LumenSageAlexander said:
To be fair I did it just now because I didn't know Furrin's gender off-hand, but I know I prefer They and one of my best friends actually refers to itself as It.

It may seem dehumanizing to you but it's all relative.

"They" definitely is the safer option when you don't know, but "it" definitely would come across as rude to me unless the person says they prefer that sort of pronoun (and then I'd just be confused as to why, but whatever).
Though for the record I make good use of my User Information to avoid gender confusions :P

Furrin_Gok said:
"They" definitely is the safer option when you don't know, but "it" definitely would come across as rude to me unless the person says they prefer that sort of pronoun (and then I'd just be confused as to why, but whatever).
Though for the record I make good use of my User Information to avoid gender confusions :P

Ah noted, thanks dude.

BlueDingo said:
Referring to individual people as "it" or "they". Using genderless pronouns for vague things like "a character" where any gender (and sometimes, any number of characters) is possible makes sense but I can't be the only one who finds referring to specific people with these terms dehumanizing.

The dinosaurs disagree with you about "they": https://xkcd.com/145/

seeing this world progress to a world of frankenstein creatures. this also frightens me...a LOT.

thanks to Suit Yourself, i just learned that they are now attempting womb transplants.

i don't want to live in a world that is so unnatural that men can get a womb transplant and can get pregnant.

this is going too far. this is disturbing. this is...ugh, i don't even want to think of the mental gymnastics that will be required to explain how fucked up this is when kids start asking questions about it.

this is complete and utter madness!

treos said:
seeing this world progress to a world of frankenstein creatures. this also frightens me...a LOT.

thanks to Suit Yourself, i just learned that they are now attempting womb transplants.

i don't want to live in a world that is so unnatural that men can get a womb transplant and can get pregnant.

this is going too far. this is disturbing. this is...ugh, i don't even want to think of the mental gymnastics that will be required to explain how fucked up this is when kids start asking questions about it.

this is complete and utter madness!

Can't say I share the sentiment. Being able to recieve a womb transplant sounds like a great thing: transgenders to female can actually have kids now!
Sure, it may seem odd that straight up men can, but gay couples have always been a thing, and it's not like this idea has never been explored in fiction. Male Pregnancy is a rather populated tag, after all.

Furrin_Gok said:
Can't say I share the sentiment. Being able to recieve a womb transplant sounds like a great thing: transgenders to female can actually have kids now!
Sure, it may seem odd that straight up men can, but gay couples have always been a thing, and it's not like this idea has never been explored in fiction. Male Pregnancy is a rather populated tag, after all.

I think it's a waste of time and resources compared to all the sick and injured people that need the doctor more. Hospital waiting lists are too long as it is.

Plus there's that awkward question of where they're going to get the uteruses from.

BlueDingo said:
I think it's a waste of time and resources compared to all the sick and injured people that need the doctor more. Hospital waiting lists are too long as it is.

Well, sure, that's a fair point to be angry about, but just "Omg the gays can have kids now this is so unnatural!1!!1!1one!" is just being a bigot.

Furrin_Gok said:
Well, sure, that's a fair point to be angry about, but just "Omg the gays can have kids now this is so unnatural!1!!1!1one!" is just being a bigot.

Calling an unnatural thing unnatural is not bigotry.

BlueDingo said:
Calling an unnatural thing unnatural is not bigotry.

Arguing it shouldn't exist because it's unnatural is, though. Prosthetic limbs are unnatural, should we have never even used peg legs, let alone the more mechanical variants that exist nowadays? Dentures, and the like? Many things humans have done is completely unnatural. That's what's natural for our species, is to do things outside of nature.

Furrin_Gok said:
Arguing it shouldn't exist because it's unnatural is, though. Prosthetic limbs are unnatural, should we have never even used peg legs, let alone the more mechanical variants that exist nowadays? Dentures, and the like? Many things humans have done is completely unnatural. That's what's natural for our species, is to do things outside of nature.

True, but we do it out of necessity. Prosthetic limbs, dentures, wheelchairs, etc. were made to replace lost limbs and/or help people regain functionality (moving around, chewing, etc.). When it comes to installing uteruses into gender-confused males and patching it every time something goes wrong, there are many more important things those same resources can be put towards plus this isn't being done to replace what they've lost, but to give them something they don't need.

People who think that a court of law should adopt a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality when dealing with men who have been accused of rape.

Also, people who think that requiring a woman to prove that she actually was raped when she makes such an accusation is "misogyny."

InannaEloah said:
People who think that a court of law should adopt a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality when dealing with men who have been accused of rape.

