fuck off

Paywall much..

Dreamcastzx said:
I fail to see the problem

Remember when it was a hobby once, something that you enjoyed doing and you liked being praised for what you did? I understand you wanting to get a little scratch for what you do, but to hide such art from the viewing of others. Is quite harsh. And then you post it here, where many come to see art, and only give them a slice of it. Thats like holding a raw steak above a lion all day and never giving it to the lion.

Hey look, another wanna be artist who uses popular characters that don't belong to them for the sake of making a quick buck because they have no imagination of their own. Personally I think this is the biggest dick move a person can make as far as Patreon goes.

Dreamcastzx said:
Kinda one sided argument, without doing this there wouldn't be any art coming at all, I mean there are other free comics that are being done, not everything can be free.

Also the fact that you are using characters that legally don't belong to you for the sake of making a quick buck. If you're going to make a patreon DO NOT use this tactic otherwise you end up looking like a dick.

Rayfirehoof said:
Remember when it was a hobby once, something that you enjoyed doing and you liked being praised for what you did? I understand you wanting to get a little scratch for what you do, but to hide such art from the viewing of others. Is quite harsh. And then you post it here, where many come to see art, and only give them a slice of it. Thats like holding a raw steak above a lion all day and never giving it to the lion.

I think Patreon has made it too easy and too tempting for artists and others to demand money. I mean sure there are some out there deserving of it but now it seems anyone with a tablet and half passable skill can whip up some porn and dangle it for money. I also miss the old days when people actually had passion about their art and posted it because they felt they had something to share.

Also I think we should start adding tags that say things "Patreon dick"

The "Make a quick buck" part seems to be actually the case because if you look at the hair strap thing of that girl character, you can see some bits of color missing.
See that's what he's been talking about guys. Without a proper source of income, artists are unable to use the bucket tool efficiently. For each dollar spent, a pixel is saved from being forgotten to be colored. Be a part of the change : 1$, one pixel

Eclipse_Lunablade said:
Also the fact that you are using characters that legally don't belong to you for the sake of making a quick buck. If you're going to make a patreon DO NOT use this tactic otherwise you end up looking like a dick.

Also its illegal.

Dreamcastzx said:
Kinda one sided argument, without doing this there wouldn't be any art coming at all, I mean there are other free comics that are being done, not everything can be free.

I would honestly never be a patreon of yours. I rather get commissions done than have to pay some asshole every month to see him push out artwork of copyright characters to make profit. I just had a commission finished and the character, is mine. I bought it myself as an adoption. This isn't worth a god damn dime.

Use your blacklist. This isn't acceptable behavior.

That got set in flames quickly...

Dreamcastzx said:
I fail to see the problem

You know you can promote your patreon, without pissing everyone off, right? Patreon is meant to be a sort of tip-jar for artists. If people like your art, let them choose to donate, or do commission work. Being a patreon should be OPTIONAL. If you're gonna have patreon exclusive things, have a commission raffle, where everyone above a certain amount is automatically entered for a free commission. Or even time-gate things, and allow patrons early access. Doing shit like this pisses people off, and it's because of shit like this that patreon gets such a bad name. Promoting your patreon like this is just gonna end up biting you in the ass in the long run. You're gonna end up making a lot of enemies.

Ratte said:
Use your blacklist. This isn't acceptable behavior.

This isn't something that dan be easily blacklisted as there are some legitimate artists that do legitimate work through Patreon and blacklisting the patreon tag means that those artists miss out on potwntial patrions. So unless we add some kind of "worthless patreon" tag we can't properly blacklist it efficiently.

Eclipse_Lunablade said:
This isn't something that dan be easily blacklisted as there are some legitimate artists that do legitimate work through Patreon and blacklisting the patreon tag means that those artists miss out on potwntial patrions. So unless we add some kind of "worthless patreon" tag we can't properly blacklist it efficiently.

I gave my two cents at post #883365 which also had people just raging over this fact. Basically just combine the patreon tag with other tags. With censored combining, you may miss ~7 images where 3 alone are from this artist, 2 others downvoted to hell anyway and could easily live without seeing last two (bestiality, cropped stuff).
Also you can blacklist artists as well, so if one artist is constantly doing something like this, just blacklist and forget them.

