Ko-san said:
I'm not reading that because I'm not going to go in circles with you over this.

"Once you become your own obstacle you become an obstacle to others trying to help you"

I mean I dunno what to say to you then dude, If youre not gonna read, why even bother posting TL'DR?

Either way youre not contributing with this.

hello_world said:
Quick search through Furaffinity, Inkbunny, Weasyl, Sofurry and Furrynetwork shows that nobody uses them.

Yeah more or less, they were brought up a couple times in this thread and Ive seen a few journals and posts about them but they are not typically tagged yet.

GDelscribe said:
Stop trying to incite drama.

*looks through the rest of this thread* o_O really?

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@admin/moderators: a suggestion, if i may. make a thread and have a vote (and have it announced via that news banner thing. don't simply hide it in the forums as FN mistakenly did). put each pair of suggestions mentioned in this thread so far and simply go with that which gets the most votes.

maybe, just MAYBE, THAT would bring an end to this perpetual drama thread.

28 pages and despite numerous suggestions this thread is little more than drama from start to finish with no resolution in sight. i doubt many would complain about an end to this war on words.

hello_world said:
Quick search through Furaffinity, Inkbunny, Weasyl, Sofurry and Furrynetwork shows that nobody uses them.

I'm not sure if that's a good argument against them. Because the same can be said about most of the other suggestions. For instance, nobody uses 'mbfg intersex'.

Nobody used cuntboy either, until we started using it on alt.fan.furry. And nobody used 'furry' before that newsgroup was made.

Most words related to furdom were popularized the same way: fursona, fursuit, scalie, etc. When we needed a word for something, we made one up.

That's why I'm fond of the suggestion of renaming intersex to altersex, by the way. It's a made up word, which is perfect for made up characters. And it emphasizes the fact that the characters don't need to fit into real life sexes.

treos said:
*looks through the rest of this thread* o_O really?

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@admin/moderators: a suggestion, if i may. make a thread and have a vote (and have it announced via that news banner thing. don't simply hide it in the forums as FN mistakenly did). put each pair of suggestions mentioned in this thread so far and simply go with that which gets the most votes.

maybe, just MAYBE, THAT would bring an end to this perpetual drama thread.

28 pages and despite numerous suggestions this thread is little more than drama from start to finish with no resolution in sight. i doubt many would complain about an end to this war on words.

I don't think a vote on every possibility would be reasonable. There are a few suggestions which just don't work for one reason or another. We'd have to create a shorter list of actually viable suggestions.

Then again if we tried that we'd just bicker about what belongs on the list and what doesn't, barring a few exceptions.

Clawdragons said:
I don't think a vote on every possibility would be reasonable. There are a few suggestions which just don't work for one reason or another. We'd have to create a shorter list of actually viable suggestions.

Then again if we tried that we'd just bicker about what belongs on the list and what doesn't, barring a few exceptions.

I think another user made a list like that earlier. It was the janitor(?) who writes long posts with code and such embedded.

That would be this one, Long form texts on the subject, ideas and most of the more popular proposed tags forum #140749

quick barebones list of all proposed tags that arnt clearly sarcastic/prank suggestions so far from this thread over its now 28 page 5 month long existence.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bDz8wFCSSMAqw0qD9mlJui8l_34rSSjEiuqMyR9GrgM/edit?usp=sharing

Please note to remind readers that agreement for the tags(subject: cuntboy & dickgirl) to be changed has been agreed on and is final, not up to discussion, if you have anything constructive to add pertaining to ideas of tag alternates or pros and cons to such tags then please do say so.
Also note that this thread primary pertains to just the 2 above specified subjects and that the change is purely cosmetic, functionally isnt to be changed.

present active alias proposals:
forum #211402

I think this is pointless. Such terms may be archaic slurs but today they're used solely as descriptions for pornography. "Dickgirl" for girls with dicks and "cuntboy" for boys with cunts. I'd be astounded if even a small percentage of physically transsexual men and women were offended. Despite what Tumblr might have to say on the matter, the majority of transsexuals I've met throughout my experience have freely identified themselves using such terms.

werewolfscanbegaytoo said:
I think this is pointless. Such terms may be archaic slurs but today they're used solely as descriptions for pornography. "Dickgirl" for girls with dicks and "cuntboy" for boys with cunts. I'd be astounded if even a small percentage of physically transsexual men and women were offended. Despite what Tumblr might have to say on the matter, the majority of transsexuals I've met throughout my experience have freely identified themselves using such terms.

for millionth time: it has already been decided that the tags can be changed and now we are trying to figure out the best alternative. bringing arguments against the change is completely unnecessary at this point.

