Topic: BUR to fix an individuals terrible tagging part 4 (25 entry limit)

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #5189 is pending approval.

create alias feral_taur (44) -> conjoined (2591)
create alias feral_temptation (73) -> feral (618763)
create alias feral_with_hands (24) -> feral (618763)
create alias feral_with_feet (11) -> feral (618763)
create alias cub_receiving (0) -> cub (0)
create alias cub_scouts (5) -> cub_scout (22)
create alias cub_sell (0) -> cub (0)
create alias female_cub (0) -> young_female (38129)
create alias female_child (13) -> young_female (38129)
create alias female_fisting_male (27) -> fisting (4137)
create alias hand_on_feet (1) -> hands_on_feet (1)
create alias larger_fellated (2) -> oral (296282)
create alias larger_female_smaller_female (1) -> larger_female (65483)
create alias larger_female_smaller_male (1) -> larger_female (65483)
create alias larger_females (0) -> larger_female (65483)
create alias larger_fingered (30) -> fingering (48793)
create alias larger_fisted (34) -> fisting (4137)
create alias larger_futa (0) -> larger_intersex (7688)
create alias larger_rape (584) -> rape (47795)
create alias male_cub (0) -> young_male (44381)
create alias male_fisted (19) -> fisting (4137)
create alias male_fisting_female (17) -> fisting (4137)
create alias male_fisting_herm (0) -> fisting (4137)

Reason: Mods told me "Approved: The best way to resolve all of these would be to submit a Bulk Update Request on the forum, and request mass deletion of these. That way the community can have involvement, and items can be added or subtracted from the list."

I didn't even know that was a thing, and I have no idea if I'm doing this right at all even with reading the wiki page but here is my shot at this.

My issue was user 449843, currently named Garbagios, is making up a shit ton of redundant tags and the only person using any of these tags seems to be them. The tags aren't helping anyone find anything, especially when all they're doing is adding half a dozen tags to a single image that all mean younger_penetrated. Then another dozen tags to the same image to add male and female versions of a bunch of other tags. Some of these would technically alias a couple things since all of their tagging is simply combining other tags together for no reason, but I'm not sure if I can make multiple aliases with a BUR. They are also tagging a bunch of non evolved pokemon as young and cub even though some of these posts have gone SIXTEEN YEARS without the tags. They seem to be changing tags to fit their own view of things. I don't think the BUR can fix them tagging pokemon wrong so I was kinda hoping there was an undo all on their tagging and users can fix the relatively minor decent tagging they have done while the BUR prevents them from making up more redundant tags. About half of the tags in this list they are using, the rest showed up in tag search and look absolutely useless or so few people use them they aren't doing anything other than clutter up the tags, so we might as well get rid of them/fix them. I opened this can of worms, might as well see it through. Some might be better as implications than aliases but I'd rather see what other people think first. I prefer a cleaner tag list than a bunch tags that are so specific that while yes, that is technically in this image, but no one will ever search for that so why add the tag.

There is also some other minor tag fixes along this line of reasoning. Adult_on_cub has 5.4k posts but adult_on_young only has 1.4k. Shouldn't it be adult_on_young, since all cub is young, but not all young is cub, and you can just search that and cub to get the results you want?

cub_receiving - I saw this and said, "What the hell does that mean?" Receiving what? If you go up to someone and tell them your receiving and leave it at that they're going to stare at you like your crazy because that doesn't mean anything on its own. A cub receiving oral says the tag page. Then cub and oral. Why make up another tag for this? And there's a hell of a lot more than 234 posts of cubs receiving oral so either there's a better tag or this should just go

older_on_XYZ - Just need to go. We have older_male, older_female, young/cub/baby etc. These tags are too general to be useful for searching. Just adds clutter to the tags

younger_feral - implies a bunch of other younger tags exist, such as younger_anthro, but they aren't in use.

feral_penetrating_XYZ. Human, anthro, feral, humanoid are being used a lot, but compared to the number of images tagged feral_penetrating, people dont seem to be using feral_penetrating_(male/female/gyno/andro/herm) nearly as much. Feral_penetrating_gynomorph has 15 images while feral_penetrating + gynomorph has 933. If thats what your looking for using the more specific tag is useless if everyone doesn't use it

The more I look into tags the more I see that need fixed so I'm just going to have to stop adding tags here.

Wiki page says errors should just be removed and added to the forum post so here they are. Also says 25 entries max so this is going to have to get split up.

