You've mentioned the impetus for the change was driven by the old site's backend being an arcane mess, which I can understand, but that means that you can't call it a day with the current site iteration. I'm expecting a lot of changes and features from the old site to return in the coming months.

Unrelated, I would have made a comment about how horribly situational a new feature like the "Copy Notes" option is, but I have already made use of and benefited from the function today. Seriously, what are the odds?

A few things of note:

The blocky design isn't aesthetically pleasing at all. It seems like a major downgrade. Everything just takes up too much space.

The profile page having the favorites and uploads listed vertically is just really bad design. I have to scroll to see anything, and there's now a massive block of wasted space taking up about 60% of the page. Awful layout design.

When browsing my comments or the comments mentioning me, there's no longer a score shown with the comment, and the image doesn't show number of total comments anymore. I used to look at that to see if more people had replied to an image, and now that helpful feature is gone

The purple text on blue background for pools is a major strain on the eyes. It physically hurts to look at. People with colorblindness (I have partial colorblindness) are going to feel it the worst.

On a related note, why is the parent/child post not shown at the top-left of a submission page anymore? I have to go down to the description, find the tiny little link that says "This post has a parent/child (learn more) >> show" and click on the tiny "show" text just to see the related post. Terrible decision.

Poster's name not included on the submission page now? We have to go into tag history just to find out who posted something? Why?

No open comment box at the bottom of a submission is also a flaw. Why do I need to click on "Post comment" to post a comment? A large open text box was much easier than having to click on a small string of text.

There are other flaws as well, but this is all I feel is worth typing out at this point.

Overall, the new appearance is just terrible, in my opinion. You say the old layout couldn't be reused with the new code. Okay, so why launch the new site if you admit it isn't in a finished state? Claiming the open beta had ample warning isn't sufficient. I never saw anything about it. Clean it up and make it presentable before launching it with no way for users to revert back to a design that worked flawlessly and was aesthetically pleasing.

notmenotyou said:
The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

No offense, but you guys are terrible on this. 5 months is nowhere near enough time for something this major, and even if it were it definitely wasn't widely announced like you made it out to be. I get it that sometimes these changes just have to happen, but you definitely could've handled better. Hopefully, it'll look better in the end, but right now the site does look like 2000's internet.

My main gripe is that the new animated icon is way too subtle and makes no differentiation between webm and gifs. The rest was already mentioned.

dieselwzl said:
A few things of note:

The blocky design isn't aesthetically pleasing at all. It seems like a major downgrade. Everything just takes up too much space.

The profile page having the favorites and uploads listed vertically is just really bad design. I have to scroll to see anything, and there's now a massive block of wasted space taking up about 60% of the page. Awful layout design.

When browsing my comments or the comments mentioning me, there's no longer a score shown with the comment, and the image doesn't show number of total comments anymore. I used to look at that to see if more people had replied to an image, and now that helpful feature is gone

The purple text on blue background for pools is a major strain on the eyes. It physically hurts to look at. People with colorblindness (I have partial colorblindness) are going to feel it the worst.

On a related note, why is the parent/child post not shown at the top-left of a submission page anymore? I have to go down to the description, find the tiny little link that says "This post has a parent/child (learn more) >> show" and click on the tiny "show" text just to see the related post. Terrible decision.

Poster's name not included on the submission page now? We have to go into tag history just to find out who posted something? Why?

No open comment box at the bottom of a submission is also a flaw. Why do I need to click on "Post comment" to post a comment? A large open text box was much easier than having to click on a small string of text.

There are other flaws as well, but this is all I feel is worth typing out at this point.

Overall, the new appearance is just terrible, in my opinion. You say the old layout couldn't be reused with the new code. Okay, so why launch the new site if you admit it isn't in a finished state? Claiming the open beta had ample warning isn't sufficient. I never saw anything about it. Clean it up and make it presentable before launching it with no way for users to revert back to a design that worked flawlessly and was aesthetically pleasing.

Actually, I just remembered another one that annoys me.

When doing certain searches, I like to disable my blacklist (or at least certain parts of it) temporarily to see things that are borderline for me (hit and miss subjects that I like in specific circumstances). Used to be, that was page-specific and refreshing or looking at another page would reset it to hidden. Now? It's disabled permanently site-wide until I re-enable it, meaning browsing different pages/searches in different tabs will result in seeing things I don't want to see. This may be a niche complaint, but still, the old way was better. Also, the blacklisted tags being shown all the time is a poor decision compared to the hidden drop-down that it used to be.

I liked the old layout this new layout is a bloody fucking unusable piece of shit garbage. Who fuck would do without backing up the old coding so people could fucking switch to the old coding instead of this fucking pile of fucking shit you pile of dev shits call new design. Next time don't take a page out of EA's playbook call it finished before it really is you fucking dumb-ass moronic devs!

My blacklist seems to no longer work at all. I have "3d_(artwork)" blacklisted but the very first result for "order:score date:week" has that tagged.

Edit: I even tested blacklisting "rating:explicit" and that didn't work either so it's 100% not working.

Also, a HUGE improvement UI-wise would be to restore some of the padding around the page. Everything smushed up to the sides doesn't look very good.

Edit 2: Editing the blacklist so everything is on its own line fixed it. That's still shitty for folks who come to the new design, don't know that they have to reformat their blacklist, and get hit with a bunch of stuff they never want to see. That shouldn't happen.

