We're well aware of the issue with the amount of My Little Pony content that has been flooding the site a bit for the past several months. And we're also well aware that simply blacklisting my_little_pony causes problems browsing the site normally. Believe me, we don't like it either.

People seem to think that the simple answer is just "don't allow My Little Pony anymore". And they're right, that would be the simple answer. However, I, and the e621 team, are not lazy admins. We don't want a simple answer that greatly reduces the amount of (perfectly legitimate) content the site receives. We don't want to point the finger at some of our most dedicated uploaders and tell them "You are TOO dedicated to continue posting the content to this site that you want to share, so you may no longer post any of it at all." That is not fair to them, and it's not fair to great number of people that do enjoy seeing so much My Little Pony on e621. Therefore, we need a better answer.

The better answer is in the works, and comes in the form of two major advancements in site functionality: 1) ALL e621 users will be able to make use of the blacklist, even those without accounts, and 2) The way the site handles blacklisted pictures for users is being completely overhauled, so that you will no longer have empty or nearly-empty pages. Every page will be completely full of art, no matter what you've got blacklisted (unless you blacklist everything, I suppose).

All that this issue with My Little Pony has done is underline a critical area of site functionality that needs to be improved. It is nothing but the site failing to provide you with the experience that you were looking for. Therefore, we will make the site better, and currently plan to do so as mentioned above. But the one answer that we will absolutely not implement, as long as I'm e621's lead admin, is to ban specific content simply because we get too much of it. That is the lazy and destructive way out, and that is not how I'm going to run this site.

Hey char. I got a solution. Let's break the uploader again.

post #136698

Char said:
All that this issue with My Little Pony has done is underline a critical area of site functionality that needs to be improved.

Actually, all it really did was underline just how impressively intolerant and belligerent people are. Instead of overhauling the site to mollify a (very vocal) group of people, I personally believe the best course of action would have been to crack down on the ridiculous amount of complaining.

But your method is good, too. Yay Char!

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
Actually, all it really did was underline just how impressively intolerant and belligerent people are. Instead of overhauling the site to mollify a (very vocal) group of people, I personally believe the best course of action would have been to crack down on the ridiculous amount of complaining.

But your method is good, too. Yay Char!

Actually I was planning on this upgrade anyway blaz. it just seems nice to say "YOU ASSHOLES ARE THE REASON WE DID THIS"

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
I personally believe the best course of action would have been to crack down on the ridiculous amount of complaining.

But your method is good, too. Yay Char!

The problem is that I don't really disagree with them. We DO get a ton of MLP content every day. It doesn't bother me personally that much, but I can completely understand why it's such an issue to people that don't want to see MLP at all, so that's why we're going to address it by improving the site, rather than diminishing content.

Aurali said:
Actually I was planning on this upgrade anyway blaz. it just seems nice to say "YOU ASSHOLES ARE THE REASON WE DID THIS"

Oh, then it's alright. BLAZIKEN APPROVED

Char said:
The problem is that I don't really disagree with them. We DO get a ton of MLP content every day. It doesn't bother me personally that much, but I can completely understand why it's such an issue to people that don't want to see MLP at all, so that's why we're going to address it by improving the site, rather than diminishing content.

I think most of the problem is outlined here. It's not that there's a TON of it, even though pokemon has far more- it's the volume -per day-. If you're not like me and search specific tags instead of just looking at the recent arrivals, I can see how that'd be vexing.

On the other hand, this change is something that I do agree is something that was wrong with the system and needed to be fixed, and it's nice to see it happen, eevn i it's being put forward in an attemtp to mollify stupid and lazy users. :P

Char said:
The way the site handles blacklisted pictures for users is being completely overhauled, so that you will no longer have empty or nearly-empty pages. Every page will be completely full of art, no matter what you've got blacklisted (unless you blacklist everything, I suppose).

I'm interested, was this as resource-hogging as it was said it would be? I recall that the old one used javascript or something to simply hide the images on the client's end, and that doing it server-side would be too much load.

I don't want to not see MLP, I like the abstract comics and pictures, also the ones completely demeaning it, but if I blacklist it, I won't see anything.

