The bulk update request #5187 is pending approval.

Reason: Mods told me "Approved: The best way to resolve all of these would be to submit a Bulk Update Request on the forum, and request mass deletion of these. That way the community can have involvement, and items can be added or subtracted from the list."

I didn't even know that was a thing, and I have no idea if I'm doing this right at all even with reading the wiki page but here is my shot at this.

My issue was user 449843, currently named Garbagios, is making up a shit ton of redundant tags and the only person using any of these tags seems to be them. The tags aren't helping anyone find anything, especially when all they're doing is adding half a dozen tags to a single image that all mean younger_penetrated. Then another dozen tags to the same image to add male and female versions of a bunch of other tags. Some of these would technically alias a couple things since all of their tagging is simply combining other tags together for no reason, but I'm not sure if I can make multiple aliases with a BUR. They are also tagging a bunch of non evolved pokemon as young and cub even though some of these posts have gone SIXTEEN YEARS without the tags. They seem to be changing tags to fit their own view of things. I don't think the BUR can fix them tagging pokemon wrong so I was kinda hoping there was an undo all on their tagging and users can fix the relatively minor decent tagging they have done while the BUR prevents them from making up more redundant tags. About half of the tags in this list they are using, the rest showed up in tag search and look absolutely useless or so few people use them they aren't doing anything other than clutter up the tags, so we might as well get rid of them/fix them. I opened this can of worms, might as well see it through. Some might be better as implications than aliases but I'd rather see what other people think first. I prefer a cleaner tag list than a bunch tags that are so specific that while yes, that is technically in this image, but no one will ever search for that so why add the tag.

There is also some other minor tag fixes along this line of reasoning. Adult_on_cub has 5.4k posts but adult_on_young only has 1.4k. Shouldn't it be adult_on_young, since all cub is young, but not all young is cub, and you can just search that and cub to get the results you want?

cub_receiving - I saw this and said, "What the hell does that mean?" Receiving what? If you go up to someone and tell them your receiving and leave it at that they're going to stare at you like your crazy because that doesn't mean anything on its own. A cub receiving oral says the tag page. Then cub and oral. Why make up another tag for this? And there's a hell of a lot more than 234 posts of cubs receiving oral so either there's a better tag or this should just go

older_on_XYZ - Just need to go. We have older_male, older_female, young/cub/baby etc. These tags are too general to be useful for searching. Just adds clutter to the tags

younger_feral - implies a bunch of other younger tags exist, such as younger_anthro, but they aren't in use.

feral_penetrating_XYZ. Human, anthro, feral, humanoid are being used a lot, but compared to the number of images tagged feral_penetrating, people dont seem to be using feral_penetrating_(male/female/gyno/andro/herm) nearly as much. Feral_penetrating_gynomorph has 15 images while feral_penetrating + gynomorph has 933. If thats what your looking for using the more specific tag is useless if everyone doesn't use it

The more I look into tags the more I see that need fixed so I'm just going to have to stop adding tags here.

Wiki page says errors should just be removed and added to the forum post so here they are. Also says 25 entries max so this is going to have to get split up.

feral_cub should be feral, cub, right? Not sure how you do that.

alphamule said:
feral_cub should be feral, cub, right? Not sure how you do that.

Yeah, wasn't sure if I can have multiple aliases for a single item.

feral_girl and feral_boy are clearly wrong, since feral_male and feral_female got aliased away. However, they clearly have demand, and there's some interest in bringing those tags back; in which case, having them as temporary tags isn't neccesarily a bad thing.

https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_dinosaur+-dinosaur+ I'll be back in a while, but this is a clear example of one that makes sense. I guess I can go through them one-by-one like this. If you aliased (or better, updated) away this feral_dinosaur tag to feral, it would have both feral and dinosaur on all 3 results, which makes sense.

I fixed feral_doll manually. Feral characters in general get tagged feral, so the doll does, too. Fun fact: Doll was already tagged. ;)

scth said:
feral_girl and feral_boy are clearly wrong, since feral_male and feral_female got aliased away. However, they clearly have demand, and there's some interest in bringing those tags back; in which case, having them as temporary tags isn't neccesarily a bad thing.

