The tag alias #57489 handjob_gesture -> wanking_gesture has been rejected.

Reason: It might be easier for some people to remember since the first thing that comes to mind might be "handjob" or "jacking off" rather than "wanking."

EDIT: The tag alias handjob_gesture -> wanking_gesture (forum #333543) has been rejected by @slyroon.

The last thing we need is more slang. It wouldnt hurt to have an alias but Im not sure thats the direction to take it.

demesejha said:
The last thing we need is more slang. It wouldnt hurt to have an alias but Im not sure thats the direction to take it.

That’s fine, but wanking_gesture already implies suggestive_gesture, so someone will need to move it to whatever the new tag will be. Personally, I don’t care too much what this is called, as long as the name gets the point across. The gesture itself is inherently pretty crude, so a crude name doesn’t seem out of place.

Speaking of slang, though, I really wish we’d replace pussy with vulva already. That one just seems unnecessarily crass. The word is so embedded in our tag structure, though, and so many posts would have to be updated that I feel like that’ll never happen.

wanking is a british english term, we run off yankie english terms.

versperus said:
wanking is a british english term, we run off yankie english terms.

Except when it comes to gray versus grey, apparently.

dogenzaka said:
Reason: It might be easier for some people to remember since the first thing that comes to mind might be "handjob" or "jacking off" rather than "wanking."

The wording of your reason sounds like it should be the reverse of the proposed alias, which I would be more in favor of.

I am also for wanking_gesture -> handjob_gesture

scaliespe said:
That’s fine, but wanking_gesture already implies suggestive_gesture, so someone will need to move it to whatever the new tag will be. Personally, I don’t care too much what this is called, as long as the name gets the point across. The gesture itself is inherently pretty crude, so a crude name doesn’t seem out of place.

Speaking of slang, though, I really wish we’d replace pussy with vulva already. That one just seems unnecessarily crass. The word is so embedded in our tag structure, though, and so many posts would have to be updated that I feel like that’ll never happen.

E621 literally gets mocked from the outside over the vulva thing but I have also made more than one thread over it and qm not the only one. It gets shot down every single time because by the site staff's reasoning somehow "pussy" covers stuff that "vulva" doesnt. Namely the internal parts like the vagina and inner labia. But we tag foreskin as a separate part snd there is no current way to search for "innie" or "outie" labia as they refer to it here with any effectivity because the tags are a fucking nightmare.

Pussy wont be changed. They dont want to change it. No matter how much trouble it causes.

demesejha said:
E621 literally gets mocked from the outside over the vulva thing but I have also made more than one thread over it and qm not the only one. It gets shot down every single time because by the site staff's reasoning somehow "pussy" covers stuff that "vulva" doesnt. Namely the internal parts like the vagina and inner labia. But we tag foreskin as a separate part snd there is no current way to search for "innie" or "outie" labia as they refer to it here with any effectivity because the tags are a fucking nightmare.

Pussy wont be changed. They dont want to change it. No matter how much trouble it causes.

I’ve lately been considering requesting to unalias labia_minora from pussy, and having it imply pussy instead, as searching pussy -cleft_of_venus is a very poor way to find images featuring the inner labia.

In fact, I think I’ll do that right now. It’ll probably get swamped with downvotes though, since it’s so obviously useful and everyone seems to hate obviously useful implications. :p And maybe if it goes over well (unexpected, but still, maybe) I’ll try to suggest renaming the tag to vulva again. I mean, the whole foreskin/uncut/circumcised situation made no sense for a long time, but it was finally changed not too long ago… so maybe this still can be.

demesejha said:
the site staff's reasoning somehow "pussy" covers stuff that "vulva" doesnt. Namely the internal parts like the vagina and inner labia.

Also, this is patently absurd as even Wikipedia defines “vulva” as follows:

Wikipedia says:
The vulva includes the mons pubis (or mons veneris), labia majora, labia minora, clitoris, vestibular bulbs, vulval vestibule, urinary meatus, the vaginal opening, hymen, and Bartholin's and Skene's vestibular glands. The urinary meatus is also included as it opens into the vulval vestibule. Other features of the vulva include the pudendal cleft, sebaceous glands, the urogenital triangle (anterior part of the perineum), and pubic hair. The vulva includes the entrance to the vagina, which leads to the uterus, and provides a double layer of protection for this by the folds of the outer and inner labia.

So, yeah… “vulva” literally includes ALL of it by definition, including the vagina and labia minora.

scaliespe said:
Also, this is patently absurd as even Wikipedia defines “vulva” as follows:
So, yeah… “vulva” literally includes ALL of it by definition, including the vagina and labia minora.

Yes. Ive mentioned this in the threads Ive made on it. The other issues Ive brought up like the foreskin thing and the slur tags got dealt with but this is a sticking point I dont have the energy left to spend debating for hours.

If you make your own thread and start the discussion back up however. I will suport it 100%.