Mutisija said:
for millionth time: it has already been decided that the tags can be changed and now we are trying to figure out the best alternative. bringing arguments against the change is completely unnecessary at this point.

Believe it or not, some individuals don't have the free time to read through twenty eight pages of angsty debating on a porn site.

werewolfscanbegaytoo said:
Believe it or not, some individuals don't have the free time to read through twenty eight pages of angsty debating on a porn site.

But they can read what admins have repeated multiple times... Or, just not enter a 28 page thread without prior knowledge or said prior reading.

But let's be progressive about this.

werewolfscanbegaytoo said:
Believe it or not, some individuals don't have the free time to read through twenty eight pages of angsty debating on a porn site.

Believe it or not, you don't have to respond to a thread you refuse to read. At the very least go through the pages and CTRL+F for "Admin". That way you can see if they've responded.

Furrin_Gok said:
Believe it or not, you don't have to respond to a thread you refuse to read. At the very least go through the pages and CTRL+F for "Admin". That way you can see if they've responded.

Honestly I think a lot of this could be resolved if GDelscribe would edit the first post to indicate the significant events and changes that this thread has gone through, including a link to some key admin posts, as well as a short list of suggestions made through the thread.

I think that's in a large part the cause of this continuing problem.

Clawdragons said:
Honestly I think a lot of this could be resolved if GDelscribe would edit the first post to indicate the significant events and changes that this thread has gone through, including a link to some key admin posts, as well as a short list of suggestions made through the thread.

I think that's in a large part the cause of this continuing problem.

Probably, probably not, seems most people are jumping to conclusions from the first couple of comments on which ever last page rather then even reading the OP, otherwise we would also be hearing stuff about transexual and futanari still which is also discused in the present op. Could probably resolve this looping argument if admins had the ability to add stickied comments to individual threads that are always at the top of all pages, there was a recent feature request to do exactly that for the comment section on individual posts... forum #213284

@admin/moderators: a suggestion, if i may. make a thread and have a vote (and have it announced via that news banner thing. don't simply hide it in the forums as FN mistakenly did). put each pair of suggestions mentioned in this thread so far and simply go with that which gets the most votes.

maybe, just MAYBE, THAT would bring an end to this perpetual drama thread.

28 pages and despite numerous suggestions this thread is little more than drama from start to finish with no resolution in sight. i doubt many would complain about an end to this war on words.

A vote would imply that this is a democracy, rather than a privately owned website. For us to make a sweeping change of this magnitude to an already perfectly functional system, the support would need to be overwhelming, not just a few vocal users from the forums. Changes like this don't happen until it can be proven that the current system is broken or the changes are an objective improvement that will benefit users more than leaving it alone, which we're still waiting for.

ippiki_ookami said:
A vote would imply that this is a democracy, rather than a privately owned website. For us to make a sweeping change of this magnitude to an already perfectly functional system, the support would need to be overwhelming, not just a few vocal users from the forums. Changes like this don't happen until it can be proven that the current system is broken or the changes are an objective improvement that will benefit users more than leaving it alone, which we're still waiting for.

must we point out again that this whole thing is not about changing the function of 2 tags? Your overblowing the issue by a huge margin. We are changing names, not changing the system. And NMNY has made clear that the terms are vulgar and should be changed at some point, some pages back so ya the reasoning for this thread has been proven to be relevant. IT has been also been stated a number of times by multiple different users throughout this thread that this change could lead to more content creators relaxing their opposition for having their content posted on e621 which is of benefit to e621 users, users who have often complained when ever art disappears behind a DNP order....

