Zombie, please put the quoted material into a \

block so that I can tell what part is from the wiki and what part is from you.

Admins are normally very good about inspecting the differences between images, as sometimes they end up deleting the newer one in favor of the older one, even if the older one was flagged, and if they do make a mistake, they can actually revert it if you let them know.

ZombieHunter said:
hello i been seeing a lot of reposted images on E621 where the image is bigger then the original image that was posted before it as i found in the guide lines for it. It the last line of the guidelines for "duplicate/inferior version guidelines" so I'm not mistaken tons of images are being flagged for deleting as E621 staff may need to look closely at images. no offence this guide line is being ignored and abused a lot. E621 staff stop the abuse of this Guideline as people are just reposting a "Upscaled versions of existing posts are not considered higher quality."

This is not what happens, people upload images from FA but FA shrinks the image down to fit within 1280*1280 pixels, however other pages like DeviantArt, weasyl, or InkBunny do not shrink images down. What happens now is that someone actually goes to one of the aforementioned pages, sees there is a higher resolution available, and posts that version to replace the small(er) FA version.

Just wanted to say that the added feature to change tag type via a tag search is super awesome

titanmelon said:
Just wanted to say that the added feature to change tag type via a tag search is super awesome

"New"? Hasn't that existed for forever now?

Literally realized that was a thing within the last hour or so @_@

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Was about to propose an implication, and the fields say:

Tag:

Implied To:

..And I have no idea which is which Never mind, the form itself explains, but the 'Implied To' thing was confusing from the field alone

I'm a little miffed that users keep flagging reuploads of older art in higher quality as the inferior version.

See: post #137784 vs post #858133, the former of which includes a dead URL and heavier JPG compression artifacts, but the latter of which got flagged by someone anyways. This isn't the first time a user has flagged one of the images I've reuploaded in higher quality this week, either.

Not sure what, if anything, can be done about this, but it's making uploading cleaner and more detail-rich versions of posts a frustrating endeavor.

Strongbird said:
I'm a little miffed that users keep flagging reuploads of older art in higher quality as the inferior version.

See: post #137784 vs post #858133, the former of which includes a dead URL and heavier JPG compression artifacts, but the latter of which got flagged by someone anyways. This isn't the first time a user has flagged one of the images I've reuploaded in higher quality this week, either.

that would be an edit, not a repost.

treos said:
that would be an edit, not a repost.

It's not really an edit, though. post #858133 is the version on the artist's FA, and there's no benefit garnered by including a non-functioning URL on a big part of the image. The actual art aspect is unchanged, aside from less compression on the repost, so I have not the faintest idea why that person decided to flag the newer upload.

Strongbird said:
It's not really an edit, though. post #858133 is the version on the artist's FA, and there's no benefit garnered by including a non-functioning URL on a big part of the image. The actual art aspect is unchanged, aside from less compression on the repost, so I have not the faintest idea why that person decided to flag the newer upload.

my mistake, still you are right about it being higher quality. the file size alone shows that much at nearly 5x the original file size.

I flagged post #859449 as the inferior version of post #859792, but this flag was removed without any form of feedback.

Looking at these two side-by-side, the flagged version is a JPG of lower resolution, and the newly uploaded version is a PNG of higher resolution provided directly by the commissioner in a public ZIP archive.

Can anyone explain to me why this version, freely available and sourced to both the artist and commissioner, is not considered better overall?

Is that feature/option to show a larger thumbnail on mouseover while browsing the post index still a thing?

Would make tagging via scripting a lot quicker/easier

edit: plus less likely to make mistakes from the thumbnails

titanmelon said:
Is that feature/option to show a larger thumbnail on mouseover while browsing the post index still a thing?

If you happen to be using Chrome, try Hover Zoom+. Really handy for tagging.

Genjar said:
If you happen to be using Chrome, try Hover Zoom+. Really handy for tagging.

Oh god that is nice extension. I'm adding that to all of my devices (all 2 of them :V).

+1 for Hoverzoom. I don't know how I ever went without it. It should be a standard browser functionality.

Uploaded a photo of a fursuit, but it was deleted with "Reason" of "Irrelevant to site".

Could "photos of fursuits" be added to list at
https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=avoid_posting

ListerTheSquirrel said:

I asked NMNY about adding 'screencap memes' to the avoid posting list, since they're apparently against posting ToS even if containing 'furry' content and above average quality (not sure exactly, someone correct that if it's inaccurate)

No response as of yet though, probably have their hands full with other things See forum #[]

titanmelon said:
I asked NMNY about adding 'screencap memes' to the avoid posting list, since they're apparently against posting ToS even if containing 'furry' content and above average quality (not sure exactly, someone correct that if it's inaccurate.

From the rules :

Right, people are going to check the avoid posting list first, which is why stuff like that should be added to it as well

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On an unrelated note, I can't wait for those artist links to be merged with the wiki (if that's still happening),

Trying to update their pages then find them later is a giant pain

Genjar said:
If you happen to be using Chrome, try Hover Zoom+. Really handy for tagging.

