Genjar said:
Yes, precisely. It's a pegasus, and everyone knows what it is called. Tagging it as another species is counterproductive and makes it harder to search for, as I've already explained.

I'd prefer that, yes. Minotaurs should be tagged as minotaur and bovine, gryphons should be tagged as gryphon and... possibly feline. But if I want to see gryphons, I search for gryphon. And if I want to see lions, I search for lion.

Wherever possible, we should try to only have one main species tag per creature. Unless it's a hybrid that doesn't have any commonly known other names.

If I want to see a horse, why not a winged horse?

I have yet to see the logic for not tagging a horse with wings as horse. Almost all mythological animals are hybrids of some sort, and for searching purposes should be tagged with the animals they're composed of. ESPECIALLY if they're just an animal with an added feature. (A horn, some wings, etc.)

Hell, everyone else seems to agree that a Pegasus is most definitely a horse with wings.

Wikipedia: A winged divine stallion usually depicted as pure white in color. He was sired by Poseidon, in his role as horse-god, and foaled by the Gorgon Medusa.

Merriam-Webster: A winged horse that causes the stream Hippocrene to spring from Mount Helicon with a blow of his hoof.

Oxford: A winged horse that sprang from the blood of Medusa when Perseus cut off her head.

Encyclopedia Britannica: In Greek mythology, a winged horse that sprang from the blood of the Gorgon Medusa as she was beheaded by the hero Perseus.

I hold my two stances on this issue

These creatures are horses with wings
Should only be tagged as equine to be able to differentiate between regular horses and pegasuses during searches

Rainbow_Dash said:
I hold my two stances on this issue

These creatures are horses with wings
Should only be tagged as equine to be able to differentiate between regular horses and pegasuses during searches

If we don't tag pegasuses as horses to differentiate them from horses, then why do we tag any hybrid with the species they're composed of? This makes it impossible to differentiate between just a normal dog, and a dog-puma-seahorse-whatever hybrid. (Then again, you could just search dog -hybrid).

The "Pegasi are their own species" argument doesn't make sense either. They're not real, and they're described as horses that have wings. Why not tag them with wings horse? The equine tag is better than nothing, but it's a bit vague, seeing as how things like donkeys are also considered equine.

We don't just tag a gryphon with avian, so why tag a pegasus with just equine?

Rainbow_Dash said:
Should only be tagged as equine to be able to differentiate between regular horses and pegasuses during searches

1000% agreed

SirAntagonist said:
We don't just tag a gryphon with avian, so why tag a pegasus with just equine?

Umm, sadly, gryphon implies avian.

Fluttershy said:
Umm, sadly, gryphon implies avian.

Well, right.

But there are plenty of posts tagged with Gryphon and Eagle. Because it's a lion-eagle hybrid.

What I'm getting at is mythological cannon doesn't change the nature of something.

123easy said:
You're the only one arguing for the backasswards method.

No, I'm not.

The reason hybrids are tagged with the species they contain is because hybrid itself does not describe any one species or another. Pegasus describes a horse with wings, so tagging it with equine and not horse allows us to search for a pegasus and a normal non-winged horse in the same image. Whereas with hybrid, we need to tag the species that compose of them in order to search what type of hybrid it is

Rainbow_Dash said:
The reason hybrids are tagged with the species they contain is because hybrid itself does not describe any one species or another. Pegasus describes a horse with wings, so tagging it with equine and not horse allows us to search for a pegasus and a normal non-winged horse in the same image. Whereas with hybrid, we need to tag the species that compose of them in order to search what type of hybrid it is

That's not true at all, there's plenty of hybrids that are self descriptive, but still get the species tags.
Gryphons, centaurs, minotaurs, etc. not to mention the furry created ones like folfs and such.

Halite said:
That's not true at all, there's plenty of hybrids that are self descriptive, but still get the species tags.
Gryphons, centaurs, minotaurs, etc. not to mention the furry created ones like folfs and such.

Which is why I noted we should probably fix that, since we've been doing that for awhile with that excuse but it's really just bad tagging.

