..Really? It took THIS long for the MLP things constant flooding to be noticed and fixed in this manner?

Whatever, at least now black listing it wont create pages of empty space.

Landon said:
..Really? It took THIS long for the MLP things constant flooding to be noticed and fixed in this manner?

You think we're just noticing it now? Really? Aurali has been working on a blacklist fix for a couple days now.

Char said:
We're well aware of the issue with the amount of My Little Pony content that has been flooding the site a bit for the past several months. And we're also well aware that simply blacklisting my_little_pony causes problems browsing the site normally. Believe me, we don't like it either.

People seem to think that the simple answer is just "don't allow My Little Pony anymore". And they're right, that would be the simple answer. However, I, and the e621 team, are not lazy admins. We don't want a simple answer that greatly reduces the amount of (perfectly legitimate) content the site receives. We don't want to point the finger at some of our most dedicated uploaders and tell them "You are TOO dedicated to continue posting the content to this site that you want to share, so you may no longer post any of it at all." That is not fair to them, and it's not fair to great number of people that do enjoy seeing so much My Little Pony on e621. Therefore, we need a better answer.

The better answer is in the works, and comes in the form of two major advancements in site functionality: 1) ALL e621 users will be able to make use of the blacklist, even those without accounts, and 2) The way the site handles blacklisted pictures for users is being completely overhauled, so that you will no longer have empty or nearly-empty pages. Every page will be completely full of art, no matter what you've got blacklisted (unless you blacklist everything, I suppose).

All that this issue with My Little Pony has done is underline a critical area of site functionality that needs to be improved. It is nothing but the site failing to provide you with the experience that you were looking for. Therefore, we will make the site better, and currently plan to do so as mentioned above. But the one answer that we will absolutely not implement, as long as I'm e621's lead admin, is to ban specific content simply because we get too much of it. That is the lazy and destructive way out, and that is not how I'm going to run this site.

What about having a limit on the amount of uploads you can do per day. That way you still would have a good stream of pictures going still but not so much that it would flood. Plus it wouldn't pressure you guys to upgrade the website constantly because its running to slow. there's also the chance you could probably save money too.

Riversyde said:
You think we're just noticing it now? Really? Aurali has been working on a blacklist fix for a couple days now.

Ive been away from the site, Im not on it every single day like some people, but I was getting quite fed up with this problem.

the problem is not mostly MLP art, its the ppl who loves them. They are hating other things so much and it looks like the site is a children place. Before MLP people are respecting other things they dont like but after it, they start to think they own the site!...

I think MLP is not fitting this website nature.. If they wanna share that ponies i guess they are tons of art galeries out there for this kind of clean arts.

But i respect your policy about all art. Just dont forget; you respect them but they mostly not...

Landon said:
..Really? It took THIS long for the MLP things constant flooding to be noticed and fixed in this manner?

Whatever, at least now black listing it wont create pages of empty space.

Or maybe we just didn't have the resources (read: coders) to handle it before?

Don't mean to be a troll here (or anywhere for that matter), but:

Riversyde said:
You think we're just noticing it now? Really? Aurali has been working on a blacklist fix for a couple days now.

Char said:
the amount of My Little Pony content that has been flooding the site a bit for the past several months

But anyway, thanks for fixing the blacklist. For now.

At least something is being done about this. You have no idea how hard it is to fap when you have to go through pages upon pages of MLP related screenshots, reaction images, image macros, and samey fanart (OMGAW SOMEONE DREW GORDON FREEMAN AS A PONY!!1!one!) just to see a few cruddy pics of some marty lookalike getting railed while wearing a hoodie and pouting. I get it, you're absolutely nuts for a show that was created to sell cheap technicolor plastic to 8 year old girls, you don't have to wave it in everyones' face at every freaking opportunity you get. I would've preferred the mods going with the banning/deletion route if only because of the massive potential for highly amusing, semi-literate asspain. I haven't hated a fanbase this much since North America discovered Naruto.

/rage

Sorry, I just had to vent, though it is a little sad to see the the mods actually condone what essentially amounts to spam. Poor e621, rising from the ashes only to drown in a flood of pastel ponies.

xSionx said:
Don't mean to be a troll here (or anywhere for that matter), but:

But anyway, thanks for fixing the blacklist. For now.

Aurali was NOT A CODER for e621 back when the MLP flood started. :| She's been coding on e621 for just a little over a month now... and that was after she learned Ruby On Rails from scratch in order to even work on the site. I'm honestly extremely impressed with the amount of dedication she's shown.

RazielRage said:
What about having a limit on the amount of uploads you can do per day. That way you still would have a good stream of pictures going still but not so much that it would flood.

We already have a post-per-day limit.

