Topic: New tags discussion

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

Creating this thread as a simple way to signal/advertise recently created "missing" tags, since updating the wiki is not always needed and few people check it for updates anyway.

I'll start with reporting Sideways oral for holding the penis shaft while the tip remains out (though I've used it once with penis lick):

post #798514 post #795691 post #703988

And balancing_on_tail for a pause most commonly associated with kangaroos (Existing tag found to be tail_stand. Aliasing has been proposed ):

post #806972 post #775740 post #639194

Spoon_position now exists for actual sex while spooning:

post #790546 post #773353 post #777784

And triangle_position covers the "reverse spitroast" (note that kissing to form a full triangle is not required!):

post #433280 post #790595 post #543539

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Genjar

Former Staff

I wasn't even aware of tail_stand. That's not the first tag that I would've searched for if I was looking for such posts. Merge it into balancing_on_tail?

(Wasn't aware of shoulder_stand either. I've been tagging those simply as upside_down, though that's less specific.)

Speaking of new tags, I've started adding to the unusual_position tag. It's meant for extremely unusual (and often impossibly awkward) sex positions. The tag name follows the same standard as unusual_penis.

post #806972

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Genjar said:
(Wasn't aware of shoulder_stand either. I've been tagging those simply as upside_down, though that's less specific.)

I've been Using on_shoulders + upside_down. Given it comes up a LOT (o.e. most cases of piledriver or reverse piledriver position), it's surprising such a tag is so underused.

I've started alias threads for Balancing and Shoulderstand

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cum on cake has arisen as a frequent case of cum on food:

post #778143 post #471190 post #382729

rubbing head cover a certain gesture associated with embarrassment or tiredness (I'm also looking for pictures to tag with rubbing chin):

post #810720 post #667163 post #797759

on top of has been unaliased (thank you parasprite!) for use with things like in lap or mounting:

post #809477 post #586305 post #797788

And just advertising no visible genitalia, a tag that could stand to see more use for pics of sex and masturbation where, well, no genitalia are actually visible:

post #760374 post #807040 post #811748

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Genjar

Former Staff

Circeus said:
And just advertising no visible genitalia, a tag that could stand to see more use for pics of sex and masturbation where, well, no genitalia are actually visible:

Why is it needed? Doesn't seem like something that the users would search for; and we don't usually tag things that aren't visible, as evident from all the no_* tags that have been invalidated.

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I would really like for chromatic_aberration to get more attention. This tag isn't exactly new, but not used enough comparison how much it's used, some artist basically use it with all their stuff. Several users actually tagged images as stereogram.

post #792535 post #789021 post #779648 post #644166

Second image actually has variant without camera hud and also the effect then disabled. Third and fourth images were actually tagged as anaglyph stereograms.

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Furrin_Gok said:
If you hadn't pointed it out, I wouldn't have even noticed those pictures had any effects to them. I'm guessing chromatic_aberration is that 3D coloring trick?

I guess wikipedia explains this better than I ever will, but in a nutshell, it's an effect caused by camera where colors get bit distorted. Have gotten popular in games as well. Usually it's really subtle effect (like first and second example), but if artist has no idea how to use it, then it can look like anaglyph stereogram to naked eye.

It's pretty easy to distinguish the two, if red/blue edge moves same amount of pixels on objects that should be near and far (wherever you are~~) then image doesn't have any depth and thus is badly applied chromatic aberration, like the last example image.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Another new sex position tag, to fill in the blanks: arch_position. Unlike most uncommon positions, this one has a relatively easy to understand name. The top is kneeling, while the bottom is in a partial bridge position (supported by shoulders or arms, with lifted back).
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I'm not good at describing sex positions. Maybe the thumbnails will make it clearer.

post #801569 post #601895 post #623684 post #800000 post #493367

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Circeus said:
Creating butt_cleavage because If there's a tag that covers plumber's crack and similar situations, I can't find it!

Please ignore this because apparently it was aliased without discussion a year ago...

GameManiac said:
Wouldn't against_wall, on_glass, and sitting net you similar results?