Wow, yeah that does look useful

(probably not gonna use it though, sadly, unless I'm testing something on that browser family)

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Just found something savageorange mentioned about a month ago, but it seems to be outdated now/broken: (forum #185979)

Just a little complaint
I posted a perfectly good image yesterday
It got deleted because it "didnt meet minimum quality standards"
In fact, a noticed quite the amount of mine being deleted for that same reason.

Isnt that reason kinda eletist?

A couple of other ones a while back were apparently "Irrelevant to site"

Last time I checked, MLP porn was and is still relevant

How to have vertically-spaced headers

tl;dr - use a linebreak (Enter key), space ( ), linebreak after a header (eg h4.) in that order

Been meaning to mention this somewhere

Based on what parasprite said here: forum #189465
There's still some work being done on some of the more buggy dtext quirks.

In the meantime, if you would like to have headers with multiple linebreaks (see forum #189448 if you don't know what I'm talking about), then try copy-pasting then previewing:

\h4. This is a main header
 

\h5. This is a sub header
 

This is regular text

to see what's happening

Untamed said:
Just a little complaint
I posted a perfectly good image yesterday
It got deleted because it "didnt meet minimum quality standards"
In fact, a noticed quite the amount of mine being deleted for that same reason.

Isnt that reason kinda eletist?

A couple of other ones a while back were apparently "Irrelevant to site"

Last time I checked, MLP porn was and is still relevant

You could try asking the admins that deleted them directly, but looking at them myself, that recent one is a low quality.

I uploaded this a while back

A bit of background to my complaint: I upload comics and image series from Pixiv. I didn't know about the fact that Pixiv's manga viewer doesn't display images in full size until after I had already uploaded a lot of images. A janitor ended up deleting all my "lower quality" images months after I posted them and replacing them with the full-sized ones. This completely destroyed my account. I became unable to upload anything. I'm a translator and had the 3rd highest number of notes on the site, but that number also disappeared (and is now held by the person that reuploaded the images). What I'm trying to get at is that I feel like I was contributing a lot to the site, but instead of being rewarded I was instead punished because I missed a few extra pixels.

The fact that the images shown in Pixiv manga view are not full size is not obvious at all. There's only a little icon in the corner to expand the image. I see no mention of this size problem in the e621 site help. And there is one sticky in a clutter of ten others that talks about how to get full-sized images. However, few new members will read that, and even veteran users would probably look over it. (Incidentally, that sticky also did not exist when I posted all my uploads.)

I understand that e621 wants to have the highest quality posts. However, if a new member gets their posts deleted because of a few pixels they'll feel scared to try posting again. Or if a not so new member gets half of their posts deleted retroactively they'll feel estranged and stop contributing.

Let's face it, while higher resolution images are better, it shouldn't be a crime to accidentally post an "inferior version" as long as it isn't significantly smaller. I propose that images deleted for this reason shouldn't be deleted, but made invisible. By this I mean that it doesn't come up in searches, but still exists if you have the link. This way contributors' records aren't negatively effected when they unknowingly post slightly lower resolution images. That should be reserved for people trolling or posting low quality or irrelevant images.

SuperRamen said:
A bit of background to my complaint: I upload comics and image series from Pixiv. I didn't know about the fact that Pixiv's manga viewer doesn't display images in full size until after I had already uploaded a lot of images. A janitor ended up deleting all my "lower quality" images months after I posted them and replacing them with the full-sized ones. This completely destroyed my account. I became unable to upload anything. I'm a translator and had the 3rd highest number of notes on the site, but that number also disappeared (and is now held by the person that reuploaded the images). What I'm trying to get at is that I feel like I was contributing a lot to the site, but instead of being rewarded I was instead punished because I missed a few extra pixels.

The fact that the images shown in Pixiv manga view are not full size is not obvious at all. There's only a little icon in the corner to expand the image. I see no mention of this size problem in the e621 site help. And there is one sticky in a clutter of ten others that talks about how to get full-sized images. However, few new members will read that, and even veteran users would probably look over it. (Incidentally, that sticky also did not exist when I posted all my uploads.)

I understand that e621 wants to have the highest quality posts. However, if a new member gets their posts deleted because of a few pixels they'll feel scared to try posting again. Or if a not so new member gets half of their posts deleted retroactively they'll feel estranged and stop contributing.

Let's face it, while higher resolution images are better, it shouldn't be a crime to accidentally post an "inferior version" as long as it isn't significantly smaller. I propose that images deleted for this reason shouldn't be deleted, but made invisible. By this I mean that it doesn't come up in searches, but still exists if you have the link. This way contributors' records aren't negatively effected when they unknowingly post slightly lower resolution images. That should be reserved for people trolling or posting low quality or irrelevant images.

Contact an admin directly, they're pretty quick about responding, and will set your upload limit back up to ten. Frankly, I'm surprised that you let it sit like that for a whole year.

interesting. so that seems to be issue with some posters O.o

o.O well, this is strange. that issue i had with forum posts and comments getting cut off after the : in a plain text link (example: https://e621.net/forum/show/12841?page=19) seems to have mysteriously cleared up. usually i'd have to manually chop any http: or https: off of links before posting but it seems to be working fine now.

was there by any chance any fixes or changes lately that might have affected links such as the example above? or perhaps it's something refreshing the page fixes? you know, like how punctuation loves to screw around with the spacing in posts here.

