I think the camera fell over, there's something in the way!

Oh fun, a patreon paywall preview.

Glorified advert.

Anal penetration? How can you tell?

ebea57 said:
Anal penetration? How can you tell?

it could be anything under there

Was wondering when I would finally see one of these in the negatives honestly. Really don't understand how these teasing ads get hundreds of upvotes.

Either post the full thing or dont post at all >:-(

I can't believe this. These guy's having sex are completely ruining my rock-watching trip.

felicity_longis said:
Because artists who work very hard doing what they're passionate about understand that their work can be appreciated without gratuitous sexual detail.

I'm an artist and I absolutely understand what you're saying. However, you don't see an image on e6 that's a cropped page with the text "See the full version now on patreon!", you occasionally have censored stuff that are good pieces on their own and these are not the case.

I don't really get worked up about it, this is the first time I ever commented about it lol.

They're probably just rubbing sticks to make a fire behind that rock.

Looks like we all got rock-blocked

Here is my attempt to recreate what's behind the rock. I'm a professional artist.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4BurB1.png

ebea57 said:
Here is my attempt to recreate what's behind the rock. I'm a professional artist.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4BurB1.png

Absolutely Perfect. It’s like I’m looking at the real thing

If what I've read is actually true, then the reason many people may dislike this censoring may not just be because it's a paywall, but may be because:
#1 on the Patreon (where all of these previews lead to) the same thing happens. I recall someone showing screenshots of their posts and all of them were pretty much the same. The preview of the image (the same one from here) and text essentially saying 'this animation will be given to gold tier patrons in the mail at the end of the month'.
#2 Others have claimed that due to them only becoming patrons later, all of the previous animations were essentially locked out because Biko wouldn't resend previous monthly packs to new patrons.
#3 When the inevitable happened and his work got pirated, he (presumably, I was not there to see it happen) posted malware and viruses disguised as monthly packs and special rewards in order to stop the pirates. This obviously angered them and now they have entire threads about when he uploads on Patreon so they can pirate their work ASAP (in a way for them to say'fuck you, you can't stop us').

All of these are just stories and assumptions from other people, so I can't confirm anything stated above.

felicity_longis said:
...hostile to an artist's efforts to get their work out there and make it a source of income.

Criticism is not hostility. If people want to run ads for their work, they should buy ad space. What some artists (including this one) are doing is side-stepping that -and- anyone's attempt to blacklist adverts for being what they are, which is what this post is: Advertisement.

This is just one of a combination of scummy tactics artists get rightfully criticized for. I can respect people wanting to profit off their own work, but I do not consider that a free pass to, among many things, profit off IP or characters they have no rights to, defraud customers/supporters, and moan, complain, and deflect legitimate feedback as being "hostile", "you're just trying to get free artwork", or "you're being entitled".

Lets hopp on!
ON THE TRAIN OF HATE!

Thank god Patreon advertisements like this are finally being downvote bombed

felicity_longis said:
I got a couple there, which I appreciate. Not everyone thinks with their apparently angry genitals.

Or here, in just a couple of months!

Glad to see the moderation staff doing god's work. I'm sorry that their view of how to run their site doesn't line up with yours :^)

Why didnt you quote exactly what i said instead of editing it? Almost like you didnt want my arguement heard cuz u knew i was right

e621boi said:
Why didnt you quote exactly what i said instead of editing it? Almost like you didnt want my arguement heard cuz u knew i was right

I really don't see the benefit of quoting your entire pointless diatribe. All you did was tell the staff how you think they should run their website. Moreover, you apparently only bothered after they gave you a warning for not taking the incredibly simple and quick steps required to never have to see any of the content which so upsets you ever again. That's not really an "argument" so much as a "fit". I get that you've only been here for a bit over five months, but the blacklist is a pretty important function which exists both to save you the trouble of seeing content you want to avoid, and to save everyone else the trouble of having to deal with people like you who make it a point to bitch about content they can easily avoid.

