I think that's more than 100%.

Uh...doesn't Fluff-Kevlar not want Ara to ever have actual penetrative sex? This is the first image of her actually getting penetrated on this site.

Holy fucking shit this is amazing

fancy-synonym said:
Uh...doesn't Fluff-Kevlar not want Ara to ever have actual penetrative sex? This is the first image of her actually getting penetrated on this site.

wait really... oh... sorry fluff :( i never knew he said that anywhre

fancy-synonym said:
Uh...doesn't Fluff-Kevlar not want Ara to ever have actual penetrative sex? This is the first image of her actually getting penetrated on this site.

helloguys said:
wait really... oh... sorry fluff :( i never knew he said that anywhre

Yeah i was thinking the same... i mean this is awesome but i think FK...idk what he will say about it though might not be favorable :<

Yoo stack overflow, means you can inject code into her and install DOOM on her.

thathumandocter said:
Yoo stack overflow, means you can inject code into her and install DOOM on her.

Can she run Crysis tho?

cjnhgcyhg said:
As per post #849805 , she isn't supposed to have sex in general

This just looks like Fluff-kevlar not wanting to draw Ara having sex. I don't think its a rule for other artists.

fancy-synonym said:
Uh...doesn't Fluff-Kevlar not want Ara to ever have actual penetrative sex? ...

yiff7996 said:
Might be best to request it removed from the site and reach out to them.
...

I did some digging and found this comment from fluff-kevlar on ara staying pure. I think he describes it quite well. On the topic of penetrative sex depicting Ara there's also these two comments (5 years old though) mentioning some maybe but Definetly not with other characters of his. I think this should go since the excessive cum all over and internal view could easily be classified as the hardcore stuff from the first source.
Don't get me wrong, I admire the art its just a 180 to the original thought of this character.

As others have said, yeah, I don't draw ARA having sex, and I don't 'approve' of it getting done. That being said, I can't -physically- prevent anyone from drawing it/making edits of it, and it's not the first/sure not the last time it will happen.

Some of my friends like Tom/TwoKinds have said stuff like 'I won't draw it, but I really don't care if other people do'. And I guess it bothers me much less if it's utilizing my own characters. If it was someone else's OC or fandom-character (ie starfox or something) I'd be much more annoyed and upset about it.

So I dunno. I've been at a crossroads whether or not to just give up trying to prevent it/retribute over it all the time, and just focusing on doing my own thing, because I think this stuff will happen no matter what, and at least it clearly has care, detail and taste, despite being hardcore. Because on the flipside, if you had ARA bent over in slutty clothing and begging for dick, sure that's not actual sex, but it'd be way more offputting and upsetting than more in-character sex.

TL:DR; it's not a hard line. I just prefer her not to be featured in hardcore porn. But it is an excellent picture, I will say that!

Yesssh Ara is too underrated

While I respect and understand FK's desires for his characters - as a viewer, this is still hot as hell and I absolutely love it.

In a strange way, the lack of hardcore material for this character makes those rare exceptions all the sweeter. Such is the nature of forbidden fruit, eh? Phenomenal work BC!

I just realised in the hologram it says:
"Error - 'stackoverflowexception'
occured in System.windows"
Does Ara run on windows?^^

draconickobold said:
I just realised in the hologram it says:
"Error - 'stackoverflowexception'
occured in System.windows"
Does Ara run on windows?^^

Windows Vista yes

fluff-kevlar said:
As others have said, yeah, I don't draw ARA having sex, and I don't 'approve' of it getting done. That being said, I can't -physically- prevent anyone from drawing it/making edits of it, and it's not the first/sure not the last time it will happen.

Some of my friends like Tom/TwoKinds have said stuff like 'I won't draw it, but I really don't care if other people do'. And I guess it bothers me much less if it's utilizing my own characters. If it was someone else's OC or fandom-character (ie starfox or something) I'd be much more annoyed and upset about it.