Ruku said:
must we point out again that this whole thing is not about changing the function of 2 tags? Your overblowing the issue by a huge margin. We are changing names, not changing the system. And NMNY has made clear that the terms are vulgar and should be changed at some point, some pages back so ya the reasoning for this thread has been proven to be relevant. IT has been also been stated a number of times by multiple different users throughout this thread that this change could lead to more content creators relaxing their opposition for having their content posted on e621 which is of benefit to e621 users, users who have often complained when ever art disappears behind a DNP order....

Ippiki was talking about adding a voting function to the site.

Furrin_Gok said:
Ippiki was talking about adding a voting function to the site.

not from the quote they took and their response to it considering there is no mention of added a voting function in ether quote or response. THey mention making a new thread in the quote for people to comment their vote in, not a new function and ookami is making a simple name change out to be a overblown system change which this thread subject is not in even the slightest sense.

Clawdragons said:
Honestly I think a lot of this could be resolved if GDelscribe would edit the first post to indicate the significant events and changes that this thread has gone through, including a link to some key admin posts, as well as a short list of suggestions made through the thread.

I think that's in a large part the cause of this continuing problem.

Yeah. Ill get on that actually. ID meant to do it ages back. Ill have that fixed sometime tonight.

Ruku said:
not from the quote they took and their response to it considering there is no mention of added a voting function in ether quote or response. THey mention making a new thread in the quote for people to comment their vote in, not a new function and ookami is making a simple name change out to be a overblown system change which this thread subject is not in even the slightest sense.

Running a system off of votes is still running a system off of votes.

Furrin_Gok said:
Running a system off of votes is still running a system off of votes.

changing a name is not changing the system, system pertains to functionality which again some of you are keep pushing when the thread has absolutely nothing to do with changing the system.

Ruku said:
changing a name is not changing the system, system pertains to functionality which again some of you are keep pushing when the thread has absolutely nothing to do with changing the system.

That's exactly what ippiki was talking about. Changing the system isn't going to happen, only changing this tag.

I just want to let you guys know that for several months i have been lurking in this thread and just watching the shitstorm rour while eating popcorn at the same time. Let's just say: it was the most entertaining thread i have ever read. My favorite sick burn of them all was "enjoy your vacation."

Voting for what the new tags will be seems like the most logical thing to do, but that's also is a problem apparently.

Also, is it me, or Treos has a change of heart? He seems to [semi]accept that the tags will be changed, (I say "semi" because it's more like he just wants this thread to be over.)

I hope the rest of them will accept the new tags, otherwise, we will have more, you guessed it, MORE DRAMA!!! (hopefully not a "Exit621".)

Serperior09876 said:
Also, is it me, or Treos has a change of heart? He seems to [semi]accept that the tags will be changed, (I say "semi" because it's more like he just wants this thread to be over.)

i'm also aware that this whole mess is likely to repeat in the future when someone eventually starts letting the new tags offend them. but yeah, it's been what, 5 months now with no solid conclusion?

I confess I am rather lost. What terms seem to be in the lead right now?

Thirtyeight said:
I confess I am rather lost. What terms seem to be in the lead right now?

Right now it seems that masc_intersex and fem_intersex or variations thereupon.

GDelscribe said:
Right now it seems that masc_intersex and fem_intersex or variations thereupon.

I still like masculine_with_pussy and such, is it really such a problem they're long?

Furrin_Gok said:
I still like masculine_with_pussy and such, is it really such a problem they're long?

I like them too honestly and no. ITs not a problem esp considering how long and verbose some of the other tags are.

Furrin_Gok said:
I still like masculine_with_pussy and such, is it really such a problem they're long?

The problem isn't so much that those tags themselves are unwieldy but that other tags using them would be very unwieldy.

masculine_with_pussy/feminine_with_penis
masculine_with_pussy_on_feral

And so on. By themselves I think they are fine but when you start considering their use in other tags it becomes kind of ridiculous.

I've actually been leaning more towards andromorph and gynomorph recently. Short, and people would pick up on them pretty quickly I think.

