I noticed diphallism was a tag used specifically for two cocks, and is rarely in use. I've been hesitant to tag diphallic characters with hemipenes, because I thought it was mainly used for reptiles/scalies. Should diphallism just be aliased to hemipenes?

And for piercings, how specific should we go? I typically just tag basic areas and common fetish piercings. But do we need things like labia_piercing or lorum_(piercing)?

DamnThatAss said:
I noticed diphallism was a tag used specifically for two cocks, and is rarely in use. I've been hesitant to tag diphallic characters with hemipenes, because I thought it was mainly used for reptiles/scalies. Should diphallism just be aliased to hemipenes?

And for piercings, how specific should we go? I typically just tag basic areas and common fetish piercings. But do we need things like labia_piercing or lorum_(piercing)?

It should be labia_piercing, IMO.

I think we can alias the first two tags together to the broader term (whichever one that is I am not entirely sure yet)

As for piercings, I really, really think we should get a tad bit specific. Certain areas of the body being pierced have different reactions to a lot of people. Namely ear piercings are typically accepted whereas nipple and genitalia piercings can make for difficult enjoyment of a piece

DamnThatAss said:
I noticed diphallism was a tag used specifically for two cocks, and is rarely in use. I've been hesitant to tag diphallic characters with hemipenes, because I thought it was mainly used for reptiles/scalies. Should diphallism just be aliased to hemipenes?
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Yes, it's not scientifically accurate, but it's how they use the hemipenes tag here.

Side note: My dragon character in Disgaea D2 is named Hemipenes.

Halite said:
Yes, it's not scientifically accurate, but it's how they use the hemipenes tag here.

Side note: My dragon character in Disgaea D2 is named Hemipenes.

Is it literally said "hem-ee-peens", like with the word peen in it?

Rainbow_Dash said:
Is it literally said "hem-ee-peens", like with the word peen in it?

Yes, it is the plural form of hemipenis which would be one of the pair.

Hemipenes already got aliased with dual_penis, some months ago.
I remember being quite annoyed by that change, since they were used in completely different ways: hemipenes for sideway doubles, and dual_penis for CoC-style vertical diphallism. I used to have the latter on my blacklist.

The wiki for hemipenes even still states that it differs from multi_cock, despite now being implicated to it.

I think they should be separate, but if we're going to keep them aliased.... might as well combine diphallism to it.

Genjar said:
Hemipenes already got aliased with dual_penis, some months ago.
I remember being quite annoyed by that change, since they were used in completely different ways: hemipenes for sideway doubles, and dual_penis for CoC-style vertical diphallism. I used to have the latter on my blacklist.

The wiki for hemipenes even still states that it differs from multi_cock, despite now being implicated to it.

I think they should be separate, but if we're going to keep them aliased.... might as well combine diphallism to it.

I'd back it being de-aliased.

Everyone okay with dealiasing it, then using the two separately?

Sure.

As for piercings, I'd err on the side of specific. Tag it as specifically as you're able.

RedOctober said:
Sure.

As for piercings, I'd err on the side of specific. Tag it as specifically as you're able.

What he said

Alright de-aliasing the peen tags (hue) and the piercing tags should be as specific as reasonably possible

Brilliant.
Just a question before I start sorting them: should hemipenes be used strictly for 'realistic' looking ones (like canine_penis and horsecock tags), or for all sideways doubles? Latter was how it was divided before the alias, but the former would be closer to the current penis-tag standard. Either would be fine by me.

Genjar said:
Brilliant.
Just a question before I start sorting them: should hemipenes be used strictly for 'realistic' looking ones (like canine_penis and horsecock tags), or for all sideways doubles? Latter was how it was divided before the alias, but the former would be closer to the current penis-tag standard. Either would be fine by me.

I have no idea what the affects would be of each. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

What would happen in each scenario?

Genjar said:
Brilliant.
Just a question before I start sorting them: should hemipenes be used strictly for 'realistic' looking ones (like canine_penis and horsecock tags), or for all sideways doubles? Latter was how it was divided before the alias, but the former would be closer to the current penis-tag standard. Either would be fine by me.

I think hemipenes should be used strictly for actual hemipenes be they phallic or not, in similar vein to canine_penis and horsecock and the like, whilst diphallism should be used for any case where there are two whole separate penises only, which can overlap with some hemipenes. The latter usage was incorrect, and I don't know why it was aliased as such.

I agree that hemipenes should just be for hemeipenes, but I think a multiple_penises tag would be a better umbrella tag than just diphallism.

Wyvrn said:
I agree that hemipenes should just be for hemeipenes, but I think a multiple_penises tag would be a better umbrella tag than just diphallism.