Also could discussion about the usefulness of the new tags be by starting separate threads? It's going to get more eyes and will avoid cluttering this one.

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Circeus said:
Please ignore this because apparently it was aliased without discussion a year ago...

That's kind of lame. Butt Cleavage should imply butt, yes, but not alias to it.

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Circeus said:
Please ignore this because apparently it was aliased without discussion a year ago...

Furrin_Gok said:
That's kind of lame. Butt Cleavage should imply butt, yes, but not alias to it.

There was a discussion https://e621.net/forum/show/132704 but it looks like most people were ambivalent or leaning towards an implication instead. It might be worth bringing up again if people miss it and think they would use it.

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Genjar said:
Another new sex position tag, to fill in the blanks: arch_position. Unlike most uncommon positions, this one has a relatively easy to understand name. The top is kneeling, while the bottom is in a partial bridge position (supported by shoulders or arms, with lifted back).
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I'm not good at describing sex positions. Maybe the thumbnails will make it clearer.

post #801569 post #601895 post #623684 post #800000 post #493367

reverse wheelbarrow_position?

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Knotty_Curls said:
reverse wheelbarrow_position?

Funnyily enough, Reverse_wheelbarrow_position came up in a different discussion not so long ago XD

I would be fine applying either name to both the kneeling and standing versions. After all, IMO the defining feature of wheelbarrow position has more to do with the legs held up than the top standing.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Circeus said:
I would be fine applying either name to both the kneeling and standing versions. After all, IMO the defining feature of wheelbarrow position has more to do with the legs held up than the top standing.

Yeah, and the reverse wheelbarrow is so uncommon that it probably wouldn't be worthwhile to have an another tag for it. So yes, maybe both would fit under the same tag.

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Genjar

Former Staff

I was adding missing tags to underwater images and stumbled upon a little used underwater_sex tag. And I figured that as long as I'm tagging related things, I might as well add that one too.

Does it seem worth keeping? Searching for underwater sex gets decent results now that I've added a lot of missing tags, but underwater_sex is pretty similar to already existing tags such as flying_sex.

(By the way, those posts were severely undertagged. Many had, for instance, bubbles tag but lacked underwater, water, sex, etc. Sheesh. Tagging priorities...)

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Genjar said:
I was adding missing tags to underwater images and stumbled upon a little used underwater_sex tag. And I figured that as long as I'm tagging related things, I might as well add that one too.

Does it seem worth keeping? Searching for underwater sex gets decent results now that I've added a lot of missing tags, but underwater_sex is pretty similar to already existing tags such as flying_sex.

(By the way, those posts were severely undertagged. Many had, for instance, bubbles tag but lacked underwater, water, sex, etc. Sheesh. Tagging priorities...)

I'm going to go ahead and imply underwater_sex to underwater and sex so this one doesn't get lost. I could see getting good use out of this one.

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Genjar said:
(By the way, those posts were severely undertagged. Many had, for instance, bubbles tag but lacked underwater, water, sex, etc. Sheesh. Tagging priorities...)

Undertagging is a problem in general, but one that is always going to be somewhat inherent to the site. Also Underwater_sex is indeed a very appropriate tag!

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Circeus said:
I'm not entirely sure what a teddy_(clothing) precisely is (I'm useless with female underwear and english fashion terms in general ^_^;;), but there's a tag for it.

post #736767 post #415400

I think that first image is actually mistagged and should be under babydoll instead. But the second image looks correct for teddy_(clothing).

In the most simplistic of terms, as I understand it:

Teddy_(clothing) is like a one-piece_swimsuit... except that it stops just above the breasts/cleavage line. (So no real sleeves or shoulder straps or neckline usually). It's lingerie, all one piece, covers the crotch, the stomach/torso and roughly as much of the breasts as a bra would cover. They can be transparent or not, have cutouts or not, and sometimes have all sorts of lingerie decorations (lace, bows, etc). But basically, it's like a combination-panty-and-bra that is one continuous piece so it also-covers-the-stomach.

Babygirl often resembles some variation of what looks like a bra with a flimsy curtain attached to it (pretending to be a top/shirt). It's awesome, but mainly meant for sexiness and not practicality.

