Topic: "Do we have a tag for that" thread

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To make sure search results leading to this topic have an answer to this:

zeorp said:
I just noticed dude has been aliased away to male.

Bro still exists, but if dude was destroyed I fear that may be next. A decent number of accurate searches were washed away with that alias for a very specific theme. The "bros being bros" "dudes being dudes" thing is a very specific theme. Is there a tag for that? Who knows how many were washed away with that alias if there isn't one I'm not aware of.

It was brought up in the alias topic about there being a tag for "a single word" not making sense. But in this case it absolutely did in that context. But perhaps another tag is a better alternative. Does one exist?

Here's a SFW example:
post #4614844

NSFW examples:
post #2362592
post #3125937

It's related to the whole "no homo" joke, but it's not exactly the same thing.

From the alias topic:

dba_afish said:
what theme? looking through the posts it seems to me to be a pretty big mess, most but not all of the posts are the bros_being_bros dynamic, most but not all of them are posts with frat_boys, quite a few of them contain no dialogue, quite a few don't really fit anything I'd really call bro-y at all.

Thank you, bros_being_bros looks like exactly it. I'm not sure how I missed it's a tag, considering I literally typed it in my question in this topic.

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snpthecat said:
You might want to use dominant human
Actually, just that tag might be good enough since a post'll need nonhumans to pass the relevancy criteria. Or substitute interspecies domination with just interspecies (when combining with dominant human), since the former is less likely to be tagged

Uhm, isn't that a sexual fetish tag? Seems like that could be confused with the BDSM crowd's terminology.

major_meme said:
Hey, quick question: is there a tag that would be like “human supremacy”? Humans being portrayed as superior to anthros or ferals/etc. We have a tag for Raceplay and interspecies dominance, but not for human supremacy.

Unless specific species supremacy shouldn’t be tagged? I mean I suppose I could just mix ‘interspecies dominance’ and ‘human’ but then I would get entries that show humans being dominated, which is kinda the opposite of what I want.

I'll see if I can find another answer that doesn't conflict with the dom/sub tags. A good series for that theme is the Extinctioners comics by ebonyleopard. Humans are dicks in that series.

:edit: Actually, I don't see any tag for humans specifically acting that way towards other species. It's probably for a reason? Closest I can remember is petplay.

post #422682
post #422681
I'm needing some clarification on mostly_nude/partially_clothed for these two. Any ideas? AFAICT with the Wiki definitions and actual use, it 'feels' like the difference is in her having panties and convenient censorship of the nipples in the first pic, but not the second.

post #4516538 Anthro or humanoid? Seems humanoid with anthro-style head but not sure.

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alphamule said:
Uhm, isn't that a sexual fetish tag? Seems like that could be confused with the BDSM crowd's terminology.

I'll see if I can find another answer that doesn't conflict with the dom/sub tags. A good series for that theme is the Extinctioners comics by ebonyleopard. Humans are dicks in that series.

:edit: Actually, I don't see any tag for humans specifically acting that way towards other species. It's probably for a reason? Closest I can remember is petplay.

post #422682
post #422681
I'm needing some clarification on mostly_nude/partially_clothed for these two. Any ideas? AFAICT with the Wiki definitions and actual use, it 'feels' like the difference is in her having panties and convenient censorship of the nipples in the first pic, but not the second.

post #4516538 Anthro or humanoid? Seems humanoid with anthro-style head but not sure.

I'm pretty sure that first picture is actually fully_clothed. It would be partially_clothed if part of it was pushed to the side or pulled down to expose her. People in the real world wear tops like that, literally taped to them to avoid wardrobe_malfunction.

The last picture is anthro, but you could tag semi-anthro in addition to that, and humanoid_hands. I don't think a hairless body instantly means humanoid overall, but it could warrant semi_anthro in that case? I don't have time to help tag that right now or I would, but it could use quite a few of them such as tan_skin.

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zeorp said:
I'm pretty sure that first picture is actually fully_clothed. It would be partially_clothed if part of it was pushed to the side or pulled down to expose her. People in the real world wear tops like that, literally taped to them to avoid wardrobe_malfunction.