Error: Antecedent name has already been taken (create alias feral_with_human_bits -> feral),
Error: Antecedent name has already been taken (create alias feral_with_humanoid_penis -> feral)
There are tons of ferals with humans bits, these tags aren't useful

create alias feral_with_feet (8) -> feral (510446)

That is a pretty... cursed concept. I think this one should probably be kept like clothed_feral, busty_feral or feral_with_hair which are all long-standing tags complete with aliases and implications. It would be very difficult to find this content without a tag like this, just try searching through feral humanoid_feet until you find one.

create alias cub_receiving (234) -> oral (239133)

I don't like how vague this tag name is, and wouldn't want it to be aliased. "Cub receiving" never specifies oral. It would be better to do a mass update to oral instead and then an alias to cub.

create alias female_cub (482) -> cub (133375)
create alias female_child (13) -> child (23690)
create alias male_cub (754) -> cub (133375)

I agree with SCTH up above - these should be aliased to young_male and young_female, see also topic #38991.

create alias larger_futa (6) -> intersex (192093)

Instead alias to larger_intersex which has been an acceptable tag for years.

create alias male_humanoid (657) -> humanoid (365158)
create alias female_humanoid (536) -> humanoid (365158)

The fate of <gender>_<form> tags are a topic that comes up regularly (most recently topic #39120) and shouldn't just be slipped into a BUR like this. They need more discussion than that.

faucet said:
That is a pretty... cursed concept. I think this one should probably be kept like clothed_feral, busty_feral or feral_with_hair which are all long-standing tags complete with aliases and implications. It would be very difficult to find this content without a tag like this, just try searching through feral humanoid_feet until you find one.

I don't like how vague this tag name is, and wouldn't want it to be aliased. "Cub receiving" never specifies oral. It would be better to do a mass update to oral instead and then an alias to cub.

I agree with SCTH up above - these should be aliased to young_male and young_female, see also topic #38991.

Instead alias to larger_intersex which has been an acceptable tag for years.

The fate of <gender>_<form> tags are a topic that comes up regularly (most recently topic #39120) and shouldn't just be slipped into a BUR like this. They need more discussion than that.

Feral with feet can stay then, niche as fuck and hard to search.

Cub receiving means nothing so it will go to cub. There were only 5 posts with cub_receiving that didn't have oral so I'll just add that

Young male and young female aren't in widespread use enough to be useful. 200k young tags and 590 young male tags and 376 young_female. 99% of posts dont use it. Loli and shota ARE in use so I'll use those

Changed to larger_intersex

I'll remove the male/female humanoid and it can be dealt with elsewhere

Watsit

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bloodreaver01 said:
create alias feral_taur (6) -> taur (14719)

Sounds like this needs disambiguating. Why not feral? Ideally, an alias should follow the first word being aliased to avoid making a mess of the tag suggestions; see this comment:

we really should avoid aliasing stuff like this to not the first word in the tag it totally fucks up the quick tag menu. I can't think of any good reason that when typing "fer" into the search or tag box feral is seven options down the list and when you typed in "feral_" literally none of the things on the list have any relation to feral.

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bloodreaver01 said:
Feral with feet can stay then, niche as fuck and hard to search.

"Feral with feet" can go, since most ferals have feet. If it means "feral with humanoid feet", it should be that, but even then some species do have naturally more human-like feet (and the line for what is humanoid feet is vague; post #1838461 for example is notably different from human feet, even though it's "more human" than typical bird feet, it's more of a hybrid design), making it of questionable value.

watsit said:
Sounds like this needs disambiguating. Why not feral? Ideally, an alias should follow the first word being aliased to avoid making a mess of the tag suggestions; see this comment:
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"Feral with feet" can go, since most ferals have feet. If it means "feral with humanoid feet", it should be that, but even then some species do have naturally more human-like feet (and the line for what is humanoid feet is vague; post #1838461 for example is notably different from human feet, even though it's "more human" than typical bird feet, it's more of a hybrid design), making it of questionable value.

Changed to feral then.

And feral with feet gone again because yeah, its a dumb tag. I had looked up feral with human/humanoid feet before and didn't get results which is why i wanted to get rid of it in the first place because yeah, ferals usually have feet and feral with feet doesnt imply humanoid feet

Watsit

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bloodreaver01 said:
Changed to feral then.