Also GDelscribe, a small reminder to update the first page.

Just created the placeholder wikis for feminine_with_penis, masculine_with_pussy and masculine_with_pussy/feminine_with_penis.

Faux-Pa said:
Just created the placeholder wikis for feminine_with_penis, masculine_with_pussy and masculine_with_pussy/feminine_with_penis.

Please don't.
Those didn't get much support, and wiki pages are a pain to delete.

We really should stop honoring "politically correct" narcissism and tag the genders what they fucking are.

FibS said:
We really should stop honoring "politically correct" narcissism and tag the genders what they fucking are.

how about we stop the idiotic egotistical disregard of decency on the subject and this thread in general and solve the issue rather then flaunting our ego. Worth noting the present 2 tags actually in name dont quite describe exactly what the 2 sexes/genders are so...

PS: I would suggest checking what narcissism actual means, as such is not implicated in the reasoning behind this thread...

FibS said:
We really should stop honoring "politically correct" narcissism and tag the genders what they fucking are.

*sigh* don't waste your time on this thread. arguing such things is completely useless with this thread so long as people want to fuss over words and how offensive they think they are. -_-

tag the genders what they fucking are.

but which genders? the 2 real ones and those in between the 2 or the 70+ born of tumblr stupidity? not that it matters that much either way.

why not join the other 5-10+ of us who feel this way in waiting to see this attempt at tagging and satisfying transgender peoples desires play out? i'm sure the whole situation will inevitably repeat when the new words (whatever they wind up being) start being considered offensive as well.

Clawdragons said:
The problem isn't so much that those tags themselves are unwieldy but that other tags using them would be very unwieldy.

masculine_with_pussy/feminine_with_penis
[masculine_with_pussy_on_feral]]

And so on. By themselves I think they are fine but when you start considering their use in other tags it becomes kind of ridiculous.

I've actually been leaning more towards andromorph and gynomorph recently. Short, and people would pick up on them pretty quickly I think.

Also GDelscribe, a small reminder to update the first page.

Yeah just doing a writeup! Itll be up asap.

Also. Treos and Fibs. If you dont care about the issue. Then dont comment. Its that simple. Nobody is making you do so. Youre the ones who are actively qcting offended.

We can take the 1488 anti discussion rhetoric elsewhere.

When I was growing up it wasnt called being pc it was called being respectful and Im absolutely bloody dumbfounded that people have the audacity to act and think like having a shred of respect or decency is a bad thing.

Anyway yeah updating op asap

Apparently no one likes decency.

No class.

What about demigirl and demiboy for halfgirl halfboy? As in girl body type. Boy body type.

So to clarify if youre missing what I mean.

Demigirl for dickgirl and demiboy for cboy.

Plus if follows the current naming schema pretty well.

GDelscribe said:
What about demigirl and demiboy for halfgirl halfboy? As in girl body type. Boy body type.

So to clarify if youre missing what I mean.

Demigirl for dickgirl and demiboy for cboy.

Plus if follows the current naming schema pretty well.

um i kinda get the thought of devine figures there then again that is because demi is most often associated with half gods... Could support that if something could be done to get rid of boy and girl because not all intersex are children uu;

Concerning the OP might want to add links to some posts that include descriptions on the tag alternatives that so far have been discussed extensively. titanmelon did a good job listing many of them here forum #140749 . people should know all of them, not just the 3 you picked out.

GDelscribe said:
What about demigirl and demiboy for halfgirl halfboy? As in girl body type. Boy body type.

They don't seem all that clear what they represent, at least not without an accompanying explanation.

A new user may think that the girl/boy part is reference to genitalia, instead of body type as you propose. The current tags are fairly clear in that they specify a certain sex's genitalia while implying the opposite sex's body-type, despite their inclusion of tags. Whatever replacements are chosen, they must be greater than or equal to the current tags in usefulness to the site for the change to be considered an improvement.

I would also avoid using demi/half to refer to these characters, it would incite needless debate on the validity of these tags when applied to specific posts. Do you honestly believe that dgirl and cboy characters are half male and half female? They certainly have traits from both, both specifying an exact proportion such as 'half' would cause more problems than it would solve.

