Riversyde said:
Yeah, I'd be willing to help with that if time permits. I'll just make a list of the primary colours for easier navigating. Feel free to add.

Just to clarify, this does not mean removing the tag and moving on, it means changing the colour tag to what is that colour in the image. red_markings, red_background, blue_hat, green_fur etc.

blue | red | green | yellow | purple | brown | black | white | orange

Might be a bit old but I think that these could be aliased to invalid_color so fixing them would be easier

Rainbow_Slash said:
Might be a bit old but I think that these could be aliased to invalid_color so fixing them would be easier

then we might as well alias them to invalid_tag.

But like blue/black/red there is some indication as what the tagger was talking about like black_fur or blue_eyes.

but while we are at it, we might as well make a rule against using these tags or something.

slyroon said:
then we might as well alias them to invalid_tag.

But like blue/black/red there is some indication as what the tagger was talking about like black_fur or blue_eyes.

but while we are at it, we might as well make a rule against using these tags or something.

I like reserving invalid tag for things we just don't use any more and using invalid color to change the color to black_fur or white_hair, etc

Have a few minutes to help the site but feel nervous about diving into a project or just don't have the time? Here's something you can do. Click your avatar and look to see if it's tagged properly and thoroughly, if it isn't, consider fixing it.

See, that wasn't so bad. If you still have time, perhaps you could check some of the more populated tags to see if they have a wiki.

I've been tagging One_piece_swimsuit as well as removing the tagme tag when the picture has more than 10 tags. another thing I've been doing is searching "male explicit -penis" and then fixing pictures where a penis is present but not tagged.

Pyrebuilder said:
I've been tagging One_piece_swimsuit as well as removing the tagme tag when the picture has more than 10 tags. another thing I've been doing is searching "male explicit -penis" and then fixing pictures where a penis is present but not tagged.

Thank you for doing your part and helping the site. Remember you can also put your search in order of least tags to greatest.

Rainbow_Slash said:
Thank you for doing your part and helping the site. Remember you can also put your search in order of least tags to greatest.

(order:tagcount_asc for those who don't know)

The hand_on_* and hands_on_* tags need quite a bit of cleaning up & clarification

Just as a heads up, I'll be removing sources that either don't have a direct image linked to it, or doesn't provide any definite useful information as to where the image came from (eg. source:*internet*,source:*unknown*)

Exceptions: Sources that mention an artist, or (valid) website, such as FurAffinity

Why? So the metatag hassource:false works properly (Thanks to tony311 for pointing that out)
For more info, you can check forum #36300

titaniachkt said:
Just as a heads up, I'll be removing sources that either don't have a direct image linked to it, or doesn't provide any definite useful information as to where the image came from (eg. source:*internet*,source:*unknown*)

By the way, you don't need wildcards at the beginning and end of the source: tag, you can just use source:unknown, source:internet, etc.

The black and white and greyscale tags need a ton of cleaning up, since it looks like they're being used interchangeably (myself included at times)

To make things a bit clearer, black and white is used for posts that mainly consist of black shades, and white tints (i.e. no grey/gray)
Greyscale on the other hand, is used for posts with varying shades of black and white (i.e. including grey/gray)

@tony thanks for clearing that up

what about monochrome?

monochrome is used for images with only one color

but should they be on pictures with that have no color?

the word "monochrome" means "one color."

black is a color

I'm guessing grey too huh? Good deal

I'm starting a sort of "Save the Tomboys" project. The tomboy tag is sadly underused, and I think it would be great to breathe some life into it. So if you like genderbendy stuff or just wanna lend a helping hand, there's a whole treasure trove of tomboys to be found and tagged!

titaniachkt said:

To make things a bit clearer, black and white is used for posts that mainly consist of black shades, and white tints (i.e. no grey/gray)
Greyscale on the other hand, is used for posts with varying shades of black and white (i.e. including grey/gray)

@tony thanks for clearing that up

so what would this pic be classified as ? post #222641

*edit

and as for this example, greyscale instead of BNW and remove monochrome? post #222041

swamprootwolf said:
so what would this pic be classified as ? post #222641
*edit
and as for this example, greyscale instead of BNW and remove monochrome? post #222041

Hope that helped!
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I'll wait a couple of days again (maybe till Monday) so everyone has a chance to disagree, since it'll be a pretty big change considering the amount of BNW/greyscale posts that get uploaded these days

swamprootwolf said:
greyscale instead of BNW and remove monochrome?