Plus it wouldn't pressure you guys to upgrade the website constantly because its running to slow. there's also the chance you could probably save money too.

Yeah well your face is running too slow >:U

Also, guys, you know what would also help ease the flood of MLP art? A flood of the art that YOU want to see instead. We need more uploaders of regular furry art that are just as dedicated as some of our uploaders that focus on MLP. :x

Help balance things back out by uploading more, not by telling others to upload less.

Princess_Celestia said:
The problem is you're taking it way too seriously. We're always just joking around to add humor to the picture, none of us are actually seriously playing characters here.

You most faithful student agrees with you dearly. Lol

Seems to me something like...
Some people hate all the MLP in general, simple blacklist.
Some people enjoy some of the MLP content but annoyed by the rest of it, my only idea is some inventive tagging to assist blacklists.

But my biased and 'tarded solution is -- assimilate and the magic of friendship will flow >:3

Char said:
Help balance things back out by uploading more, not by telling others to upload less.

And so it shall begin, the greatest shitstorm E621 has ever seen. Group One begins uploading lots of [insert genre], Group Two gets pissy and begins uploading lots of [second genre], many forum topics are created bitching about Group One and Group Two, comments are spammed decrying Group One and Group Two...

Bad idea.

How about we just start banning people from now on who insist on being pricks over a type of content being uploaded?

Joan-Michele said:
How about we just start banning people from now on who insist on being pricks over a type of content being uploaded?

THIS. Oh god please this. Please please please please please this.

Char said:
We need more uploaders of regular furry art that are just as dedicated as some of our uploaders that focus on MLP. :x

Help balance things back out by uploading more, not by telling others to upload less.

Not likely, no one should be that dedicated to image posting. Some of us have jobs/the need to see sunlight every so often (gotta get dat vitamin D). What would it hurt to stem the tide a little and give these guys a chance to upload to some actual MLP fansites?

Joan-Michele said:
How about we just start banning people from now on who insist on being pricks over a type of content being uploaded?

It's called blacklist or die <3

I guess if people wanted to see MLP they'd check out ponibooru or sumthin. And then they feel like they want to share with e621...

drages said:
the problem is not mostly MLP art, its the ppl who loves them. They are hating other things so much and it looks like the site is a children place. Before MLP people are respecting other things they dont like but after it, they start to think they own the site!...

Has this been a problem at any point? I've never seen anyone complaining about a lack of MLP in any serious fashion.

drages said:
I think MLP is not fitting this website nature.. If they wanna share that ponies i guess they are tons of art galeries out there for this kind of clean arts.

That's true of every art style and fetish on the board, but it would rather defeat the point of an art archive.

Shatari said:
That's true of every art style and fetish on the board, but it would rather defeat the point of an art archive.

It's an "art archive" now? Never knew this place was so high brow. Maybe I should be wearing a tophat and monocle while I peruse the myriad pictures of horsedongs and pokemon having sex.

You can call this place whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that most of us come here for a certain kind of art in particular, and it isn't Rembrandt or Monet.

At least the site isn't being infested with a certain underaged "baby" obsessed auto-tuning Canadian. And even if e621 was filled with all things Bieber, I'd blacklist and move the fuck on. Stop complaining like a bunch of children...seriously, you're embarassing yourselves and are taking a site inhabited by 90% furry porn WAY too seriously. To poke fun of someone who may post a lot of MLP like they need a life...what does that say about you and your need for furry porn?

Because of e621, I discovered pony on a pure whim. (it was a funny Derpy comic for anyone who is curious) Ever since, I discovered a cool community that isn't all crazy disfunctional like the furry fandom is. Yes, I stated the obvious. ;P I will admit that the way the staff is handling puts them outside the vocal minority. For that, much respect.

Wait...did I discover the secret? Stop making everything self-centered around you. Learn to enjoy the fun things in life and not what you're gonna fap to today. And if you're really artistic, why don't you make a series that'll get popular instead of complaining about one. This isn't a one way street. Those posting pony meme type pics on a site that IS a majority adult site is really inconsiderate on your end. That is very unbrony like. For the lol type pics, take it to Ponibooru or any other MLP *chan.

you just have to improve the site rederlo a bit faster in the visualization of images and if you want to put any kind of art but also put it say only one thing you just have to trust yourself not inport the criticism of others does not give him reason qundi improve the site and not be deterred by such a thing Then we go do your work and continue to maintain this site available so you can be proud of what you have created

Mooshi said:
At least the site isn't being infested with a certain underaged "baby" obsessed auto-tuning Canadian. And even if e621 was filled with all things Bieber, I'd blacklist and move the fuck on. Stop complaining like a bunch of children...seriously, you're embarassing yourselves and are taking a site inhabited by 90% furry porn WAY too seriously. To poke fun of someone who may post a lot of MLP like they need a life...what does that say about you and your need for furry porn?