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Hudson

Former Staff

Circeus said:
Undertagging is a problem in general, but one that is always going to be somewhat inherent to the site.

Maybe we could organize some kind of mass-tagging project in which we focus on a specific tag and inflate it all over e621 on relevant images?

Also, shouldn't triangle position imply threesome? It can only be done with 3 or more characters.

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HotUnderTheCollar said:
Maybe we could organize some kind of mass-tagging project in which we focus on a specific tag and inflate it all over e621 on relevant images?

Also, shouldn't triangle position imply threesome? It can only be done with 3 or more characters.

*shrugs* Not all tags are easy to find relevant pics for. Also implications have to be proposed and approved separately.

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Hudson

Former Staff

Circeus said:
*shrugs* Not all tags are easy to find relevant pics for. Also implications have to be proposed and approved separately.

I honestly wouldn't mind the idea of an organized tagging adventure.

So, just suggest an implication under the tab Tags? Even though I've been creating quite some forum posts lately :#

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HotUnderTheCollar said:
So, just suggest an implication under the tab Tags? Even though I've been creating quite some forum posts lately :#

Yup

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Something I personally think is worth keeping track of is tentacle_masturbation, where a tentacle'd character uses said tentacles to masturbate themselves. It's similar to consentacles, only with solo.

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Genjar

Former Staff

How about a new tag for large orgies? Here's a set of what it'd look like: set #3376.

Could be called mass_orgy. What do you think, would that be a worthwhile addition?

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Genjar said:
How about a new tag for large orgies? Here's a set of what it'd look like: set #3376.

Could be called mass_orgy. What do you think, would that be a worthwhile addition?

Huh, I could have sworn that tag already existed.

I guess that means +1 from me :P

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(This is probably (very) complicated-enough to warrant its own discussion, but I'll put part of it in here first. Will update this post with the relevant links when they're made)
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We don't really have any tags for specific gender x gender character art style stuff, in the format:

[gender1] [style1] * [gender2] [style2]

where * is some conjunctive character(s), like '/' or 'on'

An example:

male_anthro/female_feral

or
male_anthro_on_female_feral

which is a detailed form of:

anthro on feral or anthro / feral

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Notes for the lists included here for reference

Notes1:

\* These gender names (the intersex ones) are probably temporary, and are just placeholders for this post to give an idea of the number of possibilities/combinations.

See forum #140749 for more info

\** The semi-anthro tag is included here mostly for completion's sake. There's been some discussion about semi-anthro, and based on what's been said so far, it seems to be the general consensus that the name, 'semi-anthro' isn't descriptive/unambiguous enough

See forum # for more info

Notes2:
  • Everything is sorted alphabetically. This means all genders and styles
  • Some combinations are listed commutatively , for the sake of simplicity. This means that A x B is the same as B x A.

eg1 anthro x feral is the same as feral x anthro
eg2 herm x maleherm is the same as maleherm x herm
eg3 anthro_female x feral_herm the same thing as feral_herm x anthro_female

For non-commutative combinations, A x B is the same as B x A.

eg2b herm x maleherm is not the same as maleherm x herm

  • The combination alphabetically-lower on the list is omitted [eg1b feral x anthro is omitted]

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Genjar

Former Staff

The sex position discussions reminded me of something.
Would anyone object to bridge_position, for posts such as...

post #347622?

We don't already have a tag for that position, or do we? If there is, I can't find it.[/sup]The name might be slightly problematic. Several other positions are occasionally called bridge position, including what we tag as arch_position. So I'm not certain that it'd be tagged consistently. Also, I'm not sure if it's common enough to warrant tagging. I remember seeing a few, but definitely not more than twenty or so.

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Genjar

Former Staff

leomole said:
That is ... very specific. I've never seen it before.

It is from Kama Sutra. And often found on sex position lists as an example of advanced position that probably shouldn't be actually tried.

But yes, it's pretty rare on this site, and tough to search for. I know that there's more out there, but I can't figure out any way to find them. Maybe I'll just add that one to a set for now, and then create the tag once I actually locate more.

