Topic: [APPROVED] The Great Cub Apocalypse

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Donovan DMC

Moderator

benjiboyo said:
So, it's effectively dead right? I start using young_form instead of cub?

It's effectively dead, yes. It'd be dead already had I not asked for time to do some cleanup. As I said, we're on the clock to get as much cleanup in as we can, since cub no longer implies young, we're now making blacklists not work with new uploads, or posts which only get cub added.

benjiboyo said:
Oh also, earlopian might wanna remove cub from the cententious content example.

I can see about getting that changed, though since it'll be aliased it likely won't be that big of a deal

scaliespe

Admin

benjiboyo said:
So, it's effectively dead right? I start using young_form instead of cub?

Correct. The young_form tags are now fully established. There’s also young_gender that are likely going to be established soon, but we’re not quite there yet. We’ll likely have to finish cleaning up cub before we tackle loli/shota. But if you want to add the gender tags as well when you come across them, that’s also helpful.

Kyiiel

Member

Maybe temporarily change the category of cub to invalid so people know to stop adding it for now? I wouldn't have known about this and potentially added it to posts if I didn't check the forum.

Or instead just mass update all of cub to a temporary cleanup tag like cub_(cleanup) so cub it can be aliased immediately, and you'll have all posts that need cleanup tagged with the cleanup tag.

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Donovan DMC

Moderator

kyiiel said:
Maybe temporarily change the category of cub to invalid so people know to stop adding it for now? I wouldn't have known about this and potentially added it to posts if I didn't check the forum.

Or instead just mass update all of cub to a temporary cleanup tag like cub_(cleanup) so cub it can be aliased immediately, and you'll have all posts that need cleanup tagged with the cleanup tag.

It doesn't really matter if people keep using it, it'll end up aliased eventually
there's already people doing manual additions for when young is being missed due to the implication not existing, and I just might add to that myself

Donovan DMC

Moderator

Since we've got about 130,000 posts to churn through, we need all the help we can get.

set #54530 should be used in cleanup efforts. It's a static list of what was in the cub tag before its aliasing, presumably happening today.

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Watsit

Privileged

donovan_dmc said:
As I said, we're on the clock to get as much cleanup in as we can, since cub no longer implies young, we're now making blacklists not work with new uploads, or posts which only get cub added.

Maybe it's a bit too late now, but couldn't the cub -> young implication stay for now (to ensure young is tagged for cub posts), then do a regular (non-BUR) cub -> young alias which would remove the implication at the same time?

Donovan DMC

Moderator

watsit said:
Maybe it's a bit too late now, but couldn't the cub -> young implication stay for now (to ensure young is tagged for cub posts), then do a regular (non-BUR) cub -> young alias which would remove the implication at the same time?

We're looking into a solution which would allow us to complete the alias now and remove the need for a timed cleanup

alphamule

Privileged

Finally got a chance to process this thread and try to make sense of it all. I feeling like I understand it better, now.

dimoretpinel said:
I feel very unsure about that.
Lots of people don’t like feral porn because it’s too close to bestiality for them, just like lots of people don’t like cub porn either.
There will definitely be lots of complaints if an anthro search gives back feral results.

I’m currently going through cub feral to replace the cub tag by the new young feral tag. It currently has 8 posts in it now.
However, I won’t be able to do much more today. But I’d rather do this than a risky mass update.

I guess it would make sense to start with the solo examples for each gender, first, like this?
cub feral male -young_feral -young_male solo
cub feral female -young_feral -young_female solo
cub feral gynomorph -young_feral -young_gynomorph solo
cub feral andromorph -young_feral -young_andromorph solo
cub feral herm -young_feral -young_herm solo
cub feral maleherm -young_feral -young_maleherm solo
Sorting into groups should make this less error-prone. Repeat for duo and group so not overwhelmed with dozens of pages of results at 250 results per page.