You can try, but you won't succeed

titaniachkt said:
Just as a heads up, I'll be removing sources that either don't have...

That reminds me, hassource:true arttags:<1 is a good way to find posts without an artist but most likely have it written in the source. source:deviantart arttags:<1 is an easy project to do because you can just copy and past the artist name found first in the source URL.

As per forum forum #37390 & forum #37842, I've started working on the greyscale and black and white tags

P.S. The majority of these were/are done based on saturation percentage (how grey or black and white the image is as a whole), so there might be a few that could be borderline

If you think a post was tagged with the wrong monochrome tag, you can say so in the comments
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Rainbow_Slash Rainbow_Dash said:
That reminds me..

Nice suggestion; definitely something to look into
It's a bit more work, but the latter method could work for other sites as well (source:furaffinity arttags:<1)

So... this thread is REVIVED!

For the moment I've adjusted some of the oldest tagging projects and removed any that were now irrelevant.

I've noticed that Tagme has 15 pages of posts! Guys! What happened?

• try for at least 10 tags per image! If you can't make it, leave tagme on it and try again later :)

sex -gay -straight -intersex -lesbian is still pretty terrifying! If there's sex going on, it should be Gay, straight, or lesbian, unless ther'es a herm/cuntboy/dickgirl in it, which would have intersex tagged. D: 88 pages!
-herm -female -male -dickgirl -cuntboy -ambiguous_gender is also .... terrifyingly populated D: 209 pages of pictures without sexes D:

In the mean time... thinking about starting a new version of this thread. Clearing off the oldest projects and starting a new list for the New and Hot Tagging projects. Whatcha'll think? :)

SnowWolf said:
So... this thread is REVIVED!

For the moment I've adjusted some of the oldest tagging projects and removed any that were now irrelevant.

I've noticed that Tagme has 15 pages of posts! Guys! What happened?

• try for at least 10 tags per image! If you can't make it, leave tagme on it and try again later :)

sex -gay -straight -intersex -lesbian is still pretty terrifying! If there's sex going on, it should be Gay, straight, or lesbian, unless ther'es a herm/cuntboy/dickgirl in it, which would have intersex tagged. D: 88 pages!
-herm -female -male -dickgirl -cuntboy -ambiguous_gender is also .... terrifyingly populated D: 209 pages of pictures without sexes D:

In the mean time... thinking about starting a new version of this thread. Clearing off the oldest projects and starting a new list for the New and Hot Tagging projects. Whatcha'll think? :)

That would be nice SnowWolf, I think tagging projects v2 would be very helpful.

As for the gender tagging and tagme, I'll get right to.

It'll be better once the coders get around to giving us subforums and we can have one just for tag discussions, then we can have stickies for all the big projects, but it seems like it'd be useful to put up a fresh one and unsticky this, so people don't just go to the last page and see what was discussed most recently.

SnowWolf said:
sex -gay -straight -intersex -lesbian is still pretty terrifying! If there's sex going on, it should be Gay, straight, or lesbian, unless ther'es a herm/cuntboy/dickgirl in it, which would have intersex tagged. D: 88 pages!

sex -gay -straight -intersex -lesbian -solo is a bit better. It lets you filter out solo masturbation pics, or find ones that are not tagged properly.

Then sex solo to fix incorrect use of sex to describe masturbation.

SnowWolf said:
So... this thread is REVIVED!

