, I'll probably fix it manually if both get approved in about a week or so (to give it time to be discussed if needed.) But just to keep in mind for future.

I mean, I can see your logic, but it has to be a certain way for the site to display it properly on the tags. If it were a human, either way of doing it would probably work because both ways make sense to people. But computers are more fickle, and need things to be arranged in a precise order, or else they make bad decisions and don't behave as expected. That's just the way it goes.

furrypickle said:
Good Points

Ok then, can you have it implied to nmeto the current tag and I can take care of the rest?

furrypickle said:
stuff

also, how can you tell if the decision to have this put through has been passed, declined, or pending? They don't really make it clear other than it being an orangish color but no clearly marked label telling you what status it's in

Blackphantom770 said:
Ok then, can you have it implied to nmeto the current tag and I can take care of the rest?

Yep, when I review this suggestion in a week or so and decide whether to approve or deny it, I'll fix it then so that it goes to the right place. But you're going to have to be patient. Not everyone is on e621 every day. I try to give new implications/aliases a week or so before finalizing a decision on them so that there's time for people to discuss or bring up any factors they think are important about it. A lot of times things seem cut-and-dried but aren't. It's good to make sure nothing comes up that needed factored in first, within reason.

Blackphantom770 said:
also, how can you tell if the decision to have this put through has been passed, declined, or pending? They don't really make it clear other than it being an orangish color but no clearly marked label telling you what status it's in

If you're talking about this page: https://e621.net/tag_implication and https://e621.net/tag_alias then all of the ones that are orangeish-red are Pending. The site shows those first by default. You can either click enough pages back or use the filter/search options near the top of the page to show "approved". The ones which have been approved are the same color as the background instead of the orangey-red color of Pending, so the actual color will depend on which theme you use to browse with (Hexagon, Bloodlust, Serpent, etc). Ones that are deleted/denied are removed from that page entirely, but an automatic notification is sent to the person who suggested it, letting them know it's been deleted and any reason the admin cared to say of why.

If it's me who processes it (and it often is) then I usually leave a note on the forum thread to publicly say whether it was approved/denied, and any changes that were made and sometimes why. Just because I think it leaves a good record and a lot of people find it useful to know what happened after it all was said and done.

furrypickle said:
Yep, when I review this suggestion in a week or so and decide whether to approve or deny it, I'll fix it then so that it goes to the right place. But you're going to have to be patient. Not everyone is on e621 every day. I try to give new implications/aliases a week or so before finalizing a decision on them so that there's time for people to discuss or bring up any factors they think are important about it. A lot of times things seem cut-and-dried but aren't. It's good to make sure nothing comes up that needed factored in first, within reason.

If you're talking about this page: https://e621.net/tag_implication and https://e621.net/tag_alias then all of the ones that are orangeish-red are Pending. The site shows those first by default. You can either click enough pages back or use the filter/search options near the top of the page to show "approved". The ones which have been approved are the same color as the background instead of the orangey-red color of Pending, so the actual color will depend on which theme you use to browse with (Hexagon, Bloodlust, Serpent, etc). Ones that are deleted/denied are removed from that page entirely, but an automatic notification is sent to the person who suggested it, letting them know it's been deleted and any reason the admin cared to say of why.

If it's me who processes it (and it often is) then I usually leave a note on the forum thread to publicly say whether it was approved/denied, and any changes that were made and sometimes why. Just because I think it leaves a good record and a lot of people find it useful to know what happened after it all was said and done.

furrypickle said:
Yep, when I review this suggestion in a week or so and decide whether to approve or deny it, I'll fix it then so that it goes to the right place. But you're going to have to be patient. Not everyone is on e621 every day. I try to give new implications/aliases a week or so before finalizing a decision on them so that there's time for people to discuss or bring up any factors they think are important about it. A lot of times things seem cut-and-dried but aren't. It's good to make sure nothing comes up that needed factored in first, within reason.

If you're talking about this page: https://e621.net/tag_implication and https://e621.net/tag_alias then all of the ones that are orangeish-red are Pending. The site shows those first by default. You can either click enough pages back or use the filter/search options near the top of the page to show "approved". The ones which have been approved are the same color as the background instead of the orangey-red color of Pending, so the actual color will depend on which theme you use to browse with (Hexagon, Bloodlust, Serpent, etc). Ones that are deleted/denied are removed from that page entirely, but an automatic notification is sent to the person who suggested it, letting them know it's been deleted and any reason the admin cared to say of why.

If it's me who processes it (and it often is) then I usually leave a note on the forum thread to publicly say whether it was approved/denied, and any changes that were made and sometimes why. Just because I think it leaves a good record and a lot of people find it useful to know what happened after it all was said and done.

Oh cool I got a week. Well my original intention when I made the implication was so that once the implication was done I would go to the NME tag and just edit and refresh their tags. Once the implication was set up just a tag refresh after the change would then fix the problem and any future posters who might tag NME would be switched to Nmeto

I'm glad to see another admin doing something on this site. So far there are the coders who work behind the scenes then most admin authority I see is from NotMeNot You (O.P. glory hog) then HuskyK9 (Awesome Dude) in terms of approvals, Ippiki (Mostly posts his own stuff) and rarely Ratte. after them I barely see anyone else doing anything else besides Angel dropping the hammer on people to be banned. It's nice to see that other admin are still active and aren't either afk or nuked by NMNY's presence.

