ROAST THAT MURDERER RENI!!!

That's called a conscience Clovis! You should follow it. Also, Maybe he didn't use enough poison?

salemcripple said:
That's called a conscience Clovis! You should follow it. Also, Maybe he didn't use enough poison?

Nice thought, but I think we're still whistling in the dark on this. As much as I'd like Brutus to not be dead, I'm not counting on it. However, Clovis might be going to meet him REAL soon...

Nah, this page tells me he’s alive. Commenting on him being big but this Should be enough is Tom giving himself an out, because Should is not Is. Also no way Reni kills Clovis.

SOOOOOO YOUR SAYIN THERES A CHANCE!!!!

Also 3....2.....1....... MAUL HIM!!!!!

asmodea said:
Nah, this page tells me he’s alive. Commenting on him being big but this Should be enough is Tom giving himself an out, because Should is not Is. Also no way Reni kills Clovis.

Looks to me it's a strong sedative rather than a poison. Sure, a high dosage of a strong sedative is fatal, but Clovis may have have overestimated its potency and only used the "necessary", which would mean Brutus is just taking a nap.

tsukiyomaruzero said:
Looks to me it's a strong sedative rather than a poison. Sure, a high dosage of a strong sedative is fatal, but Clovis may have have overestimated its potency and only used the "necessary", which would mean Brutus is just taking a nap.

I can see the 'out' thing the previous commenter was pointing out but honestly Tom is taking a good route to do this instead of just making it happen and explaining afterwards or not at all. Foreshadowing makes it so we get the idea even if we don't know when it will happen.

That said...

Can somebody pick up that phone?

Noo!! The feels again!! ;~;

"Sleeping poison" theory looks pretty plausible now.

marcus_furelius said:
Ah yes Tom realizing there was literally no characterization for Brutus in the comic so his shock "death" had no weight and instead Tom decides to sloppily try to add backstory after the fact to fix his garbage writing

Seems to me this page is largely about Clovis. It's more obvious in the coloured version, but he's clearly far more attached to Brutus than he was willing to admit to anybody, including himself.

crazyt said:
"Sleeping poison" theory looks pretty plausible now.

Seems rather explicit to me. Though Clovis clearly intended for a lethal dose.

Reni MAD.

Also, unpopular as the opinion may be, Brutus being "ok" would feel kinda cheap and easy. Commit to deaths, or don't use them for drama

I don't know, I think the potential drama of he's saying he planned to kill him, but it might not have worked is narratively valid. It's a tool to show us Clovis has some sort of conscience left deep in there, which doesn't necessarily make him redeemable but at least makes him more nuanced than an evil selfish asshole. I was just watching some clips of JoJo part 2, and Kars saves the dog. Normally, Araki loves having his villains hurt a dog to prove "this guys just an asshole." Kars is still a monster and a threat to human life, but he's a guy with an agenda, not just a selfish asshole like DIO or Kira or the Boss, as an example.

Whether or not Tom is winging it and is gauging reaction to decide whether or not it sticks is one thing, but even if the whole time he's planned to save Brutus, its still a tool for showing us more about Clovis.

On the other hand, I think dropping Alaric and committing to it pretty solidly aside from one April Fools joke has probably had an effect, and as time's gone on it feels like maybe he could have done a bit more in the plot, or been set up to come back later in a different way but he's for reals dead, it seems pretty final to me.

Real talk I don’t give a shit Tom is lookin for an out if he never actually planned to go through with this or if I’m just high on Brutus . AS LONG AS THAT WOLF LIVES ILL BE ALRIGHT!!!!

So Tom please please please. My birthday is coming soon. Give me a gift to remember and let Brutus live.

Seeing Reni's surprise attack all I could think of was:

"Knock knock."
"Who's there?"
"Interrupting Dragon."
"Interrup-"
"ROAR!"

camkitty said:
Reni MAD.

Also, unpopular as the opinion may be, Brutus being "ok" would feel kinda cheap and easy. Commit to deaths, or don't use them for drama

Agreed. Also, it's about damn time that Clovis finally started getting some desperately needed character development even if it was because of a "dramatic death". You don't have to kill people to give characters development Tom.

I like it Im not gonna crack
i miss you im not gonna crack
i love you im not gonna crack
i killed you im not gonna crack

randomiusfactoria said:
I don't know, I think the potential drama of he's saying he planned to kill him, but it might not have worked is narratively valid. It's a tool to show us Clovis has some sort of conscience left deep in there, which doesn't necessarily make him redeemable but at least makes him more nuanced than an evil selfish asshole. I was just watching some clips of JoJo part 2, and Kars saves the dog. Normally, Araki loves having his villains hurt a dog to prove "this guys just an asshole." Kars is still a monster and a threat to human life, but he's a guy with an agenda, not just a selfish asshole like DIO or Kira or the Boss, as an example.