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Furrin_Gok said:
Since we use _position for our positions, the_bridge becomes bridge_position, like Genjar suggested.

Yeah, sounds good

If/when it's populated, I'll add it to the positions page

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Got a lot more to say about this, but for now:

Long version

Do we have a tag for a feral/anthro character with a humanoid penis? or animal genitalia for that matter?

[examples here]

Common eg:

Anthro characters can be drawn with either human genitals, or animal/non-human ones

Whe have the humanoid_[organ] tags like humanoid_penis and humanoid_vagina humanoid_pussy,

And we have the whole list of [animal]_* tags

So what single tag do we use to identify it?

Searching for {{humanoid_* anthro}} works because its the most common case, but what about {{animal_* anthro}}? you can't identify specific instances of the genitalia on characters - Another case is blacklisting Let's say someone doesn't want to see human penises on feral characters * They add feral humanoid_penis on a line or maybe * feral -anatomically_correct or even * feral -animal_genitalia if they're desperate - In all 3 cases, all [[feral/human]] posts are now blacklisted, as well as any [[anthro/feral]] posts where the anthro has a humanoid penis. So if that was their fetish, too bad [/section] h5. Short Version My suggestion: [b]A tag that identifies both body type (feral, human, anthro etc), and what category of genitalia they have (humanoid, animal, alien etc)[/b] E.g. * anthro*humanoid_penis * feral*animal_penis * human*humanoid_penis * alien*alien_penis * anthro*humanoid_pussy * feral*animal_pussy * human*humanoid_pussy * alien*alien_pussy Where * is some conjoiner such as 'with, or even just '_' * anthro_humanoid_penis * anthro_with_humanoid_penis

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Another more elegant solution is character-based tagging. It's much harder to implement but it would solve this problem and many more besides.

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I should really have titled this "new tag announcements" *sigh*.

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Circeus said:
I should really have titled this "new tag announcements" *sigh*.

To put us back on topic: It's actually been out there for a few months now but for those who hadn't noticed, someone created the tongue_taco tag after some discussion on this post:
post #727536

I'm a fan of the theme, but I really haven't noticed (and keep forgetting to look for) much in the way of posts that would apply ever since that post above (and it's variants) coined the term; The current tag count comes in at a staggering nine. Could eventually be a nifty tag though if people keep their eyes out for it.... Though I do think it has the potential for some theme-drift into normal penis_lick territory if people tag things without sufficient taco-ness. Two of the currently tagged posts are already pretty borderline in that department, so I would say if you go to tag posts for this, keep it less like these two:
post #778658 post #778659

...And more like the following two as well as the first thumb in this post :
post #829001 post #678610

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Circeus said:
I should really have titled this "new tag announcements" *sigh*.

You still can change the OP title btw

Creating this thread as a simple way to signal/advertise recently created "missing" tags, since updating the wiki is not always needed and few people check it for updates anyway.

About to do that, but putting it in here as an easy reference first

Should I make a separate topic for non-existing tag suggestions instead?

This one could be used purely for low-count/newly-existing ones

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leomole said:
Another more elegant solution is character-based tagging.

I agree, but like you said, that's been in the works for at least 73 years now [citation needed]

The above is a quasi-temporary, immediately-impementable solution that's (supposedly)consistent with existing structures

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I'm a fan of the theme, but I really haven't noticed (and keep forgetting to look for) much in the way of posts that would apply ever since that post above (and it's variants) coined the term

; The current tag count comes in at a staggering nine. Could eventually be a nifty tag though if people keep their eyes out for it.... .

imo, the entire point of creating new tags/terms is for a couple of common reasons:

  • An existing tag doesn't exist
    • An existing tag isn't commonly-used enough to be known

In the latter case, when the existing one becomes more known, the newer one can always be aliased to it

In the former case, there's no way to neatly find/identify/blacklist/other the phenomena,
so I would go so far as to say that it is because there are so few possible examples, that a new one should be made: to easily keep track of it

I have some discussion planned about the temporal state of tags on e6,

A range of states such as:

  • commonly-established [male, female],
  • newly-established
    • newly-established + major populated, [???]
    • newly-established + semi-minor-populated, [semi-anthro]
    • newly-established + minor-populated, [tongue_taco]
  • non-existent [yuhyeuadtw]

etc.

but it's still a WIP

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Though I do think it has the potential for some theme-drift into normal penis_lick territory

Well, you can lick an ice-cream cone (vertically), but you probably don't want to wrap your tongue around it and then shove it in your mouth (horizontally)

penis_lick sound like it could be a parent tag instead, depending on how much overlap (hah, wordplay) there is

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'if people tag things without sufficient taco-ness'
hue

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Until Circeus responds about the new tag discussion thing, an addition to the above:

anatomically correct anthro posts are relatively uncommon compared to anthros with humanoid genitalia, so what about a tag for those?

anatomically_correct_anthro

post #289756

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titanmelon said:
Until Circeus responds about the new tag discussion thing, an addition to the above:

anatomically correct anthro posts are relatively uncommon compared to anthros with humanoid genitalia, so what about a tag for those?

anatomically_correct_anthro

post #289756

Seems kind of unnecessary to be honest, because you could probably get what you want by just searching both the anthro and anatomically_correct tag at the same time. That should work for pretty much every solo picture for sure. With group pictures you'll still probably get much of what you intended, but you'll probably end up with some non-anatomical anthros with anatomical ferals, etc that'd you have to filter with additional tagging or manually filter in the thumbnails.

With those group shots, the added utility of the more explicit tag allowing you to ensure that the anatomically-correct character in the scene is an anthro instead of a feral/whatever enters again into that tag-grouping/linked-tag/character-tagging territory. It's probably not worth further trying to press into that for minor cases like this and better to wait for an actual full system like that to be implemented.

Otherwise, we end up with needing to do an "anatomically_correct_<insertFormHere>" here setup for consistency... Then, people might start trying to also do species, genders, etc until we end up with 50 new anatomically_correct_<whatever> tags to maintain. I think that might kind of end up being worse to deal with than not-having it at all.

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Crispix said:
It's probably not worth further trying to press into that for minor cases like this and better to wait for an actual full system like that to be implemented.

Otherwise, we end up with needing to do an "anatomically_correct_<insertFormHere>" here setup for consistency... Then, people might start trying to also do species, genders, etc until we end up with 50 new anatomically_correct_<whatever> tags to maintain. I think that might kind of end up being worse to deal with than not-having it at all.

Sigh

You might be right about that. This is probably the same thing Genjar was saying in forum #184972 about further differentiating flora_fauna into plants and animals
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On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been trying to blacklist anthro/feral posts with humanoid genitals for literally years, but no solution has been found without breaking other searches, because the necessary tags don't exist to do it, or the blacklist combination doesn't do what intended

Seems like this is gonna be a case of dealwithit.jpg

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titanmelon said:
Sigh

You might be right about that. This is probably the same thing Genjar was saying in forum #184972 about further differentiating flora_fauna into plants and animals
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On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been trying to blacklist anthro/feral posts with humanoid genitals for literally years, but no solution has been found without breaking other searches, because the necessary tags don't exist to do it, or the blacklist combination doesn't do what intended

Seems like this is gonna be a case of dealwithit.jpg

Yeah, there's definitely a consistent weakness with the current system in that it can't handle those finely granular levels of detail without having an arbitrarily large quantity of specific tags to cover every situation that comes up, and if you get too deep down that hole you'd end up with a system that is some combination of unusable, untaggable, and unmoderatable.

However, on the topic of your attempt to blacklist: What exactly are you trying to achieve and what is breaking when you try? You're trying not to see any post that has an anthro or feral with humanoid genitals? I'm assuming there's some conditions under which you think it's acceptable to have them in the pic or you would just blacklist the whole tag; What conditions would those be? Just like, if it's an actual human/humanoid that has them?