It's also far easier to discuss something about this somewhere else, instead of one artists one single post. It has become direct attack to artist themselves and I assume that's also why admin stated to stop and use blacklist.

Now that I do some researching, it seems like artist has done this in past already, but they weren't censored, just cropped without any indication where to find full version nor any mention that they were cropped from somewhere. Usually there's something written on page itself or at least patreon link on description or source, but nothing, then suddenly they start to have patreon logo and censoring and of course everyone at that point notices that more easily.
post #853925 post #837464 post #837445
Because I can actually find full page from middle one with intense googling and third one is clearly cropped with disconnected discussion with speech bubble going off screen, but you wouldn't know that without inkbunny account.

Dreamcastzx said:
I fail to see the problem

Please do consider reading my comment on post #883365
Not only does having content behind patreon only, all of the missinformation and lack of transparency on this site makes people even more angry. So yes, you will get bit more patreon money, because it's required from horny people to get the sanic smut, but in the process convert so many fans into really angry group - see comments above and on posts with censoring. This post haven't gotten single upvote yet.

What blacklist enthusiasts fail to realize is that we are not complaining about what the art contains, but the artist's behavior, and that isn't something that can be blacklisted. I get that some people really get annoying because they're whining about some fetishes, but it really starts to get aggravating to see that every time something like this happens, we get a "Just pretend that never happened and use your blacklist" instead of addressing on the issue

Why is this even here?

Dreamcastzx said:
I fail to see the problem

Because it makes the audience feel like you're taking advantage of them. It makes the audience feel like you think we're a bunch of dogs who will jump up and do tricks just to get the slice of cheese you're holding in the air. You do this because you know "heh heh, they're horny idiots whose animal minds will make them desperately want to see what I've covered up". It's rude and insulting. It basically amounts to being a gigantic tease, and no-one likes being teased. It's like showing someone a movie you made, but then asking for $50 before you will show the climax and ending of the movie. People already saw most of the content, so they feel pressured and even forced into paying money to see the most important part.

There was another artist who did this sort of thing, even BEFORE Patreon existed, and now her life is basically a living hell because most people hate her guts. I would highly advise not becoming another her.

Neitsuke said:
What blacklist enthusiasts fail to realize is that we are not complaining about what the art contains, but the artist's behavior, and that isn't something that can be blacklisted. I get that some people really get annoying because they're whining about some fetishes, but it really starts to get aggravating to see that every time something like this happens, we get a "Just pretend that never happened and use your blacklist" instead of addressing on the issue

I disagree. What made them mad in the first place is that they see good art, a nice pose, but as soon as they scroll down to get to the good stuff, it's censored by a Patreon logo. That can be blacklisted by adding censored into your blacklist. People hate teasers, but that's the whole point of teasers, to make you want more of it.

Just like every other artist, they need money, especially if they use art as their primary source of income. Patreon helps artists get that money they deserve. It's just smart business. If you're good at something, never do it for free.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I disagree. What made them mad in the first place is that they see good art, a nice pose, but as soon as they scroll down to get to the good stuff, it's censored by a Patreon logo. That can be blacklisted by adding censored into your blacklist. People hate teasers, but that's the whole point of teasers, to make you want more of it.

Just like every other artist, they need money, especially if they use art as their primary source of income. Patreon helps artists get that money they deserve. It's just smart business. If you're good at something, never do it for free.

Let's make E621 a paysite then. /sarcasm
that's just my two cents on the matter.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I disagree. What made them mad in the first place is that they see good art, a nice pose, but as soon as they scroll down to get to the good stuff, it's censored by a Patreon logo. That can be blacklisted by adding censored into your blacklist. People hate teasers, but that's the whole point of teasers, to make you want more of it.

Just like every other artist, they need money, especially if they use art as their primary source of income. Patreon helps artists get that money they deserve. It's just smart business. If you're good at something, never do it for free.

That's not an answer at all. The same people who are upset by this image probably DON'T get upset by the minimalist censorship of the tiny black bars or ineffectual pixeling of Japanese censoring.