SuperRamen said:
Let's face it, while higher resolution images are better, it shouldn't be a crime to accidentally post an "inferior version" as long as it isn't significantly smaller. I propose that images deleted for this reason shouldn't be deleted, but made invisible. By this I mean that it doesn't come up in searches, but still exists if you have the link. This way contributors' records aren't negatively effected when they unknowingly post slightly lower resolution images. That should be reserved for people trolling or posting low quality or irrelevant images.

Second this. The whole idea with handling better-quality uploads via FFD is inherently and badly broken. A better image should replace the older one within the post, without changing the ID or any attached post data.

Think of it this way: the image is one of the few parts of the post that is not from e6. Tags, comments, votes, and faves is what e6 adds to the image. And accidentally that's exactly what gets deleted.

People upload large images and do not bother tagging them. They get approved, and the properly tagged but smaller ones get deleted. That's wrong.

Penalties for original uploaders are wrong as well. Penalties should be given for breaking rules. There's no rule preventing a larger image from appearing later.

This deserves a thread on its own I think. Not the first time this got brought up. Adjusting post limits manually is not a solution, and neither is copying tags.

treos said:
o.O well, this is strange. that issue i had with forum posts and comments getting cut off after the : in a plain text link (example: https://e621.net/forum/show/12841?page=19) seems to have mysteriously cleared up. usually i'd have to manually chop any http: or https: off of links before posting but it seems to be working fine now.

was there by any chance any fixes or changes lately that might have affected links such as the example above? or perhaps it's something refreshing the page fixes? you know, like how punctuation loves to screw around with the spacing in posts here.

That "Cut-off" was purely visual to start with, and fixed itself anyways. It happened when the browser tried to load in new content too quickly.
Speaking of, it's still happening :P

Salutations, I have a complaint.

Tl;DR: The images I uploaded got deleted, I do not know why, wasn't given a reason, and I'm now confused about what to do.

Basically, I uploaded this comic: http://g.e-hentai.org/g/685356/370c5f8378/ to the gallery. I didn't upload the entire comic, only the part of it that was by the artist "Monoeye", since they were the only artist I knew off from the comic. I also, after that, uploaded this image: http://g.e-hentai.org/s/b4c6ebd8ef/685357-61 by the artist, Guano. All was well. But now, all of the images are gone.

My first instinct was to check out the DNP to check if the artists were listed, I had checked before I uploaded the comics, but checked again. They were not to be found on the list. I then went to see if I had posted them within the two years DNP timer. Both of the comics had been uploaded to E-Hentai at 2014, in the month of March. The quarantine is over. They should be safe to upload.

If the guys who deleted my posts left a reason for why on the comment section of the posts.. then why bother? The images were going to be deleted. Wouldn't it be better to just send me a message about why. If somebody does something wrong, you should punish them. But, if the punished/guilty does not know, or understands, or gets told why they are getting punished, then the punishment is wasted, because the punished/guilty has not learned why what they did was wrong. Specially if, after looking trough all of the rules, can' find the answer.

If you can be bothered to delete a lot of images by somebody, then you should bothered to at least send them one message explaining why you are deleting them. Sure, you could criticize the up loader for not reading the rules, but if you can't be bothered to tell them why what they did was wrong, then aren't you just as lazy as them, but just in another way?

intelligent_turret said:
Salutations, I have a complaint.

Tl;DR: The images I uploaded got deleted, I do not know why, wasn't given a reason, and I'm now confused about what to do.

Basically, I uploaded this comic: http://g.e-hentai.org/g/685356/370c5f8378/ to the gallery. I didn't upload the entire comic, only the part of it that was by the artist "Monoeye", since they were the only artist I knew off from the comic. I also, after that, uploaded this image: http://g.e-hentai.org/s/b4c6ebd8ef/685357-61 by the artist, Guano. All was well. But now, all of the images are gone.

My first instinct was to check out the DNP to check if the artists were listed, I had checked before I uploaded the comics, but checked again. They were not to be found on the list. I then went to see if I had posted them within the two years DNP timer. Both of the comics had been uploaded to E-Hentai at 2014, in the month of March. The quarantine is over. They should be safe to upload.

If the guys who deleted my posts left a reason for why on the comment section of the posts.. then why bother? The images were going to be deleted. Wouldn't it be better to just send me a message about why. If somebody does something wrong, you should punish them. But, if the punished/guilty does not know, or understands, or gets told why they are getting punished, then the punishment is wasted, because the punished/guilty has not learned why what they did was wrong. Specially if, after looking trough all of the rules, can' find the answer.

If you can be bothered to delete a lot of images by somebody, then you should bothered to at least send them one message explaining why you are deleting them. Sure, you could criticize the up loader for not reading the rules, but if you can't be bothered to tell them why what they did was wrong, then aren't you just as lazy as them, but just in another way?