@sipothac
post #883353 Ah, this makes sense with the arms. Yeah, it's kind of grey area for some species, but not the ones you posted. Lucario's entire evolutionary line is anthro via canon art. See also, Gardevoir, etc.

post #4447369 Oh look, another among many in this search. :/

wat8548 said:
Some progress bars to keep an eye on:

(all pages are 250 posts)

Yikes! The real numbers are scary!

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benjiboyo said:
So, it's effectively dead right? I start using young_form instead of cub?

Oh also, earlopian might wanna remove cub from the cententious content example.

Or at least put in a historical note and move it to the bottom of the page?

sipothac said:
alright, young_taur is now totally populated with every relevant post under cub.

:thumbs up:

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alphamule

Privileged

Changing the cub tag to cub_(obsolete_tag) or invalidating it makes sense I guess but... yeah. I'll trust that others know what they're doing, and just keep chugging at the posts.

post #4069740 From this search. What do we do about these kinds of results? Do we fix them later? :(

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abadbird

Janitor

I guess I can switch to actually_good_art (by score:>_00 decrements of 100) instead of clearing out various artists and working forward from the beginning regardless of quality. There's also a huge amount of MLP cub that I don't care much about. But, again, if we tag all the ferals (and others) so that cub anthro is all that's left, then we can push everything else to young_anthro all at once. Clean the site's entire dataset for one, gigantic push.

I've been scripting off the the very safe low-hanging fruit, leaving the iffy stuff for proper review, so there were some big jumps early on. Won't happen at that rate again, I don't think. I think I halved the untagged Lion King feral cubs (they have a distinct look the adults shouldn't have) and maybe more than half of the Cutie Mark Crusaders. And I'm skipping SWF unless they have highly indicative child posts. Too much effort.

Also, if you know an artist draws a lot of cub (or a cub pool or commonly cub character), you can clean their untagged young_<form> search of all non-ferals or non-anthros (pick one) and then script the other. For that artist, don't spend any time manually tagging the form you will script, just confirm that posts have the type you will script and go next, tag young_<other_forms> for everything else to clean your search with -young_<other_forms> filtering, and then script the rest with the form you chose. It's a bit faster. Maybe old hat for some, but I'm still figuring things out. I've been hesitant to script for general tags since I got Privileged, but these are very safe.

sipothac said:
I was going through the posts in order:random and getting at least one in the first twelve posts every refresh, might have just been luck of the draw, I'm not finding that many now.

here's a few that I've found just now or have been edited recently.
post #4208700 post #1979886 post #1705369 post #883353 post #2335815 post #2687487 post #2200450 post #3494240 post #825954

I did #4 when I completed poulet-7. I've been flipping some forms where I think it's justified. MLP fans did not like tagging Spike as anthro or Gildo/gryphons (with grabbing hands) as anthro. I'd like to give MLP a huge nudge to anthro for the standing ponies etc that look least feral, and now is a good time for that, but that's a big diversion, somewhat controversial, and exhausts too much brainpower. If we only have a week, then there's not enough time to do a good job fixing forms, may have to compound past mistakes like a lot of careless project taggers do. If we are less careful and accept compounding existing mistakes, we could script A LOT of posts very quickly.

alphamule said:
post #4069740 From this search. What do we do about these kinds of results? Do we fix them later? :(

We can still try to fix the obvious ones when we see them. That one is obviously wrong from the thumbnail. A lot of <only adding new tags> tag projects do not clean up past mistakes, and that drives me crazy when I see it.

wat8548

Member

donovan_dmc said:
We've been given an official deadline, we have a week from now to do as much cleanup as possible before the alias goes through, regardless of us being done or not.

Since we've got about 130,000 posts to churn through, we need all the help we can get.

An ordinary user can tag at most 150 posts per hour. If they were to do nothing but tag for 24 hours straight - maybe they could eat or sleep for 20 minutes at a time while the timer resets - they could tag 3,600 posts in 24 hours. That's an absolute theoretical maximum of 25,200 posts in a week.