The last picture is anthro, but you could tag semi-anthro in addition to that, and humanoid_hands. I don't think a hairless body instantly means humanoid overall, but it could warrant semi_anthro in that case? I don't have time to help tag that right now or I would, but it could use quite a few of them such as tan_skin.

OK, until I'm more clear on understanding, I'll just let someone else figure out the first 2. I was cleaning up bare_body tag. topic #36811
I added the tags you suggested to the Rouge post.

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zeorp said:
The last picture is anthro, but you could tag semi-anthro in addition to that, and humanoid_hands. I don't think a hairless body instantly means humanoid overall, but it could warrant semi_anthro in that case? I don't have time to help tag that right now or I would, but it could use quite a few of them such as tan_skin.

semi-anthro is for characters that are between anthro and feral, not between anthro and humanoid. For that particular case going on purely TWYS, it would probably count as humanoid since it appears to be a normal human body with an animal head and wings.

watsit said:
semi-anthro is for characters that are between anthro and feral, not between anthro and humanoid. For that particular case going on purely TWYS, it would probably count as humanoid since it appears to be a normal human body with an animal head and wings.

Clearly I shouldn't have read that just before bed. Thanks for the correction.

alphamule , I did not properly understand semi-anthro as stated above, sorry!

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zeorp said:
Clearly I shouldn't have read that just before bed. Thanks for the correction.

alphamule , I did not properly understand semi-anthro as stated above, sorry!

It's cool. It got fixed.

watsit said:
semi-anthro is for characters that are between anthro and feral, not between anthro and humanoid. For that particular case going on purely TWYS, it would probably count as humanoid since it appears to be a normal human body with an animal head and wings.

I... have no idea why I didn't question tagging it semi-anthro. Yeah, not even feral.
I changed it to humanoid. I should have gone with my first guess in the first place. :shrugs:
Thanks!

Do we have a tag for when a character is penetrating another character while they are still wearing an undergarment of some kind?

Example: post #4794599

foolysh said:
Do we have a tag for when a character is penetrating another character while they are still wearing an undergarment of some kind?

Example: post #4794599

Unless I'm missing something, you can't see that he's still wearing it. So that would be more obscured_anal and obscured_penetration, I believe. (ambiguous_penetration is a tag but I think there's enough clear that obscured_anal qualifies here.)

What does trip me up is the belt. The mostly_nude tag suggests nothing in that area of the body at all. But belt doesn't implicate clothing either. So I'm not sure if mostly_nude, mostly_nude_male, and mostly_nude_anthro apply. If not it's probably partially_clothed, partially_clothed_male, and partially_clothed_anthro, for that particular character's tags.

Hypothetically, if I'm wrong or if there's some indication in the bottom panel he's wearing anything below the belt, there are several ways to tag it. I don't know if that qualifies as latex_bottomwear and/or speedo, or underwear, so I'm not addressing that, since this is hypothetical.

There are a lot of ways the rest of the tags may fall in that case:
clothed_sex

And with clothed_sex, more tags may be relevant in that case depending on what is obvious from what is seen:
poking_out (I was wrong to list this, I think.)
penis_through_fly
penis_through_leghole
open_pants
bottomwear_aside
(insert clothing item if the tag exists)_aside
And probably many other tags, but those are just examples.

orphan_crippler said:
Does this count as coiling?
post #4410428

I confess my mind isn't fully understanding what's going on in that image. The wiki specifies one character is doing it to another, so unless I'm missing something I don't think so.

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foolysh said:
Do we have a tag for when a character is penetrating another character while they are still wearing an undergarment of some kind?

Example: post #4794599

Both clothing penetration and clothed penetration seem like they are used for when a penetration is done through some sort of clothing. Neither tag has a wiki article written for it, but at the time of writing, "clothing penetration" has more tagged posts (45 vs 20).
IMO, "clothed penetration" would be a better-fitting tag for that situation. To me "clothing penetration", could also mean penetrating through a hole or something, or actually fucking the cloth. On the other hand, "clothed penetration" sounds like it might be a weird synonym for clothed sex. Just my opinion though, I don't think there's a clear choice on what to use.
Could also make a tag that's less ambiguous and very specific for that situation, something like "clothing around penetration" or "penetration through clothing".