Check your deleted posts page Slyroon uploaded improved copies of them, it seems.

Furrin_Gok said:
Check your deleted posts page Slyroon uploaded improved copies of them, it seems.

I see.

God kveld, I have another question.

TL;DR: Do the notes on a image follow over if it is replaced with a higher quality one?

I've noticed that images that used to be further back in my favorites folder has started to come back to the front, due to them being re-uploaded as higher version. I guess this means that things like faves and likes transfer over, which is pretty nice. I too have some images that I have already uploaded, but that I have found higher resolution versions off. My problem is, they are in Japanese, and some people have been kind as to translate them, and put up notes with translation.

I don't know if the amount of notes you have made on posts count towards anything, but if they do, then I don't want to be stepping on somebodies toes.

intelligent_turret said:
God kveld, I have another question.

TL;DR: Do the notes on a image follow over if it is replaced with a higher quality one?

I've noticed that images that used to be further back in my favorites folder has started to come back to the front, due to them being re-uploaded as higher version. I guess this means that things like faves and likes transfer over, which is pretty nice. I too have some images that I have already uploaded, but that I have found higher resolution versions off. My problem is, they are in Japanese, and some people have been kind as to translate them, and put up notes with translation.

I don't know if the amount of notes you have made on posts count towards anything, but if they do, then I don't want to be stepping on somebodies toes.

I don't think you lose your "Note edits" from having them deleted when a new post is made, so it's all good.

Furrin_Gok said:
I don't think you lose your "Note edits" from having them deleted when a new post is made, so it's all good.

Yeah.. but didn't SuperRamen say that that was what happened to him?

intelligent_turret said:
Yeah.. but didn't SuperRamen say that that was what happened to him?

Remember back when that one guy posted thousands of notes? They were all deleted, but he still has thousands of edits on his profile page.

Furrin_Gok said:
Remember back when that one guy posted thousands of notes? They were all deleted, but he still has thousands of edits on his profile page.

Alright. I'll guess I'll go for it then. If I end up screwing the translator over, then sue me if you have too.

Welp. I did what I said I would do. I posted the larger versions of the images, and copy and pasted the notes so that nobody had to go trough the bother of translating them again. I flagged the previous version due to being of inferior quality, and all was well. Or so it seemed.

You see, Despite the original comic being up here on this site for about a month now, (NotGonnaNameThem) decided that No, the images in the comic is off a lower quality than what this site shall accept, and thus deleted all of them.

Now admittedly, the comic I uploaded [ http://g.e-hentai.org/g/641170/766089bbcc/ ] Is, as you can see, not of the best quality. The art is good, but the guy who uploaded the book did it by taking pictures with their camera. I won't lie, that the dimensions are wrong an all that. But, consider this.
A. There is no real defection or example off what kind of image quality is "Acceptable" for this site. I looked throughout, but there was no guide for that, so I guess it fall entirely onto the eyes of the beholder. Which brings me to..
B. Even tough the images might be lacking, so do I not think that it warrants a deletion. I mean, the art itself is still very good. And you can still generally see what is going on in the images. So it's not like the image is just a jumbled mess.
C. These images also happen to be the best quality images from the comic that is on the Internet. Try as you might, I doubt you'll find a better scan of the comic anywhere out there. IF you do, then that's great, but until then, these scans are the best we have.

Sorry for coming off as a good bit salty, but I kind of am. Spent a lot of time preparing to upload these comics, so having it all be for naught is honestly currently grinding me more or less up the wall. I also have a couple of personal problems going on right now, but they are personal so I'm not going to bore you with them.

Off course, I hope that the images will be unbanned. But I would honestly be happy if we could just have a clearer, more concrete, and better visualized definition of what a "Does not meet minimum quality standards" would look like, unlike the open, questionable, up to your taste and own opinion version of the definition that we seem to have now. (Tough if we do have that, feel free to link to it in a reply, so I can go get myself educated with it).

Hey. I love the website, and I have frequented for some time now (On the verge of 2 years, I believe) But I do have a slight criticism with the latest update to the Pool feature. And that is that I don't like the fact that the Next button exists, even when there isn't any future pieces in the pool. While it is different in colour, and there isn't actually a link there, it's still there, and that's what bothers me.

I understand that this probably isn't an issue which is reflected by the majority of the community, but for someone like me, who is actually colourblind, it's hard to immediately tell if it's white or blue, with the latter indicating there's a link, and a next submission in the pool. I mainly use a combination of the favourites and pool features to keep track of comics which I enjoy, and I follow upwards of 10-15 comics at any one time, and it's just that little bit more inconvenient to have to double-check to make sure that there isn't a next post in the pool.

Like I said, this wouldn't surprise me if this isn't a commonly shared opinion. I do enjoy what you guys do, and this is the first time I've ever had a complaint about the website, and it is a relatively minor one. I don't know if anyone else here shares my feelings about it, and if not, feel free to disregard this post. I understand you can't please everyone, and as I said, this is only a minor complaint, and I will still continue to enjoy the website regardless.

@Clopperpony1993: It was the first thing I noticed about the latest update. The same applies to the Previous button on the first image of the pool.