If we make the still generous assumption that you can hit the cap 6 times in a day - hey, it's the holiday season, maybe some people have nothing better to do - we would need 21 users working flat-out on the project to get it done in time.

faucet

Member

wat8548 said:
An ordinary user can tag at most 150 posts per hour. If they were to do nothing but tag for 24 hours straight - maybe they could eat or sleep for 20 minutes at a time while the timer resets - they could tag 3,600 posts in 24 hours. That's an absolute theoretical maximum of 25,200 posts in a week.

If we make the still generous assumption that you can hit the cap 6 times in a day - hey, it's the holiday season, maybe some people have nothing better to do - we would need 21 users working flat-out on the project to get it done in time.

A year ago the entirety of *_(disambiguation) was just over 6000 posts, now it's ~5500. In theory, a single user could nuke the whole backlog in a week, but the reality is nobody actually takes the time.

My hopes that 130,000 posts are going to get cleaned up? Practically nil.

alphamule

Privileged

faucet said:
My hopes that 130,000 posts are going to get cleaned up? Practically nil.

Nothing speeds up development schedules like being told we have a day? :D

abadbird said:
We can still try to fix the obvious ones when we see them. That one is obviously wrong from the thumbnail. A lot of <only adding new tags> tag projects do not clean up past mistakes, and that drives me crazy when I see it.

I've been clicking on all but the likely anthro ones, then fixing the exceptions like same character with multiple forms (i.e. Solo still applies but can be BOTH anthro+feral). Then changing tag script to young_male young_anthro for the ones without any feral tags applying. At least this reduces compounded errors. :(

Donovan DMC

Moderator

wat8548 said:
An ordinary user can tag at most 150 posts per hour. If they were to do nothing but tag for 24 hours straight - maybe they could eat or sleep for 20 minutes at a time while the timer resets - they could tag 3,600 posts in 24 hours. That's an absolute theoretical maximum of 25,200 posts in a week.

If we make the still generous assumption that you can hit the cap 6 times in a day - hey, it's the holiday season, maybe some people have nothing better to do - we would need 21 users working flat-out on the project to get it done in time.

The complete impossibility of actually getting this done in a timely manner is precisely why we're trying to work something out internally. We're waiting on a response from someone that's currently not around before we can really say anything about it.

Should that plan go to pot, the scope of the project just widens after a week. Take the time now to get the easy stuff out of the way.

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scaliespe

Admin

watsit said:
Maybe it's a bit too late now, but couldn't the cub -> young implication stay for now (to ensure young is tagged for cub posts), then do a regular (non-BUR) cub -> young alias which would remove the implication at the same time?

wat8548 said:
An ordinary user can tag at most 150 posts per hour. If they were to do nothing but tag for 24 hours straight - maybe they could eat or sleep for 20 minutes at a time while the timer resets - they could tag 3,600 posts in 24 hours. That's an absolute theoretical maximum of 25,200 posts in a week.

If we make the still generous assumption that you can hit the cap 6 times in a day - hey, it's the holiday season, maybe some people have nothing better to do - we would need 21 users working flat-out on the project to get it done in time.

abadbird said:
I guess I can switch to actually_good_art (by score:>_00 decrements of 100) instead of clearing out various artists and working forward from the beginning regardless of quality. There's also a huge amount of MLP cub that I don't care much about. But, again, if we tag all the ferals (and others) so that cub anthro is all that's left, then we can push everything else to young_anthro all at once. Clean the site's entire dataset for one, gigantic push.

Basically, we're going to do what Kyiiel suggested above (thanks for the suggestion, BTW), except we'll be moving all of the current cub tags to a set instead of a different tag. The new set is HERE and ready for use. Expect cub to be aliased to young later today. Go ahead and start using the new set for the tagging project instead, and now there's no time limit to get it all cleaned up.

Donovan DMC

Moderator

donovan_dmc said:
The complete impossibility of actually getting this done in a timely manner is precisely why we're trying to work something out internally. We're waiting on a response from someone that's currently not around before we can really say anything about it.

Should that plan go to pot, the scope of the project just widens after a week. Take the time now to get the easy stuff out of the way.