As a tangent; nobody who has ever written the word "cuz" in place of "because", "u" in place of "you", and not bothered to simply capitalize "I", all in the same sentence, has ever said anything worth listening to. That's a hill I'll die on.

black-eyebill said:
Criticism is not hostility. If people want to run ads for their work, they should buy ad space. What some artists (including this one) are doing is side-stepping that -and- anyone's attempt to blacklist adverts for being what they are, which is what this post is: Advertisement.

This is just one of a combination of scummy tactics artists get rightfully criticized for. I can respect people wanting to profit off their own work, but I do not consider that a free pass to, among many things, profit off IP or characters they have no rights to, defraud customers/supporters, and moan, complain, and deflect legitimate feedback as being "hostile", "you're just trying to get free artwork", or "you're being entitled".

You can still very easily blacklist content of this nature. I'm really not sure why this is such a difficult thing for people to get. One line: conditional_dnp convenient_censorship censorship. Mix and match as needed. If a post is missing a relevant tag, you add it and move on.
One point I can certainly agree on is that there is a grey area regarding earning money on content featuring IPs which you do not have the right to. That said, this is hardly a new or unique occurrence. It is up to the copyright holder to enforce the standards of who can and cannot use their work. Given the nature of copyright law, in the United States at least, it's fairly easy to play the "parody" card and be able to work around that if you know how to manage it. Point being, while perhaps not entirely morally justified, the content is not breaking any laws and so is viewed as being as legitimate as any other content featuring original characters.
Also I'm not sure who's being defrauded here. If you go to the patreon and pay for the work, you get the work. You get the exact thing you pay for, as advertised. That's... pretty much the opposite of being defrauded. There really isn't any deflection or moaning either. Well, maybe a little moaning; this is all very tiresome. For them to deflect, there would have to be legitimate feedback. So far everything here boils down to bitching about being cock-blocked, which is hilarious when you realize that there is a mountain of other content of these exact same characters doing the exact same thing. If there was a legitimate artistic critique to be had, then go for it. But at this point, nearly every issue people have with the image revolves around having to see something that, by the design of this website and with minimal effort, you really don't have to see. I said it before; I don't like feet stuff. If someone posts a foot-focused image of characters I like, I don't complain about not being able to get off to it, because I never see it, because I use my blacklist. And even if I did see it because someone forgot to add the relevant tags, I'd add them and move on.

felicity_longis said:
Also I'm not sure who's being defrauded here. If you go to the patreon and pay for the work, you get the work. You get the exact thing you pay for, as advertised. That's... pretty much the opposite of being defrauded.

This v

puff6011 said:
If what I've read is actually true, then the reason many people may dislike this censoring may not just be because it's a paywall, but may be because:
#1 on the Patreon (where all of these previews lead to) the same thing happens. I recall someone showing screenshots of their posts and all of them were pretty much the same. The preview of the image (the same one from here) and text essentially saying 'this animation will be given to gold tier patrons in the mail at the end of the month'.
#2 Others have claimed that due to them only becoming patrons later, all of the previous animations were essentially locked out because Biko wouldn't resend previous monthly packs to new patrons.

I'm not super big on Patreon, but I'm pretty sure most other artists don't do this?

sexygriffon said:
I'm not super big on Patreon, but I'm pretty sure most other artists don't do this?

A lot of artists do that. Personally I'm not a fan, but it does make sense. If you pay $5 a month for example, that's understood to be the value of a months worth of work. If you paid $5 up front then $1 subsequently, it could be understood that you're paying for previous work as well. Likewise, many artists just make the good faith move to give away the previous work to patrons, but that's really more of a "thank you" than a "you paid for this", at least in some cases. It's really up to the artist to determine what your money gets you. They have to be upfront about it, but as long as its laid out then no wrongdoing has been committed. Looking at this artist's patreon, they're pretty transparent about what animations go to what tiers. They definitely sit at a maybe higher-than-average price point, but nobody is being defrauded.

felicity_longis said:
It is up to the copyright holder to enforce the standards of who can and cannot use their work.