Automatically remembering the last set selected when adding a post to it is really great!

Couple of things:

When I log in, it never recognizes my password and I always have to go through the "forgot your password" process. I've found lately that I can just enter my same old password when creating a new one and it will log me in, and once I'm in, it will say "error: you're already logged in". It's basically a long way to log in. I have it set to be logged in at all times but sometimes when I'm somehow not logged in, I have to go through that process all over again. My theory is that it might have something to do with my username changes.

Also lately (right now and a couple of days ago), the website has been painfully slow, like dial-up slow (maybe even slower, I wouldn't doubt it). I haven't seen anyone else complain about it so it would seem like it's my connection, but all other sites work fine for me, idk what's up with that. Possibly bad timing because it's busy, I just never had this happen twice in a row within a few days apart.

Besides those issues, this site is amazing. I've been coming here for a few years now and there's always great new stuff on here.

Who ever updated the up vote buttons for the comments section, thank you very much. I only browse this site via smart phone. Much harder to accidentally down vote.

Is there a mechanism for getting a mod to look at an upload waiting approval that for some unknown (at least unknown to us schlubs out on the user side of the network) hasn't been given the ok or no-ok? Or do we just have to send a message to a random mod to say "hey, what's up with this?" about the post?

Yeah, asking about one of my uploads, post #927578, which is still pending even though later uploads have been approved, but the above question is something that would apply even if I didn't have a personal stake in the matter.

[edit] Second paragraph addressed.

imagoober said:
Is there a mechanism for getting a mod to look at an upload waiting approval that for some unknown (at least unknown to us schlubs out on the user side of the network) hasn't been given the ok or no-ok? Or do we just have to send a message to a random mod to say "hey, what's up with this?" about the post?

Those stay in the queue until someone gets around to handling them. Sometimes everyone's too busy to keep up with the approvals, mailing admins about that just slows it down more by creating additional work.

Obvious stuff tends to get approved faster. Non- and low-furry content might end up skipped by some, and some posts are left waiting for second opinion.

_{As for myself, I just moved and it turned out that wireless internet isn't working here yet. They're going to build an access point during late August, but until then I won't be able to get much work done.}

None of these are official anythings; just possible suggestions

Notes for later:

• *_(disambiguation) tags should probably have their own tag type
• physical gender tags should have their own tag type
• {{gendtags:0}}
• primary sex characteristics + breasts etc. should have their own tag type
• {{sexchartags:0}}
• sex positions should prob. have their own tag type

• removing implicated parent tags should have an option to remove all child tags
• option to add certain child tags of an implication selectively

bullet point markup should/could have an option to not automatically generate lists above/below adjacent lines [quote this post and look at this entry to understand why]

• parasprite mentioned dtext reworking/debugging, []

• comment/discussion/notes section for wiki (already suggested, see [])
• comment dtext markup for wiki articles [already suggested]

• anchor tag functionality for forum posts (already there? needs testing links to #wikipage..obviously)

• [d] wiki article thumbnail rotation event thing
• https://e621.net/forum/show/200378

• parent/child tag encapsulation
• separate section for wiki link, and p/c link [replace Artist dir?]

• option to append page numbers onto filenames for images in a pool

• field for child posts (not tags)

• option to have private/unlisted sets work with the correct url/ per user

• [mod+?] mass wiki search & replace text tool
• ridiculous bandwith usage even if queued like alias/implication jobs?
• more bandwidth usage compared to doing it manually?

• add/append search query string to titlewindow of browser for forum searches

1 Does anyone (devs or otherwise) know whether or not tag types can be disjoint ?

e.g. the dog tag

it's currently type:species

Can it also be, say, type:artist?

What about type:copyright?
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So you have the following relations:

• dog
• type:species
• type:artist
• type:copyright

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2 What about nested typing?

• dog
• type:species
• subtype:breed
• type:artist
• subtype:upload_permission_granted
• type:copyright
• subtype:franchise

---

3 What about regular composite typing ?

• dog
• type:species = 'dog'
• type:sex = 'herm'
• type:[color=Gold]SpeciesSex[/color] = 'herm_dog'

titanmelon said:

1 Does anyone (devs or otherwise) know whether or not tag types can be disjoint ?

e.g. the dog tag

it's currently type:species

Can it also be, say, type:artist?

What about type:copyright?
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So you have the following relations:

• dog
• type:species
• type:artist
• type:copyright

--

2 What about nested typing?

• dog
• type:species
• subtype:breed
• type:artist
• subtype:upload_permission_granted
• type:copyright
• subtype:franchise

---

3 What about regular composite typing ?

• dog
• type:species = 'dog'
• type:sex = 'herm'
• type:[color=Gold]SpeciesSex = 'herm_dog'

It would require a complete rewrite of the tag system. Even adding new tag types is a big pain in the butt, despite there being a clearly defined process for it. Tags have exactly one type attached to them.

titanmelon said:

1 Does anyone (devs or otherwise) know whether or not tag types can be disjoint ?

e.g. the dog tag

it's currently type:species

Can it also be, say, type:artist?

