Hey! e621 is not your advertising board!

Polzavotel said:
Hey! e621 is not your advertising board!

If you are the content creator of a given post, it is acceptable and encouraged for you to advertise products or services you may offer, in the 'description' field of your post.

If this isn't allowed then I apologize

Kaylna, if you wish to ADVERTISE you should contact that person at [email protected] and more info about advertising can be found at https://e621.net/forum/show/10410

and I seen some artist just promote a preview image of their work on e621

Fancy_Puss said:
Kaylna, if you wish to ADVERTISE you should contact that person at [email protected] and more info about advertising can be found at https://e621.net/forum/show/10410

and I seen some artist just promote a preview image of their work on e621

Well I read the rules posted in the TOS. That's where I got that snippet from, so I thought this fell under that category. xD

Smaugs getting a lot of attention now huh? I guess he was oddly cute and the "Would you?" , went through my mine a couple of times in the cinema :P.

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late night comment derps :(

Is it me, or is this ridiculously expensive?

I like your art and hope the winner will allow you to post the result.

Jugofthat said:
Is it me, or is this ridiculously expensive?

Given the amount of time and detail I plan to put in it. Nope.

Jugofthat said:
Is it me, or is this ridiculously expensive?

How expensive something is is only relative to how much money one has and is willing to spend.

$400 for a fully detailed version of this? Hell even $100 for a sketch is a rip off lol.
But of course, I don't have money to throw away lol.
If you get someone to throw that kind of money at you more power to you.

Columben said:
$400 for a fully detailed version of this? Hell even $100 for a sketch is a rip off lol.
But of course, I don't have money to throw away lol.
If you get someone to throw that kind of money at you more power to you.

Thank you for your opinion, but I don't think the bidders see it that way.

Most art commission is below that insane amount. But I'm not complaining. It's up to Kay for setting the prices

Fancy_Puss said:
Most art commission is below that insane amount. But I'm not complaining. It's up to Kay for setting the prices

Yep, and it's up to the customer to whether or not they want to buy it at that price or not.

I've seen furry art sell for several thousand dollars at anthrocon. I once bid on a charcoal drawing of come naughty centaurs thinking it might sell for $100. It sold for $2800. So I was outbid but that's no reason to believe that the buyer was stupid or the seller was greedy. They arrived at a mutual agreement. Happened to be out of my price range, oh waah.

Mxyzptlk said:
I've seen furry art sell for several thousand dollars at anthrocon. I once bid on a charcoal drawing of come naughty centaurs thinking it might sell for $100. It sold for $2800. So I was outbid but that's no reason to believe that the buyer was stupid or the seller was greedy. They arrived at a mutual agreement. Happened to be out of my price range, oh waah.

This. People forget that in a free market, an exchange doesn't happen unless both buyer and seller believe that they benefit from it.

Columben said:
$400 for a fully detailed version of this? Hell even $100 for a sketch is a rip off lol.
But of course, I don't have money to throw away lol.
If you get someone to throw that kind of money at you more power to you.

Explain how this is any different from art collectors paying thousands for a portrait commission.

Fancy_Puss said:
Most art commission is below that insane amount. But I'm not complaining. It's up to Kay for setting the prices

Most artists are drastically underpaid because of the commission-market that surrounds art in the digital age. All the folks who think "I have to have low prices because no one will pay for it if I don't" end up hurting themselves and the rest of the market, by working for a price that wouldn't even count as minimum wage while at the same time supporting that terrible impression that artists are cheap and should be cheap.

... is what someone far smarter than me said, though I've paraphrased it.

Lmfao I've seen better detailed pieces for a lot less.

$100 for a sketch?

Anyone can make a sketch...

:/ given the time at least.

This isn't a marketplace. Go advertize your ridiculously overpriced sketches on FA

ITT: People complaining about things they're not paying for.

The things people pay for when they have the money. I wonder if there's any "Rich" furries.

For people on an art site, it baffles me that they think this is expensive. Once you've got your name out there, these are the prices you should be going for.
Being poor, I get my friend who is talented but not well known about to do me cheap commissions. Like only $40 for a full colour picture!

Scakk said:
Anyone can make a sketch...
:/ given the time at least.

If that were in the least bit true, commissions wouldn't even be a thing, because we'd all just draw it ourselves. You should note that the above image is an example of a "sketch". Look at the awesome detail in Smaug's face. That is $100 worthy.

TailsClock said:
For people on an art site, it baffles me that they think this is expensive. Once you've got your name out there, these are the prices you should be going for.
Being poor, I get my friend who is talented but not well known about to do me cheap commissions. Like only $40 for a full colour picture!
If that were in the least bit true, commissions wouldn't even be a thing, because we'd all just draw it ourselves. You should note that the above image is an example of a "sketch". Look at the awesome detail in Smaug's face. That is $100 worthy.

Making a "sketch" as in roughly drawn lines (something you make in a "sketch"book), is one thing.
A picture with color and shading and whatever else is another.

WarriorWolf said:
Why do many downvotes?