Halite said:
That's not true at all, there's plenty of hybrids that are self descriptive, but still get the species tags.
Gryphons, centaurs, minotaurs, etc. not to mention the furry created ones like folfs and such.

Yeah I would not tag those as hybrid as they are specific to only having the two creatures mixed together, example, a griffon is always an eagle and lion mix, so the hybrid tag would be redundant and not helpful

(That is to say that is what I would prefer to have done)

Rainbow_Dash said:
Yeah I would not tag those as hybrid as they are specific to only having the two creatures mixed together, example, a griffon is always an eagle and lion mix, so the hybrid tag would be redundant and not helpful

(That is to say that is what I would prefer to have done)

With your permission, may I resume my project?

By the way , pony isn't horse, it's equine. Horse and pony are different species.
I agree, MLP characters shouldn't be tagged horse, and pony would imply equine, as well as unicorn.. but not horse

P.S> winged unicorn is actually alicorn. Why there is none of that tag?

Swiftkill said:
By the way , pony isn't horse, it's equine. Horse and pony are different species.
I agree, MLP characters shouldn't be tagged horse, and pony would imply equine, as well as unicorn.. but not horse

P.S> winged unicorn is actually alicorn. Why there is none of that tag?

alicorn used to be in use. But it's aliased to winged unicorn (shouldn't be the other way around?)

Rainbow_Dash said:
Yeah I would not tag those as hybrid as they are specific to only having the two creatures mixed together

It's chimera then XD

It's other way around, seem alicorn is alias of winged_unicorn.. though for some weird reason, tag system doesn't show me it, when I search

Swiftkill said:
By the way , pony isn't horse, it's equine. Horse and pony are different species.
I agree, MLP characters shouldn't be tagged horse, and pony would imply equine, as well as unicorn.. but not horse

P.S> winged unicorn is actually alicorn. Why there is none of that tag?

You are incredibly wrong, both ponies and horses are "Equus ferus caballus" not only the same species, but the same subspecies.
The only difference is the size of a full grown horse, small enough and it's called a pony.

Xch3l said:
alicorn used to be in use. But it's aliased to winged unicorn (shouldn't be the other way around?)

If I recall correctly, alicorn was aliased to winged_unicorn because alicorn was a term invented by mlp and winged unicorn has historical usage.

Saffron said:
If I recall correctly, alicorn was aliased to winged_unicorn because alicorn was a term invented by mlp and winged unicorn has historical usage.

That's right. Alicorn is a specific term for unicorn horn. Dunno how it ended up as a species name for winged unicorns..

Genjar said:
That's right. Alicorn is a specific term for unicorn horn. Dunno how it ended up as a species name for winged unicorns..

Because they said it like, once on the show, or something, and completely disregarded centuries of usage, and suddenly that's all anyone seems to know it as these days. It's terrifying.

Halite said:
You are incredibly wrong, both ponies and horses are "Equus ferus caballus" not only the same species, but the same subspecies.
The only difference is the size of a full grown horse, small enough and it's called a pony.

Pony in the sense of MLP pony, which is what the pony tag has been subsumed for, is a completely different species of equine. So, yeah.

123easy said:
...
Pony in the sense of MLP pony, which is what the pony tag has been subsumed for, is a completely different species of equine. So, yeah.

They're still a cartoon representation of a small horse, it's the same thing.

Halite said:
They're still a cartoon representation of a small horse, it's the same thing.

Except they are a separate species in the show, so not the same thing. Fantasy world with different rules than the real world, there.

123easy said:
Except they are a separate species in the show, so not the same thing. Fantasy world with different rules than the real world, there.

I don't claim to know much about MLP, but so far as I know, there is no "horse" species in he show at all.

Halite said:
I don't claim to know much about MLP, but so far as I know, there is no "horse" species in he show at all.

There are horses separate from ponies, yes.

123easy said:
There are horses separate from ponies, yes.

link?

Fluttershy said:
link?

^^^ This.
I have yet to see anything showing that, and I looked.