What about type:copyright?
-

So you have the following relations:

• dog
• type:species
• type:artist
• type:copyright

--

2 What about nested typing?

• dog
• type:species
• subtype:breed
• type:artist
• subtype:upload_permission_granted
• type:copyright
• subtype:franchise

---

3 What about regular composite typing ?

• dog
• type:species = 'dog'
• type:sex = 'herm'
• type:[color=Gold]SpeciesSex = 'herm_dog'

We've been avoiding joint tags of that sort. Just tag "Dog" and "herm" separate. If you've got a case of being an artist and a character, use suffixes to denote which is which.

Is there a reason for avoiding that beyond "it would be hard to implement?"

Because I don't think there is. And "it's hard" is really not a valid reason. So what if it would require a rewrite of the tag system? Find a way to do it and create an automated system to port the existing tag structure into the new system. This is what developers are for. If someone can't create new features, they are not a developer. They merely maintain code that someone else wrote.

e621 has needed metatags/disjoint tags/subtags for at least the past 7 years. And we still don't have them. What's all that dildo money for, if not to make the best user experiences possible? And how can we really distinguish the site from others if all we are is a minor Danbooru fork with blips and a blue color scheme?

KiraNoot said:
Even adding new tag types is a big pain in the butt, despite there being a clearly defined process for it.

How is this even possible? If there is a clearly defined process, anybody should be able to add a new tag type anytime they want to. Either the process is documented and achievable or it isn't.

null0010 said:
Is there a reason for avoiding that beyond "it would be hard to implement?"

Because I don't think there is. And "it's hard" is really not a valid reason. So what if it would require a rewrite of the tag system? Find a way to do it and create an automated system to port the existing tag structure into the new system. This is what developers are for. If you can't create new features, you are not a developer. You merely maintain code that someone else wrote.

e621 has needed metatags/disjoint tags/subtags for at least the past 7 years. And we still don't have them. What's all that dildo money for, if not to make the best user experiences possible? And how can we really distinguish the site from others if all we are is a minor Danbooru fork with blips and a blue color scheme?

How is this even possible? If there is a clearly defined process, anybody should be able to add a new tag type anytime they want to. Either the process is documented and achievable or it isn't.

It sure must be hard to not know the difference between "do able but hard" and "impossible", and also to have absolutely no idea about how to manage a large project with foreign code that still needs to work flawlessly after changing or inserting any code.
If you believe you can do better submit your resume here.

Besides that Kira has contributed more to the page in the 3 months she has been here than you have in all the years you were an admin.

I fail to see what my status as a non-developer and non-admin have to do with the current state of the site, but feel free to stomp on my face I guess. My abilities have nothing to do with this line of inquiry because I am not responsible for the code of e621 and I never have been.

NotMeNotYou said:
It sure must be hard to not know the difference between "do able but hard" and "impossible", and also to have absolutely no idea about how to manage a large project with foreign code that still needs to work flawlessly after changing or inserting any code.

It sure must be hard to have to make blanket judgements about people you barely know and haven't interacted with in any meaningful way in over three years, but here we are aren't we? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

NotMeNotYou said:
If you believe you can do better submit your resume here.

This is like saying a moviegoer has no right to form an opinion on a film until they have written, directed, filmed, and produced their own. One does not have to be a creator to recognize bad creation.

NotMeNotYou said:
Besides that Kira has contributed more to the page in the 3 months she has been here than you have in all the years you were an admin.

I don't recall criticizing Kira in any way. Is Kira a developer for the site? If so, I was unaware of that.

null0010 said:
I fail to see what my qualifications as a non-developer and non-admin have to do with the current state of the site, but feel free to stomp on my face I guess.

With pleasure.

Seriously though, my point is really just that Kira is hard at work fixing bugs, improving performance, and adding small quality of life changes along the way. We will start looking into adding new and larger features once the existing code of the site has been brought up to a workable standard.
Just as an example, we ran a 3 year old version of Ruby on Rails until 2 months ago, we had multiple security problems, large performance issues everywhere, and countless other things lingering under the hood from pretty much a couple years of neglect.

You insinuating that Kira is incompetent is aggravating simply because you have absolutely no clue what she has done and will continue doing for the page.

So shut up and sit down while we actually improve the page for everybody, one bug at a time.

null0010 said:

I don't recall criticizing Kira in any way. Is Kira a developer for the site? If so, I was unaware of that.

Kira is literally the Lead Developer, as such you were definitely criticizing her, even if you didn't realize that.

My criticism of the code of the site is not meant as a criticism of the existing development team. Those are two completely different ideas. Obviously Kira has not been in their current position for the entire lifetime of the site. This would be a ludicrous assumption to base one's position around.

It is admirable that they are bringing the site into the modern era. (Though I must question how I am expected to know what is done to the site's backend as an end user.) I look forward to seeing any new features - one of which, I hope, will be some form of metatagging. However, my earlier statements still ring true. The fact remains that e621 has been in a development quagmire for nearly its entire operational lifespan. From a user standpoint, the only notable feature the site has over basic Danbooru is blips - a feature that literally nobody asked for.