Also, people who think that requiring a woman to prove that she actually was raped when she makes such an accusation is "misogyny."

agreed, especially given how easily this kind of stuff can destroy a persons life if the accusations turn out to be false.

public and media: oh, the court found you (the man in question) were innocent of rape accusations? sorry but your still guilty of rape regardless. now, have fun with what's left of your ruined life.

wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

BlueDingo said:
True, but we do it out of necessity. Prosthetic limbs, dentures, wheelchairs, etc. were made to replace lost limbs and/or help people regain functionality (moving around, chewing, etc.). When it comes to installing uteruses into gender-confused males and patching it every time something goes wrong, there are many more important things those same resources can be put towards plus this isn't being done to replace what they've lost, but to give them something they don't need.

agreed

agreed

Furrin_Gok said:
Sure, it may seem odd that straight up men can, but gay couples have always been a thing, and it's not like this idea has never been explored in fiction. Male Pregnancy is a rather populated tag, after all.

true but how many gay people are trying to become something their not?

InannaEloah said:
Also, people who think that requiring a woman to prove that she actually was raped when she makes such an accusation is "misogyny."

People who think men can't get raped by women. Yeah, I sure loved having that razor so close to my neck and knowing that it would look like a suicide. Never mind I hate being touched. Me man. Me need woman.

kamimatsu said:
People who think men can't get raped by women. Yeah, I sure loved having that razor so close to my neck and knowing that it would look like a suicide. Never mind I hate being touched. Me man. Me need woman.

It's even worse when they laugh about it.

BlueDingo said:
It's even worse when they laugh about it.

Or coming out to my family as asexual and they assume the two are related, since "you've had crushes before".

kamimatsu said:
People who think men can't get raped by women. Yeah, I sure loved having that razor so close to my neck

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When you're trying to, oh I dunno, role play on ROLE PLAYING SITES, and nobody fucking responds. Seriously, it's a waste of God damn time.

RubisDrake said:
When you're trying to, oh I dunno, role play on ROLE PLAYING SITES, and nobody fucking responds. Seriously, it's a waste of God damn time.

I hate the people who who respond with 1 word or 1 sentence.

I'm not writing the story for you, RP back you fucking mongloid.

Rusty_ said:
I hate the people who who respond with 1 word or 1 sentence.

Agreed.

Con artists, who "provide" online "services" and convince you that you have some absolute dire need and only they can fulfill it, then try to guilt trip you into sacrificing your rent, or your grocery money, etc., to pay them by saying something along the lines of "what is getting cured of this horrible curse* worth to you?"

Well, it's not worth losing the roof over my head, thank you very much. I'll take my chances without your "services" if it means keeping my fucking home and having enough food to last me until the next paycheck.

*My situation was with an online "Medicine Woman" a few years back, and for the low low price of about half my monthly rent, she 'might' be able to make a curse she told me I had on me go away... and she tried to guilt trip me into paying a ridiculous amount of money by asking me how much my peace of mind was worth to me.

I wouldn't have had nearly as much trouble saying no as I did had I not been going through some really nasty shit at the time, which would take too long for me to describe here and would be way off-topic.

People who blatantly hack in video games and then blame their victims as "bad players" when they call them out on it, as well as their buddies who join the server and defend them so it's impossible to kick them and also impossible to convince anybody that they're hacking.

When you're able to do shit in a video game that no one else in the game can do because the game's physics make it impossible to do under normal circumstances, it's not because the other players are dumbasses, or new to the game, or because you have "skillz." It's because you've added a script kiddie to your fucking game because you're too much of a lazy, self-entitled piece of shit to actually do the necessary *WORK* required to get good without it. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, not your victims. You and only you. Your victims are not "toxic" just because they called you out as the cheating sonofabitch that you are. The only people here who are toxic are you and your sycophant buddies.

InannaEloah said:
People who blatantly hack in video games and then blame their victims as "bad players" when they call them out on it, as well as their buddies who join the server and defend them so it's impossible to kick them and also impossible to convince anybody that they're hacking.

When you're able to do shit in a video game that no one else in the game can do because the game's physics make it impossible to do under normal circumstances, it's not because the other players are dumbasses, or new to the game, or because you have "skillz." It's because you've added a script kiddie to your fucking game because you're too much of a lazy, self-entitled piece of shit to actually do the necessary *WORK* required to get good without it. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, not your victims. You and only you. Your victims are not "toxic" just because they called you out as the cheating sonofabitch that you are. The only people here who are toxic are you and your sycophant buddies.

Ever consider the existence of exploits and people taking hours upon hours to learn how to take advantage of them?
Granted, people who abuse exploits are something that makes me angry, so it's not much of a difference.