Hello everyone.
Is there a tag or tag combo for a picture of someone with a penis inviting the viewver to sit on it? With or without text.

Like a 'It ain't gonna suck itself.' kinda pic, but for anal/inviting the viewver to ride them.

I love these kind of pics, but when i'm in the mood for anal, all the pics i found have that very low angle that makes it look more like an oral invitation.

Exemple of the kind of pic i'm looking for :
https://preview.redd.it/roxanne-the-gaming-cjair-kwkhao-v0-k0xlu2mo2y1d1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=756b610ed5b5d94d4200fd9b6bc8c0630754c667

zeorp said:
I confess my mind isn't fully understanding what's going on in that image. The wiki specifies one character is doing it to another, so unless I'm missing something I don't think so.

The character on the sofa playing is a slug humanoid, she is using her bottom half to cover herself similar to a snake doing this post #2299593 (didn't find a better example)

Best I could find was coiling but as you said it seems to require a partner instead of doing it on itself.

mikaltubeyou said:
Hello everyone.
Is there a tag or tag combo for a picture of someone with a penis inviting the viewver to sit on it? With or without text.

Like a 'It ain't gonna suck itself.' kinda pic, but for anal/inviting the viewver to ride them.

I love these kind of pics, but when i'm in the mood for anal, all the pics i found have that very low angle that makes it look more like an oral invitation.

Exemple of the kind of pic i'm looking for :
https://preview.redd.it/roxanne-the-gaming-cjair-kwkhao-v0-k0xlu2mo2y1d1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=756b610ed5b5d94d4200fd9b6bc8c0630754c667

presenting_penis
I don't personally know if there are more specific tags, but I'm 99% sure that's what it's for.

high-angle_view or adding -low-angle_view Might help narrow the search if things are tagged.

zeorp said:
Unless I'm missing something, you can't see that he's still wearing it. So that would be more obscured_anal and obscured_penetration, I believe. (ambiguous_penetration is a tag but I think there's enough clear that obscured_anal qualifies here.)

What does trip me up is the belt. The mostly_nude tag suggests nothing in that area of the body at all. But belt doesn't implicate clothing either. So I'm not sure if mostly_nude, mostly_nude_male, and mostly_nude_anthro apply. If not it's probably partially_clothed, partially_clothed_male, and partially_clothed_anthro, for that particular character's tags.

Hypothetically, if I'm wrong or if there's some indication in the bottom panel he's wearing anything below the belt, there are several ways to tag it. I don't know if that qualifies as latex_bottomwear and/or speedo, or underwear, so I'm not addressing that, since this is hypothetical.

There are a lot of ways the rest of the tags may fall in that case:
clothed_sex

And with clothed_sex, more tags may be relevant in that case depending on what is obvious from what is seen:
poking_out (I was wrong to list this, I think.)
penis_through_fly
penis_through_leghole
open_pants
bottomwear_aside
(insert clothing item if the tag exists)_aside
And probably many other tags, but those are just examples.

I confess my mind isn't fully understanding what's going on in that image. The wiki specifies one character is doing it to another, so unless I'm missing something I don't think so.

Well, I know it sort of breaks the cardinal rule of "Tag What You See", but in the context of this comic, both the Lion and the Polar Bear are wearing a symbiote dronesuit that they are physically incapable of removing from his bodies, can change into different types of clothes, but are always covering their crotch. So when ever they do the nasty their is always something covering their genitals.

Do we have a tag when a character keeps (after giving a blowjob) the cum in their open mouth forming like a little puddle? Usually it involves a high-angle_view.
After uploading post #4804649 it crossed my mind (referring to the central scene)

clawstripe said:
That would be a discussion best moved to a thread of its own, as we've had several of similar nature already.

The most recent example: https://e621.net/forum_topics/29383

Wait I'm not often on the forums but did you actually link me to a 3 year old thread for a different tag and consider that a relevant conversation? How about we actually resolve the problem. You can reinstate "wholesome" with a specific set of rules as defined by the wiki instead of purge a niche tag. Actually now instead of mild curiosity I'm slightly annoyed because a tag that COULD have been better defined by the wiki in just a minute or two is instead now condemned to purgatory, with no suitable replacement, for no good reason. I'm going to be bothering the mods about this one now, thanks for your time.