The request succeeded, we now have https://e621.net/post_sets/54530 (set:cub_apocalypse)

Note that the set was just finalized, and it's still updating - only about 20,000/145,000 posts are searchable as of writing this
give it some time and it'll be 100%

I'm working on updating https://tagme.dev/projects/cub_body_types, I have to get a staff member over there to help with that since the project is locked

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wat8548

Member

scaliespe said:
Basically, we're going to do what Kyiiel suggested above (thanks for the suggestion, BTW), except we'll be moving all of the current cub tags to a set instead of a different tag. The new set is HERE and ready for use. Expect cub to be aliased to young later today. Go ahead and start using the new set for the tagging project instead, and now there's no time limit to get it all cleaned up.

Edited the anthro/feral-only tag projects to use the set.

Serious question: is there a reason why we can't just run a script to tag everything which contains, for example, anthro and cub and no other form tags? At worst it would cause no mistags that aren't already there, right? The more energy can be directed towards the mixed cases that actually need manual reviewing, the better. Tagging young_gender probably isn't that urgent for now since we'll just have to do it all again when the time comes to clean up loli and shota, and many of the affected posts were never tagged cub.

donovan_dmc said:
I'm working on updating https://tagme.dev/projects/cub_body_types, I have to get a staff member over there to help with that

Just replace cub with set:cub_apocalypse. I did that and it seems to work fine.

scaliespe

Admin

wat8548 said:
Edited the anthro/feral-only tag projects to use the set.

Serious question: is there a reason why we can't just run a script to tag everything which contains, for example, anthro and cub and no other form tags? At worst it would cause no mistags that aren't already there, right? The more energy can be directed towards the mixed cases that actually need manual reviewing, the better. Tagging young_gender probably isn't that urgent for now since we'll just have to do it all again when the time comes to clean up loli and shota, and many of the affected posts were never tagged cub.

Honestly, I do think this would be the best way to churn through the ~140,000 posts that need to be sorted. Maybe someone else can think of some reason that wouldn't be a great idea, but I'd be in favor of doing that.

Just replace cub with set:cub_apocalypse. I did that and it seems to work fine.

Once a tag project on that site has reached a certain number of uses (like a thousand, I think?) it gets locked so that only someone with admin-level privileges on the site can modify the project. No idea why it's set up that way, but it is.

Donovan DMC

Moderator

wat8548 said:
Serious question: is there a reason why we can't just run a script to tag everything which contains, for example, anthro and cub and no other form tags? At worst it would cause no mistags that aren't already there, right? The more energy can be directed towards the mixed cases that actually need manual reviewing, the better. Tagging young_gender probably isn't that urgent for now since we'll just have to do it all again when the time comes to clean up loli and shota, and many of the affected posts were never tagged cub.

cub anthro -young_anthro -feral -taur -human -humanoid is 103,052 posts
cub feral -young_feral -anthro -taur -human -humanoid is 8,917 posts
(the numbers are jumpy, don't put much stock in them)

That seems doable - I could automate that myself, I have no limit on my hourly edits so I can, in theory, handle 3600 posts an hour (more if not adding timing for possible ratelimiting)

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Donovan DMC

Moderator

wat8548 said:
Is it? I make it at least 103,000 (412 full pages at 250 a page).

The numbers are jumping around, I'm seeing 103,052 with 323 pages @ 320 each now

If more privileged+ users would like to join in, we can split this workload. This would take one privileged+ user over 30 hours of consistent api requests.

wat8548 said:
...Why and how? I've never used TagMe before, I had no idea that was a thing that could happen.

Projects over there get locked after they get so popular. You'll also experience it once one of yours gets over 1000.