Because of e621, I discovered pony on a pure whim. (it was a funny Derpy comic for anyone who is curious) Ever since, I discovered a cool community that isn't all crazy disfunctional like the furry fandom is. Yes, I stated the obvious. ;P I will admit that the way the staff is handling puts them outside the vocal minority. For that, much respect.

Wait...did I discover the secret? Stop making everything self-centered around you. Learn to enjoy the fun things in life and not what you're gonna fap to today. And if you're really artistic, why don't you make a series that'll get popular instead of complaining about one. This isn't a one way street. Those posting pony meme type pics on a site that IS a majority adult site is really inconsiderate on your end. That is very unbrony like. For the lol type pics, take it to Ponibooru or any other MLP *chan.

Words of wisdom, everypony :P Listen to this person.

Semi-related to the topic at hand: the Edit Account page doesn't seem to be updating properly. I wanted to change my comment threshold to -3 (to prevent the downvote spammers from hiding legitimate comments) but I get a blank page when I hit "save," after which going back into the Edit Account page shows all my settings haven't changed. Since this is also how people update their blacklists, I thought you guys should know.

But back on the topic at hand, I currently only have "my_little_pony rating:e" as a line in my blacklist (because I don't mind the regular art) and I'm fascinated by how little explicit MLP content there is compared to safe content.

proudhater said:
It's an "art archive" now? Never knew this place was so high brow.

Always has been. Not our fault you didn't notice the 'no shoes, no shirt, no service' sign.

You can call this place whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that most of us come here for a certain kind of art in particular, and it isn't Rembrandt or Monet.

hey, hey, Go log back into your non-sock-puppet account, and add

rating:s
rating:q

to your blacklist. no more "rembrandt" and "monet" standing between you and your cartoon horse cock and tardis-like pussies.

I am wonderfully pleased with this response to the issue. After seeing so many others respond to this type of situation with one extreme or another, I actually did not expect such an open-minded solution. I personally am a huge MLP fan and although I hate the complainers (whom, for some reason, can't choke down a flood of unwanted content as I have in the past), I can still empathize with their feelings. Although it's likely that some will stil not like this solution, I think this is an acceptable compromise for everyone.
I love this site!

drages said:
the problem is not mostly MLP art, its the ppl who loves them. They are hating other things so much and it looks like the site is a children place. Before MLP people are respecting other things they dont like but after it, they start to think they own the site!...

You don't pay much attention to the fanbase then. Bronies don't go onto a picture that's completely unrelated and post "these aren't ponies, this is duuuuumb ololol." Fans *do* get upset when people who hate MLP comment on a piece to intentionally be a jackass.

You should show everyone an example of what you're saying is true ;)

I can't believe how far these people are taking it just ignore it and move. On whit your lives and stop hating on MLP

proudhater said:
It's an "art archive" now? Never knew this place was so high brow. Maybe I should be wearing a tophat and monocle while I peruse the myriad pictures of horsedongs and pokemon having sex.

You can call this place whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that most of us come here for a certain kind of art in particular, and it isn't Rembrandt or Monet.

Why are people upset about MLP but not upset about other uploads that are rated safe or questionable? There's plenty of non-porn content that the community enjoys. We don't all come here to beat the meat. You can also blacklist things that are rated at anything less than sexy.

proudhater said:
Not likely, no one should be that dedicated to image posting. Some of us have jobs/the need to see sunlight every so often (gotta get dat vitamin D). What would it hurt to stem the tide a little and give these guys a chance to upload to some actual MLP fansites?

E621 is a furry image site. MLP stands for My Little Pony. Ponies are equestrian. Anthropomorphic horses qualify as furry. It is completely legitimate to post MLP things to a furry site that hosts both safe and explicit art. Other furry art still outweighs MLP art, but it'd be nice if people were as dedicated as bronies.

I personally don't like avian art. I don't like seeing it, but I don't think it should go away to its own fansite, I just need to ignore it when I see it in a thumbnail.

post #125454SO AWESOME!

Mooshi said:
Because of e621, I discovered pony on a pure whim. (it was a funny Derpy comic for anyone who is curious) Ever since, I discovered a cool community that isn't all crazy disfunctional like the furry fandom is. Yes, I stated the obvious. ;P

e621 is how I found out about MLP too! I watched the first episode out of curiosity once I saw the Derpy meme (who wouldn't want to watch a show where a pony with crossed eyes is dubbed Derpy by its fans) and became a full-fledged brony :3 Thank you e621!

drages said:
the problem is not mostly MLP art, its the ppl who loves them. They are hating other things so much and it looks like the site is a children place. Before MLP people are respecting other things they dont like but after it, they start to think they own the site!...