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yarizui said:
Wait I'm not often on the forums but did you actually link me to a 3 year old thread for a different tag and consider that a relevant conversation? How about we actually resolve the problem. You can reinstate "wholesome" with a specific set of rules as defined by the wiki instead of purge a niche tag. Actually now instead of mild curiosity I'm slightly annoyed because a tag that COULD have been better defined by the wiki in just a minute or two is instead now condemned to purgatory, with no suitable replacement, for no good reason. I'm going to be bothering the mods about this one now, thanks for your time.

I recommend reading the thread, as while it's first message is 3 years old, activity and conversation is recent. Then there's also the fact that it's where wholesome got unaliased from invalid_tag in the first place

Can we use penis_in_nipple or penis_in_breast alongside most nipple_penetration posts? This is mainly for blacklisting purposes since I don't dislike an object inside a nipple, but I sure hate most images of a penis inside a breast

orphan_crippler said:
Can we use penis_in_nipple or penis_in_breast alongside most nipple_penetration posts? This is mainly for blacklisting purposes since I don't dislike an object inside a nipple, but I sure hate most images of a penis inside a breast

is this a question or a request?

Do you guys have an tag for posts wich the original source no longer exists?
Like an normal image but when you check the source, it either leards to an Error 410 or to an completely different page

orphan_crippler said:
Request

I think the edit page needs to have a strongly worded suggestion list on it, such as looking for and using the most specific tag possible so that you only need to add one and implications will take care of the rest. So if someone only tags penis_in_nipple it will automatically tag nipple_penetration.

Honestly it would really help if there were a bunch of tags with flags on them so when someone edits a pic it highlights all of them with "is it possible for you to be more specific about these?" Even if it's just, say, the top 20 mistagged/undertagged or so, like penetration and vore and gaping.

kevsnowcat said:
I think the edit page needs to have a strongly worded suggestion list on it, such as looking for and using the most specific tag possible so that you only need to add one and implications will take care of the rest. So if someone only tags penis_in_nipple it will automatically tag nipple_penetration.

if you're suggesting that the edit box would automatically update with implied tags as you went? that would probably add a lot of lag I've seen websites that become pretty much entirely unusable when they try to do stuff like this. it also might be kind of annoying if a single errant Tab input or missclick on the auto-complete causes you to add like four or five tags that are unrelated to what you intended.

dba_afish said:
if you're suggesting that the edit box would automatically update with implied tags as you went? that would probably add a lot of lag I've seen websites that become pretty much entirely unusable when they try to do stuff like this. it also might be kind of annoying if a single errant Tab input or missclick on the auto-complete causes you to add like four or five tags that are unrelated to what you intended.

I honestly forgot this isn't a vanilla feature. This functionality does exist here:
https://re621.app/

It also adds all kinds of other functionality like subscribing to tags and such. Personally I disable the hotkeys since I do all kinds of crazy things by mistake if I'm not in a text field by mistake. But that functionality is there too.

Ignore the duplicate tag warnings though. Duplicate tags hurt nothing. Only one is added when you post/save the edit. Personally when tagging, I scan the image like if I was reading. Every element I encounter I describe in detail with tags, if the tags exist and I know what they are. So I enter a lot of duplicate tags.

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zeorp said:
I honestly forgot this isn't a vanilla feature. This functionality does exist here:
https://re621.app/

It also adds all kinds of other functionality like subscribing to tags and such.

Ignore the duplicate tag warnings though. Duplicate tags hurt nothing. Only one is added when you post/save the edit. Personally when tagging, I scan the image like if I was reading. Every element I encounter I describe in detail with tags, if the tags exist and I know what they are. So I enter a lot of duplicate tags.

I know about Re6, but I'm mobile-only and I'm not even sure that TamperMonkey is compatible with mobile, and I'm even less confident that Re6 is designed for mobile use.

dba_afish said:
if you're suggesting that the edit box would automatically update with implied tags as you went? that would probably add a lot of lag I've seen websites that become pretty much entirely unusable when they try to do stuff like this. it also might be kind of annoying if a single errant Tab input or missclick on the auto-complete causes you to add like four or five tags that are unrelated to what you intended.