Other than the blacklist thing and the padding being weird, the design is close enough to the original that it's easy to adapt to. Kudos for making it work with the new codebase.

Personally, as a weekly user, I had no idea that there was a new beta or I could help out. I kept an eye on the news tab, but only skimmed the forums every once in a while. Sorry for not helping with feedback for the beta, I just didnt know it existed.

Im also generaly confused about what happened. From what I can gather, E6 had to transition to some different type of functionality that required recoding which is causeing the formating mess. If someone could clear up why the change was needed that would help out a lot.

Im on mobile, and this new layout it bbbbaaaaaaadddddd, but I willing to stick it out and hold back my complaints. Its different, but Ive always praised e6 (to myself lol) for its amazing interface and unique tools such as the search bar staying full of what you had even when going back a page. This is still the best site for ANY adult styled content.

Dont know how to wrap this up... just my thoughts.

dorkyyeen said:
I'm always consistently surprised by all these website design downgrades going out of their way to fix what isn't broken. I'm sure there's a reason for it, but hot damn is it annoying to search for stuff now.

yeah when FA and deviant art did his shit i put it back to the old version. what sucks is that the new version will probably never get as good as the old one and will be shoved onto us with no way back. this shit happened with youtube and we just had to deal with it. this seems to be a bit more faithful to the old version compared to FA ,which wants to be deviant art now, so there is still hope that this new version will not end up looking completely different.

notmenotyou said:
Because the codebase was done for a few months now and nobody wanted to provide additional feedback on the layout during the beta.
Like, we gave ample notice and options for people to chime in. Both threads were in the stickies for ages.

Hey uh...not tryna be that guy but I never saw the Beta or anything about it.

One thing I hate is that my favorites are now sorted by the release date of the picture, not in which order I favorited, Now if I favorite a 5 months old pic, I have to scroll through my favorites' list (which has 73 pages) to find it, making my life hell.

This new design is really bad, and you mods need to stop blaming the userbase for it. You decided to push out the update before it was finished, you decided to update the site in the first place. I visit fairly frequently and never heard about this update, sticking something in the forums is not nearly enough to get the word out.

notmenotyou said:
The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

It's like only a SMALL fraction of your users look at the forum :O

Probably should have been up at the top, like news

notmenotyou said:
Because the codebase was done for a few months now and nobody wanted to provide additional feedback on the layout during the beta.
Like, we gave ample notice and options for people to chime in. Both threads were in the stickies for ages.

notmenotyou said:
Because the codebase was done for a few months now and nobody wanted to provide additional feedback on the layout during the beta.
Like, we gave ample notice and options for people to chime in. Both threads were in the stickies for ages.

There was a beta?

notmenotyou said:

How do I disable the mobile view?

There are multiple ways. The quickest (which also works without an account) is to scroll down to the bottom of the page and click "Disable mobile mode support".
The other option is to disable it in your (advanced) account settings, where it's called "Responsive Mode". Simply go to settings, click "Advanced", then disable responsive mode. Be sure to check the other settings as well, there's a few new items there that are pretty self explanatory.

How do I disable the gestures?

Second verse same as the first, in your account settings under advanced.

How do I get the old themes back?

You don't. Those are no longer compatible with the new site and had to be axed. Though we're probably bringing them back one by one as time goes on. Right now they're on the bottom of the list of things that need doing.

The current layout is terrible.

It will be improved and polished as time goes on. Getting the new codebase up and running had a higher priority than making it look pretty.

Change it back.

No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

While updates aren't inherently bad, this is really gross. E621 had a different layout to most "booru" websites, but now it just looks like a recolored version of a generic booru website. For example, E621 now just looks like a recolored version of https://safebooru.org/ . The ability to change back to the old theme would be highly appreciated, especially without logging in. While it's not too much of a hassle, I don't really desire logging in every time I go to this site. There are many changes I really just don't approve of, and would highly push for some form of returning to the old style that doesn't require me to log in. Derpibooru has some form of this feature (or did last time of me using the site) with site filters. You'd have to log in to save the changes, but you could still use filters without logging in, which was heavily appreciated. At the very least, let me use the old site. That's honestly all I ask. Furaffinity lets you switch to the old theme, while still letting you use the new theme, which is completely fine.

Ah yes, the new website is quite the abomination, just like when FA updated their page design, but at least FA had a "classic mode" option that reverted the website to it's old and more user-friendly state. E621 was like "oH nO gUyS, hAvInG a ClAsSiC mOdE iS tOo InTeLlIgEnT"

But yeah, the new layout sucks compared to the old one.

anonstuffshitt said:
While updates aren't inherently bad, this is really gross. E621 had a different layout to most "booru" websites, but now it just looks like a recolored version of a generic booru website. For example, E621 now just looks like a recolored version of https://safebooru.org/ . The ability to change back to the old theme would be highly appreciated, especially without logging in. While it's not too much of a hassle, I don't really desire logging in every time I go to this site. There are many changes I really just don't approve of, and would highly push for some form of returning to the old style that doesn't require me to log in. Derpibooru has some form of this feature (or did last time of me using the site) with site filters. You'd have to log in to save the changes, but you could still use filters without logging in, which was heavily appreciated. At the very least, let me use the old site. That's honestly all I ask. Furaffinity lets you switch to the old theme, while still letting you use the new theme, which is completely fine.

To be fair though, the new tags searching system is better. Haha.