I think MLP is not fitting this website nature.. If they wanna share that ponies i guess they are tons of art galeries out there for this kind of clean arts.

But i respect your policy about all art. Just dont forget; you respect them but they mostly not...

Whoa, hey now. "We" don't respect other users? No, we get disrespected. I've always, always been polite to the others, I upload my stuff early to keep it out of the main user-bases way {Since for me the average "heavy influx of users" is about 3-9PM} And for the most part, I TELL the admins when I am going to do a large amount of uploading. And most of the other up-loaders here are quite respectful.

Yes I like MLP, Yes I upload MLP, because I leave the furry stuff to Ipiki and Queue, their much more adept at Finding it then I am, and much better at avoiding reposts of furry content. {Save cheetahs, because I freaking LOVE cheetahs}. You know "Why" I don't upload porn of Ponies? Because I have almost no interest in horses in that manner, I like a Lot of the other content on this site, save for two or three fetishes which creep the hell out of me.

TL:DR: Most of us pony uploaders have spare names, most of us do upload furry art and other art as well, most of us DO like other content. Don't just assume things like that.

why not be sneaky and give people an option to automatically put -mlp in their searches? they can view the site normally and have the illusion there's no ponies.

Mole said:
why not be sneaky and give people an option to automatically put -mlp in their searches? they can view the site normally and have the illusion there's no ponies.

This is actually a feature we've been discussing, but it'd really be better for the server if we could improve the functionality of the blacklist instead so all blacklist processing still occurs client-side. Plus, having to specify "-my_little_pony" in a search means they have 1 less tag that they can use before hitting the maximum amount of tags they're allowed to search for in a single query.

Well at least this should quiet down the debate.

I don't care much for the pony thing either way, I just ignore rather than blacklist. I think one of the reasons people have been so vocal about it is that while MLP content volume might be low now, anyone can see that there is no end to the image macros and memes and screencaps and so on and so forth being generated elsewhere. It seemed inevitable that this would all continue to be dumped into e621, and eventually that low volume would become much higher and harder to ignore, with moderators unable to keep up and enforce quality control.

Recall the Ruto flood which garnered the ire of many users; the response from moderators was appropriate because it obviously couldn't carry on forever, so there was no real need for people to get as upset as they were. Furthermore, it was art being posted, even if some of it was low quality. Unlike that scenario, however, anyone can see that MLP content is going to carry on for much, much longer, so that's why I think the nature of this debate is fundamentally different. Ultimately, with the new blacklist functionality there's no excuse for people who just don't want to see anything MLP-related, but as other users have mentioned, there's a clear line between the endless memes/screencaps/etc. and actual art. There's no real means of filtering it at that level of granularity, so the improved blacklist still isn't going to ultimately resolve the issue.

I certainly understand that moderators have been making an effort to enforce some level of quality control on the MLP uploads, and it's not really up to the users to decide what those standards should be, but the moderators' standards are not explicitly listed anywhere and have proven to be rather inconsistent from moderator to moderator. Furthermore, these standards seem to be inconsistent with the standards used to handle other content on this site. I'm not going to accuse moderators of approving "low quality" MLP content while disapproving better quality non-MLP content since those terms are subjective, but it certainly seems like those approval thresholds are different. When posters are just taking the latest MLP image macro from the latest 4chan thread and throwing it here, it's understandable why many users are loathe to consider that worthwhile content and want to see it removed. When the response to this is "blacklist or die" and to squash forum discussions and inject personal views under what should be a professional capacity, it just makes it seem like certain moderators are being biased and determining what is an acceptable post based on whether the image is MLP or not. Whether or not this is actually true is beside the point; if there actually is a standard, many users seem to not know what it is and who if anyone is following it. If there is no standard, well then you can't really complain when users get upset about unfairness. In either case it just makes the entire staff look like they have no control or don't care much about what users think, and if this is untrue, then better efforts need to be made to reach users and say, "This is our quality standard, we will enforce it and hold our moderators to it, and if they don't, you can call them out on it and we will correct the issue."

So I think another improvement this site could use is better transparency and impartiality about policies. More threads like this one, decisive feedback from those in charge, and a solid gauge by which to measure moderators' performance. Users need to be able to call out moderators for bias or poor performance (maturely, of course) without fearing retaliation in the form of hostile responses and negative records for "inciting drama," even if we turn out to be wrong, because otherwise it seems like we have no recourse under any circumstances and only breeds further drama and hostility.

If any of what I'm saying sounds wrong or misinformed, it's simply because whatever is "correct" is not being made clear enough, and surely I'm not the only user who is failing to receive the proper signals. The MLP debate has called into question more than just the functionality of the site, so I hope the discussion won't end here and will be taken seriously.