Let me see if got this right: hemipenes as a separate tag, for the 'realistic' hemipenes (as far as furry art can be called realistic)....
...and diphallism would be merged to multi_cock?

There's quite a difference between two cocks and, let's say, dozen. I think it might be better to just keep the current diphallism -> multi_cock implication, though I don't feel strongly about it either way.

I will see if I can't suggest some awesome terms that already are (or could be) in use to differentiate and one as an umbrella, and might unalias some if needed

Genjar said:
Let me see if got this right: hemipenes as a separate tag, for the 'realistic' hemipenes (as far as furry art can be called realistic)....
...and diphallism would be merged to multi_cock?

There's quite a difference between two cocks and, let's say, dozen. I think it might be better to just keep the current diphallism -> multi_cock implication, though I don't feel strongly about it either way.

diphallism > multi_cock *implication* is something I'd support over alias.

Rainbow_Dash said:
I will see if I can't suggest some awesome terms that already are (or could be) in use to differentiate and one as an umbrella, and might unalias some if needed

Looking forward to it.

123easy said:
diphallism > multi_cock *implication* is something I'd support over alias.

The implication already exists. And yeah, I don't see any need to change it.
I agree with what you outlined a few posts earlier: seems like a good way to sort them.

Hemipenes for actual hemipenes, and dual_cock for two separate penes...such as these:

post #143011 post #418445 post #414598 post #178081

Right?

Alright how about we use hemipenes for the penises being side by side, and diphalism for penises being one over top the other and have both implicate multi_cock (as both actually already do) and also implicate penis as only one does?

Rainbow_Dash said:
Alright how about we use hemipenes for the penises being side by side, and diphalism for penises being one over top the other and have both implicate multi_cock (as both actually already do) and also implicate penis as only one does?

That's exactly how those tags were used before they got aliased, and it's how the hemipenes wiki describes it. So it'd certainly be less work than the alternative. Probably easier to tag for most users too. Though the minor problem with defining them simply by the side by side/horizontal split is that is images like this would end up under hemipenes:
post #353153 post #300762
Even though they're not actual hemipenes.
...if you're wondering what a realistic hemipenes looks like, check lizard and snake on this chart:
post #26455

By the way, I noticed that dual_penis is aliased hemipenes. It should be switched over to diphallism instead, like dual_cock already is.

Rainbow_Dash said:
Alright how about we use hemipenes for the penises being side by side, and diphalism for penises being one over top the other and have both implicate multi_cock (as both actually already do) and also implicate penis as only one does?

Hemipenes doesn't mean when two fully formed phalluses are visible, though;

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rhacodactylus_ciliatus_hemipene.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bothropoides_neuwiedi_-_hemipenes.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rattlesnake_hemipene.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rattlesnake_Hemipenes_2.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hemipenisvorfall.jpg

Hemipenes are not about alignment of the phallus at all. If it is normally hidden but emerges from a cloacal slit (IRL, via musculature eversion and engorgement, furries through any method), and it is one of a pair (even if only one is visible at a time) then it's a hemipenis. It is the equivilent of "canine_penis" or "horsecock" for lizards and snakes, though with furries it could be argued for most scalies that don't feature mammalian genital aspects in general.

Diphallism is just having two penises.

Yep. But I wouldn't expect an average tagger to know that. If we go by that definition, this is how I'd simplify it:

cloaca or genital_slit + two shafts = hemipenes
All other doubles = diphallism

I'm definitely going to need a list to make this all into a tag tree

Rainbow_Dash said:
I'm definitely going to need a list to make this all into a tag tree

Implications:
hemipenes → multi_cock
diphallism → multi_cock
multi_cock → penis
All of those are already implicated, no changes needed.

Aliases:
dual_cock and dual_penis → diphallism
Dual cock is already aliased to it, but dual penis needs to be unaliased from hemipenes and then aliased to diphallism.

So no major changes needed, for the most part the tree already exists. And they all implicate penis, through the multi_cock tag.

EDIT: And since I was bored... here's a flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/0uWBwQL.jpg

Genjar said:
Implications:
hemipenes → multi_cock
diphallism → multi_cock
multi_cock → penis
All of those are already implicated, no changes needed.

Aliases:
dual_cock and dual_penis → diphallism
Dual cock is already aliased to it, but dual penis needs to be unaliased from hemipenes and then aliased to diphallism.

So no major changes needed, for the most part the tree already exists. And they all implicate penis, through the multi_cock tag.

Well I was going to make my own but got sidetracked on other tasks, thank you

Genjar said:
Yep. But I wouldn't expect an average tagger to know that. If we go by that definition, this is how I'd simplify it:

cloaca or genital_slit + two shafts = hemipenes
All other doubles = diphallism

Yeah, I agree.