Rather than complain, I'd like to just make a small suggestion. Perhaps when scrolling through your search results using the new banner addition, it centers your page scroll to cut off the top options (although not the add, keep the sight running obviously,) for more convenient viewing?

notmenotyou said:
Because the codebase was done for a few months now and nobody wanted to provide additional feedback on the layout during the beta.
Like, we gave ample notice and options for people to chime in. Both threads were in the stickies for ages.

not a single person in my household knew about this beta lmao

Probably should have like, put it on the parts of the site people actually use.

Why is auto blacklist a thing?

Aside: can we get the essix pre-screen thing back? it was nice to not be immediately dumped into the front page.

OH GOD

CHANGE

Did every Graphic Designer die out in the last decade? What is with this garbage?

Im fine with new code and all but I like the old appearance. It was like that for years and now its just looks like a website made in the early 2000's

Why are themes gone too??? I liked my snow

Nah but really, I like it. I like the design, I like the autocomplete, and thank you for giving us the option to turn off the mobile mode. It cut off a bit on my browser.

safetycop said:
Why are themes gone too??? I liked my snow

You read the post, the code didn't work out. That's how it is sometimes.

My only negative to add to this at the moment is that I can't favorite anything. The menu option to just click-n-done or going onto the post itself doesn't work for me at all.

Everything else is fine, but that's what's grinding my gears at the moment.

mmmfurries said:
Did every Graphic Designer die out in the last decade? What is with this garbage?

TBH, they kind of didn't have a choice at this point. They switched over and had to re-implement the things that broke. Sadly, it seems that the Beta wasn't very aggressive at getting people to side-by-side the site versions, which would have showed this issues without feeling like there's a lot of pressure from the users to Fix It Now(!).

The fact that sites run on Wix infrastructure (DeviantArt) and with fads that remind me of the implement-your-site-entirely-in-Flash or 'plugins needed' days is a different issue, entirely. We had this nightmare in the 1990's and early 200x years, and I thought it was dead, dead, dead. Long live artistic fads overwriting utilitarian designs. :P BTW, we all know why Yahoo(no !) failed. They made their services take more effort to use, in order to inflate 'time on screen', and then drove users to using literally anything else that didn't try make everything as awkward and slow as possible. Well that, and their search and mail services sucked, heh.

I like it, its about damn time for an update, progress and keeping up with the times is how you dont get left behind. I am a bit annoyed that my mobile app got borked by the api change though it will be fixed in time.

Gotta say, not a fan of this new layout. Maybe that's just me Luddite genes reacting to change, but I thought my new adblocker broke the site for me. I'll get used to it Iiii gueeeesssss, but getting tossed to the front page when I sign in to fave the newest honeys raises my blood pressure a touch.

longdongjohnny said:
My only negative to add to this at the moment is that I can't favorite anything. The menu option to just click-n-done or going onto the post itself doesn't work for me at all.

Everything else is fine, but that's what's grinding my gears at the moment.

Hmm.
Works for me (firefox 73 on Arch Linux). Fav appears to process and it then appears in my listed favs.

Providing some platform (browser, OS, hardware) details would probably help admins to sort your problem out.

I'm intrigued to how the new layout will turn out as time goes on. But it would be wise to use parallel or phased installation of new designs and layout. There's a lot of reasons as to why direct installation is not a viable idea in most case.
Still, can't wait for the improvements.

I see many people saying that they're active around the site and still hadn't heard of a beta for the redesign.
They pulled a Steam Library and shoved out something that was unfinished and forcing everyone to use the new unfinished layout. Steam library was at least more widespread about come try the beta, but then one day out of nowhere it changed something people loved into something people hated. It launched unfinished and buggy. (also see: Warcraft III Reforged)
If it's this bad after 5 months, then it may have needed another 5 months to make it work. Don't ship broken products, pretty sure there was no deadline either.
At least they've been trying to fix it over the past couple hours, but could use many more conveniences, such as having +fav and score voting together, and having next/previous on the sides or also at the bottom for easier navigation.

As long as you guys fix the blacklist so it accepts more than two tags at a time and allow me to blacklist low scores, I'm fine wit hit. Keep up the good work guys, don't stress.

Literally why? What was wrong with the site before? Why do people think they need to come in with new ideas and update shit that doesn't need to be updated?

notmenotyou said:
Because the codebase was done for a few months now and nobody wanted to provide additional feedback on the layout during the beta.
Like, we gave ample notice and options for people to chime in. Both threads were in the stickies for ages.

You say that like this isn't a porn site that people go on to jerk off and then leave. Not really a "community" that checks for beta codebases.

As someone who has been purely a wander-through on a daily basis for the last 4 or 5 years, there's only a few things i can say that do annoy me of this new version.
1. I had to actually get an account now to change the blacklist which makes having the non-login blacklist option sort of pointless.
2. The weird different version for mobile is atrocious but thankfully that part can be changed. (Though I was admittedly worried before finding that out) hopefully more updates over time will help ease some people's more severe dislike of this new layout. This site has been somewhat of a gold standard for what an adult (and more specifically furry) art post site should be in most regards. As long as the spirit remains the same, a slightly different face is acceptable.

I haven't used the frontend much, but the API's massive breaking changes are uh... kinda unwelcome and feel unnecessary and kinda... iffy, but then I'm probably in the minority for having too much automation built onto this.