Yup! It seems so

In the mean time... thinking about starting a new version of this thread. Clearing off the oldest projects and starting a new list for the New and Hot Tagging projects. Whatcha'll think? :)

Tagging Projects v.2 does sound great, especially since the OP is about a year old (revisited topics, new topics, current issues, etc.)

Can't remove "sex" from post #194933 because of a dizzying amount of implications starting at autocunnilingus.

Is it logical for an image to be tagged with bisexual but not straight or lesbian?

Adrian_Blazevic said:
Can't remove "sex" from post #194933 because of a dizzying amount of implications starting at autocunnilingus.

Is it logical for an image to be tagged with bisexual but not straight or lesbian?

cunnilingus de-implicated from autocunnilingus. That way, a.c. won't always imply sex.

And lesbian, yes. Straight, no. It could be m/m/f

Does a difference exist between 5 toes and human feet?

They both seem to be used for characters with 5 toes
Should they be used separately (human_feet for human feet & 5_toes for characters with 5 toes), or aliased ( human_feet <-> 5_toes)?

Even though it's already mentioned in forum #39725, adding it here as well for visibility;

- All the different color tags are (supposedly) being cleaned up to specify what part of the image that colour refers to (such as *_theme, *_fur, *_body, *_hair, *_eyes etc. by aliasing them to invalid color when they're done being sorted into their respective colours

- N.B. The grey (gray?), red, green, (magenta?) and orange tags were deftly handled by slyroon already
Rainbow_Crash Rainbow_Dash is currently working on the purple (and pink?)
And I'm currently working on the green, black and white tags

Edit: You can see all the tags that are finished by checking out the aliases in the invalid color wiki article

If you're planning to clean up a colour, feel free to mention it in here as well so everyone has a clearer idea of what's going on

- N.B.² Since aliasing all unfinished colours (everything other than gray/grey) to invalid_color before they're finished would make finding them again very hard, it might be a good idea to wait till all the colours are finished first (just in case!)
[Update: Thanks!]

titaniachkt said:
Even though it's already mentioned in forum #39725, adding it here as well for visibility;

- All the different color tags are (supposedly) being cleaned up to specify what part of the image that colour refers to (such as *_theme, *_fur, *_body, *_hair, *_eyes etc.

- N.B. The grey (and gray?) tags were deftly handled by slyroon already
Rainbow_Crash is currently working on the purple (and pink?)
And I'm currently working on the green and black tags

If you're planning to clean up a colour, feel free to mention it in here as well so everyone has a clearer idea of what's going on

- N.B.² Since aliasing all unfinished colours (everything other than gray/grey) to invalid_color before they're finished would make finding them again very hard, it might be a good idea to wait till all the colours are finished first (just in case!)

it's nice to know people picked up from where i left this project and I'm currently working on orange

I just finished purple mlp and now I'll do pink mlp before returning to purple then pink. I'm doing mlp first so that if anyone wants to help, they don't have to see all the ponies.

Also, yes the colors will be aliased to invalid_color only after they are cleaned up

I'm working on the orientation project. I'm about 25% done.

What should we tag on "tentacles" images, if anything?

Adrian_Blazevic said:
I'm working on the orientation project. I'm about 25% done.

What should we tag on "tentacles" images, if anything?

nothing

I'll see how much time I can put into adding gay, straight, lesbian, and intersex tags

first off, does every pic with a sex tag need a gay,lesbian, or straight tag with it?
And concerning, g/s/l tags, what should I tag something like, post #231782 if intersex is not correct? To me, it seems like gay could work if you just pay attention to the brown furry, or straight; if you just pay attention to the blue one.

Also, with something like post #230094, is a g/l/s tag needed?

And lastly, if the picture is sexual, but you can't really tell genders, is that where the intersex tag should be used in place of a g/l/s tag or is there something else needed? ex: post #230101

Sorry for asking so many questions, but I would like to help and make fewer mistakes :P (I have tried searching the forum, but I couldn't really find anything that answered all of my questions.