That is not a valid reason or excuse to willingly violate the law for your own gain. Moving on.

If you go to the patreon and pay for the work, you get the work. You get the exact thing you pay for, as advertised. That's... pretty much the opposite of being defrauded.

Except for when you don't. When an artist's deception conceals that fact either by not making it entirely obvious or through the lie of omission, they are actively participating (willingly or otherwise) in a passive form of fraud. The fact it remains the case despite them being confronted about in the past leans to it being intentional at this point and nothing short of bait&switch to people who aren't already aware of it due the information not being communicated properly.
Note: At the time of writing, there is no mention of limited/no access to pre-existing works on Biko's patreon page ( https://imgur.com/a/Vkdz7ip )

Most patreon artists do -not- prevent new patrons from accessing older content because the point of monetizing their work is so they can -keep making art- and they use their existing stockpile as a buyer/donor/patreon incentive that only increases in value as they continue to grow their galleries. In fact, many artists have adopted the sound business strategy of releasing 90% of their content after a time delay and payment basically being an incentive for early access and more frequent works (among the artist-specific offerings which are many).

As far as blacklisting is concerned, conditional_dnp and all forms of censorship can be done so in a way that's not artistically tasteless many artists use these in a way that doesn't warrant having to blacklist a series of tags because they want to more or less circumvent buying ad space. Because I guess artists be damned for having to pay to advertise their work on a website they don't own or pay for in addition to all the other antics I've gone over so far.

Edit: More or less a follow-up, but: It's not my intent for this to come off as some sort of anti-patreon/advertising tangent, because it isn't. There are good and bad practices and this is a clear case of the latter. Things like this only serve to further degrade the negative reputation that patreon artists earned themselves due to the history behind what's gone on with the platform, and posts like these only serve to inflame people and further generate that hostility. You're not going to convince anyone to support you by making a nuisance out of yourself.
If you want to advertise, support the site and buy adspace. You're not entitled to free advertising because you want to profit off your work.

That's the extent I'm going to comment on this matter specifically. I'm just glad there is a trend of artists doing more constructive things with their work instead of trying to purposefully incite people and then call them "entitled" for criticizing them for it. Pot calling the kettles black.

By the way...

The guidelines say:

'Your Character Here' auctions, censored Patreon images, or other censored paysite previews are almost always unacceptable, thus expect these to get deleted.

black-eyebill said:
That is not a valid reason or excuse to willingly violate the law for your own gain. Moving on.

Except it's not against the law, so... If the copyright holder really wants to pursue the case they can, and it's been done before with some success. Broadly speaking though, cases against parody work are very hard to make.

black-eyebill said:
Except for when you don't. When an artist's deception conceals that fact either by not making it entirely obvious or through the lie of omission, they are actively participating (willingly or otherwise) in a passive form of fraud. The fact it remains the case despite them being confronted about in the past leans to it being intentional at this point and nothing short of bait&switch to people who aren't already aware of it due the information not being communicated properly.

That's definitely what being defrauded is. And that's definitely not what's happening here.

black-eyebill said:
Note: At the time of writing, there is no mention of limited/no access to pre-existing works on Biko's patreon page ( https://imgur.com/a/Vkdz7ip )

Really? That's really what you're going with? You do that big ol' "See All 5 Levels" button there, right? And if you hit that it shows the remaining two levels, both of which pretty clearly state that those are the levels at which you gain access to previous work.

As far as the practices of individual artists go, it's really up to them. What one artist does has no relevance in how another artist should conduct themselves. Are some more generous than others? Of course. Do some have a better grasp of what the community does and doesn't want to see? Certainly. But that doesn't mean that any single artist or group of artists should be held to the same arbitrary standards as any other. They have their Patreon account. They're following the ToS. They're making enough money to see it as a worthwhile investment of time and resources. That's really as good as you can ask.

