can't wait to see the rest!
^o^

Why the downvotes..?

Lorem~ said:
Why the downvotes..?

because it's blatant advertisement for their patreon, when this is more of an art archive site not a social media site.

Honestly images like these shouldn't be allowed imo

Lorem~ said:
Why the downvotes..?

pc-king said:
because it's blatant advertisement for their patreon, when this is more of an art archive site not a social media site.

DurgonsRSexy said:
Honestly images like these shouldn't be allowed imo

Uploading guidelines for advertisement were actually revised pretty heavily quite recently thanks to some artists using patreon logos for censoring genitalia and thinking that will end well. However sometimes advertisement isn't that obvious and some material are going to be on the line.
https://e621.net/wiki/show/uploading_guidelines#ads

And I would say in this case, this is more than fine to stay and my reasoning is here: blitzdrachin cropped

All of their uploads like this in themselves have contained good proportion of artwork in themselves, none have even patreon logo in them and almost all have also been in higher quality, meaning they are being kept even after the full version have been uploaded onto the site. Even if one purpose of the post is to advertise full deal before it's released in public, I don't see anything in the post itself to even warrant advertisement tag.

Of course you are free to express your own opinions of this like you have and I do say that this is one of the most tactically cropped versions they have uploaded so I can surely see where slight anger is coming from. And of course it is up to artist to manage their reputation and these kind of uploads do have change of having negative impact. But as I am looking at this situation overall, I would say that try not to get too angry for artist trying to maintain their ability to provide free smut and awesome artwork for all of you and tries to do it transparently and fair.

Mario69 said:
Uploading guidelines for advertisement were actually revised pretty heavily quite recently thanks to some artists using patreon logos for censoring genitalia and thinking that will end well. However sometimes advertisement isn't that obvious and some material are going to be on the line.
https://e621.net/wiki/show/uploading_guidelines#ads

And I would say in this case, this is more than fine to stay and my reasoning is here: blitzdrachin cropped

All of their uploads like this in themselves have contained good proportion of artwork in themselves, none have even patreon logo in them and almost all have also been in higher quality, meaning they are being kept even after the full version have been uploaded onto the site. Even if one purpose of the post is to advertise full deal before it's released in public, I don't see anything in the post itself to even warrant advertisement tag.

Of course you are free to express your own opinions of this like you have and I do say that this is one of the most tactically cropped versions they have uploaded so I can surely see where slight anger is coming from. And of course it is up to artist to manage their reputation and these kind of uploads do have change of having negative impact. But as I am looking at this situation overall, I would say that try not to get too angry for artist trying to maintain their ability to provide free smut and awesome artwork for all of you and tries to do it transparently and fair.

Basically this. some artists this is legitimately their only way to make larger sums of money in their area or is their only reliable source of income. plus Blitz basically tells the public the exact date the public version will be available and isn't obligated to allow them to be free to post in the first place.

Its honestly done just to prove what they've been working on and to let people know what to expect minus the crop and its fine by me on a personal level because again, if this is your only reliable income then you're obviously going to want to make sure to keep those interested in a certain month of content interested to drop 5 bucks for that entire months worth of work. It guarantees stability, and everyone still gets to see it publicly later. Blitz has not of yet actually gone back on that promise.

I get some people dislike it, but it isn't pay walling if you still get to see it for free later now is it?

Mario69 said:
Uploading guidelines for advertisement were actually revised pretty heavily quite recently thanks to some artists using patreon logos for censoring genitalia and thinking that will end well. However sometimes advertisement isn't that obvious and some material are going to be on the line.
https://e621.net/wiki/show/uploading_guidelines#ads

And I would say in this case, this is more than fine to stay and my reasoning is here: blitzdrachin cropped

All of their uploads like this in themselves have contained good proportion of artwork in themselves, none have even patreon logo in them and almost all have also been in higher quality, meaning they are being kept even after the full version have been uploaded onto the site. Even if one purpose of the post is to advertise full deal before it's released in public, I don't see anything in the post itself to even warrant advertisement tag.

Of course you are free to express your own opinions of this like you have and I do say that this is one of the most tactically cropped versions they have uploaded so I can surely see where slight anger is coming from. And of course it is up to artist to manage their reputation and these kind of uploads do have change of having negative impact. But as I am looking at this situation overall, I would say that try not to get too angry for artist trying to maintain their ability to provide free smut and awesome artwork for all of you and tries to do it transparently and fair.

It's still blatantly an advertisement. Still strikes me as distasteful exploitation of the service. No one gets much out of these images except for the artist posting the teaser. They are fully entitled to paywall and fully entitled to post cropped teasers on their FA. But this cropped art will probably never be taken down here, and it'll be archieved despite a full version being posted, as you can already see from the cropped art that remain up. I don't know why anyone would argue that these advertisement crops are being kept up demonstrates why they are OK? This practice seems to defeat the point of the service, which is to archive works of art, and how is it worthy of the service to have or keep cropped images that are exclusively promotional material? If I am searching for art like this, it's just a waste of my time and most people's time to be given cropped images along the full version. How is this not considered an obvious "lower quality version" of another version of the image, when the original gets uploaded?

Also, artists are entirely capable of making people interested in their work by posting non-cropped teased images on e621 to notice them, and many of them have. But what this kind of thing does is make me completely disinterested in checking out their FA or patreon or anything else, because I am here to look at art and not people's blatant advertisements.