Some images are wrongly tagged sex because of masturbation or something else. I've avoided intersex and anything I wasn't sure of.

bobbob14 said:
first off, does every pic with a sex tag need a gay,lesbian, or straight tag with it?

No. If all of the sex going on includes an intersexed character, those tags are not appropriate. If there is a direct sexual interaction between two males/two females/a male and a female in addition to whatever is going on with the intersexed character, then tag gay/lesbian/straight as appropriate. Examples:
M on H on F should not get gay, lesbian, or straight tags
M on F on H (spitroast or sandwich) should get a straight tag
A male fellating a dickgirl does not get a gay or straight tag.

And concerning, g/s/l tags, what should I tag something like, post #231782 if intersex is not correct? To me, it seems like gay could work if you just pay attention to the brown furry, or straight; if you just pay attention to the blue one.

The correct tagging for that image is bisexual straight gay. The blue female is receiving oral sex from the black male, which is straight (she is only interacting with a male). The brown male is getting buttfucked by the black male, which is gay (he is only interacting with a male). The black male is sexually interacting with a male and a female at the same time, which means that the bisexual tag should be added.

Intersex is not an orientation tag. It is an umbrella tag for dickgirls, cuntboys, and hermaphrodites.

Also, with something like post #230094, is a g/l/s tag needed?

That doesn't get gender or orienation tags.

And lastly, if the picture is sexual, but you can't really tell genders, is that where the intersex tag should be used in place of a g/l/s tag or is there something else needed? ex: post #230101

That should be tagged with male ambiguous_gender and no orientation.

bobbob14 said:
first off, does every pic with a sex tag need a gay,lesbian, or straight tag with it?
And concerning, g/s/l tags, what should I tag something like, post #231782 if intersex is not correct? To me, it seems like gay could work if you just pay attention to the brown furry, or straight; if you just pay attention to the blue one.

Intersex is not correct :) tag each interaction. the male on the bottom is engaged in straight sex with the female. and engaged in gay sex with the male. The one in the middle is clearly bisexual :) a picture can have gay, straight AND lesbian all at the same

{quote]Also, with something like post #230094, is a g/l/s tag needed?[/quote]

I.. uh.. fff.. Uh. N.. No?

And lastly, if the picture is sexual, but you can't really tell genders, is that where the intersex tag should be used in place of a g/l/s tag or is there something else needed? ex: post #230101

No. intersex is strictly for dickgirls, cuntboys,herms and similar. there is no identifiable gender here. Generally speaking, we assume characters are male, or female, then dickgirls/cuntboys, then herms. in a place like this where there's no proof (just an 'ambiguous_gender' tag, which is fine) I guess we don't need a g/s/l tag here :)

Sorry for asking so many questions, but I would like to help and make fewer mistakes :P (I have tried searching the forum, but I couldn't really find anything that answered all of my questions.

nonononono.
never apologize for asking questions.

You are AWESOME dude! I would pay money for more people who are willing to help out and learn :D ASk whatever you need! :) Keep on being AWESOME :D

Snowy beat me too it :P <3

cool, thanks for clearing all that up. :)

SnowWolf said:
Snowy beat me too it :P <3

With better quote tags, too!

Snowy said:
With better quote tags, too!

and with such humility and grace too :P

SnowWolf said:
and with such humility and grace too :P

You know I'm a million times as humble as thou art :P

btw, should tentacle on girl be tagged straight, and tentacle on guy tagged gay?

bobbob14 said:
btw, should tentacle on girl be tagged straight, and tentacle on guy tagged gay?

nope, we don't use genders on tentacles here at E621

Thanks. And another one, should a female pegging a male be tagged gay?

EDIT: annnd, for a post to be correctly tagged with 'sex', some sexual act must be going on, no? Or does standing around naked count?
post #207466, post #207189

bobbob14 said:
Thanks. And another one, should a female pegging a male be tagged gay?