So I dunno. I've been at a crossroads whether or not to just give up trying to prevent it/retribute over it all the time, and just focusing on doing my own thing, because I think this stuff will happen no matter what, and at least it clearly has care, detail and taste, despite being hardcore. Because on the flipside, if you had ARA bent over in slutty clothing and begging for dick, sure that's not actual sex, but it'd be way more offputting and upsetting than more in-character sex.

TL:DR; it's not a hard line. I just prefer her not to be featured in hardcore porn. But it is an excellent picture, I will say that!

As a big time Ara fan myself I'd prefer that things develop naturally for her character so that if (and that's a big -if- and I realize that) an opportunity arose for her to experience intimacy, that it would respect the dignity of her journey.
Pictures like this, even if done well, don't excite or interest Ara fans like me.

I feel a bit conflicted myself because the picture is really nice, I just would never expect a picture of Ara to be like this. I could be more comfortable with it if it was toned down more, but for me I’m not fully sure what to feel.

fluff-kevlar said:
As others have said, yeah, I don't draw ARA having sex, and I don't 'approve' of it getting done. That being said, I can't -physically- prevent anyone from drawing it/making edits of it, and it's not the first/sure not the last time it will happen.

Some of my friends like Tom/TwoKinds have said stuff like 'I won't draw it, but I really don't care if other people do'. And I guess it bothers me much less if it's utilizing my own characters. If it was someone else's OC or fandom-character (ie starfox or something) I'd be much more annoyed and upset about it.

So I dunno. I've been at a crossroads whether or not to just give up trying to prevent it/retribute over it all the time, and just focusing on doing my own thing, because I think this stuff will happen no matter what, and at least it clearly has care, detail and taste, despite being hardcore. Because on the flipside, if you had ARA bent over in slutty clothing and begging for dick, sure that's not actual sex, but it'd be way more offputting and upsetting than more in-character sex.

TL:DR; it's not a hard line. I just prefer her not to be featured in hardcore porn. But it is an excellent picture, I will say that!

I have to ask an honest question here because it actually has gone from confusing to irritating.

You as well as many other furry artists make consistent bank monthly off of Patreon, this can include original IPs/Characters but more often than not also includes characters from franchises like Pokemon, Beastars, Zootopia, etc. Franchises which their parent company/creators made clear they don't enjoy the fact that people make money off of such content, Zonkpunch having to change characters in his animations being a clear example of this.

How exactly are furry artists such as yourself exempt from this? You put your characters out there willingly and also make money off of them, they're products at that point, are they not? Sure you could argue that this is significantly more 'indie' or that its out of respect for the artist as these characters have a more personal connection, but that falls apart because the artistic process itself involved putting a part of your identity into a character via personal interests, creativity, etc. And at this rate you've made a business out of your art to the point I've seen non-furries actually recognize your stuff online.

anorakeagle said:
I have to ask an honest question here ...You put your characters out there willingly and also make money off of them, they're products at that point, are they not?

There's a difference between one person's personal IP and a corporate, multi-person studio whose OCs are part of a product. Making money off of drawing a character doesn't make them the product...I can't see how that makes sense. Buying a print of an OC doesn't mean you bought the OC, or 'a' OC.

You may not be aware, but I for one, do not do adult art of other artists' characters whom have said they don't like to see it. TwoKinds, Freefall, being some notable examples where I limited the creations based on the creators' preferences. Now, say if Krystal was an OC and the creator said not to do any more Krystal porn, would it stop me? The atmosphere is already so full of it, so likely no. With ARA that's not the case. If I ever got my OCs made into a game/show/etc or even just popular enough to warrant endless fanart, of -course- I'd have no control over the type of content they'd receive...but that's the point here:

All I did was just voice my disdain for certain content, I didn't issue a DMCA, or call on removal, etc. I'm just stating out loud what I do and don't like to see with my characters, I have that right. They aren't harming my business by making it, which is what most corporations say artists are doing when they do Pkmn porn or whatever.

anorakeagle said: No, buying a print of an OC doesn't mean you bought the OC (if that were true, scams like NFTs wouldn't be scams) but you are selling copies of their likeness to people as a form of decoration/media or (in the case of Patreon & exclusive alts/higher-res files) exclusive/unique media of those characters only a paying customer would get, think playing a F2P game vs. paying for its premium subscription.

