Topic: [REJECTED] Using Fleece instead of Coat

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #4556 has been rejected.

remove alias fleece (0) -> wool_(disambiguation) (6)
change category fleece (0) -> general
mass update coat -> fleece
remove implication coat (21074) -> topwear (541685)
change category coat (21074) -> invalid
mass update red_coat -> red_fleece
remove implication red_coat (400) -> coat (21074)
change category red_coat (400) -> invalid
mass update winter_coat -> winter_pelt
change category winter_coat (573) -> invalid
mass update summer_coat -> summer_pelt
change category summer_coat (9) -> invalid
mass update green_coat -> green_fleece
remove implication green_coat (240) -> coat (21074)
change category green_coat (240) -> invalid
mass update orange_coat -> orange_fleece
remove implication orange_coat (35) -> coat (21074)
change category orange_coat (35) -> invalid
mass update yellow_coat -> yellow_fleece
remove implication yellow_coat (97) -> coat (21074)
change category yellow_coat (97) -> invalid
mass update purple_coat -> purple_fleece
remove implication purple_coat (107) -> coat (21074)
change category purple_coat (107) -> invalid
mass update black_coat -> black_fleece

Reason: https://e621.net/forum_topics/38084
https://e621.net/forum_topics/36429
Plus, a significant amount of mistagging under the *_coat tags.

The intention of this bur is to redefine a group of tags, so that they are unambiguous and unlikely to cause mistaggings and tag wars.

I have kept some of the tags as they are, because, in this scenario, there are no other word to describe these other than coat. The only exception being leather_coat which could use leather_sweater instead, but I think leather_coat is more elegant and is unambiguous enough as to not be a problem, not like the other tags.

A fleece is a sort of coat. It is warmer than a jacket and as a tag that has seen almost no use before it would be perfect to transfer the posts to. It is much smaller in scope too, a fleece is either a piece of warm clothing (a coat, basically) or thick layers of wool from sheeps, the tag is much less likely to be used to tag the latter given that there are *_wool-related tags already in use which makes fleece redundant for that purpose anyway.

According to the Merriam Webster, a coat is:

1
a: an outer garment worn on the upper body and varying in length and style according to fashion and use
b: something resembling a coat
2: the external growth on an animal
3: a layer of one substance covering another

...and a fleece is:

1
a: the coat of wool covering a wool-bearing animal (such as a sheep)
b: the wool obtained from a sheep at one shearing
2
a: any of various soft or woolly coverings
b: a soft bulky deep-piled knitted or woven fabric used chiefly for clothing

Most traditional coats are made of cotton or wool, so while not completely synonymous, they are extremely similar in meaning, this would be like saying "violet and purple aren't the same color", sure they are not if you wanna be pedantic about it, but that doesn't matter since the differences are near nonexistent. It would be like a day and day, but 1 hour later comparison. I hope that this bur will pass, so all the bickering about winter coats stop and the site has a more effective way to tell animal pelts from warm clothing apart to avoid mistagging, tag wars and arguments like the linked topic.

If everything goes right, I will make a followup bur to aloas the *_coat-related tags to coat_(disambiguation). Will also do implicate tailcoat -> fleece.

PS: Some of these posts under those tags must manually be updated to *_pelt or *_fleece before approving this bur.

EDIT: The bulk update request #4556 (forum #363085) has been rejected by @slyroon.

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The bulk update request #4557 has been rejected.

remove implication black_coat (611) -> coat (21074)
change category black_coat (611) -> invalid
mass update blue_coat -> blue_fleece
remove implication blue_coat (397) -> coat (21074)
change category blue_coat (397) -> invalid
mass update grey_coat -> grey_fleece
remove implication grey_coat (143) -> coat (21074)
change category grey_coat (143) -> invalid
mass update pink_coat -> pink_fleece
remove implication pink_coat (52) -> coat (21074)
change category pink_coat (52) -> invalid
mass update brown_coat -> brown_fleece
remove implication brown_coat (330) -> coat (21074)
change category brown_coat (330) -> invalid
mass update white_coat -> white_fleece
remove implication white_coat (605) -> coat (21074)
change category white_coat (605) -> invalid
mass update tan_coat -> tan_fleece
remove implication tan_coat (44) -> coat (21074)
change category tan_coat (44) -> invalid
mass update pride_color_coat -> pride_color_fleece
remove implication pride_color_coat (1) -> coat (21074)
change category pride_color_coat (1) -> invalid
mass update multicolored_coat -> multicolored_fleece
remove implication multicolored_coat (85) -> coat (21074)

Reason: Part 2

EDIT: The bulk update request #4557 (forum #363086) has been rejected by @slyroon.