Donovan DMC

Moderator

donovan_dmc said:
cub anthro -young_anthro -feral -taur -human -humanoid is 103,052 posts
cub feral -young_feral -anthro -taur -human -humanoid is 8,917 posts
(the numbers are jumpy, don't put much stock in them)

That seems doable - I could automate that myself, I have no limit on my hourly edits so I can, in theory, handle 3600 posts an hour (more if not adding timing for possible ratelimiting)

If someone can't give me a reason to not do this by the time I wake up later, I'mma go set something up to start churning through

Probably feral first

wat8548

Member

donovan_dmc said:
If someone can't give me a reason to not do this by the time I wake up later, I'mma go set something up to start churning through

Probably feral first

The only thing I can think of is that, based on both my own experience and that of others in this thread, you might want to exclude spike_(mlp) from the feral search.

abadbird

Janitor

Damn, I had a goal. I had machinations, I'll have you know! I wanted to see if this would lead to some community-building. But from what I've heard in the past, sets are the death of tag projects. Unfindable and no interest except for maybe that one guy who tries to keep the faith. But I don't use that TagMe site, or any other sites or e621 extensions, yet I've seen other people do use them at random so who knows. Maybe more people will poke at the cub pile than I expect.

Oh, I managed just under 9000 tag edits in the last few days toward this, completely impossible without Privileged+. Didn't know I had it in me or what I still might have left. I was still figuring out optimizations. But take away someone's urgency, and they unwind and go do other things. I was starting to have fun grinding through and shaping the datasets, watching the page numbers go down and tag counts go up, exhaling and inhaling deeply when they didn't move fast enough, steeling myself for the next push. Already waxing poetic. That was more fun than it had any right to be.

donovan_dmc said:
If someone can't give me a reason to not do this by the time I wake up later, I'mma go set something up to start churning through

Probably feral first

Egh, from what I've seen, it's just mistags and undertags. Mistags would be posts with the wrong of feral or anthro, which can be either-or on semi-anthros where it's "how we ought to tag" vs "what was intended/expected (but the artist broke bones and used a human spine)." Mistags are also tagging cub when the character is the wrong body type, but usually those posts don't mistag both body type and cub. Undertags would be posts missing one or more body type tags, yet one of those characters without a body type tag was still tagged cub. I don't think either of these issues really affects the plan to run those scripts. They rely on tag input quality, else garbage in -> garbage out. This project has been an opportunity to fix these old mistakes, and a new compound mistag will just filter those posts from the current wave of corrective review.

On shaping data, and overall solving the feral stuff first, I think I've made aogami cub -young_anthro -young_feral ready for one fat young_anthro script. Around 1500 posts in a relatively clean dataset. I solved about 320 posts of feral, -anthro, humanoid, human, and taur stuff, so now there's just one big pile of anthro. The problem with aogami's style is they often skirts the line between anthro and humanoid, so some manual review is a good idea. Also, due to their art volume, their posts have random untagged humans and humanoids, so scripting just young_anthro will miss those characters until maybe another tagger comes around. poulet-7 and zeklullaby were even more unbalanced with little feral art and very readable anthros from the thumbnails, so I finished their cub anthro side too (except one SFW). And that's how you can chunk out posts from this project and watch the pages fall off.

The ability to remove certain posts from the set where cub is wrong (and not even young) would help prepare groups of posts so these mistake posts don't gum up tag script searches and attract mistags. I suppose that permission can't be made public because then anyone could vandalize the set, and my understanding is that data would be gone forever.

alphamule

Privileged

scaliespe said:
Basically, we're going to do what Kyiiel suggested above (thanks for the suggestion, BTW), except we'll be moving all of the current cub tags to a set instead of a different tag. The new set is HERE and ready for use. Expect cub to be aliased to young later today. Go ahead and start using the new set for the tagging project instead, and now there's no time limit to get it all cleaned up.