My only problem with tags like that, is it gets into reason we have dragoness aliased to dragon. Above my pay grade, to be honest. I just end up tagging both tags (female/dragon) if I see that, since that's the standard. If search was smart enough to split dragoness into two keywords (say on client end), then this would work transparently. But multiple aliases is not done for some very obvious performance reasons.

alphamule said:
My only problem with tags like that, is it gets into reason we have dragoness aliased to dragon. Above my pay grade, to be honest. I just end up tagging both tags (female/dragon) if I see that, since that's the standard. If search was smart enough to split dragoness into two keywords (say on client end), then this would work transparently. But multiple aliases is not done for some very obvious performance reasons.

See topic #39120. There is interest in tags like this, primarily because using multiple tags simply doesn't work when the image isn't solo.

scth said:
See topic #39120. There is interest in tags like this, primarily because using multiple tags simply doesn't work when the image isn't solo.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/39120?page=1#forum_post_369207 Ooooooookay, then. :P Yeah, we probably messed up with it not being implications.

Yeah, I guess I agree with faucet et al on the 'impossible' situation. I didn't see that forum post. If I'm finding myself having to manually exclude something with thumbnails, and it's only getting 1% off the results of that search being relevant, then yeah, I probably am going to add a more specific tag. See: Fetish tags that only exist on say, 25 works, but are otherwise impossible to find. This isn't exactly rabbit_on_dog (i.e. interspecies) levels of redundancy. There is a bit of balance in play. It's why I looked at that huge 6-part BUR and just.... panicked at even reading them all before it got approved/disapproved, yet alone going through them one-by-one. It was a mountain of tags that aren't all nearly as related as the card suites massive BUR I submitted! (and edited many times with other's help because yeah...)

create alias feral_cub (72) -> feral (510447)

This one would be more ideal to alias to cub imo, if we only get to alias it to one thing, it's much better that we tag it with the much more contentious topic.

create alias feral_girl (367) -> feral (510447)
create alias feral_boy (172) -> feral (510447)

Copying what I wrote on another topic: "The fate of <gender>_<form> tags are a topic that comes up regularly (most recently topic #39120) and shouldn't just be slipped into a BUR like this. They need more discussion than that."

Well, if the mods removed feral_male and feral_female don't just make up a new tag to spite them. That is NOT the right answer. Petition it like they are and it will be approved or not and that's the end of the story

faucet said:
This one would be more ideal to alias to cub imo, if we only get to alias it to one thing, it's much better that we tag it with the much more contentious topic.

Copying what I wrote on another topic: "The fate of <gender>_<form> tags are a topic that comes up regularly (most recently topic #39120) and shouldn't just be slipped into a BUR like this. They need more discussion than that."

Changed to cub, does make more sense

And if feral_male or feral_female come back feral_boy and feral_girl still gotta go. They mean the same thing. If the removal of feral_male feral_female was already approved and feral_boy and feral_girl mean the exact same thing, remove the boy and girl tag and keep whether to bring back feral_male and feral_female to its post.

scth said:
However, they clearly have demand, and there's some interest in bringing those tags back; in which case, having them as temporary tags isn't neccesarily a bad thing.

But if there's no intent by management to bring them back, these just end up lingering around for no reason. Any time someone would try to alias stragglers away, the same argument could be said, but if they never do come back no matter how long we wait, how are we to know when enough time is enough time? As Bloodreaver01 says, feral_male and feral_female are already aliased away, and making tags to get around tag invalidation is a no-no. If those tags come back, these ones can be fixed up along with all the others, but leaving them around when they're supposed to be invalid isn't the right way to go about it.