Also, could you please spell check your posts? I see that you've gone through the effort to edit the OP for the sake of efficiency. I would appreciate it if said effort could also be applied to correcting spelling errors and typos.

Ruku said:
Concerning the OP might want to add links to some posts that include descriptions on the tag alternatives that so far have been discussed extensively. titanmelon did a good job listing many of them here forum #140749 . people should know all of them, not just the 3 you picked out.

I agree, I would also like to reiterate the suggestions made in forum #212094 (mf_intersex/fm_intersex) and forum #212283 (fbmg_intersex/mbfg_intersex). They seemed to have had the least opposition out of any other suggestion shortly after proposal. I would appreciate their inclusion in any formal list of potential replacement tags.

Treos, I thought you had blocked this thread?

Thirtyeight said:
Treos, I thought you had blocked this thread?

He later unblocks things "in case they've calmed down."

Hello again! I was unhappy with the vitriol corrupting my view of this topic and the concepts it's built upon, so I took some time off to gather my thoughts on the matter free of potential spite against people in general.

https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=1240465

Indeed I do "care about the issue" - that is why I was so angry with how the topic is usually handled, and it is why I composed a chart and a 1500-word essay on it.

It's a somewhat lengthy read, but I believe anyone who is not willing to read this much would not be willing to do much else to help.

PS: I would suggest checking what narcissism actual means

A narcissist is someone who believes their viewpoints, property, values, or traits are more valid, more worthy, or better than everyone else's. I know this very well because I am one and can spot another one a few leagues hence, like a gaydar for jackasses.

Narcissism is extremely relevant to LGBT - or rather its Internet / Tumblr flavor - as they seem to think they have the right to order people to feel certain things about them or define & perceive them a certain way, as indeed they do not.

It is one thing to make an identity and a sense of self - it is quite another to deny reality.

Ruku said:
how about we stop the idiotic egotistical disregard of decency on the subject and this thread in general and solve the issue rather then flaunting our ego. Worth noting the present 2 tags actually in name dont quite describe exactly what the 2 sexes/genders are so...

PS: I would suggest checking what narcissism actual means, as such is not implicated in the reasoning behind this thread...

FibS was calling the people arguing against a change the narcissists, not GDel.

Unjustifiably so, per his own citation: "Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships.". The latter is an impossibly high bar to meet for someone you only know through forum / online interaction.

"parochial", "egocentric", or "closed-minded" would be much less dubious / armchair-psychologist.

savageorange said:
Unjustifiably so, per his own citation: "Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships.". The latter is an impossibly high bar to meet for someone you only know through forum / online interaction.

"parochial", "egocentric", or "closed-minded" would be much less dubious / armchair-psychologist.

Thank you for this.

It is amazing how little respect people have for psychology that they feel they are able to diagnose people with personality disorders over the internet with such little information.

Clawdragons said:
Thank you for this.

It is amazing how little respect people have for psychology that they feel they are able to diagnose people with personality disorders over the internet with such little information.

No problem. I don't exactly have great faith in diagnosticians, but I do have experience that non-diagnosticians using diagnostic terms is dangerous and reliably confusing for all concerned.

savageorange said:
Unjustifiably so, per his own citation: "Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships.". The latter is an impossibly high bar to meet for someone you only know through forum / online interaction.

"parochial", "egocentric", or "closed-minded" would be much less dubious / armchair-psychologist.

Clawdragons said:
Thank you for this.

It is amazing how little respect people have for psychology that they feel they are able to diagnose people with personality disorders over the internet with such little information.

I'm not interested in what is dubious to someone who relies on wordplay and platitudes ("armchair psychologist") to get out of an uncomfortable accusation; and indeed I do not have any respect at all for psychology, as it is a joke long past its expiration date and my history has proven me better-equipped for reading others than any textbook could teach me.

Perhaps I should have taken the ignorance of my company into account and used a less escapable phrase; and perhaps I should not have linked a pseudoscience's definition when using a general term; but alas, my errors make no difference.