And I really wouldn't call out any single artist for intentionally inciting any sort of negative feedback in this sense. Bikomation has an account here, and engages with the community from time to time. Thus far they haven't chimed in, which is entirely within their rights to do. I might be a bit of a zealot when it comes to defending the rights of an artist to do as they please. I'll gladly admit to that. I'm coming from the side of the "Anything any artist gives us for free, preview or complete, is a gift. Be happy to have it." camp. If the staff here don't see what you view as a circumvention of the advertisement policy as an issue, then it's not an issue. There's no entitlement on their part for doing what is within the rules of E621. Notably also within the rules of E621 is how one is expected to use the blacklist and interact (or not interact) with offensive content. It would seem pretty obvious where the line lies in regards to the matter.

sexygriffon said:
The guidelines say:
'Your Character Here' auctions, censored Patreon images, or other censored paysite previews are almost always unacceptable, thus expect these to get deleted.

Well, seeing as how this image has been approved, it's clearly not a problem!

Why does this post have an extreme negative score?

thrillter said:
Why does this post have an extreme negative score?

I feel that the dislike are there because of two things:
One, people do not appreciate the "teasing" being censored and so they can't have a thing to fap to even though it's not the full short, and two, people are not accepting the fact that the artist is charging money for people to see his full content on Patreon just so they could support themselves financially. I let the artist know of the dislike bombing and he told me that everything is alright and that people will do this sometimes. It's bound to happen to anyone, even the best.

corvusthefox said:
I feel that the dislike are there because of two things:
One, people do not appreciate the "teasing" being censored and so they can't have a thing to fap to even though it's not the full short, and two, people are not accepting the fact that the artist is charging money for people to see his full content on Patreon just so they could support themselves financially. I let the artist know of the dislike bombing and he told me that everything is alright and that people will do this sometimes. It's bound to happen to anyone, even the best.

My first time ever commenting, cuz felt the need to do so. People aren't mad because "The artist is charging for his work", people are mad because this clearly is an ad/paywall, plus being cockblocked on a website were we come to watch porno.

Take diives for instance, his work uploaded here are sometimes kinda of an ad for his patreon page, but he won't upload a censored version of his animations, but rather a questionable/safe version were the characters are dressed, for example, that are waaaay more accept by the community than the way aprouched on this post, we ALL know that the explict version will be released in the future, likewise bikomation's work.

So, again, people aren't mad because is a "no-explict version", people are mad because is CLEARLY a paywall/ad, like a picture were a patreon logo is used for hiding the naughty bits, but a little more subble.
I know the artist need money for his work, and also need a mode to promote it, I'm just pointing out that exist better ways to do so. But hey, that's just me, everyone knows what are best for themselves.

mrjack said:
My first time ever commenting, cuz felt the need to do so. People aren't mad because "The artist is charging for his work", people are mad because this clearly is an ad/paywall, plus being cockblocked on a website were we come to watch porno.

Take diives for instance, his work uploaded here are sometimes kinda of an ad for his patreon page, but he won't upload a censored version of his animations, but rather a questionable/safe version were the characters are dressed, for example, that are waaaay more accept by the community than the way aprouched on this post, we ALL know that the explict version will be released in the future, likewise bikomation's work.

So, again, people aren't mad because is a "no-explict version", people are mad because is CLEARLY a paywall/ad, like a picture were a patreon logo is used for hiding the naughty bits, but a little more subble.
I know the artist need money for his work, and also need a mode to promote it, I'm just pointing out that exist better ways to do so. But hey, that's just me, everyone knows what are best for themselves.

Yeah good point. We probably shouldn't be begging for free art either e621 lost Jasonafex because of the fact people only care about free art. They need to have some way to support themselves I would definitely agree.

Artists can shill their patreon all they like, I don't care, but why waste serverspace with legit cockblocking instead of making a banner ad?

felicity_longis said:

Well, seeing as how this image has been approved, it's clearly not a problem!

Ever heard of a human being making a mistake?