I'm not sure about this one.
create alias feral_dom_anthro_sub (4) -> feral_dominating_anthro (20)

There is a big_dom_small_sub tag already and while it isn't great, it would be consistent with that tag to reverse the alias.

wolfmanfur said:
I'm not sure about this one.
create alias feral_dom_anthro_sub (4) -> feral_dominating_anthro (20)

There is a big_dom_small_sub tag already and while it isn't great, it would consistent with that tag to reverse the alias.

feral_dom_anthro_sub and feral_dominating_anthro don't require the feral to be larger than their sub, but big_dom_small_sub does

faucet said:
This one would be more ideal to alias to cub imo, if we only get to alias it to one thing, it's much better that we tag it with the much more contentious topic.

Derp, nice catch! I went ahead and made sure that both feral and cub are on the appropriate posts from those results.

Copying what I wrote on another topic: "The fate of <gender>_<form> tags are a topic that comes up regularly (most recently topic #39120) and shouldn't just be slipped into a BUR like this. They need more discussion than that."

Yeah, I'd flip my vote on these BURs once we fix that issue. Might need to be split up/more granular BUR.

post #2299179 is not even feral... both are anthro. I guess there's a reason that I'm cleaning these up. XD Oh wait, anthrofied applies? *fixes it* anthrofied implies anthro, right?

"Shouldn't it be adult_on_young, since all cub is young, but not all young is cub, and you can just search that and cub to get the results you want?" This, 1000 times, yes! Feel the power of the hierarchy! Bonus: It's also easier to tag them before you make a judgement on the more exclusive tags in the chain.

https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_cat+-cat Done
https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_cervid+-cervid Done
https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_child+-child Done
Clothed_feral might be a better alias... Done
post #823343 post #580476 Aren't these just rubber_suits, fursuits and feral? Anyways, done with this one.
https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_cub+-cub https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_cub+-feral Done
https://e621.net/posts/3018332?q=feral_dick Someone already got animal_penis on this. https://e621.net/posts/3598353?q=feral_dick Added canine_penis. Not sure what to tag on the other species - much of the other male is off-screen although it doesn't qualify for that tag. :( BTW, inconsistent spelling of off-screen for those tags. https://e621.net/posts/3623430?q=feral_dick Already had canine_penis. Done
https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_dinosaur+-dinosaur+ Done
https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_dom_anthro_sub+-feral_dominating_anthro+ Done

bloodreaver01 said:
create alias feral_dom_anthro_sub (4) -> feral_dominating_anthro (20)
create alias feral_dominating_anthro (20) -> dominant_feral (3296)

These two don't make sense together, and will cause problems applying the BUR.

create alias feral_dominating_anthro (20) -> dominant_feral (3296)
create alias feral_dominating_female (30) -> dominant_feral (3296)
create alias feral_dominating_feral (9) -> dominant_feral (3296)
create alias feral_dominating_gynomorph (1) -> dominant_feral (3296)
create alias feral_dominating_humanoid (3) -> dominant_feral (3296)
create alias feral_dominating_male (39) -> dominant_feral (3296)
create alias feral_dominating_taur (1) -> dominant_feral (3296)

This works if we add the appropriate submissive tags. Still not sure I agree but we'll see what others say. One moment on verifying those tags.
Submissive anthro and anthro done. post #2449439 shouldn't even be female. Ambiguous submissive instead of Submissive ambiguous. Submissive female and Submissive human done (including this ). Submissive feral done. Submissive andromorph done. Submissive_humanoid done. Submissive male done. Submissive taur done.
post #4120278 This one is special. It should be looked at closer.
https://e621.net/posts/2561276?q=feral_dominating_male+-submissive_male This one, also. Needs some unknotting.

feral dominating_* -> dominant feral done. There's a lot of those where you also need to add stuff like dominant_male. I got all the missing feral tags when going through the submissive* tags.
Hmm, the smaller/bigger dom/sub tags might need some aliases? I see one tag with 12 posts that should probably be aliased away to one of the two popular ones.
post #733210 I am not sure on some of these tags.