InannaEloah said:
People who blatantly hack in video games and then blame their victims as "bad players" when they call them out on it, as well as their buddies who join the server and defend them so it's impossible to kick them and also impossible to convince anybody that they're hacking.

When you're able to do shit in a video game that no one else in the game can do because the game's physics make it impossible to do under normal circumstances, it's not because the other players are dumbasses, or new to the game, or because you have "skillz." It's because you've added a script kiddie to your fucking game because you're too much of a lazy, self-entitled piece of shit to actually do the necessary *WORK* required to get good without it. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, not your victims. You and only you. Your victims are not "toxic" just because they called you out as the cheating sonofabitch that you are. The only people here who are toxic are you and your sycophant buddies.

eh, i only hack and cheat in single player. i prefer to keep multiplayer actually fun. that and unless the game keeps everything stored client side instead of server side (VERY bad idea for anything multiplayer related if the multiplayer is online) i wouldn't be able to do anything anyway as my skills are naught but basic "scan, locate, change then freezing values" with cheat engine. which typically doesn't do anything on multiplayer aside from looking like you've changed something in-game when really, nothings changed at all.

Furrin_Gok said:
Ever consider the existence of exploits and people taking hours upon hours to learn how to take advantage of them?
Granted, people who abuse exploits are something that makes me angry, so it's not much of a difference.

I think I know what game she's talking about, and she's right. While exploits exist, and said exploits are considered valid tactics and encouraged, there are a LOT of cheaters. And they do tend to bring in friends or bots to avoid being voted out, even collectively passing votes to kick whomever called a votekick on them. You also aren't allowed to initiate votekicks against someone on the other team, so they have to be caught and voted off by a teammate who would benefit from the cheating.

EDIT: Damn, I meant "bots", not "boys".

BlueDingo said:
Typical BLM supporter, assuming everyone who speaks english online is a white american. They tried that shit on me once, I told them my ancestors were the enslaved blacks. The following shitstorm was fun to watch.

I actually am a white American. I'm just a white American whose great-grandparents came to America because they were fleeing Ireland.

The shutdown of kiwifarms. But really more sad than angry. And to think I was about to finally stop lurking and settle down...

McCain, RINOs, and other traitors in the republican party

Rusty_ said:
McCain, RINOs, and other traitors in the republican party

I feel the same with certain Democrats.

ElctrcBoogalord said:
I feel the same with certain Democrats.

I feel that way with pretty much everyone involved in politics, with very few exceptions. It also turns out every exception has been made into a scapegoat by the rest.

Rusty_ said:
RINOs, and other traitors in the republican party

People who think "Republican" and "Conservative" are somehow automatically tied together and forget that the first Republican president was a liberal.

And Conservative TV and Radio personalities like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, because they not only perpetuate this myth, but also because they actually started the whole damn thing.

InannaEloah said:
People who think "Republican" and "Conservative" are somehow automatically tied together and forget that the first Republican president was a liberal.

And Conservative TV and Radio personalities like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, because they not only perpetuate this myth, but also because they actually started the whole damn thing.

I'd also like to add that, until very recently, the Democrats were typically Conservative and the Republicans were typically Liberal. In fact, Lincoln was Republican and Liberal.

In fact, Democrat and Republican used to be the same party (Democrat/Republican), and the opposite party was Federalist.

The actual core belief of Republicans is toward regulations being placed, while Democrats have in general been against regulation. That's why the earlier Democrats were pro-slavery (Abolishing slavery was considered excess regulation) while Republicans were against it (Screw your "property rights", liberty was listed before property in the Declaration). I'd consider myself Moderate, or in Political terms, a Traitor.

And then there was the Free Soil party, which was anti-slavery not because of morals, but because it turned out paying employees was more profitable and stimulated the economy.

kamimatsu said:
I'd also like to add that, until very recently, the Democrats were typically Conservative and the Republicans were typically Liberal. In fact, Lincoln was Republican and Liberal.

In fact, Democrat and Republican used to be the same party (Democrat/Republican), and the opposite party was Federalist.

The actual core belief of Republicans is toward regulations being placed, while Democrats have in general been against regulation. That's why the earlier Democrats were pro-slavery (Abolishing slavery was considered excess regulation) while Republicans were against it (Screw your "property rights", liberty was listed before property in the Declaration). I'd consider myself Moderate, or in Political terms, a Traitor.

And then there was the Free Soil party, which was anti-slavery not because of morals, but because it turned out paying employees was more profitable and stimulated the economy.