Damn, not only was this post sent to downvote hell, but the comments have turned into a total flame-war.
I understand the downvotes but don't entirely understand why people don't just switch to another image if they don't like the censoring this one has?

sexygriffon said:
Ever heard of a human being making a mistake?

Seems like something to take up with the janitorial and moderation staff then. Given how many of Bikomation's pieces like this have been approved in the past, it's pretty damn obvious that they don't consider this to be a violation of the site's rules.

thebuzzman said:
Some definite censoring going on. Two of my comments have mysteriously vanished.

so? This is just a furry imageboard, who cares if one your one comment criticizing an artist's paywall is deleted, just find another artist.

thebuzzman said:
By the way comments are being deleted.

I think the comments that are considered too profane or aggressive are being deleted. But maybe that isn't the case. I'm pretty sure there are admins who check on the comments every now and then.

thebuzzman said:
Some definite censoring going on. Two of my comments have mysteriously vanished.

By default, anyone's comments are hidden from view if they're below -3 score, which some of yours are. You can change this threshold in your user settings, but your comments are still all there. Alternatively, go to the top and click "View all Comments"

ebea57 said:
Here is my attempt to recreate what's behind the rock. I'm a professional artist.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4BurB1.png

damn now this reminds me of those memes were you slap monkey haircuts, lettuce feet, and lucky luciano's arms on context-less images

Simba looks about right. Kovu's face is the one giving me the creeps bending space and time at the same time

I'll probably also get downvoted to hell regarding my take on this picture's drama. But personally, I really don't understand where this hostility came from. Like, this specific artist has done this a bunch of times before, and I don't think I've ever seen flack in the comments for it. Maybe once it thrice every now and then, but never to this degree, when was the change?
Like, I get it, why tease something if it'll take months to get to us? But that's just how advertising works. I don't understand how this artist, who has a bunch of animations well over 200 upvotes and even more favorites, suddenly gets downvote bombed over something they've done a bunch of times before. Why are you all so fed up with it now when other posts like this have the exact opposite number of upvotes compared to the downvotes this one has. Out of no where people are making jokes and memes off of a business practice some artists just need to do to make a living. Just... Seems kinda harsh, don't you think?
And there can still be a hotness factor to censorship like this. It's doesn't cover everything, so you can still imagine what's happening quite well. Sometimes some pictures are hotter like this, though I know that doesn't apply to everyone.

I know I'm gonna get downvoted, but all I'm saying is that I think you all are being a tiny bit too harsh. I know, it's sucky to tease us like this, but I feel like this is being taken way too seriously. Like, this feels like some sort of e6 canceling post, and I hate canceling with an absolute passion. So can we all just... Chill? And get back to jerking off to other things on here, rather than being toxic? It's an advertisement pic on a furry porn site, it really is not that serious, guys. We're better than this petty stuff.

binagon said:
Looks like we all got rock-blocked

Rock-Blocked. LOL.

sexygriffon said:
By the way...

Yet this has been saved before for some reason.

It's kinda fascinating to see how two almost identically made posts, other can be upvoted and liked to heavens and still deleted, then other is stomped to the ground and constantly flagged falsely. And it's not just this artist.

Because I replaced post #2508157 couple days ago, that post was really upvoted and had bunch of favorites, but for some reason the new post (exact same tags, exactly the same content but just higher quality now) was initially only downvoted and had comment stating how it's just blatant advertising. Only after I commented did people start to upvote the new post.

I guess in this posts instance it might be because of the bigger focus on pornographic aspect while the censoring being less funny or creative which additionally covers everything and bit more.

drunk_dragon said:
Yet this has been saved before for some reason.

First and foremost, guidelines are still guidelines, not rules, so there can be leeway one way or another depending on situation and it's down to janitors to enforce them for the best of their abilities or ultimately for admins to rule. We have had situations where artist drew furry with speech bubble "I am here to make this post relevant" and thus on technical level making human only post acceptable here, but the post being deleted on the basis it's clearly done to maliciously bypass the guidelines and majority of the focus still being on the human content, even if guidelines state that portrayal of non-human character makes post acceptable.