As far as I can tell there's unicorns, pegasus, alicorns, and regular ponies(earth ponies).
There are a handful of other equine species like zebras and donkeys, but nothing that is a "horse" not a pony.
Even Bulk Biceps, and Big Mac probably the 2 largest ponies are still called ponies.

123easy said:
Except they are a separate species in the show, so not the same thing. Fantasy world with different rules than the real world, there.

In this case, we'd actually need a separate tag for them, like pony_(mlp) or something.
No, scratch that. Terrible idea.

I maintain my points on this

seems easiest to focus purely on the effects these tags will have, rather than their historical accuracy

Fluttershy said:
link?

ffffffffffff- it's in one of the episodes where they specifically remark that this one character is not a pony, he's a horse, and shit. I don't remember which one, just that that scene stuck with me when my roomie was watching it. I am NOT gonna go watch MLP:FiM just to find that scene again. x_x

EsalRider said:
In this case, we'd actually need a separate tag for them, like pony_(mlp) or something.
No, scratch that. Terrible idea.

I argued that it should have been done as such or similar back when the tag first got completely and utterly taken over by MLP ponies. It was dismissed.

So can I continue fixing or nah?

For anyone who claims that a Pegasus is not a winged horse, you are wrong. Pegasus is not actually the species of the creature, but its NAME. The creature actually literally is a WINGED HORSE named Pegasus. Pegasus should technically not be a species tag at all, but I won't complain about that.

TheHuskyK9 said:
So can I continue fixing or nah?

fixing as in removing horse from pictures with just unicorns or pegasuses?

If the answer is yes, then please continue

Rainbow_Dash said:
fixing as in removing horse from pictures with just unicorns or pegasuses?

If the answer is yes, then please continue

Good.
One last thing though, we need to deimplicate pony from ponification for the unicorns and pegasi.

Rainbow_Dash said:
fixing as in removing horse from pictures with just unicorns or pegasuses?

If the answer is yes, then please continue

Ok

Jatix said:
Good.
One last thing though, we need to deimplicate pony from ponification for the unicorns and pegasi.

This

Lucali said:
For anyone who claims that a Pegasus is not a winged horse, you are wrong. Pegasus is not actually the species of the creature, but its NAME. The creature actually literally is a WINGED HORSE named Pegasus. Pegasus should technically not be a species tag at all, but I won't complain about that.

So much what. So all winged horses are named Pegasus? Must get confusing at Pegasus school; why can't some be named bob? It's a species if I ever heard of one.

anon_X said:
So much what. So all winged horses are named Pegasus? Must get confusing at Pegasus school; why can't some be named bob? It's a species if I ever heard of one.

The original was a name and we use it as a species now

Implication of ponification -> pony deleted

anon_X said:
So much what. So all winged horses are named Pegasus? Must get confusing at Pegasus school; why can't some be named bob? It's a species if I ever heard of one.

The original mythological Pegasus was merely a winged horse NAMED Pegasus. Pegasus is not the name of its species. I believe it had a brother too named Chryseus or something? Chryseas? Regardless, whenever anyone sees a winged horse they call it a Pegasus because Pegasus was the most famous winged horse, even though the species itself is not called Pegasus. By that notion, a Pegasus is, in fact, a winged horse, making the horse tag perfectly legitimate. Besides, when I search horse, I was to see everything that is a horse and everything that looks like it is a horse. I expect pegasi and unicorns to come up as well. I don't want to have to search horse OR pegasus OR unicorn, if there is even a way to use or when you search.

The original Pegasus was just Pegasus. He wasn't just a winged horse any more than a centaur is just a human horse. He's a mythical beast born of the union of Medusa and Poseidon- No horse was involved in his conception or birth. Two of the more prominant legends of his birth state they sprung from the blood that ran from his mother's neck after her head was cut off, or from two drops of her blood that fell into the sea. Also, his brother Chrysaor was completely human, though he fathered Geryon on his wife.