It's better disambiguated (the "Why not feral?" was more a rhetorical question). "Feral" and "taur" are exclusive to each other for tagging purposes, so a "feral_taur" is ambiguous if it means a feral or taur; if it's a taur, it's not a feral, and if it's a feral, it's not a taur, and it doesn't seem safe to assume one or the other. Looking at the 6 posts with the tag, it seems even it doesn't know what it's supposed to be: some are also tagged conjoined and multifur (indicating two characters merged), some aren't, some are tagged solo, some duo.

watsit said:
It's better disambiguated (the "Why not feral?" was more a rhetorical question). "Feral" and "taur" are exclusive to each other for tagging purposes, so a "feral_taur" is ambiguous if it means a feral or taur; if it's a taur, it's not a feral, and if it's a feral, it's not a taur, and it doesn't seem safe to assume one or the other. Looking at the 6 posts with the tag, it seems even it doesn't know what it's supposed to be: some are also tagged conjoined and multifur (indicating two characters merged), some aren't, some are tagged solo, some duo.

They're an abomination against nature so they're getting tagged conjoined now, unless there is a better fit for whats going on with feral_taur.
So I wanted to change it to a taur initially because they look like taurs with an extra head or bits to me, but they arent so cleanly written off as its just a taur with more stuff. Some are just conjoined bits of anthro and feral thrown together
Feral_taur doesnt really mean anything on its own which is why i want it to be aliased elsewhere or otherwise go away. They(now) all have taur and conjoined (since thats what they are) but theres a hell of a lot more things under taur and conjoined not covered in the feral_taur tag that look like the feral_taur content so its not helping anyone, especially if the tags wording doesn't explain what it even is.

scth said:
Same issue as in part 5; loli is more specific than just young_female. Ideally we either implicate loli to young_female, or alias (neither in a large BUR like this). Same with Shota.

Alright, didn't realize that loli/shota implied explicit or suggestive content.

However we still don't need a young_female/male tag. People can type in young and female/male and deal with looking, just like everyone else that has to look through posts. They get rid of male/female versions of so many tags because they just look messy and we do NOT need the distinction to find posts. Young is a distinction we need. Breaking it down more isn't necessary. Because someone is lazy and doesn't want to have to bother looking through some posts isn't a very good reason. But again, you will never make tags to cover every conceivable scenario. If you try to make a tag for everything its just going to get ugly. Also, people aren't using young_female/male nor is anyone going to go back through over 200k posts of young to retag all the young pictures as young_male or young_female. So few posts use young_female/male that there is no point in it existing, you will literally not see over 99% of content.

I will not alias anything over to young_female or young_male because they aren't useful tags IMO, especially in their current state. I removed aliasing away young_male and young_female because its causing too many problems with getting other valid changes through and can be dealt with elsewhere.

All these extra versions of male/female/young tags are making the tags messy. Trying to fix male_cub and female_cub and there are multiple posts with solo characters that would be tagged properly if tags like male_cub and young_male didn't exist. People look for the male and female tags when changing the gender on a post, not all these other things. Ambiguous characters tagged as such but also have young_male and male_cub? This is why they need to go.

Updated

Moved older work into folder for neatness/readability.

https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_taur+-taur+-conjoined 0 results. Done I guess? It literally just means a conjoined anthro+feral bust/shoulders/head on the same body?

https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_temptation+-feral 0 results.
https://e621.net/posts?tags=feral_temptation+-temptation NOT 0 results. You should fix this.

LOL@feral_with_* results. Yeah, it should probably be a humanoid tag like Watsit said. The tag name is the problem, not the tag meaning itself.

https://e621.net/posts?tags=cub_receiving+-oral There's literally 0 results without oral. Hmm, penetrating isn't present on them all, though, for obvious reasons. Even if we were keeping this, it would need to be replaced with young_receiving and cub, right? AFAIK, receiving is not a valid tag variant of the oral branches in the implication tree.

Scout tags make sense.

Duuuuuuude! Cub_sell is sex slavery, too! Added missing tag. This is the sort of thing that people blacklist, too. Tsk tsk.

As first mentioned by SCTH, this makes sense:
female_cub -> female, young_female, cub
male_cub -> male, young_male, cub
female_child -> female, young_female, child
male_child -> male, young_male, child
If there are any herm/maleherm/intersex/andromorph/gynomorph variants, might want to check for them, as well. There's a good chance that cub/toddler/shota/child/loli/etc. tags are going towards X_young and Y instead of Y_X (i.e. like above with female_cub). It's annoying enough as it is to get age groups right, to have to deal with a kajillion variants for each age group that have like 3-4 results, that can be replicated with more general tags, and thus are worse than useless!

create alias female_fisting_male (24) -> fisting (3390)
create alias larger_fisted (33) -> fisting (3390)
create alias male_fisted (10) -> fisting (3390)
create alias male_fisting_female (17) -> fisting (3390)
create alias male_fisting_herm (4) -> fisting (3390)

X_fisting_Y should probably be X_fisting, Y_fisted as fisting is a penetration tag. Also, X_on_Y which in the first line's case is just male/female(and female_penetrating_male).