Its the last big issue.

Some threads

https://e621.net/forum_topics/16753
https://e621.net/forum_topics/26549
https://e621.net/forum_topics/24599
https://e621.net/forum_topics/25964
https://e621.net/forum_topics/13495

All of our problems start in this bonkers nonsense thread

https://e621.net/forum_topics/22350

Qnd the mainly juvenile joke responses in this thread that went nowhere

https://e621.net/forum_topics/11737

This has its own set of links
https://e621.net/forum_topics/24683

While were qt it we could revisit the testicles vs scrotum issue because tagging balls is a nightmare for cbt related art.

And for the sheer purpose of this post relating to the topic: handjob_gesture is cumbersome but wanking_gesture is meaningless to anyone outside of the colonies.

Changing a tag that's plain, descriptive English to slang is more or less always a bad idea, if you ask me. And, if handjob_gesture is too technical for someone, they're likely not going to understand "wanking gesture" either.

demesejha said:
Yes. Ive mentioned this in the threads Ive made on it. The other issues Ive brought up like the foreskin thing and the slur tags got dealt with but this is a sticking point I dont have the energy left to spend debating for hours.

If you make your own thread and start the discussion back up however. I will suport it 100%.

Its the last big issue.

Some threads

https://e621.net/forum_topics/16753
https://e621.net/forum_topics/26549
https://e621.net/forum_topics/24599
https://e621.net/forum_topics/25964
https://e621.net/forum_topics/13495

All of our problems start in this bonkers nonsense thread

https://e621.net/forum_topics/22350

Qnd the mainly juvenile joke responses in this thread that went nowhere

https://e621.net/forum_topics/11737

This has its own set of links
https://e621.net/forum_topics/24683

While were qt it we could revisit the testicles vs scrotum issue because tagging balls is a nightmare for cbt related art.

And for the sheer purpose of this post relating to the topic: handjob_gesture is cumbersome but wanking_gesture is meaningless to anyone outside of the colonies.

Ugh… thank you for the links. I read through all of that, and I see that this goes way deeper than I thought.

But of all these these threads, the one thing I haven’t seen is an actual request to change pussy to vulva. This would require a sizable BUR to flip all the current implications/aliases (not to mention renaming things like pussy_juice… which just sounds gross, it should be vaginal_fluid), but at least if I do that then we have two advantages:

• All the work will have already been done (by myself, in this case), so nobody can say “oh but look at all the tags we have to change, too much work“
• We can get an actual vote on the issue to hopefully gauge user support for the change.

I can tell that this issue is going to keep coming up, so hopefully we can put this thing to rest once and for all.

scaliespe said:
Ugh… thank you for the links. I read through all of that, and I see that this goes way deeper than I thought.

But of all these these threads, the one thing I haven’t seen is an actual request to change pussy to vulva. This would require a sizable BUR to flip all the current implications/aliases (not to mention renaming things like pussy_juice… which just sounds gross, it should be vaginal_fluid), but at least if I do that then we have two advantages:

• All the work will have already been done (by myself, in this case), so nobody can say “oh but look at all the tags we have to change, too much work“
• We can get an actual vote on the issue to hopefully gauge user support for the change.

I can tell that this issue is going to keep coming up, so hopefully we can put this thing to rest once and for all.

A BUR like that would get an instant thumbs up from me - I already wrote why here, and for most of the tag flips, the real hard work would merely be copying and pasting the wiki articles over, maybe rewriting some things here and there. "Pussy" has so many problems, there's not a single benefit to having it be the name for external female genitalia over the neutral toned, anatomically correct "vulva". _{(and WHY have such a gross sounding tag name like "pussy_juice"? Imagine if cum was tagged something like "cock_cream" or "baby_gravy"? Y u c k.\)}

• We can get an actual vote on the issue to hopefully gauge user support for the change.

I think flipping would be a very popular move.

The tag alias handjob_gesture -> wanking_gesture (forum #333543) has been rejected by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6782 is active.

remove alias jerking_off_hand_motion (0) -> wanking_gesture (4)
remove implication wanking_gesture (4) -> suggestive_gesture (2572)

Reason: Followup:
alias wanking_gesture -> handjob_gesture
alias jerking_off_hand_motion -> handjob_gesture
imply handjob_gesture -> suggestive_gesture
imply handjob_gesture -> hand_gesture

EDIT: The bulk update request #6782 (forum #392637) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6782 (forum #392637) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6800 is active.

create alias wanking_gesture (4) -> handjob_gesture (240)
create alias jerking_off_hand_motion (0) -> handjob_gesture (240)
create implication handjob_gesture (240) -> suggestive_gesture (2572)
create implication handjob_gesture (240) -> hand_gesture (52134)

Reason: Followup

EDIT: The bulk update request #6800 (forum #392788) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6800 (forum #392788) has been approved by @slyroon.