To be fair and honest, after reviewing all those posts, I guess I agree that the feral_dominating_* tags need to go. They're special snowflakes where everyone's special. You could say it was Incredible ! :facepalm:

Doing these now.

create alias feral_equine (7) -> equine (354985)
create alias feral_girl (367) -> feral (510509)
create alias feral_boy (172) -> feral (510509)
create alias feral_head_on_anthro (5) -> feral (510509)
create alias feral_heels (81) -> high_heels (43518)
create alias feral_hips (10) -> feral (510509)
create alias feral_holding_object (7) -> holding_object (133546)
create alias feral_horse (2) -> horse (176517)

I'll do these last.

alphamule said:
This works if we add the appropriate submissive tags. Still not sure I agree but we'll see what others say. One moment on verifying those tags.
Submissive anthro and anthro done. post #2449439 shouldn't even be female. Ambiguous submissive instead of Submissive ambiguous. Submissive female and Submissive human done (including this ). Submissive feral done. Submissive andromorph done. Submissive_humanoid done. Submissive male done. Submissive taur done.
post #4120278 This one is special. It should be looked at closer.
https://e621.net/posts/2561276?q=feral_dominating_male+-submissive_male This one, also. Needs some unknotting.

feral dominating_* -> dominant feral done. There's a lot of those where you also need to add stuff like dominant_male. I got all the missing feral tags when going through the submissive* tags.
Hmm, the smaller/bigger dom/sub tags might need some aliases? I see one tag with 12 posts that should probably be aliased away to one of the two popular ones.
post #733210 I am not sure on some of these tags.

To be fair and honest, after reviewing all those posts, I guess I agree that the feral_dominating_* tags need to go. They're special snowflakes where everyone's special. You could say it was Incredible ! :facepalm:

Doing these now.

I'll do these last.

feral_equine is good
feral_horse already had horse and feral
feral_heels was easy, they all have feral and high_heels
feral_holding_object has holding_object
feral_hips didn't even mean wide_hips so I changed them one by one
feral_boy and feral_girl were mostly good, but sometimes there weren't even males/females in the pictures so thats been fixed
feral_head_on_anthro needs to go. There are too many posts that have a more bestial looking head on an anthro body that don't use this tag because its not a useful distinction. https://e621.net/posts/3132745 honestly doesn't look that much more feral than a lot of other tiger ladies

bloodreaver01 said:
feral_equine is good
feral_horse already had horse and feral
feral_heels was easy, they all have feral and high_heels
feral_holding_object has holding_object
feral_hips didn't even mean wide_hips so I changed them one by one
feral_boy and feral_girl were mostly good, but sometimes there weren't even males/females in the pictures so thats been fixed
feral_head_on_anthro needs to go. There are too many posts that have a more bestial looking head on an anthro body that don't use this tag because its not a useful distinction. https://e621.net/posts/3132745 honestly doesn't look that much more feral than a lot of other tiger ladies

Sorry, fell asleep, then had other things today. Yeah, I'll get back to it. Thanks for cleanup! feral_heels tag made no sense as a name, anyways. I guess feral_high_heels but yeah, we already have feral + high_heels. Feral hips looks like yet another tag like that. And yeah, I figured that feral_boy/girl had wrong tags, given my experience with the dominance and cub tags.
Not sure on that last one, but isn't there already a tag like that that's actually common? Semi-anthro? Not sure. That one has a HUGE tagging project on the bottom of the Wiki entry.

post #2900861 should probably be retagged. A lot of them make no sense.

post #3132745 This seems like there really, really should be a better tag. Sadly, feral_head would lead to predictable result. I mean the tag actually isn't horrible if it's for some rare thing like this, but it still somehow seems wrong, like it's not the right name. Saved this list to HDD in case there's a need to look at them again. But that tiger one looks like semi-anthro.

Links to all 6:
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3
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5
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feral_boy -young_male -young_intersex -young_female A lot of those don't look like they should be 'young'?
feral_boy -young_male -young_intersex -young_female young Oops, meant to add young to that search.

alphamule said:
feral_boy -young_male -young_intersex -young_female A lot of those don't look like they should be 'young'?
feral_boy -young_male -young_intersex -young_female young Oops, meant to add young to that search.

boy
noun
1. a male child or adolescent.

girl
noun
1. a female child or adolescent.