And the documentation isn't really there at all for this. :/ Hope that the functionality either returns or is properly documented soon.

Either way, wish y'all a decent rewrite and hope it's worth it.

notmenotyou said:

Change it back.

No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

"But the plans were on display . . ."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a torch."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard."

size_matters said:
I'm not going to complain too much about the change, because I know I'll get used to it in time, but I'll echo others in saying that I miss the page with the search bar and mascots. I'm sure the devs just saw it as an unnecessary step that most people hurried past, but I vastly prefer it to being greeted with a bunch of random uploads I didn't search for.

QFT! Much prefer having the extra barrier to viewing content I might not want to see.

Curious as to the logic of removing the uploader name on posts since I saw it was listed as an intentional change - I've found quite a few users who post or favorite content I like through that. I understand if there's a privacy concern, but I still wish there was an option to display the uploader publicly.

Also miss the ability to view favs by fav date, but that's understandable if it's linked to saving space.

Is there some other thread where we should be posting feedback btw? Doesn't seem to be any other dedicated sticky for sitewide non-theme feedback

Is the random button going to be added back? I know there is a link for random on the left hand side of posts, but it only works on the posts page. You can't browse from one random page to the next without going back to the posts screen. The r shortcut key has the same problem, it only works from the posts page.

Will the sort order of sets be fixed soon? I used to have it sorted by most recently added. Now I don't understand how its sorted now.

I've never once been to the forum prior to just now and am on this site multiple times per week, so if there was a beta, then it was poorly advertised. A lot of people are here for yiff and won't care for the forum until something like this happens, myself included.

And why was the whole place even changed? I never once had a complaint about the way it was all designed other than really massive images (10k10k+) failing to work on my phone. Everything here was flawless as it was--if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Change it back.

No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.
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I've been here for months and the only warning I got was that There was a fake facebook page back in july and something about futa tags being changed. The reason no one commented on the beta was poor communication from the staff running this website. You can't blame the users for not giving feedback to something hidden away.

You can't hide milk in the basement and be mad when no one drinks it before it expires.

"hidden away" as a pinned post on the front page of the forum?

While there has probably been some degree of miscalculation about how to get the beta site exposure, a pinned post on the front page of the forum is not 'hidden away'.

i am so glad you now auto-blacklist cub art on the front page.

if i were to add a suggestion, why not make the front page "order:score date:week" so that people that get the link from somewhere on the internet visit the site and don't get a face full of heavy kink art? Personally, I love kink shit (and the kinkier the better) but if i were a fresh furry that found this site from a furry_irl post or on a discord board, i'd be turned off from visiting the site in the future if the first thing i saw was a fresh post by nezumi or longblueclaw

also, fullplaying videos kills my cursor. like listerally, i cant see my cursor when i zoom out of a video, and the effect stays even when i switch screens or tabs

Is there a single good reason why you now are forced to have an account and stay logged in at all times in order to have full access to the website and see all the posts?

The wildcard removal for unregistered users was already an awful move, but I maybe can understand if it generated huge server costs somehow, but I really do not see the point of forcing people to be logged in to have access to tags that were completely arbitrarily blacklisted by force.
I usually browse e621 in private mode because I'm browsing on mobile and I don't want to have an e621 link appearing in my history every time I type an "e" in the search bar, nor do I want to delete all my browsing history. I'm not even into the censored tags, but this is just a ridiculous thing to do. Some artists spent time working on those pictures, and they are denied exposure to unregistered users, which is objectively unfair.

If your argument is "It's to protect the users from experiencing PTSD by seeing a picture", then there's a few hundred tags missing.
It also doesn't make sense in the sense that you have to be 18+ to use this website, and by that age, one shouldn't be sheltered against their will, it feels like an insult to one's maturity.

Finally, I'll voice it because I've seen it done on other websites; I dislike the forced account creation/use to be able to use the website features (or in that case, disable them), because it can easily lead to a lot of features locked behind a paid premium account.
I wouldn't be surprised if, in the future, a user would need to pay to search 3+ tags or use the wildcard.

How do I get the old themes back?

You don't. Those are no longer compatible with the new site and had to be axed. Though we're probably bringing them back one by one as time goes on. Right now they're on the bottom of the list of things that need doing.

The current layout is terrible.

It will be improved and polished as time goes on. Getting the new codebase up and running had a higher priority than making it look pretty.

Change it back.

No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

Ok, no.

I'm sorry, but no.

You can't make such a drastic, uncalled, unwanted, unneeded change to the website that objectively made it worse, then write these pissant, passive-aggressive FAQ responses and just expect everything to be perfectly fine. It doesn't work like that.

The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

I've been using this website on a near daily basis for the last five months. In fact, I've been using it regularly for the past five years and counting. I kept coming back to this website for its sleek look, its easy-to-use interface, and the fact that finding pictures of what I wanted was easy. I even often wished every website had a design like the one you guys had. I loved it so much I decided to start uploading pictures and editing tags and creating pools for pictures. Just trying to make this website even better in my own small way.

Want to know when I found out you guys were looking for feedback? About 30 fucking minutes ago, when I went "What the fuck happened? Why does e621 look like this now?"

Usually, when you want to advertise something, you put it where people will, you know, see it. The best place to advertise something big and site-changing that I can think of would've been the home page (which doesn't exist anymore, how fun!). It wouldn't have taken you too long! Just a few small lines of code on the page to write, in nice big letters "We're thinking of changing this website's look! Check out the beta here, and give us your feedback here!" That way, you might have actually gotten feedback from a lot of people, and found out that a lot of people hate it. Literally none of my roleplaying friends like the new look. None. Not a one.