So, yeah. Not just a winged horse. Just when describing him, easiest way to define is "horse with wings" for the layperson. Just because you dumb down the explanation so they can understand what it looks like does not mean that it is in fact the dumbed down concept. Like when talking about rats and mice, you can call the former larger more wild mice, or the latter smaller, meeker rats, to describe them to someone- Doesn't mean that it's correct.

Moving on- the individual creature Pegasus has spawned an entire species of creatures that are the named after him as a species, are the same as him, and breed true. Breeding true is the largest point of contention for if a species is separate from others within its genus, scientifically. Even then, they wouldn't be equus since they share no roots with other horses or other creatures that belong to the genus.

...and now my head hurts. Why didn't I expect a combination mythology/genetics lesson when I logged on to a internet furry porn forum?

123easy said:
The original Pegasus was just Pegasus. He wasn't just a winged horse any more than a centaur is just a human horse. He's a mythical beast born of the union of Medusa and Poseidon- No horse was involved in his conception or birth. Two of the more prominant legends of his birth state they sprung from the blood that ran from his mother's neck after her head was cut off, or from two drops of her blood that fell into the sea. Also, his brother Chrysaor was completely human, though he fathered Geryon on his wife.

So, yeah. Not just a winged horse. Just when describing him, easiest way to define is "horse with wings" for the layperson. Just because you dumb down the explanation so they can understand what it looks like does not mean that it is in fact the dumbed down concept. Like when talking about rats and mice, you can call the former larger more wild mice, or the latter smaller, meeker rats, to describe them to someone- Doesn't mean that it's correct.

Moving on- the individual creature Pegasus has spawned an entire species of creatures that are the named after him as a species, are the same as him, and breed true. Breeding true is the largest point of contention for if a species is separate from others within its genus, scientifically. Even then, they wouldn't be equus since they share no roots with other horses or other creatures that belong to the genus.

Pegasus was born as a winged horse because Poseidon had sex with Medusa in the form of a horse (or apparently the form of a bird in some stories), which birthed a DIVINE WINGED HORSE. So yes, a horse was involved in his birth when Poseidon went all Horse God on Medusa's apparently sexy ass.

No one would ever describe a rat as a large mouse or a mouse as a small rat. They would more likely say a rat is LIKE a mouse, but bigger or a mouse is LIKE a rat only smaller. Pegasus IS a winged horse. He is a winged horse according to the original Greek. He is a winged horse. Period.

Pegasus has spawned an entire species of creature? Really? I don't think I have ever seen a Pegasus. If you can bring a Pegasus to my front door and scientifically prove to me that it is a separate species from a horse, I will concede the discussion to you. Otherwise, your argument is invalid.

Lucali said:
Pegasus was born as a winged horse because Poseidon had sex with Medusa in the form of a horse (or apparently the form of a bird in some stories), which birthed a DIVINE WINGED HORSE. So yes, a horse was involved in his birth when Poseidon went all Horse God on Medusa's apparently sexy ass.

No one would ever describe a rat as a large mouse or a mouse as a small rat. They would more likely say a rat is LIKE a mouse, but bigger or a mouse is LIKE a rat only smaller. Pegasus IS a winged horse. He is a winged horse according to the original Greek. He is a winged horse. Period.

Pegasus has spawned an entire species of creature? Really? I don't think I have ever seen a Pegasus. If you can bring a Pegasus to my front door and scientifically prove to me that it is a separate species from a horse, I will concede the discussion to you. Otherwise, your argument is invalid.

Cool story bro but this wouldn't work in the tags on e621 as already explained multiple times before in this thread and it's still getting fixed.

Pegasus solo is nearly clean except for a few posts, where I'm not 100% sure how to tag.
Maybe someone could take a look at it .

Jatix said:
Pegasus solo is nearly clean except for a few posts, where I'm not 100% sure how to tag.
Maybe someone could take a look at it .

Fixed all but one. Most of them was mistagged (some weren't solo, some weren't pegasi, etc.)

Thank you everyone, the pegasus lives strong for another day!

Alrighty! I've finished up the unicorns, which means this project is finished. A big thank you to everyone that helped out (you guys get a free cookie). Since this is ongoing, I will keep an eye on them forever.