Nah, not automatically update. I get annoyed with the autocomplete as it is since invalid tags end up higher than real ones, like typing any species puts PuppyMonkeyBaby -> hybrid at the top of the autocomplete. Just 1) A very short list of strongly worded rules you should be thinking about when you tag, one of which should be "be very specific", and second, once you hit submit, it would pop up a warning "you used the tag vore, do you mean oral_vore, anal_vore, eustachian_vore, or is the image ambiguous enough that you cannot be more specific?"

kevsnowcat said:
Nah, not automatically update. I get annoyed with the autocomplete as it is since invalid tags end up higher than real ones, like typing any species puts PuppyMonkeyBaby -> hybrid at the top of the autocomplete. Just 1) A very short list of strongly worded rules you should be thinking about when you tag, one of which should be "be very specific", and second, once you hit submit, it would pop up a warning "you used the tag vore, do you mean oral_vore, anal_vore, eustachian_vore, or is the image ambiguous enough that you cannot be more specific?"

Some tags are aliased to tag_disambiguation for that very purpose. Re621 does automatically change aliases you type. I don't know off hand if that can be disabled, but for implications it lists them under. There are no wolves and the example post isn't from Forge. I just added those tags (without saving) to show what it does.
https://i.gyazo.com/c83cbc91c6259672dbef16bcb23f79e5.png

Note the ambiguous and avoid posting on the list of tags, as well as which are implied. I don't personally always avoid tags with low numbers of uses. They can be valid. I am hesitant though.

dba_afish said:
I know about Re6, but I'm mobile-only and I'm not even sure that TamperMonkey is compatible with mobile, and I'm even less confident that Re6 is designed for mobile use.

I just tested it and it works with Firefox Android for sure, with TamperMonkey.

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Tangentially related, a friend just pointed out to me that none of Ubzerd's posts or social media mentions if he's a jaguar or leopard, just "panther". I lost most of my social media accounts (don't miss Twitter anyway) due to gmail locking me out so I don't even have a way to tweet at them and ask. I guess just tagging 'pantherine' is as good as it gets. But as a more general tagging question, if species is unclear, i.e. what breed of dog, or whether it's a dog or a wolf, and source is useless, is it better to just use generic 'canid' 'felid' etc?

https://e621.net/posts?tags=ubzerd_(character)

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set #59268
set #59267
Are private sets viewable with a direct link?
Wondering if there's tags for cunnilingus or clitoral fingering while penetrated (examples I added to those sets are vaginal). I can unhide those sets for now, I guess. They can always just be edited to change it back.

kevsnowcat said:
Tangentially related, a friend just pointed out to me that none of Ubzerd's posts or social media mentions if he's a jaguar or leopard, just "panther". I lost most of my social media accounts (don't miss Twitter anyway) due to gmail locking me out so I don't even have a way to tweet at them and ask. I guess just tagging 'pantherine' is as good as it gets. But as a more general tagging question, if species is unclear, i.e. what breed of dog, or whether it's a dog or a wolf, and source is useless, is it better to just use generic 'canid' 'felid' etc?

https://e621.net/posts?tags=ubzerd_(character)

Vague is probably better than none.

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watsit said:
gynomorph would be the correct tag to use for a character that has a penis (or bulge) with breasts and no pussy. Moobs are for overweight male characters who have excess fat on their chest that give the impression of breasts.

Artists drawing muscular males with oversized pecs do occasionally step over the line where the pecs appear more like breasts, and should get tagged gynomorph instead of male (which tends to result in some tag wars).

But the description for gynomorph explicitly states that it is a intersex character with a feminine body type with a penis and breasts, including wide hips, lack of facial hair, and eyelashes. Should a muscular male that lacks those features but has large pecs resembling breast's be tagged at gymomorph? Most gynomorphs will not look like the males with big pecs being tagged as gynormph.

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jauntyraptor said:
But the description for gynomorph explicitly states that it is a intersex character with a feminine body type with a penis and breasts, including wide hips, lack of facial hair, and eyelashes. Should a muscular male that lacks those features but has large pecs resembling breast's be tagged at gymomorph? Most gynomorphs will not look like the males with big pecs being tagged as gynormph.