No, instead, you guys decide to put the fact you want feedback somewhere that 95% of your user base don't even look at, let alone read, and then turn around and blame us for not giving you any feedback.

It will be improved and polished as time goes on. Getting the new codebase up and running had a higher priority than making it look pretty.

Oh cool, I didn't know this website was owned by Bethesda.

Why is this a thing? Why do companies and websites rush out half-finished, poorly working products out on their user base with plans to fix it later down the line? Why not just take the time to make sure it all runs smoothly and looks nice before forcing it down everyone's throats? Or better yet, how about NOT forcing it down everyone's throats? Why axe the old themes? Why give this version of the website with no option to go back to a previous version?

You realize your website was literally unusable on mobile until I turned off mobile mode, right? Everything was a cluttered mess with comments overlapping on the picture. And even on my desktop, everything is blocky and weird, and the design is literally a step back from how it looked less than 24 hours ago.

That's not even mentioning all the downgrades. No more cache for the search bar means that I now have to type out every single tag by hand no matter how many times I searched for it. No home page with the fun mascots means you just get all this porn jarringly thrown in your face, and the fact you see the most recent uploads means you might instantly see tags you hate. Honestly I could go on with the downgrades but I'd just be repeating what everyone already wrote down before me.

TL;DR IF IT AIN'T BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT.

notmenotyou said:

The current layout is terrible.

It will be improved and polished as time goes on. Getting the new codebase up and running had a higher priority than making it look pretty.

Change it back.

No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

Right off the bat. This is mainly for constructive criticism. Please don't be butthurt over this.

1. As someone who regularly visits the site, I had received 0 notifications about a beta. And to make sure, I looked back at cached versions using the way back machine. There's was nothing obviously there. You had a home page. Instead, the announcement was in the search bar. You could have put it in big bold letters under the search bar. And being blunt, I had issues returning to this location. The moment I went off to actually check the site out, the news was gone and I had to go through the forums. Why? That makes no sense. Take F-list for example. It actually has a blurb for "news". Site updates. Right on the home screen, that way people know what's going on.

Let me be blunt here. The mass majority of this site probably doesn't come here for it's forum section. It's an image hosting site. You could axe the forums and it'd likely go almost unnoticed. You could at least post updates to the front page which... for some reason it's been decided that shouldn't be a thing anymore when that'd be the best place to be like. "Hey! Shit's going to happen. Maintenance. Ect." I don't mean to be harsh here, but c'mon, this is obvious.

2. If your team thought it looked fine, then I don't have any issues with how it looks, fine. However, if your team acknowledged that it didn't look good and you pushed the changes anyway? No way. Saying you didn't get enough user feedback isn't an excuse for pushing changes. If you're not getting enough feedback, you're likely not promoting it correctly. Which loops back to the home page issue.

3. Aaaand most importantly... *achem*

Where are the instructions on how to use new features, hmm?

Seriously! That's the post's title, and I see exactly 0 instructions on how to use new features. Just how to disable features. I don't even know what's new that isn't visual beyond the fact that tags now show up when I type. How about an actual recap of what changed, that way everyone wouldn't be up and arms about the poor redesign.

In summation: This has been handled in about as a poor way as possible. The promotion of the beta wasn't done well enough, the features and reasons for the upgrade were completely missing in this post, it was decided to go through with the change despite that you already had an inkling that the design changes were bad, there are features that actually don't work, from what I'm reading and experiencing (unable to view gifs without seeing seeing the unscaled version, for example), and you blame it on us for not telling you we dislike the design? I only say this so you guys can get better on it, but this is a major example of dropping the ball.

wtflol3657 said:
Ok, no.

I'm sorry, but no.

You can't make such a drastic, uncalled, unwanted, unneeded change to the website that objectively made it worse, then write these pissant, passive-aggressive FAQ responses and just expect everything to be perfectly fine. It doesn't work like that.

I've been using this website on a near daily basis for the last five months. In fact, I've been using it regularly for the past five years and counting. I kept coming back to this website for its sleek look, its easy-to-use interface, and the fact that finding pictures of what I wanted was easy. I even often wished every website had a design like the one you guys had. I loved it so much I decided to start uploading pictures and editing tags and creating pools for pictures. Just trying to make this website even better in my own small way.

Want to know when I found out you guys were looking for feedback? About 30 fucking minutes ago, when I went "What the fuck happened? Why does e621 look like this now?"

Usually, when you want to advertise something, you put it where people will, you know, see it. The best place to advertise something big and site-changing that I can think of would've been the home page (which doesn't exist anymore, how fun!). It wouldn't have taken you too long! Just a few small lines of code on the page to write, in nice big letters "We're thinking of changing this website's look! Check out the beta here, and give us your feedback here!" That way, you might have actually gotten feedback from a lot of people, and found out that a lot of people hate it. Literally none of my roleplaying friends like the new look. None. Not a one.

No, instead, you guys decide to put the fact you want feedback somewhere that 95% of your user base don't even look at, let alone read, and then turn around and blame us for not giving you any feedback.

Oh cool, I didn't know this website was owned by Bethesda.