Updated by auto moderator

The bulk update request #4558 has been rejected.

change category multicolored_coat (85) -> invalid
remove implication lab_coat (6463) -> coat (21074)
create alias lab_coat (6463) -> lab_uniform (0)
create implication lab_uniform (0) -> uniform (56567)
mass update text_on_coat -> text_on_fleece
remove implication text_on_coat (4) -> coat (21074)
change category text_on_coat (4) -> invalid
remove implication leather_coat (22) -> coat (21074)
create implication leather_coat (22) -> sweater (37660)
remove implication raincoat (594) -> coat (21074)
create implication raincoat (594) -> rubber_clothing (10859)
remove implication tailcoat (234) -> coat (21074)
remove implication trenchcoat (1944) -> coat (21074)
create implication trenchcoat (1944) -> uniform (56567)
mass update open_coat -> open_fleece
remove implication open_coat (1010) -> coat (21074)
change category open_coat (1010) -> invalid
mass update monotone_coat -> monotone_fleece
remove implication monotone_coat (22) -> coat (21074)
change category monotone_coat (22) -> invalid
mass update holding_coat -> holding_fleece
remove implication holding_coat (0) -> coat (21074)
change category holding_coat (0) -> invalid
mass update coat_only -> fleece_only

Reason: Part 3

EDIT: The bulk update request #4558 (forum #363087) has been rejected by @slyroon.

Updated by auto moderator

The bulk update request #4559 has been rejected.

remove implication coat_only (205) -> coat (21074)
change category coat_only (205) -> invalid
mass update print_coat -> print_fleece
remove implication print_coat (8) -> coat (21074)
remove implication print_coat (8) -> print_topwear (2893)
change category print_coat (8) -> invalid
create implication winter_pelt (135) -> fur (1729557)
create implication summer_pelt (34) -> fur (1729557)

Reason: The remainder will be added on a subsequent bur,

imply winter_fleece -> fleece
implicate fleece -> topwear
imply red_fleece -> fleece
imply green_fleece -> fleece
imply blue_fleece -> fleece
imply orange_fleece -> fleece
imply yellow_fleece -> fleece
imply pink_fleece -> fleece
imply purple_fleece -> fleece
imply brown_fleece -> fleece
imply tan_fleece -> fleece
imply white_fleece -> fleece
imply grey_fleece -> fleece
imply black_fleece -> fleece
imply pride_color_fleece -> fleece
imply multicolored_fleece -> fleece
imply monotone_fleece -> fleece
imply open_fleece -> fleece
imply fleece_only -> fleece
imply holding_fleece -> fleece
imply print_fleece -> fleece

EDIT: The bulk update request #4559 (forum #363088) has been rejected by @slyroon.

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Watsit

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Fleece is more associated with wool than jackets. I've never heard anyone use "fleece" as an alternative to a jacket, but instead as an alternative to wool (a "fleece jacket" being a wool jacket, for instance). At best, the first description, "the coat of wool covering a wool-bearing animal (such as a sheep)" puts it on the same level of ambiguity as "coat", though I'd argue it's more clearly understood as meaning fur/wool rather than a jacket.

Most coats are not fleeces, and most fleeces (even outside of the biological meaning) are not coats.

I've seen fleece refer to:
- the fluffy parts on sheep, while it is still on the sheep. Used the same way we'd talk about hair or fur.
- unspun wool used by fiber artists in general, in any amount
- sheered wool, in some contexts "fleece" is used to refer to the whole connected clump from one sheering of one sheep = a whole fleece
- wool that was kept on the hide and tanned that way to make a blanket or rug is often called "a fleece"
- wool in general (although this is less common if it has been spun into thread, yarn or woven into fabric since it tends to be called by that and 'wool' more often after it is no longer the raw fluffy stuff)

The other use I have sometimes seen is for "polar fleece", which is a man-made fabric that is soft and warm but otherwise has almost no resemblance to sheep fleece. Although I have seen a few less common versions which have a fluffier napped texture as a novelty. The most common version is thinner and flat, as a fabric.

and inspired by the polar fleece fabric, I have seen some limited and regional use of:
- sometimes blankets made from polar fleece can be called "a fleece" (more common)
- sometimes sweaters or light jackets made out of polar fleece can be called "a fleece" (less common or possibly more regional/dialect)

Not to mention that "coat" includes a variety of heavier and bulkier styles which would never be made from polar fleece and would never be called a "fleece" unless it was purely a local dialect decision. It is certainly not widespread or common to use "fleece" as the name for puffy ski jackets or heavy overcoats or trenchcoats or winter coats, etc etc.

So I don't see this working out well.

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