EDIT: annnd, for a post to be correctly tagged with 'sex', some sexual act must be going on, no? Or does standing around naked count?
post #207466, post #207189

this and
this should answer it

bobbob14 said:
Thanks. And another one, should a female pegging a male be tagged gay?

No.

bobbob14 said:
EDIT: annnd, for a post to be correctly tagged with 'sex', some sexual act must be going on, no? Or does standing around naked count?
post #207466, post #207189

First one's not sex, second one probably isn't.

I'm going to be taking a break from tagging the straight,lesbian,gay,bisexual pics. So if anyone wants to pick this project up, be my guest.

I just starting adding "penis" tag to "-penis" posts the other day. Anyone wanna help? You'd be surprised how many pictures there are with missing "penis" tags when there are penises in said pics.

Start here, I guess.
http://e621.net/post?tags=girly+rating%3Ae+-penis

Just for the record, I'm currently going through my_little_pony -comic to tag every MlP related comic as such.

I'm also already halfway through, if somebody wants to jump in, I started at the last page and had to stop at page 120 of 202.

*Edit* hourly tag limit is gone, on to next 50 pages.

*edit 2* Aaand done, aprox. 950 comics tagged as comics, now I have a WHOLE new level of respect for anyone with a lot of tag edits.

so much awesome! :D

I"m working on a new tagging projects thread :) keep an eye out :)

if you have anythign you would like to see included--particualrly larger projects-- send me a message about it and we'll see if it fits into the starting post :D

I know I am working on Blue, let me know if anyone plans to work on it as well and i will work on it from old pages to new.

I'm working on few things on Friendship is Magic.

1. If you read wiki of anthro you would see that:

(...)
It is unnecessary and self-defeating to tag any and all posts with anthropomorphic characters anthro --
ExceptionThe tag should only be used on pictures that have feral animals in addition to one or more anthro characters. If an image has only anthro characters, don't apply this tag.

So simply, every post in anthro -feral is wrongly tagged. I've cleaned, and try to keep cleaned anthro -feral friendship_is_magic, but there are many, many other pictures with lone anthro tag to be corrected.

2. I'm adding feral tag, to non-anthro ponies of fim. I'm going by characters, from less popular to more popular. For now I've done:
All of pets, Ace, Joe, Daring Doo, Diamond Tiara, Featherweight, Snails, Snips, Dinky Doo, Colgate, Rose, Roid rage, Pumpkin Cake, Pound Cake, Shining Armor, TS Mother and Father, Princess Cadence, Flim and Flam, Rumble, Thunderlane, Cloud Chaser, Flitter, Fancypants,Pokey Pierce, Raindrops, Firefly

3. I'm adding species tag to fim characters when is needed. So far I've tagged:

RD, Daring Doo, Featherweight, Roid Rage, Pound Cake, Rumble, Thunderlane, Cloud Chaser, Flitter, Raindrops, Firefly, Surprise, Soarin,Spitfire as pegasus
Snails , Snails,Dinky Doo, Colgate, Pumpkin Cake, Shining Armor, TS mother and father, pony joe, lyra, Trixie , Flim and Flam, Vinyl Scratch,FancyPants, Pokey Pierce, Prince Blueblood, Fleur De Lys, Sweetie Belle as unicorns
Cadence, Nightmare Moon as a winged unicorn
Gilda as a gryphon
Discord as a draconequus
Zecora as a zebra
Queen Chrysalis is a changeling
Scootaloo as a chicken pegasus
Spike as a dragon

4. While tagging any of previous two I also tag cutie_mark tag when needed.

I'm planning to take a little break, cause I'm a little tired of this, so it would be great if someone took at least one character on point 2 or 3.
And please don't tag lone anthro tag. I've spent ours to clean it.

Edit: Got 2 neutrals for same reason, better - for the same post. So don't do point 1 or you're gonna be sent to the moon, apparently.