It's the freakin' memes copypastad directly from 4chan that bugs me.

Cool! thanks for considering the pony liking users too :D

Valence said:
I'm interested, was this as resource-hogging as it was said it would be? I recall that the old one used javascript or something to simply hide the images on the client's end, and that doing it server-side would be too much load.

The blacklist feature has not been overhauled yet. But yes, we're still trying to avoid having to do any blacklist processing server-side, and we think we have a solution. Aurali can go into more detail about it for you if she wants, since she's the one writing the code.

.....ehhh.
i really dont have a problem with my little pony.
its a good little group of artist who likes pony and blows u stuff with pixey dust and all that good stuff.
Now the problem i have is when it swarms the shit out of the dragon tag and in most of them spike isnt even in them. Thats my problem with my little pony. or just do the most simplest thing ever, give it its own tag and people will be happy.

Char Aznable says let the purge begin!!!
Or not. o_o

Cool story, mods. This is a reasonable way to deal with it, and is definitely a lot more thought out than both of the standard 'screw it' options~.

Thank you Char for taking the long road and making the harder choice.
Most would have simply banned the content and been done with it. There's
also the fact that your actions promote tolerance and avoid singling out a
dedicated and focused fanbase.

Those who don't like the show need to stop bashing on those who do.
Just think about it for a second, you're on an adult site specializing in anthropomorphized animals and you're making fun of people
that enjoy MLP? However, I can completely understand those who are sick
of seeing a constant flood of MLP content being uploaded. I think an
upgrade to the black list system will definitely help stop the whining.

Thanks again Char for not simply taking the easy way out!

I say let them stay, people need to suck it up and deal with it

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to put your ragey comments in it, why can't you simply just ignore the picture? Oh wait, you haven't hit maturity yet, never mind.

I've been using -mlp in my searches both logged in and not. Seems to filter out my little pony content just fine. Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but as far not being in a pony mood or simply not a fan of my little pony, it works.

Again, to filter out my little pony content add this to your search:

-mlp

This should help until the blacklist function gets updated to save us the huge hassle of typing 4 characters in the search box. ;)

My main question is 'why?' For a primarily furry porn site why has so much clean mlp stuff popped up lately? I find it mildly amusing but I question why people have decided that this is the place for it.

KyuubiKira said:
My main question is 'why?' For a primarily furry porn site why has so much clean mlp stuff popped up lately? I find it mildly amusing but I question why people have decided that this is the place for it.

Because we're Not a "Furry porn site" we're a "Furry image archive"

Yea, I don't get it either, why remove the My Little Pony pictures, when you usually have furry posts MORE than My Little Pony?

I don't get it, at all.

I just thought of this additional blacklist+popular functionality when I was reading the news header and BLAM! You know what the people need!

Even while I'm not critically against MLP (I however dislike "hay I drawz in MLP style 'cos it's simple" in the top), that's really just a perfect excuse to upgrade the imageboard a little ^___^

While we are in a whining thread... can those MLP uploaders start tagging their artists better ?

I was able to find artists many MLP pics i checked that had no artist or were tagged unknown_artist, with minimal research, and i'm totally ignorant on that serie.

Stop copy pasting ponybooru or the -chans, and get to work, people.

How about a page jumping feature as well? I know I can have trouble looking through the larger tags like cub when I can only move two pages at a time.

What1 said:
Yea, I don't get it either, why remove the My Little Pony pictures, when you usually have furry posts MORE than My Little Pony?

I don't get it, at all.

KyuubiKira said:
My main question is 'why?' For a primarily furry porn site why has so much clean mlp stuff popped up lately? I find it mildly amusing but I question why people have decided that this is the place for it.

Well it is human nature that for anything that someone would like, another one wont like it, and it is normal and completely acceptable, it is when one of the parties starts to try and force their will on the other one that comes the issue, some might think its for porn, some might think its for art, but the real thing, is that its for both, Like Princess Celestia said, it is an image Archive for all things considered furry.