Patreon censor means mostly literal patreon censors, as that was a huge trend back when the guidelines were revised, before that these were fully acceptable uploads:
post #877386 post #891863 post #900694
If the post is censored in other regular means and there's uncensored version elsewhere, these cases are handled case-by-case, because with something like Pixiv, you are required to censor your works uploaded there and artists might provide uncensored versions on patreon simply because they do not use other sites. With these cases the only way for us to host the artwork is by the freely available censored versions. Additionally sometimes freely shared version is still clearly labeled as such in the image itself with some advertising elements:
post #2530646

Because the main reasoning behind the guideline is to stop the site from becoming front page of furaffinity where 90% of the newest stuff is YCH, reminders, adoptables, price sheets, stream notifications and patreon censors and for people to buy adslot if they want to do advertising, but also still allow artwork to be uploaded. Just because post has purpose to advertise, it can be acceptable as long as it provides more artistical or other value for the site.

And that comes to my personal take on this: convinient censorship, even though it's usually much more aggressive from other regular censor methods like black lines or mosaic, inherintly it is actually adding in more artistic value to the work, because you have to deliberately add something to the image which is coherent with the rest of the scene.

...also I'm getting sick of this post being flagged as paysite content, so I'm straight up reporting anyone doing that to admins immidiately. If you have problems with my decision to approve this post, take it with the head admin directly.

felicity_longis said:
Because artists who work very hard doing what they're passionate about understand that their work can be appreciated without gratuitous sexual detail. They recognize the value in sharing their work with the community for free in hopes that it will allow them to further their (presumable) goal of making a living off of said content. While not everyone can afford to contribute to that goal, everyone can still enjoy the artists talent free of charge. Can you get off to it? That's still up in the air, but I very much doubt that anyone's sexual gratification is dependent entirely on the explicit detail of this single post.
I won't deny that this specific approach is a bit on the nose, lacking the wit that can make things like this quite a bit more palatable. Likewise, this really isn't bikomation's best work. But given the volume and frequency of content produced, I'd say it's not anything to get worked up about.

The artist's work is released, in full and for free, only a couple of months after being posted to Patreon. bikomation, censored and convenient_censorship are probably things to add as a group to your blacklist :^)

Edit after the fact: I like that the only comments I make which get this kind of downvotes are the ones which advocate for the hardworking artists who keep this site and fandom alive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

there's a critical difference between trying to make a living, and actively hindering an experience on a platform, while i do appreciate what is here in the "censored" version, this post realistically can only accurately be described as an advertisement, trying to defend what is a frankly venomous marketing tactic just doesn't work when there's a string of functionally identical posts on a site that most people don't really go to to look for artists to throw money at

coolandhotsandvich said:
I'll probably also get downvoted to hell regarding my take on this picture's drama. But personally, I really don't understand where this hostility came from. Like, this specific artist has done this a bunch of times before, and I don't think I've ever seen flack in the comments for it. Maybe once it thrice every now and then, but never to this degree, when was the change?
Like, I get it, why tease something if it'll take months to get to us? But that's just how advertising works. I don't understand how this artist, who has a bunch of animations well over 200 upvotes and even more favorites, suddenly gets downvote bombed over something they've done a bunch of times before. Why are you all so fed up with it now when other posts like this have the exact opposite number of upvotes compared to the downvotes this one has. Out of no where people are making jokes and memes off of a business practice some artists just need to do to make a living. Just... Seems kinda harsh, don't you think?
And there can still be a hotness factor to censorship like this. It's doesn't cover everything, so you can still imagine what's happening quite well. Sometimes some pictures are hotter like this, though I know that doesn't apply to everyone.

I know I'm gonna get downvoted, but all I'm saying is that I think you all are being a tiny bit too harsh. I know, it's sucky to tease us like this, but I feel like this is being taken way too seriously. Like, this feels like some sort of e6 canceling post, and I hate canceling with an absolute passion. So can we all just... Chill? And get back to jerking off to other things on here, rather than being toxic? It's an advertisement pic on a furry porn site, it really is not that serious, guys. We're better than this petty stuff.