If there's anything to be suggested for the blacklist's capabilities, it's this:

I noticed that whenever I've blacklisted anything (could be "death", or "hyper_cock", or something trivial like "my_little_pony"), comments about said blacklisted item still show up.
I don't know about anyone else, but seeing the "blacklisted" pic next to a slue of comments related to it or about it is like a series of scabs; they're there and I don't wanna know it's there.

Actually there's another blacklist idea I'd like to suggest:
I got the idea from a dialog between a few users' comments on a picture that they found offensive (I didn't mind it). The comment roughly stated/asked about blacklisting uploads from certain users.
Honestly, this idea sounded/sounds rather good, and has merit to it!

Is there anyone else that agrees/disagrees/whatever?

its going soo long....

I am surprised that there is so few adult material (maybe non) about this mlp even its so famous. I love horses and some sexual material about MLP can change the ideas of anti MLP ppl.

We need uploaders and artists for this urgently! If you are looking for some art at this kind of galery website, you should have a dark side for sure (I dont think all MLP fans here just show fans who are 7-10 years old).

So they can make peace between lovers and haters.. i didnt watch and probably wont watch it but there should be some big evil draft type male ponies at that world... isnt it? (if not, they need to add them..)

Great solution!

I really don't mind all the MLP stuff here...though it does kinda bug me when there are 3-5 pages of just MLP and some of the quality of the MLP stuff is sometimes really low...just my ten cents though.

drages said:
its going soo long....

I am surprised that there is so few adult material (maybe non) about this mlp even its so famous. I love horses and some sexual material about MLP can change the ideas of anti MLP ppl.

We need uploaders and artists for this urgently! If you are looking for some art at this kind of galery website, you should have a dark side for sure (I dont think all MLP fans here just show fans who are 7-10 years old).

So they can make peace between lovers and haters.. i didnt watch and probably wont watch it but there should be some big evil draft type male ponies at that world... isnt it? (if not, they need to add them..)

There can be no peace "between lovers and haters" because the haters don't really hate the cartoon, they hate the sort of people who upload 20+ MLP pictures a day and can't stop talking about how fluttershy is their waifu. Do you think even more MLP is going to help?

Beeseverywhere said:
There can be no peace "between lovers and haters" because the haters don't really hate the cartoon, they hate the sort of people who upload 20+ MLP pictures a day and can't stop talking about how fluttershy is their waifu. Do you think even more MLP is going to help?

very good point.. i dont say put more, i say change regular ones with dirty ones.

Beeseverywhere said:
There can be no peace "between lovers and haters" because the haters don't really hate the cartoon, they hate the sort of people who upload 20+ MLP pictures a day and can't stop talking about how fluttershy is their waifu. Do you think even more MLP is going to help?

Why can't you just ignore them? You don't have to see comments about Bronies creaming their pants over Rarity's ass if you don't want to. And if it's really the fans you hate, you need to remember that the fans didn't come to the site explicitly to spam an already established community, these are our members who have adopted a new interest.

I am curious as to what some members here think classifies as a "Meme" and what doesn't. As I haven't uploaded any memetic stuff in a long ass time. And 99% of the meme's {Save for one off pictures, one time things or a template base to use elsewhere, and if their rather amusing} tend to get deleted on the same day.

proudhater said:
You can call this place whatever you want,

Then I shall call it "Bob". Hey Char, the name change won't inconvenience you guys, will it?

proudhater said:
but it doesn't change the fact that most of us come here for a certain kind of art in particular, and it isn't Rembrandt or Monet.

So learn to use your blacklist?

Morhe said:
But back on the topic at hand, I currently only have "my_little_pony rating:e" as a line in my blacklist (because I don't mind the regular art) and I'm fascinated by how little explicit MLP content there is compared to safe content.

Personally, I like the clean stuff better than the porn.

trauma fox: I certainly understand that moderators have been making an effort to enforce some level of quality control on the MLP uploads, and it's not really up to the users to decide what those standards should be, but the moderators' standards are not explicitly listed anywhere and have proven to be rather inconsistent from moderator to moderator. Furthermore, these standards seem to be inconsistent with the standards used to handle other content on this site.

*rubs forehead*
*clicks over to http://www.e621.net/post/index?tags=my_little_pony *

let's see...