I'll help you out and do 2 and 3 while I'm going through. If you need help with any others, jus let me know

Rainbow_Crash said:
Funny you should mention, because I've been working on adding species tags. I think the anthro wiki might need a revise

Species tags have already been implemented. They will be activated as soon as aurali puts them through.

ippiki_ookami said:
Species tags have already been implemented. They will be activated as soon as aurali puts them through.

I think he means 'unicorn' and 'pegasus'....

SnowWolf said:
I think he means 'unicorn' and 'pegasus'....

And pony where it's needed

The new species tags combined with noticing a picture was improperly tagged got me thinking about what species might be out there that might be mis-tagged due to similarity with another species (either visually or textually).

I went through Panda and re-tagged a few improper ones to Red_Panda. Any similar suggestions for checking? I can't actually think of any off the top of my head but I am sure there are some out there.

Azazial said:
The new species tags combined with noticing a picture was improperly tagged got me thinking about what species might be out there that might be mis-tagged due to similarity with another species (either visually or textually).

I went through Panda and re-tagged a few improper ones to Red_Panda. Any similar suggestions for checking? I can't actually think of any off the top of my head but I am sure there are some out there.

oooh, good one.. hmm lemurs/ringtails and racoons.. tanuki and raccoons..

I would say wolves/greyfoxes/coyotes/ and stuff, but there are so many 'generic canine" that there isn't a lot of easily visible distinction between, say, a wolf, a fox, and a coyote and a dingo. not anyhting that you could see reliably, anyway. (and by reliably -- in most artist's rendition of a species.) .. the same goes for a lot of cat breeds. leopard? cheetah? jaguar? animal-with-spots.

hmmm... what else... there have got to be some 'better' ones then that.. . rats and mice? goats and sheep maybe?

Panda/Red Panda is still the only example I can think of that is extreme enough to be visible to anyone passingly familiar with the subject at a glance.

I did notice a recent thread which featured discussion on Eastern vs Western dragons. Someone commented - I forget who with out checking the thread - "I know it when I see it" but I think it's easier to define than that. Westerns having the short, stocky body; long tails; an absence of whiskers; always having wings (at least in the traditional fantasy variety - all fursonas and such may or may not comply but they're not really the ones who would typically get this sort of label even though the vast majority are western dragon inspired)

Cheetahs, Snow Leopards, Jaguars, and so on all have pretty distinctive spot or rosette patterns that can't really be just chalked up to artist whim. Well, they can be, but they would be be wrong and weird.

Wolves and Foxes have fairly distinctive fur patterning as well. The base canine skull shape is the same, but the ears vary depending on the species, especially in extremes like Fennecs.

forum #45268 has a big list of species under a collapse that are possibly applicable to this idea.

Alligator / Crocodile is a possibility but, uh, I think that would be a very difficult one to analyze in furry art.

Various species of elf. Drow/Dark Elf, Blood Elf, Night Elf, Forest/wood/generic elf (and lumping these three together will probably make True Elf Fans(tm) hate me), etc

Various species of taur... if such a determination can be made. I am willing to bet quite a lot of fake money that there are tons of posts mislabeled "chakat" just because some furries are apt to label every feline-taur they see as a chakat and the fact that there's really no external difference between a chakat and a generic feline-taur.

Various species of snakes. Cobras, rattlesnakes, coal snakes, or what have you.

My attention span on making this list is fading for now.

Looks like female somehow got implicated to lion. Most of it's been cleaned up, but keep an eye out for mistagged posts.

Azazial said:
Various species of taur... if such a determination can be made. I am willing to bet quite a lot of fake money that there are tons of posts mislabeled "chakat" just because some furries are apt to label every feline-taur they see as a chakat and the fact that there's really no external difference between a chakat and a generic feline-taur.

Well, there is one important external difference between chakats and generic feline taurs, that being that all chakats are herms with internal testes, slightly but not much larger than average humanoid penises, and those distinctive 'hand-paws' on their forelegs, sort of between feet and hands. Which...brings up a (thankfully rather civil) discussion I had with one of the admins yesterday regarding tagging practices.