Can you read?
Go through the comments, yeesh.

Kayla-Na said:
Given the amount of time and detail I plan to put in it. Nope.

Poontang said:
$400 for a fully detailed version of this? Hell even $100 for a sketch is a rip off lol.
But of course, I don't have money to throw away lol.
If you get someone to throw that kind of money at you more power to you.

First of all you can all shut up about how he advertises in the description, because there's still a decent post up there, and you aren't FORCED to read it. Secondly I think that the prices are quite reasonable. Minimum wage is something over $10/ hour. These take a lot more time, skilll and focus than minimum wage work and take hours to make. Also, he still needs to make up for the time he put into learning how to do sh!t like this. C'mon guys, give him a break.

cromethedragon said:
First of all you can all shut up about how he advertises in the description, because there's still a decent post up there, and you aren't FORCED to read it. Secondly I think that the prices are quite reasonable. Minimum wage is something over $10/ hour. These take a lot more time, skilll and focus than minimum wage work and take hours to make. Also, he still needs to make up for the time he put into learning how to do sh!t like this. C'mon guys, give him a break.

oops, quoted wrong comments

Actini-89 said:
Can you read?
Go through the comments, yeesh.

The prices?

I actually just think the artwork is good

Yeesh...

Ok, I actually signed up to this site to respond to all the hate in the comments on this image for any future viewers.

As an artist, further as an artist who is trying to make a career as an artist, these prices are reasonable. Or, to be more specific, they SHOULD be reasonable. "Should" because most people don't realize that these prices are FAIR and unknowingly call them expensive.

Let us break things down shall we? Let us compare another field to artistry, nursing perhaps?

To become a full time nurse takes a four year course in most colleges, you can finish quicker if you apply yourself but the same could be said for artists. Now the average pay rate for most nurses is between 20 and 40 dollars an hour depending on where you're working and what you're working on. So a nurse can make 160 to 320 dollars in a single 8 hour shift depending on what they're doing.

Compare to an artist who "normally" starts learning to draw while in high school or even earlier. I've had several artist buddies who've been drawing all their lives and are in their mid 30's now. Sketches like the one above usually take anywhere from 2-6 hours depending on how talented the artist is and what the sketch contains.

This sketch is in the median zone, between simple and complex, so it probably took around 3-4 hours or so.

Now lets take into account a nurses time spent learning and compare.

RN training, 4 years = 20-40 $/h
Artist training, (assuming) 4+ years = 100/3 = 33 $/h

Artists usually spend longer periods of time learning their trade, even going so far as to get hands on with their trade from the very beginning, constantly pushing themselves to do better, and yet nurses STILL make more than them.

Yes, nursing has more inherent responsibility, risks and complexity but most professional artists also work under deadlines that would have a corporate CEO sweating and art can be just as complex if not more so when you get into sculpting, 3D artwork, modeling, calligraphy, and a host of other art styles.

Now let's go a little further. For a flat colored drawing I'm assuming the sketch is further cleaned and refined, as well as adding all the associated colors to it as well. Add another 3-4 hours to the drawing for that.

Fully colored and shaded on top of a cleaned sketch? Add between 5 and 6 hours or more.

Close up panel? Add another 2-3 hours for sketch, clean, flat, full and shading.

Background. Depending on complexity, which in Smaugs case is a vast room filled with treasure. Add 4-5 hours or more.

So upwards of 20 hours for the most complex of what is offered and that doesn't take into consideration the skill of the artist OR the time needed to hash things out with the commissioner, find the references if not already provided, choose colors if not already provided, choose character positions if not already provided,and a list of other things that could make it take even longer

You're looking at upwards of 30 hours for ONE $400 image. That's almost FOUR work days for a 9-5 job. Considering a Nurse can make over 3.5 times that in the same amount of time and you see that, if anything, these pictures should COST MORE.

This also doesn't take into account the supply and demand of the images offered. Most artists aren't even recognized for YEARS and have to struggle, beg and plead for people to buy their work, work that they've spent the better part of a decade developing and you all have the NERVE to call their work "Expensive"

Artists are people like you, they have utility and food bills just like you. What they charge and the work ethic most work under is almost sad when you think about it. The people who crank out a dozen or more full color/shading/background drawings a month for like 50-100$ each have a work ethic that would put a Chinese sweat shop to shame.

And for those of you still unconvinced, If you think you can do better, try and commit yourself to the arduous task of becoming a professional artist, let's see how far along you are in 4-5 years.

Show some respect, Bitch! (for emphasis)

No salvation for you BARREL-RIDER!

TL;DR Pay the small amount of money for the adspace, people obviously don't like you doing it this way

I'd say the community has spoken with the current points on this post. Pay for an ad instead of doing it in the description. The ad space isn't that expensive and you're helping the site. Hell, I even turn adblock off here. e621 isn't exactly a money making website, revenue has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is paid adspace. The ads aren't even very intrusive, but if every artist just advertised in their pic descriptions, we'd be seeing banners all over just to pay for the site.