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Purpose

Point of this forum is various discussions of the weirder body types on e621. Including but not limited to:

Coming up with a unique body type tag for characters in the examples below, which..

• Is not of the anthro, feral, human, humanoid, taur body type
• Does NOT use a body type which can include any of the following
• eg alien, monster

Other goals:

• Tag/usage definition of tag
• Term standardization of tag
• Possible conflicts with other tags/body types

Some notes:

• A body type is not the same as a species
• However, a species can be a 'body type'
• eg alien, flora_fauna

Topics addressed so far:

Links to other discussions:

TBA

Other useful links:

tag group:body types

alien
eldritch_horror
interspecies
monster
nightmare fuel
what has science done
xenophilia (currently 'unofficial')

Examples

Non-examples (TBD)

Maybe we could have a tag specifically for identifying non-humanoid creatures with minor humanoid attributes?

In the meantime, there's the possibility of expanding the humanoid_* tags, but there's no umbrella tag for those on non-humanoids

Not that it would make much of difference for now, since we presently^{[citation needed]} don't tag humans with stuff like humanoid_feet anyway
(we do tag humanoid_penis on humans though, it's the same story with anthro)

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Discussion: Open

1. Do we have a major, mutually-exclusive body type tag for non-humanoid, non-feral characters?

• aliens can be humanoid / feral (???)
• so can monsters

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Should aliens be able to be feral?

This term is used to describe an animal character that is drawn in its natural (real) form.

Almost any animal can have a feral form.

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It should be noted alien/monster are species tags, not body type tags (??)

• are species/body types mutually-exclusive?
• naga and lamia are currently used as body types

2. Do we have a specific interspecies tag for the abovementioned body type?

something like:

• digiphilia - digimon x non-digimon
• pokephilia - pokemon x non-pokemon
• necrophilia - dead x not-dead
• (anything for undead x non-dead??)

[term]philia - aberrations x non-aberrations

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xenophilia exists, but it was pointed out": that the definition and scope are ambiguous, since xeno- doesn't necessarily refer to just extra-terrestrials or 'monsters' etc

Just noticed we have an eldritch_horror tag

Monster subtag. Cosmic horrors and other creatures of alien geometry and disturbing otherness, defined by their surrealistic and incomprehensible nature.

Would aberration be interchangeable with eldritch_horror?

titanmelon said:
Should aliens be able to be feral?

I don't see why not, any reason they shouldn't?

titanmelon said:
Just noticed we have an eldritch_horror tag
Would aberration be interchangeable with eldritch_horror?

Depends what kind of aberration you are talking about, e.g. chromatic_aberration is definitely not an eldritch_horror. Using aberration as a species tag seems slightly unintuitive, while eldritch horror is a bit more generally known what it entails due to e.g. Lovecraft.

• Added some examples to OP2
• Added more info to OP about purpose of forum
• main point for now is finding a unique body type tag for characters like these
• added eldritch_horror to tag list
• added Eldritch_horror to title

Chessax said:
I don't see why not, any reason they shouldn't?

Good point, can't think any reason otherwise

Pretty sure at least 1 family friendly alien dog character exists out there

Depends what kind of aberration you are talking about, e.g. chromatic_aberration is definitely not an eldritch_horror.

Hahah yeah,

Using aberration as a species tag seems slightly unintuitive, while eldritch horror is a bit more generally known what it entails due to e.g. Lovecraft.

Hm, I wouldn't mind using eldritch_horror instead, since it does technically fit the scope rather well

The alien tag is a random collection of species that don't seem to have anything in common. Even kirby gets tagged as alien.

I think we should move away from using it, and instead focus on tags that can be defined. It's already been mostly replaced by humanoid, and the rest of the species in it would fit in existing categories too.

& partly-anthro_non-furry & non-anthro_non-furry
definable, clear, better than nothing.

TL;DR

• alien is possibly tagged via outside info/context, similar to characters and artists
• should there be an exception for alien too?

• we could keep alien to group characters who fit the description across different body types (humanoid, waddling head, feral, etc)

• what about alien a-> extra_terrestrial ?
• 'alien' still works as a tagging shortcut

ZaSigma4 said:
anthro_non-furry & partly-anthro_non-furry & non-anthro_non-furry
definable, clear, better than nothing.