Oh Thank God!
So just use it like this:
set:cub_apocalypse -cub
set:cub_apocalypse cub

Donovan DMC

Moderator

donovan_dmc said:
If someone can't give me a reason to not do this by the time I wake up later, I'mma go set something up to start churning through

Probably feral first

Started about an hour ago, managed to get through about 4,300 posts with no pauses between requests, averaging some 837ms per request (averaged with the time/total, not by adding each request individually)
So churning through all of feral and anthro will take about a day

alphamule

Privileged

pleaseletmein said:
pecs make me say anthro

sipothac said:
humanoid torso w/ shoulders and hand-shaped hands, I'd say anthro

Fixed with "-feral anthro young_male young_anthro -young_feral" pasted to end of tags.

donovan_dmc said:
Started about an hour ago, managed to get through about 4,300 posts with no pauses between requests, averaging some 837ms per request (averaged with the time/total, not by adding each request individually)
So churning through all of feral and anthro will take about a day

Been doing some manually like maleherm/herm feral cubs. Those are really, really easy to mess up on compared to say, solo feral males. I don't think we have a good automated way to do something like young_male like we can on young_feral. To be honest, this is just continuing the stuff that Bloodreaver01 started.

Donovan DMC

Moderator

The bulk update request #5993 is active.

create alias cub_penetrated (0) -> young_penetrated (5449)
create implication young_penetrated (5449) -> young (253725)
create implication young_penetrated (5449) -> penetration (784766)
create alias cub_penetrating (0) -> young_penetrating (1408)
create implication young_penetrating (1408) -> young (253725)
create implication young_penetrating (1408) -> penetration (784766)
create alias submissive_cub (0) -> submissive_young (251)
create implication submissive_young (251) -> young (253725)
create implication submissive_young (251) -> submissive (121655)
create alias cub_receiving (0) -> young (253725)

Reason: more stuff

EDIT: The bulk update request #5993 (forum #383631) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

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alphamule

Privileged

donovan_dmc said:
The bulk update request #5993 is active.

create alias cub_penetrated (0) -> young_penetrated (5449)
create implication young_penetrated (5449) -> young (253725)
create implication young_penetrated (5449) -> penetration (784766)
create alias cub_penetrating (0) -> young_penetrating (1408)
create implication young_penetrating (1408) -> young (253725)
create implication young_penetrating (1408) -> penetration (784766)
create alias submissive_cub (0) -> submissive_young (251)
create implication submissive_young (251) -> young (253725)
create implication submissive_young (251) -> submissive (121655)
create alias cub_receiving (0) -> young (253725)

Reason: more stuff

EDIT: The bulk update request #5993 (forum #383631) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

Ugh, that stupid cub_receiving tag. It's "supposed" to be oral stuff, but it was hard to even get people using it to be clear what their intent, was.

Donovan DMC

Moderator

alphamule said:
Ugh, that stupid cub_receiving tag. It's "supposed" to be oral stuff, but it was hard to even get people using it to be clear what their intent, was.

It also had no popular similar tags within any other camp as far as I could see. The only other one I saw was male_receiving, which.. I hate the way that wiki is written, and it doesn't seem useful as a tag

alphamule

Privileged

donovan_dmc said:
It also had no popular similar tags within any other camp as far as I could see. The only other one I saw was male_receiving, which.. I hate the way that wiki is written, and it doesn't seem useful as a tag

LOL, could have gone with the theme, and made it young oral. Or young_oraled and young_oraling(joke).

Kyiiel

Member

The bulk update request #6005 has been rejected.

create implication young_semi-anthro (0) -> young (253725)
create implication young_semi-anthro (0) -> semi-anthro (29630)

Reason: Missing implications for the semi anthro body type.

would be nice if semi-anthro eventually be renamed to something less clunky to type... but I kinda need this rn. Looks like there are quite a few things tagged as feral that are semi-anthro.

EDIT: The bulk update request #6005 (forum #383678) has been rejected by @slyroon.

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pleaseletmein

Member

kyiiel said:
The bulk update request #6005 has been rejected.

create implication young_semi-anthro (0) -> young (253725)
create implication young_semi-anthro (0) -> semi-anthro (29630)

Reason: Missing implications for the semi anthro body type.

would be nice if semi-anthro eventually be renamed to something less clunky to type... but I kinda need this rn. Looks like there are quite a few things tagged as feral that are semi-anthro.

semi-anthro is not its own form tag, its a supplement, it doesn't have a tag family like the proper form tags do, and it should stay that way (if you look at the wiki there is nothing implicated to semi-anthro).