It's funny that since this went up, Bikomation has posted three further "censored" images, all of which sit between roughly 100 and 200 upvotes. Not sure why everyone got so sour over this piece in particular, but clearly "censorship" and "advertising" isn't so much of an issue...

saiginth said:
there's a critical difference between trying to make a living, and actively hindering an experience on a platform, while i do appreciate what is here in the "censored" version, this post realistically can only accurately be described as an advertisement, trying to defend what is a frankly venomous marketing tactic just doesn't work when there's a string of functionally identical posts on a site that most people don't really go to to look for artists to throw money at

This would have more weight to it if it wasn't for the fact that the post directly above yours put the whole issue to bed, firmly defending this manner of submission and differentiating it from the bogeyman of advertising that is being thrown around as if E621 is becoming Youtube or Amazon. I'll also point out that the only thing "venomous" about this post is the way people have responded to it, given how (I'll say again) this is neither the first, nor last post like this from this specific artist, the vast majority of which have very positive scores. I'd also have to wonder how seriously a post can "actively hinder an experience on a platform" when that platform has a nifty blacklist feature designed very specifically to save you from the unthinkable burden of not seeing dicks for free.

I look at the score and I don't think "How awful!" I think "That's how many people got frustrated." and then I smile. Abusing the site's voting feature is what results in staff wondering if we really need a downvote button. Of course we do. It's just a sad part of reality that many people who aren't old enough to be here but know how to lie sensibly, are given the same voting power as everyone else. And so they come to good images to shit them up. What do they even think they've acheived? It only takes a glance at the animation to know that the score has nothing to do with the art itself. The score shows that someone linked this image to a bunch of their friends and asked them all to downvote it for them. The pettiest attempt at vandilism by angry angry children.

I hope the mods take a good look at the people here, because this is where the idiots out themselves. We could do with 300 less assholes here.

minus said:
I look at the score and I don't think "How awful!" I think "That's how many people got frustrated." and then I smile. Abusing the site's voting feature is what results in staff wondering if we really need a downvote button. Of course we do. It's just a sad part of reality that many people who aren't old enough to be here but know how to lie sensibly, are given the same voting power as everyone else. And so they come to good images to shit them up. What do they even think they've acheived? It only takes a glance at the animation to know that the score has nothing to do with the art itself. The score shows that someone linked this image to a bunch of their friends and asked them all to downvote it for them. The pettiest attempt at vandilism by angry angry children.

I hope the mods take a good look at the people here, because this is where the idiots out themselves. We could do with 300 less assholes here.

To be fair, the post itself is kinda choppy and there's a few really strange quality issues. That said, your post is pretty funny in that you think everyone who downvoted is A) Underage, and B) Should be banned lmao

puff6011 said:
If what I've read is actually true, then the reason many people may dislike this censoring may not just be because it's a paywall, but may be because:
#1 on the Patreon (where all of these previews lead to) the same thing happens. I recall someone showing screenshots of their posts and all of them were pretty much the same. The preview of the image (the same one from here) and text essentially saying 'this animation will be given to gold tier patrons in the mail at the end of the month'.
#2 Others have claimed that due to them only becoming patrons later, all of the previous animations were essentially locked out because Biko wouldn't resend previous monthly packs to new patrons.
#3 When the inevitable happened and his work got pirated, he (presumably, I was not there to see it happen) posted malware and viruses disguised as monthly packs and special rewards in order to stop the pirates. This obviously angered them and now they have entire threads about when he uploads on Patreon so they can pirate their work ASAP (in a way for them to say'fuck you, you can't stop us').