I like the general concept, but wouldn't say it's exactly definable or clear (the terms)

That's mostly because of how vague 'anthro' and 'furry' are, both of which are in the tags
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It's somewhat similar to that suggestion I made to use 'anthro' as a macro grouping of sorts

• anthro
• semi-anthro
• non-anthro

titanmelon said:

• what about alien a-> extra_terrestrial ?
• 'alien' still works as a tagging shortcut

I'm not certain I understood the purpose of this change, how will that help define it? E.g. all pokémons are technically extraterrestials since they do not come from Terra (aka Earth) but a planet referred to as the Pokémon world. Meaning all ("human") pokémon_trainers are also extraterrestials, especially when taking theories of pokémon-"human" common ancestry in consideration, but I'm going insane hyperbole here...

Chessax said:
I'm not certain I understood the purpose of this change, how will that help define it? E.g. all pokémons are technically extraterrestials since they do not come from Terra (aka Earth) but a planet referred to as the Pokémon world. Meaning all ("human") pokémon_trainers are also extraterrestials, especially when taking theories of pokémon-"human" common ancestry in consideration, but I'm going insane hyperbole here...

I think your the first to refer Pokemon as extraterrestrials. Land masses are diferent but the place none the less is still commonly referred as earth, same case we by the way have with dragon ball which is also still referred as earth, when it's not at all the one we know. I'd be for a change mostly because xenomorphs are commonly referred simply as aliens...

titanmelon said:
I like the general concept, but wouldn't say it's exactly definable or clear (the terms)

That's mostly because of how vague 'anthro' and 'furry' are, both of which are in the tags

Hm.. yeah, I didn't notice you haven't settle problems within both anthro and not_furry. I thought at least they can be used as temporary tags for posts that don't have any body type tag for now. I don't understand why everyone seems hesitant to add "temporary" tag.

Ruku said:
I think your the first to refer Pokemon as extraterrestrials. Land masses are diferent but the place none the less is still commonly referred as earth, same case we by the way have with dragon ball which is also still referred as earth, when it's not at all the one we know. I'd be for a change mostly because xenomorphs are commonly referred simply as aliens...

While off topic, you do know that Pokemon have their own creation myth, right? I'm not only talking about life on this planet, but the entire universe. It might have common things with earth, but that's because it needs to be relatable, nothing else seems to speak in the favor of this planet being Earth. Them calling it Earth could just be coincidence (or again relatability), after all it's earth you have beneath your feet so it's pretty logical to call the landmass (and planet) you stand on for earth.

But can anyone come with a taggable definition for alien (or extraterrestial)? I wouldn't even know where to begin. Look at what's currently tagged as alien:

post #128667 post #600217 post #822833 post #498184 post #684206 post #589249 post #891365 post #428098 post #413446 post #572441

Why are some of those aliens, instead of just regular anthros?
And then there's a whole lot of humanoids with various skin-colors. By what measure are some of them aliens, while nearly identical humanoids (such as Equestria Girls) aren't?

Should we really keep a tag that can only be tagged by outside information?

Chessax said:
While off topic, you do know that Pokemon have their own creation myth, right? I'm not only talking about life on this planet, but the entire universe. It might have common things with earth, but that's because it needs to be relatable, nothing else seems to speak in the favor of this planet being Earth. Them calling it Earth could just be coincidence (or again relatability), after all it's earth you have beneath your feet so it's pretty logical to call the landmass (and planet) you stand on for earth.

have you heard of alternate planet earth's, history may vary but the planet pokémon are on is still planet earth and as such are terestrial, not extra-tetestrial. Fact that their solar system has the same moons, planets and sun as our known system is obvious enough. Alternate earth's is a common theme in many series including pokémon and comics such as DC Comics.

Genjar said:
But can anyone come with a taggable definition for alien (or extraterrestial)?

By my book an alien is one of two things:

• A humanoid with larger and obvious non-human features probably excluding most animal_humanoids, skin color and pointy_ears.
• A non-humanoid with no clear relation to a real life organisms, also excluding things like animal_humanoids, robots etc.

The "problem" with even this broad definition, is that things like waddling_head would probably be considered aliens. My additional idea would probably be to exclude things that look toony, but even without that it feels like this would be impossible to enforce.

If we don't want to keep it, it should definitely be disambiguated and not invalidated, because things could probably still be sorted into other categories.

Ruku said:
have you heard of alternate planet earth's, history may vary but the planet pokémon are on is still planet earth and as such are terestrial, not extra-tetestrial. Fact that their solar system has the same moons, planets and sun as our known system is obvious enough. Alternate earth's is a common theme in many series including pokémon and comics such as DC Comics.

Alternate Earths are not Earth for me, it is likely that any planet capable of developing macroscopic life will share common features to Earth, hence pretty much any fictional naturally inhabitable planet could be considered an alternate Earth. Having satellites and revolving around a star does not make Earth unique. It's just a ploy to cause people to relate because they are made for humans, but as said:

I'm going insane hyperbole here...