Hands_on_feet is yet another unusual_anatomy tag? :P Makes nonsense! Yeah, I guess this one works, as well.

create alias larger_fellated (2) -> oral (239406)
create alias larger_female_smaller_female (20) -> female (2060422)
create alias larger_female_smaller_male (29) -> female (2060422)
create alias larger_females (1) -> female (2060422)
create alias larger_fingered (28) -> fingering (39901)
create alias larger_fisted (33) -> fisting (3390)
create alias larger_futa (6) -> larger_intersex (6053)
create alias larger_rape (181) -> rape (40398)

larger_X should definitely not get aliased or implicated directly into just X. This needs to be fixed, as well. I'm not sure why you jump to the root of a tree so often.

" 99% of posts dont use it. " That's not the criterea on rare tags. It's rather they can be replaced with more general tags and still have functional search. There's a balance between so many tags that you are playing a game of guess-the-tag, because there's so many, and being buried in a hill of irrelevant results to find that one diamond in the rough.

bloodreaver01 said:
Alright, didn't realize that loli/shota implied explicit or suggestive content.

However we still don't need a young_female/male tag. People can type in young and female/male and deal with looking, just like everyone else that has to look through posts. They get rid of male/female versions of so many tags because they just look messy and we do NOT need the distinction to find posts. Young is a distinction we need. Breaking it down more isn't necessary. Because someone is lazy and doesn't want to have to bother looking through some posts isn't a very good reason. But again, you will never make tags to cover every conceivable scenario. If you try to make a tag for everything its just going to get ugly. Also, people aren't using young_female/male nor is anyone going to go back through over 200k posts of young to retag all the young pictures as young_male or young_female. So few posts use young_female/male that there is no point in it existing, you will literally not see over 99% of content.

I will not alias anything over to young_female or young_male because they aren't useful tags IMO, especially in their current state. I removed aliasing away young_male and young_female because its causing too many problems with getting other valid changes through and can be dealt with elsewhere.

All these extra versions of male/female/young tags are making the tags messy. Trying to fix male_cub and female_cub and there are multiple posts with solo characters that would be tagged properly if tags like male_cub and young_male didn't exist. People look for the male and female tags when changing the gender on a post, not all these other things. Ambiguous characters tagged as such but also have young_male and male_cub? This is why they need to go.

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OK, continuing since not feeling burned out. Also, going to be sooooo glad to get rid of this tooth today. :)

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Huge edit on 20230902
The usual checklist for rigor:
feral_taur -feral
feral_taur -taur
feral_temptation -temptation/feral_temptation -feral It might make more sense to alias this to temptation since they ALL have feral tag.
feral_with_hands -humanoid_hands Not sure that this one is a problem... feral humanoid_hands has 9 pages of results which drowns the non-solo posts. post #3864415 Only one that humanoid_hands doesn't apply to. post #3959242 , post #3959235 and post #3959228 I don't even see how those are 'hands'.
feral_with_feet -humanoid_feet
cub_receiving -oral
cub_scouts -cub_scout
cub_sell -slave_sale
female_cub -cub
female_child -child
female_fisting_male -female_penetrating_male
hand_on_feet -hands_on_feet/hands_on_feet -hand_on_feet These actually seem to be different?
larger_fellated -oral_penetration Both posts just happened to be oral_penetration and smaller_penetrated.
larger_female_smaller_female -larger_female/larger_female_smaller_female -smaller_female 0 results, anyways.
larger_female_smaller_male -smaller_male/larger_female_smaller_male -larger_female post #4105595 tagging is confusing and only one left.
larger_females
larger_fingered/larger_fisted Should be an implication... Might want to alias to/from smaller_fingering and smaller_fisting, though.
larger_futa/older_futa I double-checked and changed to larger_gynomorph/older_gynomorph to fix the older tag names.
larger_rape/smaller_raped It might make more sense to alias these to each other. There are definitely size fetishes that apply. It's either that or tag larger_*/smaller_* for genders on all 500+ results. Either way, at least one of these tags needs to go.
male_cub -cub
male_fisted -male_penetrated
male_fisting_female -male_penetrating_female
male_fisting_male -male_penetrating_male
male_fisting_herm -male_penetrating_herm

feral with hair Is one that I think should have been used on some Fluffy Pony (Species) posts because of artist styles tending to have hair on them. Technically the mane and tail hairs, mostly. Some have hair on their head, though, which this tag applies to.

Other than the size difference rape tags, isn't that most of them on the checklist cleaned up?

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