The howto:tag genders wiki doesn't indicate a feminine body type is needed. Male genitals (penis/sheath/etc, no pussy) and breasts -> gynomorph, body type not considered. There otherwise wouldn't be a tag for characters with a penis + breasts and a masculine body type, as male doesn't apply to characters with breasts and maleherm is penis+pussy with no breasts.

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snpthecat said:
No, not even the staff can view them

Well, if there's a tag for it, the set can just be deleted after tagging, and if not, I should put it back on private? Not sure if others have an interest in those specific situations.

Is there a tag for a character getting anal but suddenly saying "take it out im going to shit" would it be imminent scat? I just like tagging things really accurately.

~BOO-WOMP~

Since the filth tag has been invalidated, how would you tag posts like 3073850 (cub, borderline implied scat) to be able to filter them again? I tagged a whole bunch of these and then the tag was removed. One of the conversations on one of the pics was that the artist intentionally draws brown skin that technically can't be TWYS as scat just to be a troll. I should just blacklist the artist but I don't like doing blanket blacklists and missing out on art that might actually be interesting.

kevsnowcat said:
Since the filth tag has been invalidated, how would you tag posts like 3073850 (cub, borderline implied scat) to be able to filter them again? I tagged a whole bunch of these and then the tag was removed. One of the conversations on one of the pics was that the artist intentionally draws brown skin that technically can't be TWYS as scat just to be a troll. I should just blacklist the artist but I don't like doing blanket blacklists and missing out on art that might actually be interesting.

Would brown_anus work?

wandering_spaniel said:
Would brown_anus work?

I guess that could work but it's not really TWYS since it's more than just the anus. On top of that, the scat-smeared noses. Honestly I think we need an admin ruling that we can use scat on these images since it's blatantly obvious that's what it's supposed to be. Or implied_scat or a new tag like scat_residue.

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kevsnowcat said:
Since the filth tag has been invalidated, how would you tag posts like 3073850 (cub, borderline implied scat) to be able to filter them again? I tagged a whole bunch of these and then the tag was removed. One of the conversations on one of the pics was that the artist intentionally draws brown skin that technically can't be TWYS as scat just to be a troll. I should just blacklist the artist but I don't like doing blanket blacklists and missing out on art that might actually be interesting.

I guess that could work but it's not really TWYS since it's more than just the anus. On top of that, the scat-smeared noses. Honestly I think we need an admin ruling that we can use scat on these images since it's blatantly obvious that's what it's supposed to be. Or implied_scat or a new tag like scat_residue.

I'm kind of tempted to say don't feed the troll, if it's a common pattern from them.
This reminds me of the artists who use foods to get around censorship rules. Like, it's literally chocolate, literally lemonade, literally vanilla frosting, etc. See, there's clearly a container that says chocolate frosting - it's just food play - totally not something else!
I thought there was a tag for literally being dirty but I think this was it?
Dirty and messy don't seem to really work.

alphamule said:
I thought there was a tag for literally being dirty but I think this was it?
Dirty and messy don't seem to really work.

I thought the filth tag worked pretty well as a sexual dirty tag. Dirty for obvious 'playing football/fighting in the dirt/fell off a bike and scuffed up', filth for pics like these or other 'well it's not blatantly scat or vomit or whatever but still obviously gross'. And then it was invalidated.

do you guys have an tag for furry in denial? for example, when an character swears that they are not an furry but has an unusual interest with furries

mta_2_train said:
do you guys have an tag for furry in denial? for example, when an character swears that they are not an furry but has an unusual interest with furries

There's in_denial and furry_fandom but I'm not sure if there's something more specific. furry_fandom isn't used much, but if there isn't a better tag for it that might be the appropriate one. Searching those two tags did in fact yield what you described, albeit not many results.
https://e621.net/posts?tags=furry_fandom+in_denial

I believe we need tags for when a character's face has different colors in the mouth/nose regen.
post #4714904

I used this example because someone apparently didn't like my use of the white_muzzle and colored_muzzle tags. White_muzzle used to have plenty of posts not added by me, but now there gone. This is sus.

We definitely need tags for this stuff, do to how popular a design choice it is, it's just a matter of how to implement them. And it is quite easy to define as "when the color of the face is different in the region below the eyes or below the halfway point of the eyes."