32 images.. right now, about a 1/3rd of them are cute, 1/3rd of them are 'sexy', and 1/3rd of them are 'everythign else... which is to say, crossover images (3), comics, memish images, or just generalized art. There were *two* pictures I thought were KINDA memeish: Celestia and the koolade man, and the ponies posed as 'the last supper'... neither of which were poorly drawn, and both of which were VERY different from "why cna't I hold all of these apples'.

there were... 5 pictures drawn by one artist that were basically a sketch with some color thrown behind it, that might have been drawn my a less talented artist.

on the next page of 32... well, there are a few pieces that are slightly less then amazing, but certainly better then *I* could draw. not seeing any blanent memes...

okay. 10 pages back, and i've only found 2 or three meme looking things... a couple 'odd funny' things that might be memes... 2 or 3 pits of art that I might have considered deleting for being poor quality (but considering the artist in question has 6 other drawings posted... yeah)

what I did not see are screen caps with captions on them, pointlessly captioned images, horrible pieces of art or other things that probablydon't last on the site for more then 12 hours.

now, PAST THAT... how would you SUGGEST standards be written? how do you explain quality? "lines must a straight?" "art must be shiney?" "well colored"? i think the general rule of thumb is 'Not crappy' which is.. pretty subjective. No matter *how* you verbalize art standards... it's STILL up to personal intereptation. Even with illustrated guidelines.... it's STILL.. up to personal interpretation.

hell, mood can make considerably effect here as well: feel happy one day, approve the borderline image. Feel crappy the next, delete the same images.

So I think another improvement this site could use is better transparency and impartiality about policies. More threads like this one, decisive feedback from those in charge, and a solid gauge by which to measure moderators' performance. Users need to be able to call out moderators for bias or poor performance (maturely, of course) without fearing retaliation in the form of hostile responses and negative records for "inciting drama," even if we turn out to be wrong, because otherwise it seems like we have no recourse under any circumstances and only breeds further drama and hostility.

http://www.e621.net/forum/show/12841 <-- oh hey, "The Feedback Thread"

Shatari said:
Personally, I like the clean stuff better than the porn.

So do I! I actually like the show, hence blacklisting explicit stuff; I do not want my childlike fascination with the show tarnished. One not-so-fun thing about becoming and adult is that it's hard to find anything you can just enjoy for what it is >.<

TraumaFox said:
but as other users have mentioned, there's a clear line between the endless memes/screencaps/etc. and actual art. There's no real means of filtering it at that level of granularity, so the improved blacklist still isn't going to ultimately resolve the issue.

I honestly do not see very many meme or screencap pictures here: http://e621.net/post?tags=my_little_pony&searchDefault=Search

There might be a few, yes, but I think the actual amount is being WAY overblown by people complaining about how many there are. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

TraumaFox said:
I certainly understand that moderators have been making an effort to enforce some level of quality control on the MLP uploads, and it's not really up to the users to decide what those standards should be, but the moderators' standards are not explicitly listed anywhere and have proven to be rather inconsistent from moderator to moderator. Furthermore, these standards seem to be inconsistent with the standards used to handle other content on this site. I'm not going to accuse moderators of approving "low quality" MLP content while disapproving better quality non-MLP content since those terms are subjective, but it certainly seems like those approval thresholds are different. When posters are just taking the latest MLP image macro from the latest 4chan thread and throwing it here, it's understandable why many users are loathe to consider that worthwhile content and want to see it removed. When the response to this is "blacklist or die" and to squash forum discussions and inject personal views under what should be a professional capacity, it just makes it seem like certain moderators are being biased and determining what is an acceptable post based on whether the image is MLP or not.

Again, I am simply not seeing the flood of macros. They might exist on the site temporarily, but they will ultimately be deleted as moderators can get to them.

The issue of a lack of professionalism and tact in moderation is one that I'm constantly and gradually dealing with. Some moderators tend to stoop down to "bad user level" often in an attempt to try to get their point across, and that's not acceptable to me. But I also have to make sure I don't lose the help I've currently got. I need to always be on good terms with the moderators; I need for them to trust me, and they need for me to trust them. If that's ever lost, or if I make moderating not "fun" or "interesting" anymore, I risk losing their help. Like the site, I believe in working with people in an attempt to improve what I think needs improving, and not just dumping them immediately after a couple of screw-ups.[/quote]

TraumaFox said:
Whether or not this is actually true is beside the point; if there actually is a standard, many users seem to not know what it is and who if anyone is following it. If there is no standard, well then you can't really complain when users get upset about unfairness. In either case it just makes the entire staff look like they have no control or don't care much about what users think, and if this is untrue, then better efforts need to be made to reach users and say, "This is our quality standard, we will enforce it and hold our moderators to it, and if they don't, you can call them out on it and we will correct the issue."

The problem with standards on artwork is that it's going to be entirely subjective. Even if we lay out a standard saying "if the line-art of a picture is not clean, it will be removed", we THEN have to define what "clean" is, and even THEN there's going to be disagreement among moderators and users alike over the definition of "clean", or whether a picture's line-art fits that definition.