Why is this a thing? Why do companies and websites rush out half-finished, poorly working products out on their user base with plans to fix it later down the line? Why not just take the time to make sure it all runs smoothly and looks nice before forcing it down everyone's throats? Or better yet, how about NOT forcing it down everyone's throats? Why axe the old themes? Why give this version of the website with no option to go back to a previous version?

You realize your website was literally unusable on mobile until I turned off mobile mode, right? Everything was a cluttered mess with comments overlapping on the picture. And even on my desktop, everything is blocky and weird, and the design is literally a step back from how it looked less than 24 hours ago.

That's not even mentioning all the downgrades. No more cache for the search bar means that I now have to type out every single tag by hand no matter how many times I searched for it. No home page with the fun mascots means you just get all this porn jarringly thrown in your face, and the fact you see the most recent uploads means you might instantly see tags you hate. Honestly I could go on with the downgrades but I'd just be repeating what everyone already wrote down before me.

TL;DR IF IT AIN'T BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT.

I'm with him on that. You devs are a bunch of half witted moronic dumb-ass pieces of shit.

Anyone else using Tampermonkey (or another browser script equivalent) with eSix Extend? The entire script is broken now. Only thing I can see is the profile shortcuts on the upper right, but all of the links are dead. No more shortcut keys, or eSix Extend configuration available. *EDIT* Seems like e621 Tag Editor Plus also got nuked, I doubt we will get either of these scripts back.

Looks like this also broke The Wolf's Stash (the well developed mobile app) which was just starting to get most of its features going. Do all of these new API changes completely ruin the brand new app ZepiWolf has been working so hard on? It just completely doesn't work anymore for me. Thank god I decided to wait another update to donate, though it's pretty shitty that ZepiWolf probably won't get contributions due to this website being crushed.

I agree with (practically) everyone that this update ruins a lot of what made e621 special for me (welcome page after login, home page, theming and layout, download button opening new tab, etc). I've been using this site for several years (my partner for a year now) and we didn't know about the beta until about 20 minutes ago, which hurts. Some kind of news on the part of the site most of us actually browse would have been really awesome, but I suppose I'm just an end user.

I have enough love for e621 and their staff to stick around for a while. Hopefully the "updates" will help bring this incredible site back to what it was just yesterday, let alone the last several years. I really wish the team luck with putting this back together. Worst comes to worst there's always furry.booru and rule34.paheal I guess. Kind of like trading in a 2020 Honda Civic Type R for an '89 Honda CRX. It's nothing near what you had, but it gets the job done in a way.

shadowwolf20 said:
I'm with him on that. You devs are a bunch of half witted moronic dumb-ass pieces of shit.

Don't be rude. Being rude isn't going to get anything done.

Is there any chance there's an option to revert the new functionality to open the Download in a new tab? If not, could one be added? I actually liked it better opening over the current tab, personally. Would be a nice choice to have.

notmenotyou said:

How do I disable the mobile view?

There are multiple ways. The quickest (which also works without an account) is to scroll down to the bottom of the page and click "Disable mobile mode support".
The other option is to disable it in your (advanced) account settings, where it's called "Responsive Mode". Simply go to settings, click "Advanced", then disable responsive mode. Be sure to check the other settings as well, there's a few new items there that are pretty self explanatory.

How do I disable the gestures?

Second verse same as the first, in your account settings under advanced.

How do I get the old themes back?

You don't. Those are no longer compatible with the new site and had to be axed. Though we're probably bringing them back one by one as time goes on. Right now they're on the bottom of the list of things that need doing.

The current layout is terrible.

It will be improved and polished as time goes on. Getting the new codebase up and running had a higher priority than making it look pretty.

Change it back.

No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

I find the overhaul to be relatively good. Nice improvements. Stuff was a tad confusing to find again but that happens with every UI change and we will all adapt pretty soon. Pools are gone, front page is gone, themes are gone. But I heard they will all return anyway. Good work guys.

marioproctologist said:
i am so glad you now auto-blacklist cub art on the front page.

if i were to add a suggestion, why not make the front page "order:score date:week" so that people that get the link from somewhere on the internet visit the site and don't get a face full of heavy kink art? Personally, I love kink shit (and the kinkier the better) but if i were a fresh furry that found this site from a furry_irl post or on a discord board, i'd be turned off from visiting the site in the future if the first thing i saw was a fresh post by nezumi or longblueclaw

also, fullplaying videos kills my cursor. like listerally, i cant see my cursor when i zoom out of a video, and the effect stays even when i switch screens or tabs

Cub is auto-blocked from first page? That's really good.

Thinking about it, I think this update has some positives, but I feel like the overall redesign is what's turning people away from liking it, although other changes (such as the confirmation of age, a front page, ect) are alright. I personally like having to type in the tags first when I view this website, and not see porn right away, but that's just me I guess. I feel like there's quite a few quality of life changes that were really needed, but the website redesign makes the entire site look worse, more generic, and is considered by most to be unneeded. I feel like if we went back to the previous look (which even had themes working on that, wooo) everyone would likely appreciate it. I really hope these ideas are at least going to help this go somewhere, and not be taken as "Dumb stupid idiot dumb dumb lol haha funny"

Thanks!

Is it just me or does the whole original post seem kinda condescending?

Seems to be that the majority of us (including myself) had no idea that this layout was ever in beta and modmins were seeking out feedback. I guess the "ample warning" wasn't quite ample enough.

im experiencing huge issues rite now, its not just that the layout is vad, NOTHING will load, i cant see posts, i cant see comments, anything, if I search something all i get is nothing, its irritating, i hope its fixed soon

notmenotyou said:

How do I disable the mobile view?