If the objection is that these people are not narcissistic enough of the time, that is not only a very weak defense, but incorrect besides. I can indeed state with conviction that this narcissism is prevalent throughout their lives, because their lives are illustrated in great detail through their blogs and other social media - not even taking into account people whose work and/or relationships are explicitly carried out through these social media.

In all circumstances, the affected parties are consistently narcissistic. Whether you define that as aesthetic vanity, general arrogance, or a strictly regulated mental disorder does not matter - all three are accurate.

Well, you haven't convinced me you are narcissistic, whatever that would mean. You have convinced me you're a hypocrite, though -- if 'psychology is a joke' were your real attitude, you would never have made the previous post at all. You certainly wouldn't be trying to convince us your case is valid.

('armchair X' mostly exists for cases where it's incredibly easy to do X badly, and if you have no training you're fucked, sometimes even if you do have training you're fucked. If you went by 'psychology is a joke', then the logical conclusion would be that you're always fucked and nobody should say anything definitive on the subject at all.)

EDIT: Your post did remind me to to consider some of my behaviours and whether I really want to be doing them, though, so thanks for that much. Just.. generally, if you put a diagnostic label on anyone who has the slightest chance of taking it seriously, you done fucked up. I can't overemphasize that.

Back on topic.

Ratte said:
Back on topic.

How about we get back on topic by judging my response to GDelscribe? It seems as though we got distracted and my post was ignored. The post I'm referring to is forum #214398, I'll leave a copy below.

Furrin_Gok said:
He later unblocks things "in case they've calmed down."

actually, it turns out you can't block threads, just users and that excludes the first post of any thread said user(s) create.

FibS said:
Narcissism is extremely relevant to LGBT - or rather its Internet / Tumblr flavor - as they seem to think they have the right to order people to feel certain things about them or define & perceive them a certain way, as indeed they do not.

as well as SJWs among some other groups. actually, what you said is a pretty good description of SJWs.

and no offense but i'm a bit tired of the LGBT acronym since it seems like the 'T' tends to stir up plenty of trouble all on its own. i think i'm among those who would rather it be LGB. >.>

treos said:
actually, it turns out you can't block threads, just users and that excludes the first post of any thread said user(s) create.

as well as SJWs among some other groups. actually, what you said is a pretty good description of SJWs.

and no offense but i'm a bit tired of the LGBT acronym since it seems like the 'T' tends to stir up plenty of trouble all on its own. i think i'm among those who would rather it be LGB. >.>

Treos, Ratte already asked for people to get back on topic. So first and foremost, if you cant do that, kindly just don't. If you're just here to disrupt (as usual) then you're not helping anyone.

Second of all, are you seriously saying that, in all honesty right now? Really?

In a topic like this you cannot honestly tell me that that wasnt intentionally inflammatory.

GDelscribe said:
Treos, Ratte already asked for people to get back on topic. So first and foremost, if you cant do that, kindly just don't. If you're just here to disrupt (as usual) then you're not helping anyone.

Second of all, are you seriously saying that, in all honesty right now? Really?

In a topic like this you cannot honestly tell me that that wasnt intentionally inflammatory.

If they arnt contributing and just spaming the thread then they will be reported thats that.

Now i would sugest again updating the OP with all options that so far have been discussed in this thread not just your 3, because otherwise the legitimacy of you and this thread will be in question. And Jakxxx does make some good points that would make demi- not that good of a candidate for replacement.

You were warned by admin to stay on topic. If you can't do that I'm gonna start busting heads.

GDelscribe said:
Treos, Ratte already asked for people to get back on topic. So first and foremost, if you cant do that, kindly just don't. If you're just here to disrupt (as usual) then you're not helping anyone.

Second of all, are you seriously saying that, in all honesty right now? Really?

In a topic like this you cannot honestly tell me that that wasnt intentionally inflammatory.

What was it that he said that was inflammatory? I know he's being a HUGE whiner but, what was it that he said that was inflammatory?