Even though the terms boy and girl should refer to children they're clearly just using it as a replacement for male and female for their feral_boy and feral_girl tags, which is wrong.
Male_feral and feral_male are already aliased to male, don't make up tags to get around this. If you feel strongly that they should bring them back then make a petition. Don't reword a tag that got aliased away. Especially when the wording implies something other than how you are using it.

Its another one of those tags that suddenly popped into existence 4 months ago, and not because this is a rare tag that no one has wanted to tag before.

bloodreaver01 said:
boy
noun
1. a male child or adolescent.

girl
noun
1. a female child or adolescent.

Even though the terms boy and girl should refer to children they're clearly just using it as a replacement for male and female for their feral_boy and feral_girl tags, which is wrong.
Male_feral and feral_male are already aliased to male, don't make up tags to get around this. If you feel strongly that they should bring them back then make a petition. Don't reword a tag that got aliased away. Especially when the wording implies something other than how you are using it.

Its another one of those tags that suddenly popped into existence 4 months ago, and not because this is a rare tag that no one has wanted to tag before.

Actually, that is part of the shota/loli mess. We're going to be going through them and indicating if it's actually a young male or female.

alphamule said:
Actually, that is part of the shota/loli mess. We're going to be going through them and indicating if it's actually a young male or female.

Well, I went through the females and fixed those that I found. Males looked fine though. I'm guessing you already went through those or they were already tagged right. But seeing how few are actually young they're definitely using it as a replacement for male and female, some just so happen to also be young.

bloodreaver01 said:
Well, I went through the females and fixed those that I found. Males looked fine though. I'm guessing you already went through those or they were already tagged right. But seeing how few are actually young they're definitely using it as a replacement for male and female, some just so happen to also be young.

Went through males first, so yeah... Age tags are a pain, either way. I just started using checklists and bookmarks to keep track of all this. These are the two biggest projects I've been on. It looks like the other one is doable but will take a LONG time. If each person does 1000 posts, that's 15 people, for one example of a tag with ~15K results. Even just getting them consistent and removing blatantly wrong tags is taking a while on these two. I also have a backlog of object tags I need to fix. THOSE at least are easy.

Feral child is not actually feral+child, apparently. All those are children that are 'feral' as in the mental sense, not physical like we normally tag. Yeah, I am not sure if it's because someone cleaned up all the actually feral cases. This either needs to be renamed to something less ambiguous, or removed from the BUR.

Quick checklist to verify cleanup:
feral_cat -cat Done
feral_cervid -cervid Done
feral_clothing -feral Done
feral_costume -feral This is a costume that is itself feral, haha. Done
feral_cub -feral I don't think a young feral tag will get used. :( Done (LOL I was so wrong)
feral_dick -feral Done
feral_dick -animal_penis Done
feral_dinosaur -dinosaur Done
feral_dom_anthro_sub -submissive_anthro Done
feral_dom_anthro_sub -feral_dominating_anthro Done

feral_dominating_anthro -submissive_anthro Done
feral_dominating_female -submissive_female Done
feral_dominating_feral -feral_on_feral Done
feral_dominating_feral -submissive_feral Done
feral_dominating_gynomorph -submissive_gynomorph Done
feral_dominating_humanoid -submissive_humanoid Done

feral_dominating_male -submissive_male Done
feral_dominating_male -male Done
feral_dominating_male -submissive_anthro -submissive_humanoid -submissive_human Done
feral_dominating_male -submissive_anthro anthro Done
feral_dominating_male -submissive_humanoid humanoid Done
feral_dominating_male -submissive_human human Done

feral_dominating_taur -submissive_taur Done
feral_equine -feral Done
feral_girl -young_female Well, poop. 3 pages of results.
feral_girl -young Same results, as previous line, mostly? Tagged what few I thought actually looked young. This tag seems to mean same as feral_female, with remaining posts.
feral_girl -female
feral_girl young -young_female -young_male
feral_boy -young_male/feral_boy -young In progress... Was done faster than I thought. The remaining results are obviously not applicable to young_male.
feral_boy -male Done
feral_boy young -young_male -> feral_boy young -young_male -young_female Done (both)
feral_head_on_anthro -anthro Done
feral_heels -feral Done
feral_hips -wide_hips Done
feral_holding_object -feral Done
feral_holding_object -holding_object Done
feral_horse -feral Done