Whether or not Tom is winging it and is gauging reaction to decide whether or not it sticks is one thing, but even if the whole time he's planned to save Brutus, its still a tool for showing us more about Clovis.

On the other hand, I think dropping Alaric and committing to it pretty solidly aside from one April Fools joke has probably had an effect, and as time's gone on it feels like maybe he could have done a bit more in the plot, or been set up to come back later in a different way but he's for reals dead, it seems pretty final to me.

It may also set Clovis on that twin path of understanding and further revulsion. We start to see what made Clovis who he is, see what's beneath that mask, but also see him slipping further into darkness (think Shigaraki or even Trace himself)

iunderstand said:
So Tom please please please. My birthday is coming soon. Give me a gift to remember and let Brutus live.

I take it whoever down voted this isn’t a brutus fan

shinigamiraptor said:
It may also set Clovis on that twin path of understanding and further revulsion. We start to see what made Clovis who he is, see what's beneath that mask, but also see him slipping further into darkness (think Shigaraki or even Trace himself)

Indeed.

Personally though this might seem a strange twist, I think it'd be really interesting if Brutus came to and then offered his life up.

Way I see it Brutus is extremely loyal, and knows Clovis is smarter than him. So he might have been doing this for a very important reason.

That would put Clovis on the spot and make him challenge some of his perceptions about the world I think. And it's not often such a twist is done.

Aww, hell! Clovis just pissed off the wrong dragon! You get yourself some, Reni!

iunderstand said:
I take it whoever down voted this isn’t a brutus fan

Or more does not want lazy writing. Commit to it, or don't go for the free drama

Looking over the page again I think of two things:

1.) Clovis K.O.'d Brutus so as to finish him off in an alternate manner, fire being least likely due to previous pages but not out of the question.

2.) We see the immediate aftermath of Clovis selling his parents to slavery or which ever institution of indebted servitude there be out there.

marcus_furelius said:
Ah yes Tom realizing there was literally no characterization for Brutus in the comic so his shock "death" had no weight and instead Tom decides to sloppily try to add backstory after the fact to fix his garbage writing

His shock death had no weight? Do you even read the comments like...anywhere?

People sure do love to cling to "The author did this because..." schtick. Brutus dies, it was for shock value. Brutus survives, fan service because people demanded it. etc. Maybe that's the case maybe it isn't. No chance it was already planned.

Also you claim garbage writing, the dude makes over $2000 a week making comics and drawing. That doesn't sound very garbage to me. Sounds like you're jealous bro.

tsukiyomaruzero said:
Looks to me it's a strong sedative rather than a poison. Sure, a high dosage of a strong sedative is fatal, but Clovis may have have overestimated its potency and only used the "necessary", which would mean Brutus is just taking a nap.

Sedatives in a large enough dose is basically a poison, as it'll stop your heart, true. Since Brutus is a large person it may not be enough to actually kill him, (which I'm hoping, add one more adorable Wolf to the Protag group). Though this does seem like an appropriate time in the comic to kill off a character people have come to love, for the shock factor.

Git 'em!
Git 'em!

itstricky said:
Git 'em!
Git 'em!

Not to rain on your parade and everyone elses but if clovis came prepared for traces home defenses, clovis probably came prepared for a dragon.

Brutus deserves to die, but damn, i really want him to wake up right here and now. It really does seem like outside forces are influencing Clovis to some degree too.

camkitty said:
Or more does not want lazy writing. Commit to it, or don't go for the free drama

I understand not wanting lazy writing but sometimes killing off cool characters in uninteresting ways is just depressing. I like Brutus and me wishing for him not to die shouldn’t warrant a down vote. A disagreement maybe. But a down vote no.

iunderstand said:
I understand not wanting lazy writing but sometimes killing off cool characters in uninteresting ways is just depressing. I like Brutus and me wishing for him not to die shouldn’t warrant a down vote. A disagreement maybe. But a down vote no.

Also keeping him alive would make for an interesting dynamic were Brutus eventually will have to come to realize Clovis may not be a real friend or have his best interests at heart.

iunderstand said:
Also keeping him alive would make for an interesting dynamic were Brutus eventually will have to come to realize Clovis may not be a real friend or have his best interests at heart.