What is the difference? Because at the end of the day its still an IP being sold to an audience, the only difference is in the size of the audience and the method of selling it.

Yes, I am aware, but I'd argue that comes just as much from avoiding the potential backlash of doing so alongside a simple matter of respect. Some corporation thousands of miles away feels a lot less personal than artists whom you've likely interacted with before and are directly in the same community with the same audience overlap.

Y'see, that's the issue I take here: It feels like this 'line' or 'rule' or whatever people call it is arbitrary or murky at best and at worst just a shield for artists to not have to tolerate their characters getting treated like characters they DON'T OWN which they still make money off. You admit it yourself that if Krystal was someone's OC who just got picked up en-masse by the community, you'd just keep making art despite their personal wishes. That in my opinion is fucked because you're violating the logic you set for yourself and being a hypocrite, there's no consistency to it so it reads like moving goalposts to me.

Taking the argument you've made here, then at SOME POINT things will become too big for you or anyone else to control assuming some massive scandal doesn't happen to X artist which ruins their rep permanently or they move on/quit making art, so I have to ask...Why take issue with it at all? Why go through this effort in the first place

These characters also depend highly on how they are portrayed. Krystal for example, has been designed to always been an interest to Fox (or before Star Fox was put in, a different character). Krystal has always been designed to have a certain portrayal. A lot of these characters such as Krystal come from a huge franchise, selling lots of copies. For other characters that may be drawn in certain ways unintended of their original purpose, stems from the fact that these franchises are wide and are seen by a large audience. And as the internet does best, so too does the pictures.

For this case, it doesn’t have the same formula. Applying a name-brand franchise of a character onto to someone like Ara is not as agreeable. Taking someone’s well wishes—not a corporations—is not ethically right. Companies are huge and can easily take the hit of an improper portrayal of a character because they’re known for so much more then that. To me, Ara is one of Fluff-Kevlar’s most well known characters. Skewing said character’s portrayal is more detrimental as many will see this post and get an inaccurate understanding of the character that goes against the creator’s original intention. I know from experience some people expect Ara to be specifically for pornographic material. Not every character needs porn, certainly not of ones who are not nearly as well known and goes against the original design. You don’t have a key and expect it to be applied to every lock. Each key is designed in a separate, unique way where some are more “universal” and more common. Not everything should have pornographic material if the creator doesn’t want it, nor does every key need to fit every lock. A creation taken out of context is ethically and immorally right. Is it fun for companies? No, but they have the infrastructure to take it. But to individuals who make a character that are specifically known for not having porn? Have some empathy.

Y'see, that's the issue I take here: It feels like this 'line' or 'rule' or whatever people call it is arbitrary or murky at best and at worst just a shield for artists to not have to tolerate their characters getting treated like characters they DON'T OWN which they still make money off

And how do you jump to that conclusion? These companies don’t make money off of the character, they make money off of the game/movie/other piece of media itself. Artists like Fluff-Kevlar aren’t stealing these companies market share, like no artist has ever done since the beginnings of the internet.

timmychips said:
These characters also depend highly on how they are portrayed. Krystal for example, has been designed to always been an interest to Fox (or before Star Fox was put in, a different character). Krystal has always been designed to have a certain portrayal. A lot of these characters such as Krystal come from a huge franchise, selling lots of copies. For other characters that may be drawn in certain ways unintended of their original purpose, stems from the fact that these franchises are wide and are seen by a large audience. And as the internet does best, so too does the pictures.