If that's the case, is there any reason blacklisting something like ~humanoid_penis ~humanoid_pussy -human -humanoid wouldn't catch the vast majority? I mean you'd still end up seeing any posts that happen to both have humans or humanoids in addition to a feral/anthro with humanoid bits, but it should still catch a whole lot of the rest of em.

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titanmelon said:
On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been trying to blacklist anthro/feral posts with humanoid genitals for literally years, but no solution has been found without breaking other searches, because the necessary tags don't exist to do it, or the blacklist combination doesn't do what intended

You have at least blacklisted ~anthro ~feral solo humanoid_penis right? Gets rid of the solo ones.

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titanmelon said:
Sigh

You might be right about that. This is probably the same thing Genjar was saying in forum #184972 about further differentiating flora_fauna into plants and animals
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On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been trying to blacklist anthro/feral posts with humanoid genitals for literally years, but no solution has been found without breaking other searches, because the necessary tags don't exist to do it, or the blacklist combination doesn't do what intended

Seems like this is gonna be a case of dealwithit.jpg

humanoid_penis exists, and as of recently so does humanoid_pussy (it's not very widely tagged though). Blacklisting humanoid_penis -human -humanoid might work reasonably well.

Other than that, I think blacklisting -animal_genitalia would be the second closest, but you'd probably have to combine it with something to be practical.

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Genjar

Former Staff

parasprite said:
Dunno. I wouldn't be against bringing the tag name back and just dealing with the trolls (if there are any).

One of the reasons why those were aliased away was because some artists took those as criticism. Best to keep those invalidated, I think. Just to avoid drama.

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Genjar said:

parasprite said:

Furrin_Gok said:

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Hm, even if we do end up bringing it back in some form, Genjar's probably right about there being artists who are gonna get mad because we labelled their feral horse-penis bird as some kind of inconsistency

Do you think there's a way to have a tag that's not offensive but still identifies such obvious anomalies?

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Just noticed we have a chiaroscuro tag; made a wiki for it
Might end up making a forum for discussion of what exactly should/shouldn't count for the tag

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Genjar said:
There's currently no good way to search for various types of transformation. Such as an anthro transforming into a feral. Searching for antro feral transformation gets poor results.

So I'm thinking that we should add tags such as anthro_to_feral, feral_to_anthro, human_to_feral, etc for mid-transformation posts.

Tagging transformation posts is a pita, and kind of gives me a headache. I can imagine that searching for something specific that's transformatiom-related probably isn't much easier, so this might be nice to have on hand.

+1

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Genjar

Former Staff

parasprite said:
Tagging transformation posts is a pita, and kind of gives me a headache.

Seconded. And it's in need of major cleanup. There's many posts where the characters have simply been drawn as alternate_species or as anthrofied/humanized, which don't belong under transformation. And then there's the posts that have been tagged as transformation by outside information.

Having the subtags would make those easier to clean up, so I'll just go ahead and start adding some.

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Just made a wiki for xenophilia, and added a mention to the alien page

If anyone has a better definition, feel free to mention.
I kept it vague to include humans and anthros (and ferals etc.), but humanoids seem to be the most common

Probably might need an *_alien pairing tag eventually, in the same vein as human_on_anthro etc, since some aliens by definition don't really fit into the more common body types
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Made an alien_genitalia tag (seems to be mostly male for now)

post #307703 post #10691

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A lot of images under xenophilia don't seem to be featuring a non-alien character, though. Looks like it needs cleaning out.

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Genjar

Former Staff

I'm against both of those tags.
Alien_genitalia isn't needed: we already have unusual_penis etc, and there's no standard for 'alien' genitalia. It has the same problems as dragon_penis had.

And Xenophilia means attraction to anything different. Not just to aliens.

The alien tag by itself is ambiguous, and is usually tagged by outside information. It's been largely replaced by humanoid, monster, and other species tags. We should consider disambiguating it.

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Genjar

Former Staff

I stumbled upon the desolate tag... It's for barren landscapes, such as deserts and wastelands:

post #289065 post #242165 post #729722 post #237474

I'm not sure if we need it, but I've added some posts to it because sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between desert/badlands/wasteland/etc. It might be good to have a tag we can use in such cases.

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