And before anyone says the content of the image -itself- doesn't demonstrate advertisement, I'm sorry, but context really does matter. If you post a teasing image and then link to your patreon in the description advertising the 'full version', it is legitimate for it to change the context and evaluation of the image itself. I am sure that it is entirely possible to post an image that would seem to follow guidelines on this site but post a description to it that changes its context and makes it obviously unacceptable, such as making the image appear hateful, racist, or an attack on an individual. So why are advertisements not similarly context sensitive?

Dunder said:
It's still blatantly an advertisement. Still strikes me as distasteful exploitation of the service. No one gets much out of these images except for the artist posting the teaser. They are fully entitled to paywall and fully entitled to post cropped teasers on their FA. But this cropped art will probably never be taken down here, and it'll be archieved despite a full version being posted, as you can already see from the cropped art that remain up. I don't know why anyone would argue that these advertisement crops are being kept up demonstrates why they are OK? This practice seems to defeat the point of the service, which is to archive works of art, and how is it worthy of the service to have or keep cropped images that are exclusively promotional material? If I am searching for art like this, it's just a waste of my time and most people's time to be given cropped images along the full version. How is this not considered an obvious "lower quality version" of another version of the image, when the original gets uploaded?

Also, artists are entirely capable of making people interested in their work by posting non-cropped teased images on e621 to notice them, and many of them have. But what this kind of thing does is make me completely disinterested in checking out their FA or patreon or anything else, because I am here to look at art and not people's blatant advertisements.

And before anyone says the content of the image -itself- doesn't demonstrate advertisement, I'm sorry, but context really does matter. If you post a teasing image and then link to your patreon in the description advertising the 'full version', it is legitimate for it to change the context and evaluation of the image itself. I am sure that it is entirely possible to post an image that would seem to follow guidelines on this site but post a description to it that changes its context and makes it obviously unacceptable, such as making the image appear hateful, racist, or an attack on an individual. So why are advertisements not similarly context sensitive?

Well, it seems you didn't read all of what I said.

So like I said, these crops are of higher quality than the later publicly released full version. In these cases there's tradeoff, you cannot get higher quality from full post and cannot undo more artwork into crop, so in these cases both versions always stay. If the cropped version was same or lower resolution or made by third party, at that point it would be immidiately seen as inferior and deleted as such. If the full version with highest quality was posted directly, then both of those versions would be inferior to it, but we do have rule againts paid content under 2 years old and artist also has ability to takedown that version even after two years. Like you yourself said, the point of this website is to archive furry artwork, so this is exactly that - we are trying to archive the material to best of ability and with artists conditions. If we deleted higher quality variation, that would be pretty lousy archival.

Also if this is where you draw the line of advertisement, how about the images where there's huge patreon url and text that alternate - more explicit - artwork is patreon only?
post #1248555 post #1279748
(on second see FA source)

There's also other artists who does the whole hi res crops as teasers, latest examples I remember being Zaush and Valkoinen, latter is where all explicit parts and majority of the artwork was cropped:
post #1150145 post #1244455

As I'm reading the first paragraph overall, I'm getting the feeling that you are completely disregarding artists artwork on sole purpose that it was explicit portion that was cropped from it? I would like to forward you to look up artist hattonslayden. Almost all of the content is cropped, because they were published on deviantart where pornographic content isn't allowed and they are selling their artwork trough eBooks and patreon. These were also uploaded here by other users rather than artist. Does them being cropped and sold elsewhere suddenly nullify their work or value as artwork? Because I cannot see it that way. Same situation here, I see really well done artwork which is large enough to be used as wallpaper if I please.

If we get the talk down to pure business side and we only consider this as pornographic product, then at that point this is advertisement for you as consumer wanting only that. But that's exactly why I said that you as individual are free to voice this concern and artist is the one taking the risk of making their potential customer have negative feelings towards them - you are free to voice this like with any other thing you can give money. However this does not directly change the guidelines we have or other possible values of the post.

As for last thing, I would like you to click the link to our advertisement guidelines I linked earlier and read the bullet points once again. I can even copy them here for convinience:

• advertising your patreon or paysite in the description of art you have created / commissioned is also perfectly fine

We specifically allow using description field however artist/uploader pleases as long as it doesn't break any other rules or laws. Also as for tagging and approvals, description field counts as external information, this is not to be used with tags and approval. Also also, this posts description even says that you can also choose to simply wait instead of pay for the full version! What more do you want?

And as it says in guidelines, staff always have last say on approvals and everything is looked individually. I have now looked at this situation at least three times and I still fail to see where is this advertisement part which would justify deletion as such. If you do not wish to see this kind of content, blacklist blitzdrachin cropped (on same line if you want to see other content by the artist still), cropped and advertisement.

as u scroll down without reading and just think "that's a lot of hate." *sees pics* "OOOO! I'm interested now!"

LatiasLoveBoss said:
as u scroll down without reading and just think "that's a lot of hate." *sees pics* "OOOO! I'm interested now!"

Whenever I see it's Mario69 or any other admins posting comments, I read the whole thing, even if it's nothing about me :)

Voltmander said:
Whenever I see it's Mario69 or any other admins posting comments, I read the whole thing, even if it's nothing about me :)

Of course. We're perfect.

Knotty_Curls said:
Of course. We're perfect.

Not intending to stroke your... back, but it's plain fascinating seeing you guys remain calm and objective and also investing a lot time to prove your point and giving it good wording. It's just professional - not unlike the art itself that is presented on this very website by so many talented artists.

Keep it up.

And as always, the golden rule is: if you think something wastes your time or dissents your taste, the blacklist is your (only) friend.