I don't understand why you feel the need to be so openly hostile towards me on this topic, there is no reason for this kind of behavior. I appreciate the dedication to the team (something I don't recall from my time served) but really? "Shut up and sit down"? I am attempting to highlight what I perceive as a problem with the site and this is the response from the Lead Administrator?

@Titanmelon:
How would that work from a user point of view?
Would the user input eg. dog_(copyright), dog_(artist), dog_(species) ? or copyright:dog, artist:dog, species:dog? ...
I ask that because no matter how things are stored internally, IMO the first question after 'is it possible' needs to be about how the user interacts with the feature. That will begin to answer the following questions "Is it worth doing?" and "How should it be done?"

@null0010:
Whether you intend it or not, I find your posts consistently have a hostile tone. Judging by NMNY's responses, I think he agrees with me on this and tends to respond to your hostility with hostility. I don't think that's a good thing, but it seems quite hypocritical to criticize him for hostility.

Null, I envy you, living with the belief that any developer can just snap their fingers and work miracles with code.

You are the one being hostile to the coders, by saying this should all already be fixed, when they're already doing their hardest to fix it. If it's impossible for you, don't make any assumptions as to how difficult or easy it is for people who actually can code. Any program you look at has had plenty of bugs, glitches, and other issues with it throughout its development, and when you're constantly adding more stuff, you're left in the dust trying to fix not only what was there before, but all of the new bugs that show up.

My skills as a "Developer" are very minor: I work slow and barely know what I'm doing, and so when I do use my talent, I use it on somebody else's work, sifting through their finshed code and finding ways to speed it up, correct minor issues, and other things. I can tell you from experience that even developers that are in the field of "Professional" can and even usually will still make a bunch of mistakes or miss little things. Coding isn't the magic you think it is, and what Nimmy says about new problems for every added bit, and incompatibilities with old code, is true. It didn't matter if it was something I added, or something I watched these professionals add, once it was in, something else went wrong. We had to go in and change the other lines of code to play nice with the new one, which slowed down advances into other fields. If we tried to add several things at once, we'd suddenly have no idea where to even begin looking to figure out what went wrong!

Furrin_Gok said:
Null, I envy you, living with the belief that any developer can just snap their fingers and work miracles with code.

I'd love for you to quote me saying that. I'm pretty sure I mentioned the difficulty of a change of the magnitude that I want to see.

null0010 said:
I'd love for you to quote me saying that.

null0010 said:
anybody should be able to add a new tag type anytime they want to. Either the process is documented and achievable or it isn't.

Sorry, man, but it's just not that simple. Like I said, in my experiences, I've seen an entire code get ruined because somebody followed the same exact steps as before to try and add one extra new thing, yet it somehow didn't work out. I don't know why codes fall apart so easily, but it requires a lot of work to fix the minor bugs and inconsistencies, and documented "How tos" on adding more code aren't as foolproof as it may sound.
I was also being a little sarcastic with the envy remark, sorry

null0010 said:
If there is a clearly defined process, anybody should be able to add a new tag type anytime they want to. Either the process is documented and achievable or it isn't.

As you can see, I did not posit that a developer can snap their fingers and make magic happen.

I maintain dedicated servers for a living and I can tell you, as a non-developer, if a process is well-documented enough, I can pull it off. I understand that the code for e621 is likely a tangled mess. I am not trying to imply inadequacy of the current development team. I am sure they are great (or they would not have been added to the team; apparently resumes are a requirement now - good) and I look forward to seeing what they do with the site. That said, the statement stands - the code for e621 is obviously just not documented well enough to make an addition like a new tag type a simple affair.

However, as stated, this is not the fault of the current development team. Working with inherited code is hell, and the blame lies squarely at the feet of previous developers. Not least of which, I imagine, would be Aurali.

null0010 said:
As you can see, I did not posit that a developer can snap their fingers and make magic happen.

I maintain dedicated servers for a living and I can tell you, as a non-developer, if a process is well-documented enough, I can pull it off. I understand that the code for e621 is likely a tangled mess. I am not trying to imply inadequacy of the current development team. I am sure they are great (or they would not have been added to the team; apparently resumes are a requirement now - good) and I look forward to seeing what they do with the site. That said, the statement stands - the code for e621 is obviously just not documented well enough to make an addition like a new tag type a simple affair.

However, as stated, this is not the fault of the current development team. Working with inherited code is hell, and the blame lies squarely at the feet of previous developers. Not least of which, I imagine, would be Aurali.

What code did those servers run off of?

Varies on the server. Each one is a little different, but most are built atop an Linux and Apache/Nginx base. (I have no interest in being more specific than this because I don't want to reveal the specific host.) Over that is where the big variation starts to take place.

But that has next to nothing to do with e621's tangled nest of spaghetti. (Other than it also running on Nginx, I suppose.)

Is there an easy way to copy text from the tag changes page?

I noticed everything seems to be un-highlightable because of a script (didn't check which)

Is there a way to disable that?

KiraNoot said:
It would require a complete rewrite of the tag system. Even adding new tag types is a big pain in the butt, despite there being a clearly defined process for it. Tags have exactly one type attached to them.