Don't get me wrong, I have a healthy respect for rules...though the tag what you see not what you know rule is one I could write a small essay against...but certain things simply don't make sense. Tagging of established characters that are only ever drawn as one gender shouldn't be a debate. Anyone that takes the time to do a minute or less of reading about chakats would know that they're Always herms. It's a species trait-Which, IIRC, is itself a tag, yet another one that should be applied to any pic with a chakat in it. I know this discussion has been done to death. I know that the admins here don't particularly like this discussion. But a chakat. Is always. A herm. There aren't exceptions to this.

The couple tag needs some serious cleaning. Wiki says it's for two characters doing...couply things. It's a little subjective, but I feel the wiki does a good job getting across the spirit of the tag and what it's meant for. But shit, son, do we have a lot of non-couply images. I'll give some examples, and if it seems the tag definition needs to be discussed, start a new thread.

regarding chakats --we could set up a chakat-> herm implication, but ther'es not a way to tell a chakat from a felitaur most times. and.. i'll bet you that, somewhere out there, there's someone with a male/female chakat character JUST because they didn't' read the directions, or wanted to be special.

Regarding couples... Start a new thread, Red. I think this might be a case to redefine the definition of the tag, rather then clean the tag up.

SnowWolf said:
regarding chakats --we could set up a chakat-> herm implication, but ther'es not a way to tell a chakat from a felitaur most times. and.. i'll bet you that, somewhere out there, there's someone with a male/female chakat character JUST because they didn't' read the directions, or wanted to be special.

You have a good point there, and I'm happy to see that there's a deeper reasoning behind it than "because we said so", and thank you for that. I'm thinking that any chakat->herm implication would be regarding images where it's clear or established characters from the chakat universe, while any original characters could be "unless told otherwise". I'm probably just trying to find a solution where there isn't a problem, to be honest. I don't know how the artists and authors behind the characters feel in this matter, hell I'd bet some of them don't even know this site exists, but I know I wouldn't want a character of mine misrepresented. And I'm sure nobody searching specifically for females wants to see a chakat, any more than they'd want to see a cross-dresser. And if you think it's easy to spot a cross-dresser. Watch "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything". Other than by recognizing the actors, would you know that it's about three male drag queens? Because their getups are pretty convincing when they're acting like ladies. Hell, if I hadn't recognized the actors, I would've gone through the whole first five minutes of it before I noticed.

Insomniac said:
I'm thinking that any chakat->herm implication would be regarding images where it's clear or established characters from the chakat universe, while any original characters could be "unless told otherwise".

The implication system doesn't work that way.

We're not implicating chakats to herms or any other gender. Tag what you see applies to them as well. I don't care what the mythology or lore states about them, if it's not clear from the image that they're herms, they don't get tagged as them.

Insomniac said:
You have a good point there, and I'm happy to see that there's a deeper reasoning behind it than "because we said so", and thank you for that.

:)

I'm thinking that any chakat->herm implication would be regarding images where it's clear or established characters from the chakat universe, while any original characters could be "unless told otherwise".

But the problem is, we can't limit it. chakat implies herm would apply to EVERY chakat picture. And we can't police what's called chakat and what isn't. We can't stop people from putting 'chakat' on any felitaur, or what have you. Take post #222870 which is described by the artist as a "white lion taur" and 'he', yet is labled chakat... or post #185607 which.. uh... .. is.. REALLY.. not obviously a herm in any way. The only reason it is labled a chakat is that the artist called her 'chakat'... and even calls her a 'she'... there's ARGUMENT that you can see a sheath down there, but really, unless you're looking for it, no. Or post #11780 where there's absolutely no suggestion of a penis at all. or post #27131

On the other hand, people who are chakat fans actually have a great advantage in that they can search Chakat at any time and know that the pictures they're looking at are of herms, even if it's not labled as such. We don't have any gender-specific-species tags, I think, EXCEPT that one.

"I'm probably just trying to find a solution where there isn't a problem, to be honest.