On that note, Treos has done nothing but whined and has not given any REAL arguments on this issue. He sounds like a broken record at this point. Yea, BowenWhiteHooves, if he disrupts this thread again well, do your admin thing.

I'm sorry Treos, you have been classified as "entitled."

Serperior09876 said:
I'm sorry Treos, you have been classified as "entitled."

entitled? me? lol

inflammatory... no, this topic is what's inflammatory and those of us who have repeatedly complained about it are like moths drawn to that flame. moths that get swatted away every time.

but fine, i'll back off...again. sorry if i hurt anyones feelings.

GDelscribe stop backseating
Serperior09876 stop baiting treos
treos stop being treos

So from what I see, no matter what the end result, not everyone will be happy with the decision. I've been off this thread for a whole, but took some time to catch up.
Why not client side (sorry Kira, I know my wacky ideas probably make you cry just at the thought of implementing them :<) “preferred alias” or something? That way people can choose to see cuntboy/duckbill or gynomorph/andromorph or what ever they choose.

Chaser said:
Why not client side (sorry Kira, I know my wacky ideas probably make you cry just at the thought of implementing them :<) “preferred alias” or something? That way people can choose to see cuntboy/duckbill or gynomorph/andromorph or what ever they choose.

No need. Users can do that themselves.

BlueDingo said:
No need. Users can do that themselves.

Not everyone uses Firefox. I myself use Safari on a mobile... My PC may have Firefox, but I don't use my PC for porn, but two other reasons against extensions is that people may not know how to use them, and that they may become inoperable after an E6 update.

Ultimately: while it can solve your problem for anything, it will not solve the problem for everything/everyone.

Ruku said:
If they arnt contributing and just spaming the thread then they will be reported thats that.

Now i would sugest again updating the OP with all options that so far have been discussed in this thread not just your 3, because otherwise the legitimacy of you and this thread will be in question. And Jakxxx does make some good points that would make demi- not that good of a candidate for replacement.

The three that are in the thread op right now were the ones most voted for with the least outcry over the course of the thread.

Ill add the other non joke/intentionally bad suggestions later but its going to take me time to get everything set up. The change to the op as is is a temporary bandaid because Im not a superhuman.

As to Jakxxx response. Yes. Demi may not be the best in terms of people decrying them for theiir literal meaning but they have been used in the past.

From my perspective as long as the user can tell that the purpose of the tag is body focused (which wouldnt take long to figure out). Terms like demi and meta have been used extensively to refer to characters who are "sort of" one thing but are another for decades (arguably longer depending on your views of language evolution)

Also. The genital focused tag issue thing. Already exists even with cboy and dgirl. The mikhaila incident which has been brought up no less than 6 times here is case point proof that people will even ignore cboy etc tags based on the characters genital configuration. If as a whole site we move towards identifying characters by taggable BODY archetypes it will be better over in the long run anyway.

Lastly, again. People will still tag dickgirl and cboy. People will still search using those terms as well. The new ones will come up but people will still search eith them. There are people who still havent noticed GAY was aliased away. Seriously you really think that this is going to cause that much confusion that people arent going to learn anyway?

Not to mention a lot of the people who are and will continue to complain about this or try to sir up debates on it after that fact are the same people who already are starting tagging wars on the use of dgirl and cboy.

Say for example, changing the tags to demimasculine and demifeminine. Or demimasc and demifemme for short might work.

Lastly. As im mainly a mobile user and typing these responses on a minikeyboard isnt ideal. Guess what theyre going to have typos. In the kindest way I can possibly say it. Attacking someone for grammar or spelling is the lowest form of adhominem and makes any argument you had before it. No matter how good. Completely pointless.

I chose to and will continue to choose to outright ignore any such commentary and related.

Siral_Exan said:
Not everyone uses Firefox. I myself use Safari on a mobile... My PC may have Firefox, but I don't use my PC for porn, but two other reasons against extensions is that people may not know how to use them, and that they may become inoperable after an E6 update.

Ultimately: while it can solve your problem for anything, it will not solve the problem for everything/everyone.

And theres the rub sadly. Unfortunately most mobile apps dont support extensions at all. God help you if youre on an apple product.