All of these are just stories and assumptions from other people, so I can't confirm anything stated above.

wow, Really?

puff6011 said:
If what I've read is actually true, then the reason many people may dislike this censoring may not just be because it's a paywall, but may be because:
#1 on the Patreon (where all of these previews lead to) the same thing happens. I recall someone showing screenshots of their posts and all of them were pretty much the same. The preview of the image (the same one from here) and text essentially saying 'this animation will be given to gold tier patrons in the mail at the end of the month'.
#2 Others have claimed that due to them only becoming patrons later, all of the previous animations were essentially locked out because Biko wouldn't resend previous monthly packs to new patrons.
#3 When the inevitable happened and his work got pirated, he (presumably, I was not there to see it happen) posted malware and viruses disguised as monthly packs and special rewards in order to stop the pirates. This obviously angered them and now they have entire threads about when he uploads on Patreon so they can pirate their work ASAP (in a way for them to say'fuck you, you can't stop us').

All of these are just stories and assumptions from other people, so I can't confirm anything stated above.

wow, Really?

minus said:
I look at the score and I don't think "How awful!" I think "That's how many people got frustrated." and then I smile. Abusing the site's voting feature is what results in staff wondering if we really need a downvote button. Of course we do. It's just a sad part of reality that many people who aren't old enough to be here but know how to lie sensibly, are given the same voting power as everyone else. And so they come to good images to shit them up. What do they even think they've acheived? It only takes a glance at the animation to know that the score has nothing to do with the art itself. The score shows that someone linked this image to a bunch of their friends and asked them all to downvote it for them. The pettiest attempt at vandilism by angry angry children.

I hope the mods take a good look at the people here, because this is where the idiots out themselves. We could do with 300 less assholes here.

This isn't twitter you know.

e621boi said:
Either post the full thing or dont post at all >:-(

dont you think thats a bit to rude i mean they put a lot of effort into these animations, there not easy to make plus i mean they put the uncensored version on their partrion probably because they want to make a bit of money for spending the time to make these animations

sexygriffon said:
Ever heard of a human being making a mistake?

hey so that means you must be one because you think its okay to call them one because you dont like that they censord something in one of the ton of animations they made, not to mention they put a ton of effort into making these animations so screw you because they want you to spend a few dollers to watch an uncensored version of the animation because they put a ton of effort into making these

And also, “intentionally giving malware and other malicious things because your art is getting leaked” is such a childish fucking answer. Imagine you got your whole system compromised because you were being a pirate.

For the MILLIONTH time, he NEVER put any malware in his files. YP had an attack on their site and spammed many artist's shared files. Artists like Diives got malwared files. But I downloaded ALL of Biko's files back then and NONE of them EVER had any malware. Where did people get that idea is beyond me. Stop spreading your crap!

gayfur said:
Yeah good point. We probably shouldn't be begging for free art either e621 lost Jasonafex because of the fact people only care about free art. They need to have some way to support themselves I would definitely agree.

No, e6 lost Jiggles because he was unable to handle criticism and people pointing out his laziness when it came to specific edits and how in his comics that were story focused, the story went off the rails or just contradicted what was established prior. AKA, he acted his shoe size, not his age. Not to mention that whenever he tried to stir shit in the comment section, whenever people would respond he played the victim and, again, acted his shoe size, not his age.

kiracaroso said:
No, e6 lost Jiggles because he was unable to handle criticism and people pointing out his laziness when it came to specific edits and how in his comics that were story focused, the story went off the rails or just contradicted what was established prior. AKA, he acted his shoe size, not his age. Not to mention that whenever he tried to stir shit in the comment section, whenever people would respond he played the victim and, again, acted his shoe size, not his age.

Yeah, I am gullible he was a pretty bad person now that I am really looking into him. I heard him mention it on his YouTube channel during one of his The Cuckshack videos.

Holy Fuck, how the hell does this Image have this Image have so many downvoted comments/replies?!

tish_facos said:
Holy Fuck, how the hell does this Image have this Image have so many downvoted comments/replies?!

because fuckin furs are spoiled and think they entitled to free porn and artists aint allowed to make money or paywall the the stuff THEY MAKE

downvotes deserved!!111