Huh... Learn something new everyday.

kamimatsu said:
I'd also like to add that, until very recently, the Democrats were typically Conservative and the Republicans were typically Liberal. In fact, Lincoln was Republican and Liberal.

In fact, Democrat and Republican used to be the same party (Democrat/Republican), and the opposite party was Federalist.

The actual core belief of Republicans is toward regulations being placed, while Democrats have in general been against regulation. That's why the earlier Democrats were pro-slavery (Abolishing slavery was considered excess regulation) while Republicans were against it (Screw your "property rights", liberty was listed before property in the Declaration). I'd consider myself Moderate, or in Political terms, a Traitor.

And then there was the Free Soil party, which was anti-slavery not because of morals, but because it turned out paying employees was more profitable and stimulated the economy.

Didn't the spectrum flip because of Lyndon B. Johnson, causing conservatives and liberals to switch places?

ElctrcBoogalord said:
Didn't the spectrum flip because of Lyndon B. Johnson, causing conservatives and liberals to switch places?

Nah. After all, JFK was right before him, and he was a Liberal Democrat, as shown by his views toward civil rights activism.

Alright. No more politics. That makes me ANGRY. Lol.

HypnoBitch said:
Alright. No more politics. That makes me ANGRY. Lol.

Alright, let's move on to shitty things drivers do! I'll start :D

Tailgating...

ElctrcBoogalord said:
Alright, let's move on to shitty things drivers do! I'll start :D

Tailgating...

Overtaking in the shoulder lane.

When my DirecTV says my favorite show is on, but it's actually another show entirely.

When people call folks "climate change deniers" because they don't automatically believe that a "97% consensus" equals proof that human beings are the main cause of climate change.

Being skeptical of alarmists who throw fancy words around and then claim that it's "Science!" without providing the hard data required to back their claims up is not denying climate change or being anti-science. In fact, if anyone's anti-science, it's the nitwits who push this stuff without proving it.

the stale memes

When people make fun of me online for being a furry... Makes me want to get violent, but I can't.

When people brag about what they got for christmas.

I would put this in the "What makes you sad?" thread but there isn't one.

When someone sends you a message, and you respond, but they never reply back. Like, mothafucker, do you take a dump, and not wipe!?

BlueDingo said:
True, but we do it out of necessity. Prosthetic limbs, dentures, wheelchairs, etc. were made to replace lost limbs and/or help people regain functionality (moving around, chewing, etc.). When it comes to installing uteruses into gender-confused males and patching it every time something goes wrong, there are many more important things those same resources can be put towards plus this isn't being done to replace what they've lost, but to give them something they don't need.

Trans people arnt confused about their gender, their gender simply didn't align with their sex and if scientists/doctors are able to help make their sex align with their gender, that's great! Im a man and I couldn't imagine living in a woman's body, if I did I'd want my body to be male. Besides, you can't just "therapy" a trans person into aligning their sex and gender, has never worked before, can't imagine it working in the future, it's like trying to make a gay person straight. Also, I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure the resources can be spared to try helping trans people, we arn't so starved of rescorces that we have to only focus on the really bad and commen diseases and injuries.

treos said:
seeing this world progress to a world of frankenstein creatures. this also frightens me...a LOT.

thanks to Suit Yourself, i just learned that they are now attempting womb transplants.

i don't want to live in a world that is so unnatural that men can get a womb transplant and can get pregnant.

this is going too far. this is disturbing. this is...ugh, i don't even want to think of the mental gymnastics that will be required to explain how fucked up this is when kids start asking questions about it.

this is complete and utter madness!

I can see the idea of a man giving birth is very upsetting to you, but I don't understand why, could you please elaborate? I don't see how a man giving birth is harmful to you or me so I'm confused by why you have so much distain for it. (Sorry if this message appears twice, this is only my second time posting on the forms and it's late)

swordofzodd said:
I can see the idea of a man giving birth is very upsetting to you, but I don't understand why, could you please elaborate? I don't see how a man giving birth is harmful to you or me so I'm confused by why you have so much distain for it. (Sorry if this message appears twice, this is only my second time posting on the forms and it's late)

how many species in nature do you see where the male is the one giving birth? it feels backwards and wrong to me. actually, the whole transgender thing in general is like that for me when it comes to things like the sex change operation and stuff.

on top of that, theres the mess regarding pregnancy.

first, for a trans woman theres all the hormones and whatnot from the sex change operation and stuff. how will that affect the infant and it's developmental process?

second, since they were originally male (physically) and males don't normally give birth to anything, that's likely to lead to even more problems.

all of this because someone wants, but doesn't necessarily need, to physically be the opposite sex they were born as to live their life. and if something DOES go wrong and the kid comes out messed up, they have only themselves to blame for it.

i'd have to side with those who would put need before want on this.