For this case, it doesn’t have the same formula. Applying a name-brand franchise of a character onto to someone like Ara is not as agreeable. Taking someone’s well wishes—not a corporations—is not ethically right. Companies are huge and can easily take the hit of an improper portrayal of a character because they’re known for so much more then that. To me, Ara is one of Fluff-Kevlar’s most well known characters. Skewing said character’s portrayal is more detrimental as many will see this post and get an inaccurate understanding of the character that goes against the creator’s original intention. I know from experience some people expect Ara to be specifically for pornographic material. Not every character needs porn, certainly not of ones who are not nearly as well known and goes against the original design. You don’t have a key and expect it to be applied to every lock. Each key is designed in a separate, unique way where some are more “universal” and more common. Not everything should have pornographic material if the creator doesn’t want it, nor does every key need to fit every lock. A creation taken out of context is ethically and immorally right. Is it fun for companies? No, but they have the infrastructure to take it. But to individuals who make a character that are specifically known for not having porn? Have some empathy.

And how do you jump to that conclusion? These companies don’t make money off of the character, they make money off of the game/movie/other piece of media itself. Artists like Fluff-Kevlar aren’t stealing these companies market share, like no artist has ever done since the beginnings of the internet.

I've actually been debating this with someone else and they've brought up some rather good points in that an artist only has their character and art to make money off of. There's also the matter of knockoff artists cropping up willing to do art OF THOSE characters for cheaper, thus undercutting someone like FK. Also yeah, you are right in that its a matter of common human decency.

My logic was flawed and I realize that now, thanks ya'll for tolerating and explaining it to me, also apologies for wasting time. I'm a dumbass lmao.

Better download this just in case.

anorakeagle said:
I've actually been debating this with someone else and they've brought up some rather good points in that an artist only has their character and art to make money off of. There's also the matter of knockoff artists cropping up willing to do art OF THOSE characters for cheaper, thus undercutting someone like FK. Also yeah, you are right in that its a matter of common human decency.

My logic was flawed and I realize that now, thanks ya'll for tolerating and explaining it to me, also apologies for wasting time. I'm a dumbass lmao.

It’s okay! You do definitely have some valid points. And you’re right, looking from the situation from afar it does seem a bit blurry. I guess for this scenario the scale of the character is a lot more narrow, but maybe later in the future things might change and “loosen” up. At end of the day, we’re all people, so it’s not worth it to argue about something quite small. I wish you the best!

fluff-kevlar said:
As others have said, yeah, I don't draw ARA having sex, and I don't 'approve' of it getting done. That being said, I can't -physically- prevent anyone from drawing it/making edits of it, and it's not the first/sure not the last time it will happen.

Some of my friends like Tom/TwoKinds have said stuff like 'I won't draw it, but I really don't care if other people do'. And I guess it bothers me much less if it's utilizing my own characters. If it was someone else's OC or fandom-character (ie starfox or something) I'd be much more annoyed and upset about it.

So I dunno. I've been at a crossroads whether or not to just give up trying to prevent it/retribute over it all the time, and just focusing on doing my own thing, because I think this stuff will happen no matter what, and at least it clearly has care, detail and taste, despite being hardcore. Because on the flipside, if you had ARA bent over in slutty clothing and begging for dick, sure that's not actual sex, but it'd be way more offputting and upsetting than more in-character sex.

TL:DR; it's not a hard line. I just prefer her not to be featured in hardcore porn. But it is an excellent picture, I will say that!

juts to head this of i absolutely love your art and i always enjoy seeing more ara. that being saied i would obviously want to respect your personal wishes in how to treat your characters. i mean, in a metaphorical sense they are kind of your children and i can absolutely understand why it would be upsetting to you seeing them in a way you didnt "bring them up" in, so to speak.
on the other hand im just a degenerate and i would like to see more ara porn, which leaves me in an awkward spot because on one side seeing this makes me think "mmmmeh not cool :/" and on the other hand "YES! YES!"

so im by no means an expert on your lore but i do remember that i red somewhere years ago that the ara presented to us in your art is "the apex frame". i dont actually know how that is to be interpreted, but keeping it in mind, would it maybe be more stomachable for you if there was a canonised version or versions of different Ara frames for people to lewd?
thats at least what im thinking rn when i see this picture.
youve put so much effort into building your characters and (i feel like) the universe surrounding them, i would rather see them grow at their own pace. as Dusterfox saied, for aras character in particulare "here you go, porn." doesnt feel quite right. id actually love to see a more long term comic series centered arround Ara(&Friends).