Also api changes mean the extension has to be changed too. So itd be a pain for anyone using the extension.

GDelscribe said:
Lastly. As im mainly a mobile user and typing these responses on a minikeyboard isnt ideal. Guess what theyre going to have typos. In the kindest way I can possibly say it. Attacking someone for grammar or spelling is the lowest form of adhominem and makes any argument you had before it. No matter how good. Completely pointless.

I chose to and will continue to choose to outright ignore any such commentary and related.

Where did you get the idea that I'm attacking you? I just think that you should improve your spelling, don't you use autocorrect on your phone?

JAKXXX3 said:
Where did you get the idea that I'm attacking you? I just think that you should improve your spelling, don't you use autocorrect on your phone?

I used to. It stopped working however very recently and actually produces much worse effects >~>;;; sorry if I seemed hostile Its just. Really not that applicable to the discussion and Ive just gotten horribly tired of all the ridiculousness for something that in theory should be a lot less involved.

Also oft times people bringing up spelling and grammar esp offhandedly is just that. Adhominem. Its not needed and it just comes off as kinda backhanded.

I dunno if you noticed earlier posts where things would just be inexplicably capitalized for no reason? It only got worse from there to the point where I had to turn off autocorrect entirely.

GDelscribe said:
Also oft times people bringing up spelling and grammar esp offhandedly is just that. Adhominem. Its not needed and it just comes off as kinda backhanded.

I don't mean any personal offense towards you, I just tend to get bothered by fairly small things.

I understand that the situation you are in can make it more difficult for you, but I still believe that excessive spelling errors can be distracting, reducing the effectiveness of communication.

I would to suggest to you a possible solution, proofreading. Before you send/post a message, simply look over your text for any spelling errors you may have made and correct them.

Chaser said:
So from what I see, no matter what the end result, not everyone will be happy with the decision. I've been off this thread for a whole, but took some time to catch up.
Why not client side (sorry Kira, I know my wacky ideas probably make you cry just at the thought of implementing them :<) “preferred alias” or something? That way people can choose to see cuntboy/duckbill or gynomorph/andromorph or what ever they choose.

I really, really like the idea of a 'preferred alias' display option in userprefs or similar
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we may run into a 'Babel' scenario, but there could be an option for showing a default/global alias
[ie how it works now]

titanmelon said:
we may run into a 'Babel' scenario...

What's this babel scenario? Haven't heard of anything under that word, and Wikipedia isn't of much help.

Siral_Exan said:
What's this babel scenario? Haven't heard of anything under that word, and Wikipedia isn't of much help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_babel#Sumerian_parallel

So far i like these two contenders.

"fbmg-intersex mbfg-intersex" and "demigirl demiboy".

Preferred alias also sounds nice.

Serperior09876 said:
So far i like these two contenders.

"fbmg-intersex mbfg-intersex" and "demigirl demiboy".

Preferred alias also sounds nice.

I don't care for that first one due to it looking like just a jumble of letters to me.

Thirtyeight said:
I don't care for that first one due to it looking like just a jumble of letters to me.

I also agree. I find the shorttag names to be almost "too" concise. It actually loses understandability.

Thirtyeight said:
I don't care for that first one due to it looking like just a jumble of letters to me.

GDelscribe said:
I also agree. I find the shorttag names to be almost "too" concise. It actually loses understandability.

I did make a suggestion earlier (forum #212319) for phonetic nicknames such has "fembod" and "mabod".

JAKXXX3 said:
I did make a suggestion earlier (forum #212319) for phonetic nicknames such has "fembod" and "mabod".

You know, I kind of like those. Short and to the point.

No matter which tags are agreed on now, they'll become politically incorrect after some time, and the whole discussion will begin again.

Munkelzahn said:
No matter which tags are agreed on now, they'll become politically incorrect after some time, and the whole discussion will begin again.

Aka. The PC merry-go-round. They didn't care when I made that point before and they're not going to start caring now.

What do you hope to accomplish with these comments? The mods have already decided to change the tags, so the only thing to be done is decide what they will change into.