Also Clovis may have to then answer to his criminal activity and betrayals in a very literal living sense through responding to and maybe even fighting Brutus 1v1 straight up DBZ style.

iunderstand said:
Also Clovis may have to then answer to his criminal activity and betrayals in a very literal living sense through responding to and maybe even fighting Brutus 1v1 straight up DBZ style.

That’s jus my head cannon and wishful thinking though

iunderstand said:
That’s jus my head cannon and wishful thinking though

I can see it now LEGENDARY SUPER KEIDRAN BRUTUS VS GOLDEN CLOVIS ! Broly movie style.

iunderstand said:
I take it whoever down voted this isn’t a brutus fan

You probably got downvoted because nobody likes someone who begs and points out their birthday is soon (I dont know anything about Tom but i doubt he checks E621 anyways).

Happy birthday tho mate.

But on another note, Brutus deserves to die. This is not particularly the way i'd want Tom to go about it, but it feels like it has to happen now that it's been initiated, either that or Brutus would have to be removed from this portion of the story altogether. Brutus seems light hearted and loyal, but it's kind of hard to forget that a few hundred pages ago he was right next to Clovis, throwing fireballs at innocent people. And now that Clovis has attempted to kill him, it merely feels like Brutus has no more place in the story. It's not like he is going to join the good guys...because again... loyal to a fault to clovis, and he's a mass murderer. He's more likely to wind up in jail or being executed than anything.

What i'm hoping is Brutus realizes that Clovis is in trouble and wakes up to take the blast from Reni and dies from that. Or something of that caliber because to me, it feels like Brutus deserves a better death. A loyal friend doesn't deserve to die from a poisonous hug.

sekriess said:
You probably got downvoted because nobody likes someone who begs and points out their birthday is soon (I dont know anything about Tom but i doubt he checks E621 anyways).

Happy birthday tho mate.

But on another note, Brutus deserves to die. This is not particularly the way i'd want Tom to go about it, but it feels like it has to happen now that it's been initiated, either that or Brutus would have to be removed from this portion of the story altogether. Brutus seems light hearted and loyal, but it's kind of hard to forget that a few hundred pages ago he was right next to Clovis, throwing fireballs at innocent people. And now that Clovis has attempted to kill him, it merely feels like Brutus has no more place in the story. It's not like he is going to join the good guys...because again... loyal to a fault to clovis, and he's a mass murderer. He's more likely to wind up in jail or being executed than anything.

What i'm hoping is Brutus realizes that Clovis is in trouble and wakes up to take the blast from Reni and dies from that. Or something of that caliber because to me, it feels like Brutus deserves a better death. A loyal friend doesn't deserve to die from a poisonous hug.

You're really offputting with the continuous assertion of Brutus deserving to die. Yes he was one of the fake Templar chucking fire down but it was never shown him actually hitting anyone. As far as the reader is concerned Brutus is guilty by association. The claim of mass murder is implied at best.

noveltwin said:
You're really offputting with the continuous assertion of Brutus deserving to die. Yes he was one of the fake Templar chucking fire down but it was never shown him actually hitting anyone. As far as the reader is concerned Brutus is guilty by association. The claim of mass murder is implied at best.

Fair point but ALL of the fake templar fired at trace with the intent to kill. He doesnt strike me as the type to kill on command unless he has done it before and he definitely wasnt told to attack trace. It was a coordinated attack. I mean if he was too stupid to understand what fire can do to someone then yeah id get that but he has been shown to be quite afraid of fire, therefore he knows what it is capable of.

Hes not highly intelligent, but hes not completely dense either, just...simple. I mean the guy is clearly capable of using magic and it doesnt strike me as something literally anyone can do. You could blame clovis for manipulating him but thats an assumption on my part, and probably rightly so considering theyve know each other for some time.

On top of all of that he is Clovis's personal body guard. Unless thats just a pet title.

*Maybe* im wrong about brutus but i just dont see it. At least not yet.

noveltwin said:
You're really offputting with the continuous assertion of Brutus deserving to die. Yes, he was one of the fake Templar chucking fire down but it was never shown him actually hitting anyone. As far as the reader is concerned Brutus is guilty by association. The claim of mass murder is implied at best.

To me, Brutus is as much of an implied murderer as Sythe is.

Bad Fanfic
Reni unintentionally turns Clovis into Fem Clovis.
Reni bitchslaps Fem Clovis.
Reni saves Brutus again.
Fem Clovis (Or Brutus) wakes up to see Brutus (Or Fem Clovis).
/Bad Fanfic

Regardless of what happens to Clovis in this story arc I believe the next story arc will be the war with the wolves.