Blackphantom770 said:
Oh cool I got a week. Well my original intention when I made the implication was so that once the implication was done I would go to the NME tag and just edit and refresh their tags. Once the implication was set up just a tag refresh after the change would then fix the problem and any future posters who might tag NME would be switched to Nmeto

I can understand that, but that's not the way implications and aliases were coded to work. That method would only work in a one-time-change method, while the system we have is designed to check and correct it (if needed) every-single-time the image is edited. This keeps the image's tags up to date. But it also means if it's implicated to the old tag, it will keep adding the old tag back on no matter how many times you manually remove it. That's just the way the tool works. Short version: just means that if this is approved in a few days, the implication will be moved to go to the new tag. No biggie. Just the way things have to be in order to work properly with the way the system was designed.

Blackphantom770 said:
I'm glad to see another admin doing something on this site. So far there are the coders who work behind the scenes then most admin authority I see is from NotMeNot You (O.P. glory hog) then HuskyK9 (Awesome Dude) in terms of approvals, Ippiki (Mostly posts his own stuff) and rarely Ratte. after them I barely see anyone else doing anything else besides Angel dropping the hammer on people to be banned. It's nice to see that other admin are still active and aren't either afk or nuked by NMNY's presence.

Actually most of the admins are active. Spight and Tony are dev, so they're kept very busy but are only sometimes visible on the surface of the site. Their work though, is all over the actual site itself. DasaDevil, DragonRanger, ktkr, varka and char are all more involved in the behind-the-scenes stuff which makes sure everything stays running. So while you may not visibly see them very often these days, they are actually very active and very involved. EDF probably interacts more with admins on policy than he does on the forum, so I can kinda see how it may seem like he's not around much. But EDF's constantly in admin chat every single day handling things as they come up. And I know for a fact he's working on the site every day, handling dmails, settling situations, and doing what needs to be done. As far as I know, not a single admin is "nuked by Nimmy's presence". Nimmy does a ton of good work in various parts of the site, but he's just a hard worker. That's a very good thing. NMNY, Ippiki, Husky and me are probably the most visible admins at the moment. But rest assured, every admin on this list is doing their part to keep the site running as well as it does. This team does a ton of work every day on this site, in both visible and less-visible but all vitally important ways. I wouldn't discount that.

furrypickle said:
Divulging admin secrets

Psh, short changing yourself. You're definitely one of the most visible admins in the forums right now mister! Aside from that, I would agree with what you've said. I know nothing about what DasaDevil, DragonRanger, ktkr, and Varka do on a daily basis, but it's cool to hear they're still very active despite being so behind the scenes.

Tokaido said:
Psh, short changing yourself. You're definitely one of the most visible admins in the forums right now mister! Aside from that, I would agree with what you've said. I know nothing about what DasaDevil, DragonRanger, ktkr, and Varka do on a daily basis, but it's cool to hear they're still very active despite being so behind the scenes.

I agree with Taco :P

I wish Rainbow Dash would come back. what happened to her? She just up and poofed

Blackphantom770 said:
I agree with Taco :P

I wish Rainbow Dash would come back. what happened to her? She just up and poofed

Word on the street is that she doesn't want to talk about it and doesn't want a hug.

furrypickle said:
I can understand that, but that's not the way implications and aliases were coded to work. That method would only work in a one-time-change method, while the system we have is designed to check and correct it (if needed) every-single-time the image is edited. This keeps the image's tags up to date. But it also means if it's implicated to the old tag, it will keep adding the old tag back on no matter how many times you manually remove it. That's just the way the tool works. Short version: just means that if this is approved in a few days, the implication will be moved to go to the new tag. No biggie. Just the way things have to be in order to work properly with the way the system was designed.

Actually most of the admins are active. Spight and Tony are dev, so they're kept very busy but are only sometimes visible on the surface of the site. Their work though, is all over the actual site itself. DasaDevil, DragonRanger, ktkr, varka and char are all more involved in the behind-the-scenes stuff which makes sure everything stays running. So while you may not visibly see them very often these days, they are actually very active and very involved. EDF probably interacts more with admins on policy than he does on the forum, so I can kinda see how it may seem like he's not around much. But EDF's constantly in admin chat every single day handling things as they come up. And I know for a fact he's working on the site every day, handling dmails, settling situations, and doing what needs to be done. As far as I know, not a single admin is "nuked by Nimmy's presence". Nimmy does a ton of good work in various parts of the site, but he's just a hard worker. That's a very good thing. NMNY, Ippiki, Husky and me are probably the most visible admins at the moment. But rest assured, every admin on this list is doing their part to keep the site running as well as it does. This team does a ton of work every day on this site, in both visible and less-visible but all vitally important ways. I wouldn't discount that.

It's been 8 days, technically a week. No one else has posted any complaints and all other opinions seemed to have been stated and settled. We have all come to the agreement of the implied tag to be Nmeto with now with no objections. Soooooo...We good?

Blackphantom770 said:
It's been 8 days, technically a week. No one else has posted any complaints and all other opinions seemed to have been stated and settled. We have all come to the agreement of the implied tag to be Nmeto with now with no objections. Soooooo...We good?

Typically, he'll track down the threads who have sat for a long enough time himself, there's no need to bump it.

Furrin_Gok said:
Typically, he'll track down the threads who have sat for a long enough time himself, there's no need to bump it.

He said it usually takes a week and it's been a week. that's the only reason I asked. Most people stopped replying to this