One thing that really makes me mad is when people misue the word SJW. Maybe I've just gotten unlucky, but I've seen it used by jerks to insult non bigots so often that Im always wary when i see someone called that, like "is this person actually a kill all men SJW or just someone who's against sexism?" I once saw someone call a show's portrayal of woman misogynistic and someone else said "Did he just use the word misogynistic? I hope he hasn't been infected by any of that crazy SJW stuff sitting around on YouTube" like, it dosn't matter to you HOW it was used or it's context? Give me a break. Not everyone who at all cares about stuff like woman's rights automatically qualifies as an SJW

treos said:
how many species in nature do you see where the male is the one giving birth? it feels backwards and wrong to me. actually, the whole transgender thing in general is like that for me when it comes to things like the sex change operation and stuff.

on top of that, theres the mess regarding pregnancy.

first, for a trans woman theres all the hormones and whatnot from the sex change operation and stuff. how will that affect the infant and it's developmental process?

second, since they were originally male (physically) and males don't normally give birth to anything, that's likely to lead to even more problems.

all of this because someone wants, but doesn't necessarily need, to physically be the opposite sex they were born as to live their life. and if something DOES go wrong and the kid comes out messed up, they have only themselves to blame for it.

i'd have to side with those who would put need before want on this.

In pipefish, seahorses and the leafy seadragon, the males are the ones who carry their young. I have never cared about what is and isn't natural for a human so I'll be honast, I can't relate to feeling as if something like male pregnancy or sex change operarions are wrong. Like, I want to see where your coming from but I just cannot understand why things like that would feel inherently wrong to someone. I'm not a doctor, does going through hormone theropy affect a baby during pregnancy? If it does, couldn't you just wait on the hormone therapy until after the sex change and after you've gave birth? Do you need the hormone therapy during a sex change operation? Like I said, I'm not a doctor, but it seems to me that if the doctors do a good job on the whole making a male able to give birth thing, there shouldn't be any problems with giving birth, but since we are both making assumptions on that, I think we should both do research on male pregnancy, I only just learned today that those species could even have male pregnancy. (Its late I've gotta go to bed, if I don't respond for a while that's why)

InannaEloah said:
When people call folks "climate change deniers" because they don't automatically believe that a "97% consensus" equals proof that human beings are the main cause of climate change.

Being skeptical of alarmists who throw fancy words around and then claim that it's "Science!" without providing the hard data required to back their claims up is not denying climate change or being anti-science. In fact, if anyone's anti-science, it's the nitwits who push this stuff without proving it.

Thank you. Personally, I actually believe that humans are the main cause, but it does require proof. As far as I'm concerned, my side made the claim, so the burden of proof is on us, and while there isn't necessarily anything to disprove it, I can understand that science doesn't work that way, and that the reason my views aren't a theory is because they're still a hypothesis. I may disagree with your conclusion, but your argument still holds up.

kamimatsu said:
Thank you. Personally, I actually believe that humans are the main cause, but it does require proof. As far as I'm concerned, my side made the claim, so the burden of proof is on us, and while there isn't necessarily anything to disprove it, I can understand that science doesn't work that way, and that the reason my views aren't a theory is because they're still a hypothesis. I may disagree with your conclusion, but your argument still holds up.

It's good to see someone here who appreciates what science is and isn't. With all the BS and political nonsense flying around about this subject it's a refreshing change.

As for my conclusion, the only conclusion I have to date is that I don't know if humans are doing it or not, and I won't believe that we are until it is proven to be so with actual evidence. The alarmism reminds me more of street preachers yelling about the end times than of actual science, and that's what bothers me so much. If the evidence backs up the claim, I'll believe it. But since they don't give the evidence in the first place and just insist we must believe because a bunch of people said so, I'm a lot less likely to believe it. It's all about the evidence for me... and as far as I can tell based on their tactics, it's all about the dominance for them until they prove otherwise.

swordofzodd said:
Im a man and I couldn't imagine living in a woman's body, if I did I'd want my body to be male.

You lived the first nine months of your life in a woman's body.

swordofzodd said:
Also, I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure the resources can be spared to try helping trans people, we arn't so starved of rescorces that we have to only focus on the really bad and commen diseases and injuries.

Then you've never been on a public waiting list.

"You need a colonoscopy to find the cause of your rectal bleeding? Okay, just fill out this paperwork and we'll call you when there's an opening available in 3+ months. You're just gonna have to put up with the constant rectal bleeding until then."