Watsit

Privileged

kyiiel said:
Reason: Missing implications for the semi anthro body type.

Should be aliased. semi-anthro isn't a distinct body type/form, it's supplemental to anthro or feral which should already be tagged.

Donovan DMC

Moderator

Those were intentionally left out. Nothing beyond the 5 basic forms is planned to be extended into subtags under young.

scaliespe

Admin

kyiiel said:
The bulk update request #6005 has been rejected.

create implication young_semi-anthro (0) -> young (253725)
create implication young_semi-anthro (0) -> semi-anthro (29630)

Reason: Missing implications for the semi anthro body type.

would be nice if semi-anthro eventually be renamed to something less clunky to type... but I kinda need this rn. Looks like there are quite a few things tagged as feral that are semi-anthro.

Just tag them as either young_anthro or young_feral, then add the plain semi-anthro tag in addition to that… that’s effectively the same thing.

Wolfmanfur

Blocked

alphamule said:
Changing the cub tag to cub_(obsolete_tag) or invalidating it makes sense I guess but... yeah. I'll trust that others know what they're doing, and just keep chugging at the posts.

post #4069740 From this search. What do we do about these kinds of results? Do we fix them later? :(

I can fix them now. Is the fix meant to be adding 'young' or delete 'feral' from the tags? I'm gonna do the other one anyways, but I'm conflicted with young.

alphamule

Privileged

wolfmanfur said:
I can fix them now. Is the fix meant to be adding 'young' or delete 'feral' from the tags? I'm gonna do the other one anyways, but I'm conflicted with young.

Well, a dog walking around on 2 legs, balanced on one, while grabbing her foot using hands with 4 fingers is most certainly not feral. I didn't even think about the age tags.

Benjiboyo

Blocked

Just curious, should there be an announcement on the news header once the alias for cub goes in to notion? It feels like a massive tag change that's announcement worthy to me.

abadbird

Janitor

I've been plugging away at this while I still feel like it, going until things change or I snap. I'm doing the lion's share of identifying and fixing leftover cub body types at this point. Give me maintainer of the set, okay? Lol. With Donovan having scripted off all the simple posts, all that's left are posts with mixed or no body type tags.

My first big goal is reducing cub feral score:>150 -young_feral -young_anthro -type:swf rating:e to... less, bumping the score down in manageable chunks. At some point, to be quite honest, I expect the average art quality will decline to where I move on to the next big pile.

For variety, I started bringing down the anthro side cub score:>600 -young_feral -young_anthro -type:swf rating:e.

I did some variations of cub humanoid -anthro -feral (at score:whatever), but these posts don't have many true cubs. When the alias happens, these will join the greater ocean of untagged young_* posts, which is what they should have been. That bunch can get young_* tags whenever as normal.

I started a list of all the recent tags where I did a noteworthy amount of tagging to bring tag + cub -young_anthro -young_feral to zero:

empties

And I've been populating young_[gender] (I wasn't before) where skipping that wouldn't save a lot of time, and I've been adjusting some body type and gender tags as necessary as I go.

Nashqueradier

Member

e6 still has a 5 term search limit, so why erase concise terms like "pregnant_cub" in favor of making it MORE complicated and unintuitive?

Wolfmanfur

Blocked

nashqueradier said:
e6 still has a 5 term search limit, so why erase concise terms like "pregnant_cub" in favor of making it MORE complicated and unintuitive?

I reckon you're on the wrong booru. e6 has a 40 tags limit, not 5.

Nashqueradier

Member

wolfmanfur said:
I reckon you're on the wrong booru. e6 has a 40 tags limit, not 5.