I think this BUR is almost ready, too. Gonna glance through those to be sure.

alphamule said:
Feral child is not actually feral+child, apparently. All those are children that are 'feral' as in the mental sense, not physical like we normally tag. Yeah, I am not sure if it's because someone cleaned up all the actually feral cases. This either needs to be renamed to something less ambiguous, or removed from the BUR.

Quick checklist to verify cleanup:
feral_cat -cat
feral_cervid -cervid
feral_clothing -feral
feral_costume -feral This is a costume that is itself feral, haha.
feral_cub -feral I don't think a young feral tag will get used. :(
feral_dick -feral
feral_dinosaur -dinosaur
feral_dom_anthro_sub -submissive_anthro
feral_dom_anthro_sub -feral_dominating_anthro

feral_dominating_anthro -submissive_anthro
feral_dominating_female -submissive_female
feral_dominating_feral -feral_on_feral
feral_dominating_feral -submissive_feral
feral_dominating_gynomorph -submissive_gynomorph
feral_dominating_humanoid -submissive_humanoid

feral_dominating_male -submissive_male
feral_dominating_male -male
feral_dominating_male -submissive_anthro -submissive_humanoid -submissive_human
feral_dominating_male -submissive_anthro anthro
feral_dominating_male -submissive_humanoid humanoid
feral_dominating_male -submissive_human human

feral_dominating_taur -submissive_taur
feral_equine -feral
feral_girl -young_female
feral_girl -young
feral_girl -female
feral_boy -young_male
feral_boy -young
feral_boy -male
feral_head_on_anthro -anthro
feral_heels -feral
feral_hips -wide_hips
feral_holding_object -feral
feral_horse -feral

I think this BUR is almost ready, too. Gonna glance through those to be sure.

Feral_child seems to currently be used for feral human children, and since it's a behaviour, could it be applied to anthros and adults as well?

snpthecat said:
Feral_child seems to currently be used for feral human children, and since it's a behaviour, could it be applied to anthros and adults as well?

Feral_mind or something similar? I tried to find tags with names like feral_*, unsocialized, tarzan_syndrome (joke), etc. (Lord) Greystoke/Clayton effect just doesn't sound right, hehe. I went through them all and other than the feral_boy/girl tags, I think we're finished on cleanup? Those probably are alright, as other than the cub-tagged ones, they all seem to not actually be young, but often just smaller, or even in some cases larger and older. I have no idea what this pair of tags is for.

From going through them again, they all seem done. Should double-check before approving, though. I suspect some have automated tools that just take those lines of search terms (minus the comments), and tell which still have results.
:update few months later:
Yeah, a lot of these need to be removed, so I reversed my vote. I can see why this one didn't get approved, yet. Apparently, there was already a discussion on cub tag both in public and behind-the-scenes.

"I don't think a young feral tag will get used. :(" Haha, I was so fucking wrong with that prediction!

feral_girl -young_feral
feral_boy -young_feral

Working on the feral_boy/feral_girl situation. These tags have to be two of those "3-4 meanings" tags. They're a mess.

feral_boy young -young_male -young_feral -young_female Except for post #3070313 this is done.
feral_girl young -young_male -young_feral -young_female Done
feral_boy young -young_feral -young_human Done
feral_girl young -young_feral -young_human Done
feral_boy young -young_feral Done
feral_girl young -young_feral Done

feral_boy -young -young_feral -anthro -human
feral_girl -young -young_feral -anthro -human