Seriously, the only way you are going to get immediate hospital treatment is if you have a fresh injury that may become unrepairable if it isn't treated immediately, or have a shitload of money. All medical procedures that are offered to people who don't need them make it worse for the people who do need them.

BlueDingo said:
Then you've never been on a public waiting list.

"You need a colonoscopy to find the cause of your rectal bleeding? Okay, just fill out this paperwork and we'll call you when there's an opening available in 3+ months. You're just gonna have to put up with the constant rectal bleeding until then."

Seriously, the only way you are going to get immediate hospital treatment is if you have a fresh injury that may become unrepairable if it isn't treated immediately, or have a shitload of money. All medical procedures that are offered to people who don't need them make it worse for the people who do need them.

What counts as needing it? You'd be surprised how many suicides happen as a result of being stuck as something else.

BlueDingo said:
You lived the first nine months of your life in a woman's body.

Then you've never been on a public waiting list.

"You need a colonoscopy to find the cause of your rectal bleeding? Okay, just fill out this paperwork and we'll call you when there's an opening available in 3+ months. You're just gonna have to put up with the constant rectal bleeding until then."

Seriously, the only way you are going to get immediate hospital treatment is if you have a fresh injury that may become unrepairable if it isn't treated immediately, or have a shitload of money. All medical procedures that are offered to people who don't need them make it worse for the people who do need them.

You think that gender reassignment surgery is going to be placed ahead of the queue from surgeries to repair an imminently dangerous issue, you've got another thing coming.

Also, our means of producing the resources necessary for medical care are incredibly advanced compared to back when worrying about medical supplies was, you know, a thing.

But seriously, why do people think that gender reassignment surgery is somehow going to magically kill other people?

treos said:
how many species in nature do you see where the male is the one giving birth? it feels backwards and wrong to me. actually, the whole transgender thing in general is like that for me when it comes to things like the sex change operation and stuff.

on top of that, theres the mess regarding pregnancy.

first, for a trans woman theres all the hormones and whatnot from the sex change operation and stuff. how will that affect the infant and it's developmental process?

second, since they were originally male (physically) and males don't normally give birth to anything, that's likely to lead to even more problems.

all of this because someone wants, but doesn't necessarily need, to physically be the opposite sex they were born as to live their life. and if something DOES go wrong and the kid comes out messed up, they have only themselves to blame for it.

i'd have to side with those who would put need before want on this.

First off, your definition of want, here, is incredibly subjective. Like Zodd said, there are people that go spiralling into depression and kill themselves because they feel like aliens in their own bodies. You and I may not understand what that feels like, but that lack of understanding doesn't give us carte blanche to assume it doesn't exist - especially when gender dysphoria is a recognized psychological issue.

Secondly, with regards to the pregnancy - a fetus is constantly monitored when it's in the womb. As long as the parent is getting prenatal care, if there was a life-threatening problem, the doctors would be able to find it, so your worries about 'how it would affect the baby' based on how 'unnatural' it is aren't really valid. Even if they were, babies are born with all kinds of deformities even from natural birth, so yeah.

Thirdly, it's their body, so why should worries about how it'll affect THEM be any of your concern?

Speaking as a transhumanist, I'm seriously zonked out by people who feel that we're becoming a 'frankenstein' race.

Stupid questions.

LumenSageAlexander said:
You think that gender reassignment surgery is going to be placed ahead of the queue from surgeries to repair an imminently dangerous issue, you've got another thing coming.

Also, our means of producing the resources necessary for medical care are incredibly advanced compared to back when worrying about medical supplies was, you know, a thing.

But seriously, why do people think that gender reassignment surgery is somehow going to magically kill other people?

Because they are trying to rationalize their hatred of The Other. People will easily and happily tell the biggest whoppers that they can think of to convince themselves that they are not the shitty ones.

LoneWolf343 said:
Because they are trying to rationalize their hatred of The Other. People will easily and happily tell the biggest whoppers that they can think of to convince themselves that they are not the shitty ones.

Oh, I know that. But they don't (or at least they're trying not to), so I've got to ask the question to try to force them to confront their answer.

LumenSageAlexander said:
Speaking as a transhumanist, I'm seriously zonked out by people who feel that we're becoming a 'frankenstein' race.

I never understood the idea of hating something unnatural. I have to take medicine that's unnatural every morning or I get too weak to stand up. I wasn't a stillborn because of medicine that could be considered unnatural. In a natural world, I would be considered dead weight due to my hyperactive metabolism, lack of physical strength, various phobias, and aversion to the only thing that could produce offspring. Nature is an abomination.

kamimatsu said:
I never understood the idea of hating something unnatural. I have to take medicine that's unnatural every morning or I get too weak to stand up. I wasn't a stillborn because of medicine that could be considered unnatural. In a natural world, I would be considered dead weight due to my hyperactive metabolism, lack of physical strength, various phobias, and aversion to the only thing that could produce offspring. Nature is an abomination.

