The tag alias #62952 arm_feathers -> feathered_arms is pending approval.
Reason: Based on the 'Feather Traits' section on the feathers wiki page, it seems like feathered_x is the preferred way of tagging this.
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Topic: Tag alias: arm_feathers -> feathered_arms
Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
Do we need a body_part_with_feathers tag? If we take it to its logical conclusion (i.e. all the body materials (fur, feathers, scales, exoskeleton, etc.) and all the body parts (arm, neck, shoulder, finger, thumb, etc.)), we'd have a few too many tags for my liking.
strikerman said:
Do we need a body_part_with_feathers tag? If we take it to its logical conclusion (i.e. all the body materials (fur, feathers, scales, exoskeleton, etc.) and all the body parts (arm, neck, shoulder, finger, thumb, etc.)), we'd have a few too many tags for my liking.
I think the tag would be good if it was purposed more for arms that are feathery, rather than arms that just happen to have feathers on them. Unless there's already a tag for that.
Examples:
There are also cases like these (and most avali really) where having feathers running up the arms seems like it's a distinguishing character trait, so I can see the use of some sort of tag for that: (Although yeah it could get a bit ridiculous if other parts started being tagged as well)
post #3996506 post #3977904 post #2811177 post #3355573
Maybe as an alternative to aliasing them, they could be changed so that arm_feathers specifically refers to ^this^ sort of design, and feathered_arms for the 'not quite wings' style of arms in the other examples?
probablyspaghetti said:
Maybe as an alternative to aliasing them, they could be changed so that arm_feathers specifically refers to ^this^ sort of design, and feathered_arms for the 'not quite wings' style of arms in the other examples?
I have a feeling that would run into the same problem as *_grab vs hand_on_*. The intended distinction isn't clear, and people won't read the wikis when using them, resulting in many of the former tagged as the latter, and the latter tagged as the former.
Something like feathers_on_arms may help clarify it's for characters that have normal arms with added feathers, rather than wing-like arms/hands. Though that could maybe still be mistaken for feathers being accessories, or arms being covered by someone else's feathers, instead of an anatomical feature of feathers growing out of arms.
faucet said:
I think the tag would be good if it was purposed more for arms that are feathery, rather than arms that just happen to have feathers on them. Unless there's already a tag for that.Examples:
We already have a tag for these 'fwingers', feather_hands
probablyspaghetti said:
There are also cases like these (and most avali really) where having feathers running up the arms seems like it's a distinguishing character trait, so I can see the use of some sort of tag for that: (Although yeah it could get a bit ridiculous if other parts started being tagged as well)post #3996506 post #3977904 post #2811177 post #3355573
Maybe as an alternative to aliasing them, they could be changed so that arm_feathers specifically refers to ^this^ sort of design, and feathered_arms for the 'not quite wings' style of arms in the other examples?
Oh and this is winged_arms
cloudpie said:
Oh and this is winged_arms
Since I gave that wiki a big rewrite before (no one cares :) )... I'd rather feathered arms like that get a separate tag not listed in the wiki. In editing that wiki, I realized there was another case that didn't fit the established tags I knew about, which I'd say 2-4 of those posts fit. The intent for winged_arms was to only describe functional arms hybridized with functional wings, meaning the wings look designed for flight (or at least that shape) with actual hands. The foundation for these restrictions is that a tag's name should describe exactly its posts if possible but exclude any "near neighbor" concepts. Winged_arms = wings (yes or no?) + arms (yes or no?). Winged_arms also implicates wings, so a post with this tag better actually have wings or it's a mistag.
Little recap from the wiki:
- feather_hands - the arms have feathers for fingers. Calling these "arms" at all is questionable, but we will never know what they actually are. These are almost never wings, just slightly puffy arms with an alternative hand design. Commonly rito.
- realistic_wings - the "arms" have no hands and are just full wings. These are not arms.
- wing_claws - the wings have claws with incomplete fingers. Those advanced wing claws are not hands. Usually the "arm" part is far more narrow and bony than regular arms too. These may be used similarly to arms, but they are not arms.
Wyverns with wing_claws tend to cause confusion with winged_arms because wyverns have wings for their forelimbs that they can walk on like a quadruped (think monkeys walking with their knuckles) and might be able to grab things with, depending on the depiction. And wyverns can often fly or glide. This type of wing could perhaps use its own tag (or literally just the wyvern tag, since it is their defining feature), but just wing_claws is fine for me.
These feathers are long enough to looks like wings, even though they are just a couple feathers and really not "wings." Calling that winged_arms is least egregious of the four.
The feathers here are more convincingly arranged like wings than in the previous example, but they do not seem like functional wings. I don't like calling these wings, and therefore I don't like calling them winged_arms. The obvious counterpoint is small_wings and/or perhaps head_wings, which are pretty much never flight-capable wings but are still recognizably wings. I am not really comfortable mixing winged_arms with that kind of idea. Seems like an excuse for sloppy tagging at that point.
Again, the feathers are arranged in an attempt to mimic wings, but I am thoroughly unconvinced they can do more than push a little air. I do not want to call those wings.
These are not wings. They are a row of short, straight feathers. These are semi-common avian design flourishes, very similar to fur tufts seen on many mammal characters, especially canines... and even scalies that mimic cheek tufts with cheek_spikes. These arm feathers say "I'm a bird, here's 10% of a wing" without sacrificing the standard anthro body shape to accommodate full, awkward wings.
The last post there exemplifies the feather feature I couldn't find a name for when rewriting winged_arms. I prefer feather_arms/arm_feathers to nothing, but I don't think either are good tags and will be largely pointless tags like belly_fur. Because of how inexact they are, they encourage taggers to use this clumsy tag for everything instead of learning better, more precise tags.
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I'd accept vestigial_arm_wings as a tag name for that avian design feature, in spite of everything I said above about "not wings." It's a sensible way to interpret these things which aren't really wings but are clearly meant to imitate them.