Aww :c

Yeah, that sounds like a lot to consider

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savageorange said:
@Titanmelon:
How would that work from a user point of view?
Would the user input eg. dog_(copyright), dog_(artist), dog_(species) ? or copyright:dog, artist:dog, species:dog? ...
I ask that because no matter how things are stored internally, IMO the first question after 'is it possible' needs to be about how the user interacts with the feature. That will begin to answer the following questions "Is it worth doing?" and "How should it be done?"

Good question!

If you're brave enough, check this out for some stuff I was considering (not limited to e621) about booru tag systems in general

I noticed that text on the same line as a thumbnail link seems to wrap a bit oddly:
(center aligned?)

post #789469 is a good example in the smaller emoticon thing on the right, but it's hard to tell with black_sclera and a snout

thumb #789469 is a good example in the smaller emoticon thing on the right, but it's hard to tell with black_sclera and a snout

Is this known/expected behaviour?

titanmelon said:
I noticed that text on the same line as a thumbnail link seems to wrap a bit oddly:
(center aligned?)

code

thumb #789469 is a good example in the smaller emoticon thing on the right, but it's hard to tell with black_sclera and a snout

Is this known/expected behaviour?

It is known, albeit I'm not sure if it's intended. You can often see it in the blips or on certain Wiki pages.

IMO it would be neat if a few sentences under each other can fit in before or behind a thumbnail somehow.

titanmelon said:
Is there an easy way to copy text from the tag changes page?

I noticed everything seems to be un-highlightable because of a script (didn't check which)

Is there a way to disable that?

I know of no standard UI method, but I use the following as part of a browser extension/user script.

Paste the following in the browser's developer console (use at own risk, i.e. probably not a good idea to use when reverting/undoing):

PostTagHistory.mousedown = function(id, e){e.stopPropagation();}

However, the easier way is probably to temporarily disable javascript.

Something I've wondered:

Is there a way to use the minus key in a search to hide images that have two or more specific tags in them (as combinations)? Or even blacklist those combinations?

For example, hiding a post that has both the tags 'anal' and 'male/female' in it. You still want posts that have 'anal' and 'male/male;' just not anal and male/female.

Me and my noobness assumed something simplistic like typing '-male/female+anal.' Was worth a try, lol

And if this isn't a thing yet, I think it would be useful! owo

Forum-related: prefixing titles with [ ]: y/n/m?

Since we seem to have official forum title 'tags' such as [Bug] and [Feature],

should we be avoiding the use of 'unofficial' title tags in forum OPs?

-
I ask because I'm thinking of adding an [Advanced] 'tag' to some (of my) forums, so they can be found easier
(since they're both not very consistent in theme, and low-traffic)
eg

Wiki Standards: Policy, Editing and Content

Human-Shaped said:
Something I've wondered:

Is there a way to use the minus key in a search to hide images that have two or more specific tags in them (as combinations)? Or even blacklist those combinations?

For example, hiding a post that has both the tags 'anal' and 'male/female' in it. You still want posts that have 'anal' and 'male/male;' just not anal and male/female.

Me and my noobness assumed something simplistic like typing '-male/female+anal.' Was worth a try, lol

And if this isn't a thing yet, I think it would be useful! owo

you can actually just concatenate them like this: -male/female -anal

This search query is telling the system to filter out everything tagged with 'male/female' and everything tagged with 'anal'. There is no built-in functionality for interpreting "not(a or b)", but "(not a) and (not b)" is an equivalent expression which can actually be used.

To blacklist combinations you put the set of things you want to blacklist on the same line and it will filter out search results that contain all the tags on that line. The above expression will also work for that purpose.

I generally don't understand why this thread isn't a sticky. It's seems to be the only helpful thread that anyone can post a report or issue that can easily be resolved and standout to admins/mods. Correct me if I'm wrong if there is a thread for that.

Anyways, I wanted to point out that a few images have been overlooked and didn't received a past in moderation and more recent uploads had pushed them into other pages.
https://e621.net/post/show/1047917
https://e621.net/post/show/1047916
https://e621.net/post/show/1046280
https://e621.net/post/show/1045553

DFKJR said:
I generally don't understand why this thread isn't a sticky. It's seems to be the only helpful thread that anyone can post a report or issue that can easily be resolved and standout to admins/mods. Correct me if I'm wrong if there is a thread for that.

It is. Admins cut down the amount of officially stickied threads to avoid forum clutter (Originally, users would have to go to the second or third page all the time to see all new threads). forum #200441 is a stickied thread that lists these not-actually-stickied threads.

Anyways, I wanted to point out that a few images have been overlooked and didn't received a past in moderation and more recent uploads had pushed them into other pages.
https://e621.net/post/show/1047917
https://e621.net/post/show/1047916
https://e621.net/post/show/1046280
https://e621.net/post/show/1045553

That happens all the time. Four days is harmless. It's taken up to a month quite frequently, especially with fringe cases like humanoids.

I would like to have a recommended tab for this website, it would compile your most used tags, artists, style, quality, and compile them in a single page.