I believe this is a great solution towards the existing problem, and i am really happy about it and i thank you personaly, cause both parties get what they wish and none gets to be left out, so people can enjoy their pictures either they are ponies or nor either they are porn or not, now i believe most will enjoy their art without a problem, but what i am afraid from are the ones that will not like this proposition and will try to enforce what they want.

As soon as the Black list goes up, im putting MLP in as soon as posible. SRLY! it friken anyoing!

Cashier said:
As soon as the Black list goes up, im putting MLP in as soon as posible. SRLY! it friken anyoing!

post #135875

That was a great change. I really like the idea, so blacklists work more efficently now, for those who blacklist other things like scat. And i hope people will finally just stop bitching, because they are too lazy to blacklist things. Now they have no excuse not to do it! It just pushes all my buttons. But this decision was good for both parts. So thumps up from me, and continue the good work!

just as long as i can blacklist all clean things i do not care lol

I say we just make Riversyde do everything...
But in all fairness nice and formal Char~

I can't completely understand these people complaining about MLP, they just have to ignore it or find constructive solutions, not bashing the fans.
It's similar to me when I find pic about "death to all furries" pics and comments and then I cant understand why they watch in e621 if they dont like it (I KNOW, I KNOW IT, that this site isn't for fuury stuff only but the mayority is furry and when you was here one time you know it and if you come back here you have to be aware to see such stuff. But if you don't like or even hate hit you don't have to be here.) Nobody forces you to be here, you're free in choise. Even with MLP, if you don't like it ignore it.
Thx Char for making an solution that'll please all of us the furries, bronies and furry/bronies.

o.o *hugs char*

Your speach gave me some motivation for my own little team ... thank you :3

Oh and thank you for not being lazy f'course ^-^

Sounds good. Thanks.

Riversyde said:
post #136698

Wow. The management team here is...

Good.

You've officially tied for first in my list of "best, well-moderated forums on the Internet."

Also, thank you for finally addressing the issue and working on a fix <3

So thanks to my little pony the site is getting upgrades :D

Since blacklisting will work, and thus there's NO excuse for complaining about images, what about putting in a rule where doing so is a temp ban or something?

I dont like MLP either, so i hope this will work. I tried blacklisting MLP but it didnt work. Was not happy with getting dozens of pages of nothing but MLP when looking for completely different things.

But hopefully the blacklist will work properly now, now you just need to teach people to use the blacklist and stop complaining about images just because they dont like them.

I just dont understand why there is so much porn about it...

...It's... it's being fixed?

...*sniffle*

...*tears*

I LOVE YOU GUYS

Yaaaay!

Krona said:
Yaaaay!

No, no, no. The correct response would be. "yay"

Also, I'm very impressed with the staff at e621 for this solution. Just think of it this way, you handled it better than 4chan.

Hey, I leik the MLP stuff. I'm not a fan of lesbians but hey, Fluttershy is just too damn cute :3

If you don't like the MLP shit - just follow my example and fucking blacklist it.

I've had it blacklisted for awhile but I'm glad to see something being done about it, and here I thought I was the only one sick of it.

Thanks e621! Now I don't have to gouge my eyes out today. I'm glad I found this before I did so.. My eyes are saved!!!

Broseidon said:
If you don't like the MLP shit - just follow my example and fucking blacklist it.

Nelsonbutterscotch said:
Hey, I leik the MLP stuff. I'm not a fan of lesbians but hey, Fluttershy is just too damn cute :3

Sugi said:
No, no, no. The correct response would be. "yay"

Also, I'm very impressed with the staff at e621 for this solution. Just think of it this way, you handled it better than 4chan.

I understand about the porn issue, but besides that, what's wrong with being yourself, I'm sorry but I'm totaly with Fachsenbude on this one.

Swordie said:

Fachsenbude said:
I can't completely understand these people complaining about MLP, they just have to ignore it or find constructive solutions, not bashing the fans.
It's similar to me when I find pic about "death to all furries" pics and comments and then I cant understand why they watch in e621 if they dont like it (I KNOW, I KNOW IT, that this site isn't for fuury stuff only but the mayority is furry and when you was here one time you know it and if you come back here you have to be aware to see such stuff. But if you don't like or even hate hit you don't have to be here.) Nobody forces you to be here, you're free in choise. Even with MLP, if you don't like it ignore it.
Thx Char for making an solution that'll please all of us the furries, bronies and furry/bronies.