The best standards we can put in place are objective ones, standards where there is very little if any room for interpretation. Standards like "if a picture CONTAINS x, it will be removed". We certainly do have standards like those.

TraumaFox said:
So I think another improvement this site could use is better transparency and impartiality about policies. More threads like this one, decisive feedback from those in charge, and a solid gauge by which to measure moderators' performance. Users need to be able to call out moderators for bias or poor performance (maturely, of course) without fearing retaliation in the form of hostile responses and negative records for "inciting drama," even if we turn out to be wrong, because otherwise it seems like we have no recourse under any circumstances and only breeds further drama and hostility.

I completely agree. Again, I'll continue working with moderators to improve their moderating style. I can say that they certainly have improved during the months that they've been moderators, but there's always room for more improvement (myself included).

I really appreciate all of your feedback! It will certainly help us out. :)

As a MlP enthusiast and a casual e621 lurker, I thank you for all the efforts you put into preserving the site content so that everyone can enjoy it ! Good job mods !

Char said:
http://www.e621.net/wiki/show?title=blacklist

thx bubba

lookyloo said:
post #135875

LOOOOOOOLLLL
post #133125
post #130684

S'why I love this site. Admins are proactive; no simple solutions where a complex one will suffice!

Kerish said:
S'why I love this site. Admins are proactive; no simple solutions where a complex one will suffice!

No half-assed solutions where a correct one will suffice!

I don't have a problem with there being a lot of MLP content.

I have a problem with 90% of the mountains of MLP content being fucking retarded image macros.

Trizzish said:
I don't have a problem with there being a lot of MLP content.

I have a problem with 90% of the mountains of MLP content being fucking retarded image macros.

I have a problem with 90% of furry images being image macro...oh wait, their not all image macros. And neither are the pony images.

Trizzish said:
I don't have a problem with there being a lot of MLP content.

I have a problem with 90% of the mountains of MLP content being fucking retarded image macros.

Would you please send me links to the 2430-ish MLP image macros we have. I must totally be missing them. They're totally not tagged either. Would you please be a dear and tag all of them? The last image_macro my_little_pony image was posted 17 days ago, the one before that, a month ago. So someone clearly has a lot of work to do, tagging all of those My_little_pony Image_macros. HEY! since yo'll be linking them to me, how about YOU go ahead and tag these images? that'd help us all out! Thanks sugar cube, you're a real peach! :D

Trizzish said:
I have a problem with 90% of the mountains of MLP content being fucking retarded image macros.

Until someone actually provides proof of this, I'm disregarding any further claims that we have a lot of MLP image macros.

Char said:
Until someone actually provides proof of this, I'm disregarding any further claims that we have a lot of MLP image macros.

:3

Princess_Celestia said:
Because we're Not a "Furry porn site" we're a "Furry image archive"

Actually it's just an image archive, or possibly a porn archive, furry is hardly standard. Sorry

I just wish for some constraint for the images, genuine art is nice, but half ass crossovers and image macros shouldn't make it. Personal opinion anyways. The problem with blacklist is I don't want to kill it, I just want to see the actual 25% that is good

"predominantly furry archive" then, if you want to be semantical. And far more than a mere 1/4th of all images here are good, but of course 250% of all statistics are made up on the internet.

@Trauma_Fox: e621 has an open administrative policy, you see everything we do.

You ask for professionalism, which is good and fine, I'm all for that, but you show no restraint yourself.

Now I will mention again that blacklist or die is the beginning of an increase on taking out bad comments, e621 has backpedaled into a "4chan like state" and this isn't going to fly anymore. Users who are mean and intolerable will be recieving account degragations.

IE: you attacked a user for posting mlp, they were reprimanded for responding bad, and you were. However, you got yourself unbanned, stating the exact rule you currently are attacking as an excuse, and taking the unbanning as liberty to CONTINUE attacking, at that point you were reprimanded again. Now what should have we done in this situation differently?

The "crackdown" on forum threads is also a miscommunication. We had 12. Why have 12 open? Because people can't read? We close duplicate threads.

Now this isn't a hug box. However this isn't /b/ either, we are at least trying to find a middle ground.

And i'm very thankful for that. The old system... didn't work so well. Even if we don't personally agree with any decisions, at least you're all being honest, fair, and upfront about it. More than I can say for a lot of forum sites.

TraumaFox said:
Bawl bawl

post #140158

I like this idea. its better to let people blacklist what they dont like instead of forcing it. I know i dont like MLP but i have to admit, it is ligit art and some is kinda hot...SOME. I approve this solution. -Puts official approval stamp on this-

Well, this addresses my main problem with the issue.