Yup ;)

I don't know how the artists and authors behind the characters feel in this matter, hell I'd bet some of them don't even know this site exists, but I know I wouldn't want a character of mine misrepresented.

But is it misrepresentation? we tag what we see. What we see. WE see chakats, so we tag chakats. People interested in chakats, know they are herms. and, post #185607 would be of interest to anyone who didn't LIKE herms, but was interested in females. so by being tagged chakat and female (not that that picture is tagged that way, though it should be), we expand the audience. Would someone browsing for herms who did not know about chakats find that picture interesting? Probably not, no.

Tag what you see is to help people find the most relevant images possible to what they search.

And I'm sure nobody searching specifically for females wants to see a chakat, any more than they'd want to see a cross-dresser. And if you think it's easy to spot a cross-dresser. Watch "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything". Other than by recognizing the actors, would you know that it's about three male drag queens? Because their getups are pretty convincing when they're acting like ladies. Hell, if I hadn't recognized the actors, I would've gone through the whole first five minutes of it before I noticed.

and ypu've pretty much put the nail on the head as to why we tag what we see.

post #242701 is pretty obviously a male in a dress.
but how about these: post #167206 post #165543 post #163693 post #151959 post #151961 post #131158

all of those are labled 'trap'. All of those, I think, would be of interest to people who enjoy looking at females. as well as people who enjoy looking at crossdressers. And traps. Why should the hidden presence of a penis you can't even see 'ruin' the picture for someone only interested in girls? A truly convincing crossdressing male SHOULD be tagged female. because th'ts what we see. and anyone looking up 'female' should enjoy it... would they enjoy post #167371 ? Nope. because you can see a bulge, and it's obvious that that's not a girl.

tl;dr people looking for females who see a character that looks like a female, will be happy with what they find, regardless of if it's male, female, chakat or felitaur, as long as it LOOKS female.

And that is the basis of 'tag what you see'. :)

Hm...Y'know what, SnowWolf? You're an okay fellow. Consider the subject dropped. And thanks for taking the time to cram it into my head.

Insomniac said:
Hm...Y'know what, SnowWolf? You're an okay fellow. Consider the subject dropped. And thanks for taking the time to cram it into my head.

*smiles* I'm glad I could help, sir! :D

Yeah, SnowWolf is literally the best admin.

I'm not sure if I ought to break this out into its own thread or not since it's a topic that might need a fair bit of discussion, but:

Chakats - How do we determine what they are for the purposes of tagging on this site? There is currently no wiki page for the tag. In particular, external physical traits which would set them apart from other feline taurs were helpfully listed by Insomniac as:

1) herms with internal testes
2) humanoid penises
3) 'hand-paws' on their forelegs

And of course images which are explicitly labeled as "chakat", but I ignored this for examples below.

I went looking for examples of #3 and it seems like a pretty good criteria since it's very distinctive. Features #1 and #2 trail somewhat since they are more widely used.

As examples of "hand-paw" forelegs, I went looking for the fact that they have thumbs and longer, more distinct fingers rather than shorter and less manipulable toes. This would imply that they would prefer to walk on their palms rather than their toes as digitigrade animals would prefer to do. So I also looked for elongated front paws to imply walking on palms as opposed to shorter paws.
post #14817 (clear handpaw with thumb)
post #11874 (hand paw with thumb)
post #185607 (palm-like front paw structure)
post #229328 (fingers/palm front paws)
post #221625 (there appears to be a distinct thumb)
post #221831 (maybe - thumb on the red one but it looks pretty small and useless)
post #222883 (maybe - looks to be a thumb, but it's hard to tell how the paw would be used)

I think leaving questionable chakat tags in place would be reasonable.

Posts that are currently tagged as Chakat but which are clearly either not or unable to be determined by any of the criteria above
post #222886
post #223045
post #14803
post #200825
post #157461
post #80459

Anybody (pref: admin) want to go over the rest of my species list: http://e621.net/forum/show/45279 ?