ITs a better idea to just black list MLP personaly iv seen some okay MLP stuff here and there that is pritty decent the one with squizgar and whats that ones name was pritty funny but to just out right ban it would as stated be lazie and so on if yo udont like it black list it there plenty of other things that dont involve MLP on the sight :PP

P.S sorry for bad spelling working on my english ^.^

YES! Get rid all of MLP pictures because they are NOT FURRY!

Char said:
We're well aware of the issue with the amount of My Little Pony content that has been flooding the site a bit for the past several months. And we're also well aware that simply blacklisting my_little_pony causes problems browsing the site normally. Believe me, we don't like it either.

People seem to think that the simple answer is just "don't allow My Little Pony anymore". And they're right, that would be the simple answer. However, I, and the e621 team, are not lazy admins. We don't want a simple answer that greatly reduces the amount of (perfectly legitimate) content the site receives. We don't want to point the finger at some of our most dedicated uploaders and tell them "You are TOO dedicated to continue posting the content to this site that you want to share, so you may no longer post any of it at all." That is not fair to them, and it's not fair to great number of people that do enjoy seeing so much My Little Pony on e621. Therefore, we need a better answer.

The better answer is in the works, and comes in the form of two major advancements in site functionality: 1) ALL e621 users will be able to make use of the blacklist, even those without accounts, and 2) The way the site handles blacklisted pictures for users is being completely overhauled, so that you will no longer have empty or nearly-empty pages. Every page will be completely full of art, no matter what you've got blacklisted (unless you blacklist everything, I suppose).

All that this issue with My Little Pony has done is underline a critical area of site functionality that needs to be improved. It is nothing but the site failing to provide you with the experience that you were looking for. Therefore, we will make the site better, and currently plan to do so as mentioned above. But the one answer that we will absolutely not implement, as long as I'm e621's lead admin, is to ban specific content simply because we get too much of it. That is the lazy and destructive way out, and that is not how I'm going to run this site.

Great idea on updating the blacklist although I was wondering what was wrong with the blacklist in the first place. It should be as soon as the picture was related to something you blacklisted like My Little Pony the picture shouldn't show up at all unless the uploader forgot to put it up but how is something they didn't blacklisted is considered the loophole for something that is black listed.

Jolem said:
Great idea on updating the blacklist although I was wondering what was wrong with the blacklist in the first place. It should be as soon as the picture was related to something you blacklisted like My Little Pony the picture shouldn't show up at all unless the uploader forgot to put it up but how is something they didn't blacklisted is considered the loophole for something that is black listed.

The blacklist currently works just fine for hiding artwork that you don't want to see. However, the WAY that it does so means that you could potentially end up with very few or sometimes no pictures on a page at all, because they've all been hidden. After Aurali has made the proper code modifications, this will no longer be an issue; you will always see a full page of images, regardless of how many aren't being displayed because of your blacklist.

simply delete 9/10 of the mlp cancer on a monthly basis, and simply redirect them to ponychan where all the other 5 year old girls hang out

Kevin_Fox said:
simply delete 9/10 of the mlp cancer on a monthly basis, and simply redirect them to ponychan where all the other 5 year old girls hang out

Hi troll! Bye troll!

PhrozenFox: don't want to not see MLP, I like the abstract comics and pictures, also the ones completely demeaning it, but if I blacklist it, I won't see anything.

It's the freakin' memes copypastad directly from 4chan that bugs me.

then blacklist it, and look in the my little pony tag specificalyl every few days. the copypasta'd memes are generally already deleted when they're noticed.

Sphinx: .....ehhh.
i really dont have a problem with my little pony.
its a good little group of artist who likes pony and blows u stuff with pixey dust and all that good stuff.
Now the problem i have is when it swarms the shit out of the dragon tag and in most of them spike isnt even in them. Thats my problem with my little pony. or just do the most simplest thing ever, give it its own tag and people will be happy.