White_lower_face and white_lower_head are not in use right now. So do you think we should use tags like these or do you think there redundant when we have [color]_muzzle tags? Sense muzzle appears to be a tag, calling all examples "[color]_muzzle" might be confusing, but I can see both sides.

Regardless, colored_muzzle (and equivalents) should be used as umbrella tags so that people don't have to search every color variant to find stuff. Two_tone_head and such could be used as an umbrella to encompass even more tags, like when the face as two colors split down the middle.

Also, do the mouth bits on Sonic_the_Hedgehog characters count as muzzles?

1eyed-rosd said:
I believe we need tags for when a character's face has different colors in the mouth/nose regen.
post #4714904

I used this example because someone apparently didn't like my use of the white_muzzle and colored_muzzle tags. White_muzzle used to have plenty of posts not added by me, but now there gone. This is sus.

We definitely need tags for this stuff, do to how popular a design choice it is, it's just a matter of how to implement them. And it is quite easy to define as "when the color of the face is different in the region below the eyes or below the halfway point of the eyes."

White_lower_face and white_lower_head are not in use right now. So do you think we should use tags like these or do you think there redundant when we have [color]_muzzle tags? Sense muzzle appears to be a tag, calling all examples "[color]_muzzle" might be confusing, but I can see both sides.

Regardless, colored_muzzle (and equivalents) should be used as umbrella tags so that people don't have to search every color variant to find stuff. Two_tone_head and such could be used as an umbrella to encompass even more tags, like when the face as two colors split down the middle.

Also, do the mouth bits on Sonic_the_Hedgehog characters count as muzzles?

...The tag you're looking for is countershade_face.

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nimphia said:
...The tag you're looking for is countershade_face.

There's also countershade_torso, which covers "the chest and abdomen, possibly the neck as well". Generally when there's countershading all the way from the face, neck, maybe arms/hands, chest, belly, to thighs/tail, I'll just tag countershade_torso for it all instead of each individual affected countershade_* body part.

Is there a tag for transformations as a result of unbirth? Y'know, go in one way, come out another? Usually comes in the form of species/gender transformations, or coloration changes.
Searching unbirth transformation does cover this but there are instances where it's the pred transforming instead, like in cases of attribute theft.
If not, maybe a tag like rebirth_transformation could work?

dirtyderg said:
Is there a tag for transformations as a result of unbirth? Y'know, go in one way, come out another? Usually comes in the form of species/gender transformations, or coloration changes.
Searching unbirth transformation does cover this but there are instances where it's the pred transforming instead, like in cases of attribute theft.
If not, maybe a tag like rebirth_transformation could work?

well, there's transformation_through_vore, and unbirth is a subset of vore.

circeus said:
Figured this would do better than the overly generic "new tag discussions" thread now that there's a separate new tag announcements.

Is there/should there be a tag for characters wearing...

Socks and no shoes? Thankfully socks does not implicate footwear, but socks -footwear encompasses a broader range of legwear than what I'm talking about.
post #1144240 post #1149655 post #1145342 post #908433

Shoes and no socks?
post #926729 post #1127258 post #1114910 post #1082992

https://e621.net/posts/4841148?q=irrumatio Can we have one for where the creature is harvesting semen and feeding the source through oral?

Is there a tag for posts when the penis throbs specifically during orgasm? There's Throbbing_balls and Throbbing_penis but I was wondering if there was a tag that can single out the posts that include that in particular.

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1eyed-rosd said:
Yeah, that is there. But I mean when the countershade_face specifically is white. Then we can alias White_muzzle to that. Does that sound good?

It would be <color>_snout, since muzzle is ambiguous and can refer to a muzzle_(object). But that aside, such an alias would easily cause mistags when, for example, a character is covered in fully white fur or scales, and someone tags them with a white snout since that's what they have, even though it's the same as everything else and there's no countershading. It would also be an issue for types of countershading that separate the lower and upper snout (similar to post #4483436 being tagged green snout), or the under-chin separate from the sides and top (like post #4771956 being tagged black snout), causing the wrong countershade color to be tagged.