sadly as much as I agree on the note of 'respecting artist's wishes for their oc', I know there's a crowd, even if small out there that will draw more smut of them specifically because they're "not supposed to" — so while yeah, i greatly advocate against this kind of thing, like fluff said earlier the best solution may be to just stop caring about it because at the end of the day there's no real way to stop it

main point's that for a lot of people it's just not worth the stress

Can we just take a moment and apreciate how a civilized debate has been had over a piece of art on a porn site. More civilized than anything on <insert social media here>.

I like to think it's post-nut clarity.

Your art is some great stuff. I can't wait to see more from you. However, as a fan of ARA and her innocent self, it's a bit hard to watch for me as beautiful as this picture is. But please don't be discouraged by this. I understand you most likely didn't mean anything by it. I'll be looking forward to more art by you!

Kinda feel uneasy seeing this, but also feeling kinda OwO.
Dangit! Glad to see Fluff still handling stuff better than most famous artists I know.

I can't tell if this reply string is cancer or if I'm witnessing two highly intelligent people debate. :»(

humerus_boner said:
Can we just take a moment and apreciate how a civilized debate has been had over a piece of art on a porn site. More civilized than anything on <insert social media here>.

I like to think it's post-nut clarity.

That happens eh?

Technically, we could just pretend this is sexual model ARA (sARA) from recent fanart.

"This is getting out of hand"

zombieastronaut said:
Technically, we could just pretend this is sexual model ARA (sARA) from recent fanart.

that could work, but last faart with sARA seems to say she got voted off
plus the screen beside are is saying
Model:
___ARA
not
Model: ARA
or
Model:
ARA

the space in it makes enough space for let's say s in sARA

xenowarrior said:
Yeah i was thinking the same... i mean this is awesome but i think FK...idk what he will say about it though might not be favorable :<

Kinda disappointing

Dear god, I got a lot to read with these comments

This comment section has some damn interesting e621 and Fluff-Kevlar lore to it.

fluff-kevlar said:
As others have said, yeah, I don't draw ARA having sex, and I don't 'approve' of it getting done. That being said, I can't -physically- prevent anyone from drawing it/making edits of it, and it's not the first/sure not the last time it will happen.

Some of my friends like Tom/TwoKinds have said stuff like 'I won't draw it, but I really don't care if other people do'. And I guess it bothers me much less if it's utilizing my own characters. If it was someone else's OC or fandom-character (ie starfox or something) I'd be much more annoyed and upset about it.

So I dunno. I've been at a crossroads whether or not to just give up trying to prevent it/retribute over it all the time, and just focusing on doing my own thing, because I think this stuff will happen no matter what, and at least it clearly has care, detail and taste, despite being hardcore. Because on the flipside, if you had ARA bent over in slutty clothing and begging for dick, sure that's not actual sex, but it'd be way more offputting and upsetting than more in-character sex.

TL:DR; it's not a hard line. I just prefer her not to be featured in hardcore porn. But it is an excellent picture, I will say that!

Hey, I thought I saw an image which went against this, and I went looking for it. It's here: https://furry34com.b-cdn.net/posts/73/73791/73791.picsmall.jpg. I totally respect that you have boundaries with your character, I just wanted to ask if this is your drawing/if you know about it. Rn it's only at 700 views ever so I can see why no-one has seen it.

praepes said:
Hey, I thought I saw an image which went against this, and I went looking for it. It's here: https://furry34com.b-cdn.net/posts/73/73791/73791.picsmall.jpg. I totally respect that you have boundaries with your character, I just wanted to ask if this is your drawing/if you know about it. Rn it's only at 700 views ever so I can see why no-one has seen it.

It's an edit, note the second signature

Ladies, ladies, what was rule thirty four again?

I'm confused about this comment section.