My little pony DOES have a tag: my_little_pony, AND friendship_is_magic.

Are you sure spike isn't in these images? I jsut searched dragon my_little_pony and, yeah, I see spike, or a related dragony critter in every image.

Now, you have zero tag edits to your account, so you clearly aren't removing the spike/dragon tags when you stumble over them in an inappropriate image, so I can't helpp you with your problem, outsideo f suggesting that you search for dragon -my_little_pony

ChaZcaTriX: (I however dislike "hay I drawz in MLP style 'cos it's simple" in the top)

to be conversational.. one of the HARDEST THINGS IN THE WORLD is to draw outside of your usual style. So, I gota say I totally respect people who can do that.

I dont like MLP either, so i hope this will work. I tried blacklisting MLP but it didnt work. Was not happy with getting dozens of pages of nothing but MLP when looking for completely different things.

But hopefully the blacklist will work properly now, now you just need to teach people to use the blacklist and stop complaining about images just because they dont like them.

blacklist has *always* worked.

If it hasnt' been working properly, you're doing it wrong. :)

as for teaching people...

let's click on the work 'wiki' up there at the top of the page.

Oh look, right there, second link, on the page: "For blacklist help"

yeah, right there.

Shy of making it our 'news' or similar.. I don't see how we can make it ANY MORE BLATENT how to use the blacklist.

FelixFox: YES! Get rid all of MLP pictures because they are NOT FURRY!

Fail. Just.. fail, dude. Did you even READ anything in this topic?!

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
Hi troll! Bye troll!

who's trolling? im simply stating a constructive idea to improve

i blacklisted this stupid MLP shit and it still shows up x.x

Lee_dragon said:
i blacklisted this stupid MLP shit and it still shows up x.x

http://www.e621.net/wiki/show?title=blacklist

I want nothing to really change all there are is people hating on mlp

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
Hi troll! Bye troll!

Most of us here have allready learned by age 6 to not love it untell you try it. Well some of us are still figuring that out >:C

Corune said:
I want nothing to really change all there are is people hating on mlp

And the spam, the crossovers, the porn, THE PONIES, OH GOD THE PONIES AAAHH and the profound inability to "deal with it" that a lot of users here seem to have.

I just wish the dusturbing/creepy MLP roleplaying would go away.... It takes place on quite a few images that are great in their own right, and just.... eh. Makes me feel unclean. I don't mind and in fact like quite a bit of the MLP work itself, but the creepy/weird RP needs to stop. >.<

Char said:
We're well aware of the issue with the amount of My Little Pony content that has been flooding the site a bit for the past several months. And we're also well aware that simply blacklisting my_little_pony causes problems browsing the site normally. Believe me, we don't like it either.

People seem to think that the simple answer is just "don't allow My Little Pony anymore". And they're right, that would be the simple answer. However, I, and the e621 team, are not lazy admins. We don't want a simple answer that greatly reduces the amount of (perfectly legitimate) content the site receives. We don't want to point the finger at some of our most dedicated uploaders and tell them "You are TOO dedicated to continue posting the content to this site that you want to share, so you may no longer post any of it at all." That is not fair to them, and it's not fair to great number of people that do enjoy seeing so much My Little Pony on e621. Therefore, we need a better answer.

The better answer is in the works, and comes in the form of two major advancements in site functionality: 1) ALL e621 users will be able to make use of the blacklist, even those without accounts, and 2) The way the site handles blacklisted pictures for users is being completely overhauled, so that you will no longer have empty or nearly-empty pages. Every page will be completely full of art, no matter what you've got blacklisted (unless you blacklist everything, I suppose).

All that this issue with My Little Pony has done is underline a critical area of site functionality that needs to be improved. It is nothing but the site failing to provide you with the experience that you were looking for. Therefore, we will make the site better, and currently plan to do so as mentioned above. But the one answer that we will absolutely not implement, as long as I'm e621's lead admin, is to ban specific content simply because we get too much of it. That is the lazy and destructive way out, and that is not how I'm going to run this site.