There are multiple ways. The quickest (which also works without an account) is to scroll down to the bottom of the page and click "Disable mobile mode support".
The other option is to disable it in your (advanced) account settings, where it's called "Responsive Mode". Simply go to settings, click "Advanced", then disable responsive mode. Be sure to check the other settings as well, there's a few new items there that are pretty self explanatory.

How do I disable the gestures?

Second verse same as the first, in your account settings under advanced.

How do I get the old themes back?

You don't. Those are no longer compatible with the new site and had to be axed. Though we're probably bringing them back one by one as time goes on. Right now they're on the bottom of the list of things that need doing.

The current layout is terrible.

It will be improved and polished as time goes on. Getting the new codebase up and running had a higher priority than making it look pretty.

Change it back.

No. The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

My only question currently is when will image resize be reimplemented?

The new interface of adding posts to sets is just super uncomfortable - you need to move your pointer to the centre of the screen and then all the way back instead of remaining within the right-side column.

And is it possible to see who favourited a post now?

anonstuffshitt said:
Don't be rude. Being rude isn't going to get anything done.

If one or two lines of text is unacceptable and rude, what do you call the lines of code in this site overhaul?

Most of us don't like change, and i don't mind too much. but the one thing i do have issues at the moment with would be the Global lock to some tags. I beleive the default blacklist should be enough, for users that like to use their phones in private mode. they are not forced to log in everytime to see the globally locked tags.

notmenotyou said:
Because the codebase was done for a few months now and nobody wanted to provide additional feedback on the layout during the beta.
Like, we gave ample notice and options for people to chime in. Both threads were in the stickies for ages.

Hold up, there was a beta for this? Why wasn't that pointed out on the homepage? I'd have loved to contribute UI/UX polish to this new design but I never visit the forums. If nobody provided feedback in your thread it may have been because people weren't aware of it.

+1 on the train of "I had no idea the beta existed, this is unfinished and shouldn't have been shipped, and please don't blame us for not giving feedback on a beta we didn't know about."

I don't understand some of these features, like apparently my userpage seems to mention a comment enabling/disabling feature I can't seem to find an option for, as well as the title being unchangeable unless I have to do something silly with the description, which I feel like would be terrible design unless specifically stated in the upload page.

I feel like giving a less subtle message, like having the announcements thing straight up mentioning the beta upon it's first launch and staying until now, or having a new, unique-looking "beta" tab on the old layout would have immensely helped in letting people know that this site is getting a redesign; The Forums seem like a bad place to announce such a massive layout change without many different warnings on the main site's announcement area beforehand. Not gonna lie, I visit the forums every once and a while, and completely forgot that the beta was happening since the announcement thread looked like just another pinned thread and didn't get all too many updates compared to other pinned threads

What are the new features that made it impossible to revert back to the old UI? Are they necessary, or even useful to us users?

...
The beta was open and public for nearly 5 months. We gave ample warning and opportunity to chime in with the feedback.

A warning that reaches no one, thus gained little feedback, is not an approval to change the UI so drastically.

Why not make a poll to see what the users think. And make sure people are aware of it this time.

No sir, I don't like it.

jesus1214 said:
If one or two lines of text is unacceptable and rude, what do you call the lines of code in this site overhaul?

I've responded to this thread with my dislike for this update, I just don't think being rude is going to fix anything. It'd likely make the devs less likely to implement any of the ideas as it sets the precedent that to get things done, verbal grotesque needs to be implemented. We need to properly explain, as users of this site, why we don't like the new update, what we liked about the old setup that isn't in this new update, and create an idea to go along with both versions of this site. I personally think this update did a few things right, but for every step up, 2 steps were taken down. This isn't my website, I'm going to be civil about why I want certain changes to be made as a user of the site.

In the next reply to this, I'm going to attempt to detail what I think the update did right, and what it did wrong. Keep in mind I'm unaware how to properly design a website, but have used this site before and after the redesign.

Arbitrarily blocking tags if not logged in even if you remove them from the blacklist? Not cool.
Also, chiming in on the 'didn't know about the beta/request for feedback' that also applies to me. Take a page from Wikipedia's notification methodology, guys. You're basically a wikipedia for furry porn. When there's something you want attention and feedback on, put that shit EVERYWHERE. Image post? Somewhere on that page. Reviewing a tag/pool/gallery thing? Better be there. People don't usually read the discussion page on Wikipedia articles, so why would they go to your forum or dicksword?
For rolling it out, you could have had concurrency for a while, then 'start on the new with an option to switch to old', and finally retiring the old. But no... sudden change that apparently many users had no idea was even coming.
For the future, assume users won't click your handy dandy links to explain things. If you'd done a better job getting the word out, you wouldn't have a shitstorm trying to brew up. I'd advise shelving the snark and making a calm post explaining things. BE PROFESSIONAL. You need to reassure people that you're not about to shit the bed like so many other companies have, and address the concerns in a serious and polite manner. If you're an ass, that just makes everyone dig in, and the war begins in earnest.

rooshoes said:
If nobody provided feedback in your thread it may have been because people weren't aware of it.