Ice_Poseidon said:
If youre going with that, how were artists able to earn an income when Patreon wasnt around?

Some artists got jobs and had less to no time for commissions or some charged big prices for their commissions (i.e. Todex = $90+, Strype = $175+, h0rs3 = $250+, etc.)

SexyGriffon said:
That's not an answer at all. The same people who are upset by this image probably DON'T get upset by the minimalist censorship of the tiny black bars or ineffectual pixeling of Japanese censoring.

So then what do you suggest that can fix and accommodate to both parties? We're open for ideas

burgrr said:
Let's make E621 a paysite then. /sarcasm
that's just my two cents on the matter.

This site's goal is not to make money. This is what we are.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Some artists got jobs and had less to no time for commissions or some charged big prices for their commissions (i.e. Todex = $90+, Strype = $175+, h0rs3 = $250+, etc.)

So then what do you suggest that can fix and accommodate to both parties? We're open for ideas

Paywall would be a good tag to blacklist.

Ice_Poseidon said:
Can I make porn of your character?

I guess :V

burgrr said:
Paywall would be a good tag to blacklist.

Alrighty, now how would "paywall" fit into our TWYS rule?

TheHuskyK9 said:
I guess :V

Alrighty, now how would "paywall" fit into our TWYS rule?

An outright guess (no sarcasm) but if the image is censored in a way like this with a Patreon logo, like an advertisement and the only way to see the fully uncensored image is by making a payment to them in any way, then it's classed a paywall.

I agree that a paywall tag would be useful, by the way.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I guess :V

Alrighty, now how would "paywall" fit into our TWYS rule?

Because I see a paywall in the form of a patreon censor..?
basically 'Pay me or you don't get to see the good stuff'

burgrr said:
Because I see a paywall in the form of a patreon censor..?
basically 'Pay me or you don't get to see the good stuff'

No, what you see is a censor in the form of a Patreon logo. A "paywall" is not an actual thing. Maybe if a post had an actual wall with a dollar sign on it then maybe you can tag it as paywall. We tag what you can physically see, not meanings.

TheHuskyK9 said:
No, what you see is a censor in the form of a Patreon logo. A "paywall" is not an actual thing. Maybe if a post had an actual wall with a dollar sign on it then maybe you can tag it as paywall. We tag what you can physically see, not meanings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paywall
I see a paywall.

Here's a solution:
Put "patreon censored" into your blacklist, all on one line.

That way, you can block all the "paywall" images, which in this case are images tagged with patreon and censored at the same time, BUT you can still see images tagged with patreon or censored. I just tested it and it works. This way, people that still want to see censored images can still see them, like what SexyGriffon mentioned, and people won't have to see "paywalls", like what burgrr mentioned. All parties should be happy now

TheHuskyK9 said:
I have a solution!

Not to "join into the fray", but that solution only works after people clean up the tags: in each of their Patreon-censored images, someone had to tag Patreon and/or censored for them. Of course, that's not to say it's never like that for tags, but that is a point now: people can be "lazy" and tag a bare minimum, making blacklists harder to use preemptively. I might be speaking for myself, but there might be need of a new rule that says "tag your general content", so blacklists can work better.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Here's a solution:
Put "patreon censored" into your blacklist, all on one line.

That way, you can block all the "paywall" images, which in this case are images tagged with patreon and censored at the same time, BUT you can still see images tagged with patreon or censored. I just tested it and it works. This way, people that still want to see censored images can still see them, like what SexyGriffon mentioned, and people won't have to see "paywalls", like what burgrr mentioned. All parties should be happy now

That completely defeats the purpose of posts like post #894762 , where the patereon logo and censorship are both involved but the patreon logo is not a paywall, such as in the above picture.

burgrr said:
That completely defeats the purpose of posts like post #894762 , where the patereon logo and censorship are both involved but the patreon logo is not a paywall, such as in the above picture.

Except that image is not censored, she has pussy_tape.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Except that image is not censored, she has pussy_tape.

Not adding anything to the debate but censorship and pussy tape are kind of a ta-may-to to-ma-to thing.

Nice 'stache.

Taels said:
Nice 'stache.

it is a nice stache indeed my fellow sir