Nature is cruel. Part of what makes us human is our ability to leap beyond the limits set for us by nature, which is the product of our ability to decipher and manipulate the world around us. Trying to put arbitrary limits on that ability is against everything we are, and if we hadn't continued to leap forward, we'd still be in a place where lives were being lost for essentially no reason.

I mean, we're still there in a lot of ways. There's still a lot of things that need to change, socially especially. But our ability to be 'unnatural' has given us so much and saved so many lives.

I guess you could say that the desire some people display to set that progress back makes me angry.

BlueDingo said:
"You need a colonoscopy to find the cause of your rectal bleeding? Okay, just fill out this paperwork and we'll call you when there's an opening available in 3+ months. You're just gonna have to put up with the constant rectal bleeding until then."

i feel ya

When people argue in my topic.

InannaEloah said:
It's good to see someone here who appreciates what science is and isn't. With all the BS and political nonsense flying around about this subject it's a refreshing change.

As for my conclusion, the only conclusion I have to date is that I don't know if humans are doing it or not, and I won't believe that we are until it is proven to be so with actual evidence. The alarmism reminds me more of street preachers yelling about the end times than of actual science, and that's what bothers me so much. If the evidence backs up the claim, I'll believe it. But since they don't give the evidence in the first place and just insist we must believe because a bunch of people said so, I'm a lot less likely to believe it. It's all about the evidence for me... and as far as I can tell based on their tactics, it's all about the dominance for them until they prove otherwise.

reminds me of... those who like to use blurry pictures as proof that something exists. you can provide me with as many blurry pictures as you want and run your ranting and raving mouth till your blue in the face but a blurry picture isn't proof of anything.

presenting blurry pictures and pointing out random blurs in said pictures while running your mouth proves nothing except that you might be some paranoid, crazed fool.

heck, just the other night i saw a video on youtube about what looked to be a winged demon...in a very blurry picture. -_- dude thought it might've been a sign of the end times.

i'll just keep waiting till someone goes and provides actual hard evidence before i believe anyone waving around a bunch of blurry pictures. o_O i wonder if they make them blurry on purpose for some reason.

treos said:
reminds me of... those who like to use blurry pictures as proof that something exists. you can provide me with as many blurry pictures as you want and run your ranting and raving mouth till your blue in the face but a blurry picture isn't proof of anything.

presenting blurry pictures and pointing out random blurs in said pictures while running your mouth proves nothing except that you might be some paranoid, crazed fool.

heck, just the other night i saw a video on youtube about what looked to be a winged demon...in a very blurry picture. -_- dude thought it might've been a sign of the end times.

i'll just keep waiting till someone goes and provides actual hard evidence before i believe anyone waving around a bunch of blurry pictures. o_O i wonder if they make them blurry on purpose for some reason.

Apophenia. It's an event where someone recognizes and then learns a pattern that doesn't actually exist. It's a side-effect of being a species capable of learning through conditioning. You can learn something that isn't true because it seems like it would make sense, then selectively forget everything that proves it wrong afterward. While it's the only reason we can learn, it's also the only reason we fuck up so much.

treos said:
reminds me of... those who like to use blurry pictures as proof that something exists. you can provide me with as many blurry pictures as you want and run your ranting and raving mouth till your blue in the face but a blurry picture isn't proof of anything.

presenting blurry pictures and pointing out random blurs in said pictures while running your mouth proves nothing except that you might be some paranoid, crazed fool.

heck, just the other night i saw a video on youtube about what looked to be a winged demon...in a very blurry picture. -_- dude thought it might've been a sign of the end times.

i'll just keep waiting till someone goes and provides actual hard evidence before i believe anyone waving around a bunch of blurry pictures. o_O i wonder if they make them blurry on purpose for some reason.

I assume you're referring to the Reptilian Shapeshifter videos cropping up all over Youtube? Yeah, a bunch of pixelated people in low-resolution videos couldn't possibly be a problem with the camera or with the reception or with the lighting... nonono, they're all a bunch of giant shapeshifting lizards from outer space hellbent on dominating hoomankind.

Don't get me wrong. I do actually believe that such beings exist. But a blurry video with imperfections in the picture isn't evidence for shapeshifting people, it's evidence that something's wrong with the electronics.

Also, have you ever noticed how this "proof" tends to center around famous people? Why not the neighbors' little boy Billy, or the postal worker who came in to sub for the regular guy who got sick last week? Why is it always famous people?