[Slow applause, building swiftly to a crescendo.] Bravo, sir! Bravo! I applaud you for being a good administrator. I would suggest that Dragoneer and administrators like him take note of your administrative practices and attempt to adopt and emulate them. 'Don't be a lazy admid' so simple yet so effective.

I just wanted to take the time to applaud this move, Whether or not it was spurred on by MLP.

My only issue was the sheer daily volume of.. Stuff. Not just here but everywhere. I've had MLP crop up on Gaming sites, Games themselves (Everyone and their uncle has a MLP Steam spray these days.) and even a site on Cancer research had a thread hijacked by pony material.

The BlackList worked fine.. Except I'd get logged out of my account, Log back in to find I had to re-fill-out my BlackList every so often.

Still, A good move and hopefully one that'll fill out dem blank gaps in BlackListed pages a bit. :P

123easy said:
I just wish the dusturbing/creepy MLP roleplaying would go away.... It takes place on quite a few images that are great in their own right, and just.... eh. Makes me feel unclean. I don't mind and in fact like quite a bit of the MLP work itself, but the creepy/weird RP needs to stop. >.<

The problem is you're taking it way too seriously. We're always just joking around to add humor to the picture, none of us are actually seriously playing characters here.

Fine, but wouldn't this mean the acutal number of "pages" of a certain tag (or just all posts) to be fewer once the new blacklisting system is taken in? If so wouldn't that mean many bookmarks will be changed from what they originally were?

Char said:
All that this issue with My Little Pony has done is underline a critical area of site functionality that needs to be improved.

Thank GAWD, this has always been a problem, forget MLP pictures, long before the pony stuff just trying to blacklist to only show hetero content already left the site with half the content missing. Thank you for fixing this.

webreakn said:
Fine, but wouldn't this mean the acutal number of "pages" of a certain tag (or just all posts) to be fewer once the new blacklisting system is taken in? If so wouldn't that mean many bookmarks will be changed from what they originally were?

Since they're in reverse chronological order and adding more images always shifts the pages ANYWAY, adding bookmarks to those pages was always stupid and would never yield consistent content.

Awesome, blacklisting this won't be a problem soon hopefully

i actually never had a problem with site navigation with my blacklist for mlp crap? often pages would only have a few thumbs on them, but i happily assumed that was because content was being left out... according to my blacklist! the only mlp junk that i ever see is due to uploaders being too lazy to tag properly :<

as long as the blacklist is being revamped though, i would LOVE to be able to blacklist according to rating. if i could blacklist every flash animation rated safe, it would be a happy day!

/sorry if this possibility has already been discussed. i just skimmed the thread.

ijason said:
i actually never had a problem with site navigation with my blacklist for mlp crap? often pages would only have a few thumbs on them, but i happily assumed that was because content was being left out... according to my blacklist! the only mlp junk that i ever see is due to uploaders being too lazy to tag properly :<

as long as the blacklist is being revamped though, i would LOVE to be able to blacklist according to rating. if i could blacklist every flash animation rated safe, it would be a happy day!

/sorry if this possibility has already been discussed. i just skimmed the thread.

but you CAN already! e621's blacklist engine is THE most advanced one I know of..

type
animation -rating:s
into the blacklist.

The blacklist doesn't need any more features... honestly it's the way posts are handled in search that needs improving.

Aurali said:
type
animation -rating:e -rating:q
into the blacklist.

or flash rating:s?

My only problem with blacklisting it was that there are whole pages totally blocked, will there be a way to combine pages to make a whole one or just skip over ones that are all blacklisted material?

Wow, and I thought it would go unfixed. Three cheers for admins who actually update shit :DDD
The dead empty pages were really getting to me, the anti-pony visibility act will help out a lot of us. :D

lightzero0 said:
My only problem with blacklisting it was that there are whole pages totally blocked, will there be a way to combine pages to make a whole one or just skip over ones that are all blacklisted material?

You should go back and read the first post in this thread. :|