Some people did, so it's not like they did this completely blind. But this is how it generally goes with these kinds of things. Somebody announces they're working on a new thing and asks for testing and feedback, some people do but the majority don't, then it gets released and the people who didn't try it before are now forced to use it, which creates a spike of feedback and new issues that didn't get found before (along with the usual change=bad complaints that would happen regardless). While they could've maybe made the announcement a bit more prominent and got a few more testers, I don't think it would've changed too much in the long run.

Can someone let me know what did you change regarding JSON?

I've noticed my bot stopped working, fixed it by changing from /post/index.json to posts.json but seemingly the whole structure is different now. Do I really need to rewrite my json parsing?

if i['file_url'].endswith(tuple(photos)) or i['file_url'].endswith(tuple(vids)):
TypeError: string indices must be integers

that1akwarddude29 said:
im experiencing huge issues rite now, its not just that the layout is vad, NOTHING will load, i cant see posts, i cant see comments, anything, if I search something all i get is nothing, its irritating, i hope its fixed soon

what he/she said.

just yesterday i could view posts, comments etc and everything even while not logged in on a PS Vita, Wii U mobile etc.

but now i cant.

seems the mods and admin dropped the ball on this ''update''

One of the problems about the beta being announced for testing is the fact that the news headline block stays up FOR MONTHS. Even stuff that's half a year or more out of date still sits up there. It's a proven fact that people will start to subconsciously ignore visual noise after awhile. You'll eventually stop mentally acknowledging it and it becomes more or less invisible to you. So putting an announcement up in that block that so many people have already stopped paying any attention to isn't going to do much good. After a month or two the news block should be cleared and removed if nothing else is actually, you know, new. Then when it reappears after a time of absence you'd get peoples' attention again.

As for the updated site, I'll echo a lot of what's already been said, especially the lack of padding around page elements, and the normal (non-bolded) text being a strain on the eyes. The image size option also seems to reset itself. I don't want images to be to fit, I want them reduced. The site doesn't seem to keep that option saved and it defaults back to fit.

anonstuffshitt said:
I've responded to this thread with my dislike for this update, I just don't think being rude is going to fix anything. It'd likely make the devs less likely to implement any of the ideas as it sets the precedent that to get things done, verbal grotesque needs to be implemented. We need to properly explain, as users of this site, why we don't like the new update, what we liked about the old setup that isn't in this new update, and create an idea to go along with both versions of this site. I personally think this update did a few things right, but for every step up, 2 steps were taken down. This isn't my website, I'm going to be civil about why I want certain changes to be made as a user of the site.

In the next reply to this, I'm going to attempt to detail what I think the update did right, and what it did wrong. Keep in mind I'm unaware how to properly design a website, but have used this site before and after the redesign.

So, what has this update, in my eyes, done wrong?

Was poorly shown off (many people weren't aware of the changes being made to the site as they don't use the forums. I think that little dandy "news" feature thing should've been used for something rather controversial like this.)

Was rushed (I feel like this wouldn't be an issue if they got feedback, but not many people use the forums as mentioned. Should've used the "news" feature, would've fixed a lot of things in this situation)

Doesn't allow usage of the old set up (Furaffinity had a website redesign earlier as well, but allowed you to use the old layout, just that it wouldn't be supported for new features.
Personally, I would much rather do that, along with many others. I would also like if this could be a change not restricted to being logged in, like how you can change content filters without being logged in on Derpibooru.)

Blocking tags on the front page (I understand this move rather well, cause cub is gross and cub being on the front is a yikes, but even if you don't have it blacklisted, you can't see it on the front page, which strikes me as odd.)

Features are missing in general (I am not an active user when it comes to logging in. I'm usually logged out when I browse this site, but from what I can tell and from what I've heard, many features are missing.)

That page when you go on the site where you just type in a tag and you can view it (Idk what it was called, but its gone now and I don't like it.)

Themes are missing (I didn't use them but I'm pretty sure if your gonna roll out an update like this, this sort of thing can't just be missing, no one was asking for an update so you could've waited until that was finished, not just say "oh it didn't work out")

New layout is bad (It just looks like a generic recolored booru, which I don't think the old e621 did. I've detailed this before.)

The news page thing stays up for months after an announcement is made, so no one might notice if the news is updated (Not really an issue with the update, but with the website usually. Like yeah we know you don't have a facebook lol, its been saying that for months.)

So, what was done right?

The little thing that says "Hey this site is 18+ you sure?" ( Something like this little funny image probably happened to a few people so that's funny. funny meme )

Minor changes that were made (yeah.)

Searching for tags gives autocomplete (If i type zabi it'll give me a few finishes, like "zabivaka" or something. This takes a few letters to start up though.)

I feel like I missed a lot of things, but I feel like this update was handled poorly and rushed when it didn't need to be. Many things were made too complicated, and I'm not just talking about the update. The "news" feature wasn't used to show off this rather large change to the website.

I hope somehow this kind of stuff gets fixed.

I don't mind the update, but the biggest thing that's annoying me is how pools have their navigation at only the top of the page. Means that, after scrolling down to read a full comic, you have to scroll back up again just to go to the next page.

Please add navigation controls at the bottom of the image as well please.

Also... purple on blue is really hard to see for colour deficient people..

anonstuffshitt said:
The "news" feature wasn't used to show off this rather large change to the website.

AFAIK that is wrong; both the news and forums advertised it.

As ChrisK points out, it seems that that wasn't sufficient and it should have been even more intrusive.