Not so much the actual content, but the sheer volume. I'll admit the show is well done; just like music can be well done. But you know, if you start hearing that song every single time you turn on the radio... over and over... after a while you just wanna throw the radio out the window and track down the recording artist and have a big 'ol wicker man festival.

So, yes, I blacklisted it; and when many times, I'd do a blanket search for 'female', I'd end up with 3-4 pages in a row with 1-5 images.

That was my problem. Glad to hear it's being fixed.

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
Actually, all it really did was underline just how impressively intolerant and belligerent people are. Instead of overhauling the site to mollify a (very vocal) group of people, I personally believe the best course of action would have been to crack down on the ridiculous amount of complaining.

But your method is good, too. Yay Char!

YEA THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, LETS NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO BLACKLIST MLP

fuck off, dumbass. people are going to complain no matter what.

ghostrider323 said:
YEA THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, LETS NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO BLACKLIST MLP

fuck off, dumbass. people are going to complain no matter what.

Yeah, except the mature people, who can live with things. Like what i do on a daily basis.

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
Actually, all it really did was underline just how impressively intolerant and belligerent people are. Instead of overhauling the site to mollify a (very vocal) group of people, I personally believe the best course of action would have been to crack down on the ridiculous amount of complaining.

But your method is good, too. Yay Char!

Is this the right attitude?

ghostrider323 said:
YEA THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, LETS NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO BLACKLIST MLP

fuck off, dumbass. people are going to complain no matter what.

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Ya it seems the defenders use the same blanketing assumptions they accuse the others of

mlp is just a stupid meme. let people complain about it. something that stupid deserves lots of negative comments.

That having been said, how can people like http://www.e621.net/user/show/35946
get upgraded accounts after flooding the site with this crap?

I propose a limit of 5 "my_little_pony" and "friendship_is_magic" posts per user per day. This way the select few who appear to be obsessed with it won't be able to flood the site.

I'm not being intolerant. I'm allowing these people to live.

hg3300 said:
mlp is just a stupid meme. let people complain about it. something that stupid deserves lots of negative comments.

That having been said, how can people like http://www.e621.net/user/show/35946
get upgraded accounts after flooding the site with this crap?

I propose a limit of 5 "my_little_pony" and "friendship_is_magic" posts per user per day. This way the select few who appear to be obsessed with it won't be able to flood the site.

I'm not being intolerant. I'm allowing these people to live.

You know how I got my upgraded account? By finding good art, refraining from uploading reposts, doing plenty of tag fixes, flagging other MLP posts for deletions, not bitching in the forums, and over all, being a Good User. Try it some time.

On that note, if we "Impose a limit" why don't we just limit gay art, because its a "Stupid meme" too, or any crossover work, infact, lets just limit all uploads to 5 per day from every user. Just to keep it fair :D Just because "You" don't like something, doesn't mean it's a "Meme" I like the show, I like the art, some of the art is simply amazing and well done.

THIS is a meme post #131762
This is Not a Meme post #140291
This is a meme post #117369

Princess_Celestia said:
You know how I got my upgraded account? By finding good art, refraining from uploading reposts, doing plenty of tag fixes, flagging other MLP posts for deletions, not bitching in the forums, and over all, being a Good User. Try it some time.

On that note, if we "Impose a limit" why don't we just limit gay art, because its a "Stupid meme" too, or any crossover work, infact, lets just limit all uploads to 5 per day from every user. Just to keep it fair :D Just because "You" don't like something, doesn't mean it's a "Meme" I like the show, I like the art, some of the art is simply amazing and well done.

THIS is a meme post #131762
This is Not a Meme post #140291
This is a meme post #117369

a lot of people don't enjoy/like MLP and you're flooding the site with it. That's my only problem with it. It's excessive.

I don't see how "finding good art" entails flooding the site with the same kinds of art repeatedly.

However, I will *live* with blacklisting all MLP so there's nothing to worry about.

Princess_Celestia said:
You know how I got my upgraded account? By finding good art, refraining from uploading reposts, doing plenty of tag fixes, flagging other MLP posts for deletions, not bitching in the forums, and over all, being a Good User. Try it some time.

On that note, if we "Impose a limit" why don't we just limit gay art, because its a "Stupid meme" too, or any crossover work, infact, lets just limit all uploads to 5 per day from every user. Just to keep it fair :D Just because "You" don't like something, doesn't mean it's a "Meme" I like the show, I like the art, some of the art is simply amazing and well done.

THIS is a meme post #131762
This is Not a Meme post #140291
This is a meme post #117369

Maybe the art is amazing, but it seems excessive to constantly hog the front page with MLP.

However, I will live with blacklisting this stuff so there's no problem. It's just a pet peeve of mine. I will get over it, but I don't have to like it.

double post sorry.