Things that make you go, "hmmmmmmmmm..."

kamimatsu said:
Apophenia. It's an event where someone recognizes and then learns a pattern that doesn't actually exist. It's a side-effect of being a species capable of learning through conditioning. You can learn something that isn't true because it seems like it would make sense, then selectively forget everything that proves it wrong afterward. While it's the only reason we can learn, it's also the only reason we fuck up so much.

Another thing that contributes to this is actually pattern recognition - a trait that helped us to notice predators sneaking up on us in the wild. It's also the same trait that causes us to see Jesus in a pancake and dogs in the clouds.

InannaEloah said:
I assume you're referring to the Reptilian Shapeshifter videos cropping up all over Youtube? Yeah, a bunch of pixelated people in low-resolution videos couldn't possibly be a problem with the camera or with the reception or with the lighting... nonono, they're all a bunch of giant shapeshifting lizards from outer space hellbent on dominating hoomankind.

Don't get me wrong. I do actually believe that such beings exist. But a blurry video with imperfections in the picture isn't evidence for shapeshifting people, it's evidence that something's wrong with the electronics.

Also, have you ever noticed how this "proof" tends to center around famous people? Why not the neighbors' little boy Billy, or the postal worker who came in to sub for the regular guy who got sick last week? Why is it always famous people?

Things that make you go, "hmmmmmmmmm..."

I've always figured, in addition to the fact that it's blurry, if we were specifically being targeted by shapeshifting lizard aliens, wouldn't we be dead by now? They might exist, sure, but if something that powerful wanted us dead, we would have been extinct by now.

kamimatsu said:
I've always figured, in addition to the fact that it's blurry, if we were specifically being targeted by shapeshifting lizard aliens, wouldn't we be dead by now? They might exist, sure, but if something that powerful wanted us dead, we would have been extinct by now.

It's because they don't want us dead. Let's move on to another thing that pisses us off.

HypnoBitch said:
It's because they don't want us dead then.

Or it's possible THEY don't know WE exist!

kamimatsu said:
Or it's possible THEY don't know WE exist!

They do know we exist. They've been on the planet since we first learned to walk on two legs. Let's move on, please.

kamimatsu said:
I've always figured, in addition to the fact that it's blurry, if we were specifically being targeted by shapeshifting lizard aliens, wouldn't we be dead by now? They might exist, sure, but if something that powerful wanted us dead, we would have been extinct by now.

just out of curiosity what makes you think they're powerful? I mean we're mammals, we don't need to lay on a hot rock just to wake up.

Doomguy666 said:
just out of curiosity what makes you think they're powerful? I mean we're mammals, we don't need to lay on a hot rock just to wake up.

They're not that powerful. They're just as vulnerable to a bullet as you and me. They're just good manipulators. They like to be in places of power, such as a CEO or a President of any corporation. Their goal is to manipulate humans through social conflict, making us fight each other. They use religion as one of their weapons. They also like to get people hyped up to make them think their side is the right side so they think less about harming the enemy. It's gone on for centuries, and it's going to keep going.

kamimatsu said:
I've always figured, in addition to the fact that it's blurry, if we were specifically being targeted by shapeshifting lizard aliens, wouldn't we be dead by now? They might exist, sure, but if something that powerful wanted us dead, we would have been extinct by now.

because we have wrestlers wearing sunglasses to keep us safe at night

When the power goes out and I was midway through cooking.

HypnoBitch said:
They're not that powerful. They're just as vulnerable to a bullet as you and me. They're just good manipulators. They like to be in places of power, such as a CEO or a President of any corporation. Their goal is to manipulate humans through social conflict, making us fight each other. They use religion as one of their weapons. They also like to get people hyped up to make them think their side is the right side so they think less about harming the enemy. It's gone on for centuries, and it's going to keep going.

Good manipulators? No wonder I don't see them as a threat. Manipulation and Gaslighting is how most people in my town say hello. If they manipulate people that much, then that just means I don't have to feel bad about doing the same thing if I catch one. It's like when Superman gave his World of Cardboard speech, but with people's emotions instead of their organs.

HypnoBitch said:
What gets you angry? Post anything you'd like. Get it all off your chest in here. No arguing. Just thought this would help with anyone's stress.

I am angry when I meet people who are closed minded to everything.

I get angry when I see anything m/m or f/f on e621, or any porn site. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BRAH!!!

Heteroxon said:
I get angry when I see anything m/m or f/f on e621, or any porn site. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BRAH!!!

Because gay people exist. That's why. Blacklist and move on.