The bulk update request #6597 has been rejected.

create alias winter_coat (486) -> winter_fur (2)
create alias fur_coat (452) -> fur_trenchcoat (0)

Reason: Cleanup on those tags is needed first, ambiguous tags shouldn't be ambiguous.

post #4602079 post #4514679 This is a winter coat.

post #4586336 post #4551386 This is also a winter coat.

post #4547934 This is a fur coat.

post #4427377 post #4435292 This is also a fur coat.

The posts that are tagged winter_coat to mean the garment, the piece of clothing you wear during winter should be manually moved to winter_trenchcoat or similar before approving the bur.

The posts tagged fur_coat that are about the fur should be moved to another tag before approving the bur.

EDIT: The bulk update request #6597 (forum #391158) has been rejected by @slyroon.

A trench coat is a specific style of coat. Not every coat is a trench coat.

now I'm just thinking about british officers wearing fur coats in the trenches at Flanders.

Wouldn't a disambiguation of coat_(fur) and coat_(clothing) be better?

The bulk update request #6597 (forum #391158) has been rejected by @slyroon.

calydor said:
Wouldn't a disambiguation of coat_(fur) and coat_(clothing) be better?

Personally i'd prefer "pelt" for the fur, i think

cloudpie said:
A trench coat is a specific style of coat. Not every coat is a trench coat.

Then make a suggestion, this tag has many meanings and several good burs (implication fur_coat -> coat for example) have been rejected due to the tag being inconsistent.

wolfmanfur said:
Then make a suggestion

calydor said:
Wouldn't a disambiguation of coat_(fur) and coat_(clothing) be better?

This is really the suggestion before we can get into questions of fashion.

cloudpie said:
Personally i'd prefer "pelt" for the fur, i think

Pelt was aliased to animal_skin 5 yrs ago :/

catskill said:
Pelt was aliased to animal_skin 5 yrs ago :/

Sorry I meant like winter_pelt/summer_pelt. I think that would still be ok even though just "pelt" means something else? Maybe i'm wrong though

So, my personal take on winter_coat and fur_coat:
- Disambiguate winter_coat. Have winter_coat_(disambiguation)'s wiki page link to coat and some wintery styles of coat like parka, and to a proposed new tag seasonal_pelt.
- Disambiguate fur_coat as well. Fur_coat_(disambiguation) should link to fur_coat_(clothing), fur, fluffy, and long_fur. We don't need an additional tag like coat_(fur) to describe poofy fluffy long fur, we already have tags for that.

Seasonal_pelt would be for a character's pelt that's shown to change by season, inspired by someone else's (I forget who, sorry) suggestion of winter_pelt and summer_pelt. It would be for cases like this:
post #4190845 post #3769445 post #1626774
(Not only for model sheets, those are just the examples I could find right now)

Actually I take it back about seasonal_pelt. Summer_pelt and winter_pelt are useful when searching certain species that look quite different depending on season. You could search for stoat summer_pelt or stoat winter_pelt to find stoats with their summer or winter appearances, for example.
post #3753693 post #4572176

So, have winter_coat_(disambiguation) link to winter_pelt instead of seasonal_pelt then.

cloudpie said:
Sorry I meant like winter_pelt/summer_pelt. I think that would still be ok even though just "pelt" means something else? Maybe i'm wrong though

My bad, ofc you knew that already. I didn't even suspect those were tags in use. :P
In that case, maybe pelt is worth revisiting as a disambiguation to seperate fur from coat? All your ideas sound good to me, though.

catskill said:
My bad, ofc you knew that already. I didn't even suspect those were tags in use. :P
In that case, maybe pelt is worth revisiting as a disambiguation to seperate fur from coat? All your ideas sound good to me, though.

Oh they weren't in use yet when I wrote that! I just saw someone else suggest them in a different thread. I did some tagging with them myself after writing that reply though.

We could rename to summer_pelage and winter_pelage instead if the pelt thing is a problem

I never heard of "pelage" before. Makes me think of "plumage", which is for feathers. I don't see a problem with <season>_pelt, personally.

cloudpie said:
We could rename to summer_pelage and winter_pelage instead if the pelt thing is a problem

Nah, these new pelt tags are cool. Because again, we now have the option disambiguate pelt to avoid the double meaning of coat altogether. For example..

pelt (disambiguation):

• seasonal pelt - Referring to the change in a mammal's fur between summer and winter
• winter pelt
• summer pelt

Use animal skin when referring to the hide and fur removed from a dead animal.
Use throwing when referring to a character throwing something.

..And now, supposedly, coat and its derivatives could be used for clothing without confusion.

The bulk update request #6626 is pending approval.

remove alias pelt (0) -> animal_skin (868)

Reason: As above.
One disambiguation and ~3 tags to make a distinction between clothing and fur VS trying to break up or redifine winter coat again (again).

Potential second part:
alias pelt -> pelt_(disambiguation)
imply winter_pelt -> seasonal_pelt
imply summer_pelt -> seasonal_pelt
alias winter_fur -> winter_pelt