Huh. When did that change? It was a 5 term limit not that long ago.

dba afish

Member

nashqueradier said:
Huh. When did that change? It was a 5 term limit not that long ago.

it hasn't been 5 since the site overhaul in early 2020.

vaelophis nyx

Member

oh cool I see we're obfuscating this so it's impossible to filter Young vs Actually Underage like it used to be
awesome
your tag cleanup causes more problems than it ever could have solved in this case

dba afish

Member

vaelophis_nyx said:
oh cool I see we're obfuscating this so it's impossible to filter Young vs Actually Underage like it used to be
awesome
your tag cleanup causes more problems than it ever could have solved in this case

just ignore the fact that we have young split into 4 smaller age groups. cub wasn't even an age group it was just young + anthro/feral.

also, that's not what obfuscation means.

vaelophis nyx

Member

sipothac said:
just ignore the fact that we have young split into 4 smaller age groups. cub wasn't even an age group it was just young + anthro/feral.

also, that's not what obfuscation means.

ah yes four separate tags to filter instead of one
also it's been community short hand for ages, there's a reason it gets used and was so pervasive. Even if it's a tag combo technically, it had a good reason to exist, and still does.

pleaseletmein

Member

vaelophis_nyx said:
oh cool I see we're obfuscating this so it's impossible to filter Young vs Actually Underage like it used to be
awesome
your tag cleanup causes more problems than it ever could have solved in this case

what do you mean by "actually underage?" everything in the young tag is underage.

dba afish

Member

vaelophis_nyx said:
ah yes four separate tags to filter instead of one

oh no, what an inconvenience! you have to add slightly different tags to your blacklist.

vaelophis_nyx said:
also it's been community short hand for ages, there's a reason it gets used and was so pervasive. Even if it's a tag combo technically, it had a good reason to exist, and still does.

no it doesn't. it was a dumb tag with a dumb definition, splitting it into young_feral and young_anthro is just better in every conceivable way.

m3g4p0n1

Member

vaelophis_nyx said:
ah yes four separate tags to filter instead of one
also it's been community short hand for ages, there's a reason it gets used and was so pervasive. Even if it's a tag combo technically, it had a good reason to exist, and still does.

I think simply adding "young_* -rating:s" should suffice though

Benjiboyo

Blocked

Well, that's one guy...was expecting more, but considering this is the forums, the comments on posts are probably where they all lie... Assuming they even noticed.

alphamule

Privileged

abadbird said:
I've been plugging away at this while I still feel like it, going until things change or I snap. I'm doing the lion's share of identifying and fixing leftover cub body types at this point. Give me maintainer of the set, okay? Lol. With Donovan having scripted off all the simple posts, all that's left are posts with mixed or no body type tags.

My first big goal is reducing cub feral score:>150 -young_feral -young_anthro -type:swf rating:e to... less, bumping the score down in manageable chunks. At some point, to be quite honest, I expect the average art quality will decline to where I move on to the next big pile.

For variety, I started bringing down the anthro side cub score:>600 -young_feral -young_anthro -type:swf rating:e.

I did some variations of cub humanoid -anthro -feral (at score:whatever), but these posts don't have many true cubs. When the alias happens, these will join the greater ocean of untagged young_* posts, which is what they should have been. That bunch can get young_* tags whenever as normal.

I started a list of all the recent tags where I did a noteworthy amount of tagging to bring tag + cub -young_anthro -young_feral to zero:

empties

And I've been populating young_[gender] (I wasn't before) where skipping that wouldn't save a lot of time, and I've been adjusting some body type and gender tags as necessary as I go.

And I appreciate the effort! Team Tagging to save the day, heh. Ran into rare ones (like post # #3388757) that fell through the hole (young_(lore) but young tag, because DMC's script ran day or soright after you tagged it lore). Most of the tags seem accurate, though. Got done with a few pages of a recent search like these. I'll start on some more so I guess that's a few more pages. I use 250-posts-per-page setting, so divide that by 4 to get thousands.

sipothac said:
it hasn't been 5 since the site overhaul in early 2020.

I thought it was 35. BTW, reverted a tag edit on post #4449883 because oopsies.

I was technically spamming the same comment, but posted a link to here and cub Wiki entry for those still posting cub. It should go away in a few days?

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