Having tags that combine the location of the countershading with the color would also create an excessive number of tags since each location would have tags for each color. Something that can already get out of hand with the normal <color>_<bodypart> tags; adding <color>_countershade_<bodypart> tags isn't something I'm fond of.

Should we use the melanistic tag on felines that aren't iRL? I.e. black lions like this:

https://e621.net/posts/669062

and then tigers, snow leopards, cougars, cheetahs? Part of me wants to say yes, but part of me says "only Panthera and not cougars or cheetahs because we don't use it for black housecats" and then we'd have to debate if you use it on pics like "negative" tigers, (i.e. black fur bright orange or other color stripes), where melanistic should be "either solid black or very subdued markings".

kevsnowcat said:
Should we use the melanistic tag on felines that aren't iRL? I.e. black lions like this:

https://e621.net/posts/669062

and then tigers, snow leopards, cougars, cheetahs? Part of me wants to say yes, but part of me says "only Panthera and not cougars or cheetahs because we don't use it for black housecats" and then we'd have to debate if you use it on pics like "negative" tigers, (i.e. black fur bright orange or other color stripes), where melanistic should be "either solid black or very subdued markings".

I'd say yes. Black domestic cats are indeed melanistic, but I imagine the majority of people don't think of them as so because we don't see a black cat as being all that unusual as compared to melanistic squirrels, snakes, chickens, leopards, guinea pigs, and even ones that might not be melanistic in real life. If a character is clearly meant to be melanistic by TWYS, we tag them as such.

However, something like a "negative" tiger wouldn't count as they aren't entirely black (or "rusting" as sun bleaching can sometimes cause a black cat's coat to turn a rusty brown color over time). A negative tiger is really just a tiger whose normal marking colors have been inverted and shouldn't be tagged as melanistic anymore than you'd tag an average skunk as such.

clawstripe said:
I'd say yes. Black domestic cats are indeed melanistic, but I imagine the majority of people don't think of them as so because we don't see a black cat as being all that unusual as compared to melanistic squirrels, snakes, chickens, leopards, guinea pigs, and even ones that might not be melanistic in real life. If a character is clearly meant to be melanistic by TWYS, we tag them as such.

However, something like a "negative" tiger wouldn't count as they aren't entirely black (or "rusting" as sun bleaching can sometimes cause a black cat's coat to turn a rusty brown color over time). A negative tiger is really just a tiger whose normal marking colors have been inverted and shouldn't be tagged as melanistic anymore than you'd tag an average skunk as such.

I heard only some housecats are melanistic, if they're young or sun bleached you can see markings, and yellow/amber eyes, while others just have a "black fur" gene, basically a tuxedo cat with no white marks, not the same as the melanism gene, and can have other eye colors, like green. But yes, like jaguar/leopard, for tigers it should be stripes only visible at certain angles/lighting. The other problem, even with leopards/jaguars, are characters (most often with more toony art) that are obviously (or at least described as) a "panther" (usually leopard), but have a differently shaded chest/belly, even all the way up to white. I've also seen black spotcats with white rosettes. Just kind of hard to draw the line where it "counts"

kevsnowcat said:
I heard only some housecats are melanistic, if they're young or sun bleached you can see markings, and yellow/amber eyes, while others just have a "black fur" gene, basically a tuxedo cat with no white marks, not the same as the melanism gene, and can have other eye colors, like green.

Makes sense. That's undoubtedly another reason why black domestic cats aren't necessarily tagged melanistic.

But yes, like jaguar/leopard, for tigers it should be stripes only visible at certain angles/lighting. The other problem, even with leopards/jaguars, are characters (most often with more toony art) that are obviously (or at least described as) a "panther" (usually leopard), but have a differently shaded chest/belly, even all the way up to white. I've also seen black spotcats with white rosettes. Just kind of hard to draw the line where it "counts"

If there's another color on the body (not counting dark gray, which is often used as an alternative to black so the audience can see the details of a character, or rusting), then I'd think the animal is no more melanistic than a tuxedo cat. In other words, these are markings or countershading, which would be black/very dark gray/rusted on a truly melanistic animal.

While it's also true that "panther" is often associated with all-black large cats (especially leopards), it can also refer to any of the large cats in general, regardless of color, as well as the Florida panther AKA cougar.