Topic: Tagging Projects, (or, How YOU Can Help!)

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

so im taking it upon myself to work on things at random, pitch in where I can, but I think I just found another project that is just completely beyond both my skills, and my sanity, not to mention my lunch. If anyone has the constitution to decide what to do about this "penectomy" and "castration" tags. I feel there should only be one tag for describing this, and it should be something along the lines of "genital_mutilation" to describe things done to both male and female bits. Unfortunately, despite my constitution rolls, I think I just failed that check, and am unable to eat dinner tonight after trying to go through those images, and there are over 400 of them too. Anyone brave enough to try? good luck, Im gonna go watch youtube videos of them slaughtering pigs to get those images out of my head.

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cjkrythos said:
If anyone has the constitution to decide what to do about this "penectomy" and "castration" tags. I feel there should only be one tag for describing this, and it should be something along the lines of "genital_mutilation" to describe things done to both male and female bits.

Doesn't this need discussion? For the immediate future, I don't see a problem with creating implications penectomy, castration -> genital_mutilation (or more likely just mutilation); and possibly also include mastectomy -> mutilation.
But merging these tags would definitely require discussion. Currently, the penectomy page explicitly says 'not to be confused with castration', so obviously someone thinks it's a distinction worth making.

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cjkrythos said:
so im taking it upon myself to work on things at random, pitch in where I can, but I think I just found another project that is just completely beyond both my skills, and my sanity, not to mention my lunch. If anyone has the constitution to decide what to do about this "penectomy" and "castration" tags. I feel there should only be one tag for describing this, and it should be something along the lines of "genital_mutilation" to describe things done to both male and female bits. Unfortunately, despite my constitution rolls, I think I just failed that check, and am unable to eat dinner tonight after trying to go through those images, and there are over 400 of them too. Anyone brave enough to try? good luck, Im gonna go watch youtube videos of them slaughtering pigs to get those images out of my head.

The wikis describe them better, but contrary to popular misconceptions castration actually just refers to just removing the balls. Thus the two tags actually refer to different things. Castration fetish (even though it is rare) is much more common than penectomy fetishes, and dumping them into the same tag doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I'll look through the castration tags right now and pull out any that are just penectomy at least.

The few female genital mutilation posts we have here ended up falling into genital_mutilation, but there aren't many out there for whatever reason. Technically we also have the more specific female_circumcision, but again there's really just the 1 post tagged with it. There just isn't a whole lot to move in this case.

Edit: For blacklisting purposes, it would be nice to have castration/penectomy/circumcision/nullification/eunuch all fall under a master tag. I think something like genital_modification might be a good option, but there are probably better terms for it than that.

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I'd have to agree with Savage and Paraspirte on this one. Castration and penectomy are different things, separate fetishes, and it's not uncommon for people to only like one of them and still want to block the other one. I could see some room for implications to something like genital_multilation maybe. But both penectomy and castration do need to be kept intact as tags (pun not quite intended).

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I'm not sure where to bring this up at, but this is the only place on the forums here that seems likely.

The tag Mars Light Carbuncle should be turned into a character tag. The other Puzzle and Dragons Carbuncle tags (Moonlight Carbuncle, Sunlight Carbuncle, etc.) are also character tags, as comparison.

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SixthSun said:
I'm not sure where to bring this up at, but this is the only place on the forums here that seems likely.

The tag Mars Light Carbuncle should be turned into a character tag. The other Puzzle and Dragons Carbuncle tags (Moonlight Carbuncle, Sunlight Carbuncle, etc.) are also character tags, as comparison.

I did this one for you, but for future reference as long as it has less than 100 posts, you can actually do it yourself by prepending character: to the tag when you edit the tags on a post.

Like so:

character:mars_light_carbuncle

Same goes for copyright: species: general: and artist:

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Just_Another_Dragon said:
If i'm not mistaken you can also change tag types at https://e621.net/tag , but its just extra effort i think.

That seems like quite a bit more effort, but good to know.

By the way, the last character of a url gets ignored for certain punctuation (, . ! ? ) ( ).

For example you can write:

Did you mean http://www.e621.com?

And it will show up:

Did you mean http://www.e621.com?[/quote]

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parasprite said:
I did this one for you, but for future reference as long as it has less than 100 posts, you can actually do it yourself by prepending character: to the tag when you edit the tags on a post.

Like so:

character:mars_light_carbuncle

Same goes for copyright: species: general: and artist:

Ah, I see.
Thanks, then.
Does that only do it for that image or for every image with that tag?

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SixthSun said:
Ah, I see.
Thanks, then.
Does that only do it for that image or for every image with that tag?

Tag types are a property of the tag, not the post, so the single change to the tag naturally applies to every post which uses it.

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Genjar

Former Staff

The playing tag needs some work.

It's a mix of various tags that could be sorted to more specific ones. Such as gambling, gaming, masturbation, teasing, playful, playing_music, and playing_videogame. I already tag scripted the last two, so there shouldn't be many of those left.

(I'm not entirely sure why it gets tagged for masturbation. Playing with self, I suppose...?)

There's also some other uses that don't seem to fall under any other tag. Such as playing with toys. Dunno what to do with those.

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Genjar said:
There's also some other uses that don't seem to fall under any other tag. Such as playing with toys. Dunno what to do with those.

childplay, maybe.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Yet another project.

Current tiers of fatness go like this:
1) chubby
2) overweight
3) overweight + obese
4) overweight + morbidly_obese

Parasprite wrote good wiki entries for those, but the tags could use some cleanup. I've been staring at overweight -obese -morbidly_obese order:random so long that I don't feel like doing it anymore. So if anyone else has time to do a couple of sweeps...?

I've been cleaning it by the process of elimination, like this:
1) Look at the first row.
2) Find the fattest character on the row, and check if they should have the obese tag.
3) Find the slimmest one, and check if they should be moved to chubby.
4) Move on to the next row.

It's been getting better, but still needs a lot of work.

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Genjar said:
Yet another project.

Current tiers of fatness go like this:
1) chubby
2) overweight
3) overweight + obese
4) overweight + morbidly_obese

Parasprite wrote good wiki entries for those, but the tags could use some cleanup. I've been staring at overweight -obese -morbidly_obese order:random so long that I don't feel like doing it anymore. So if anyone else has time to do a couple of sweeps...?

I've been cleaning it by the process of elimination, like this:
1) Look at the first row.
2) Find the fattest character on the row, and check if they should have the obese tag.
3) Find the slimmest one, and check if they should be moved to chubby.
4) Move on to the next row.

It's been getting better, but still needs a lot of work.

I've been working on that intermittently, but most of what I'm trying to fix is chubby overweight since I'm assuming chubby characters tend to also get tagged with "fat" which is aliased to overweight, but they are somewhat mutually exclusive.

I think after I get done with solo_focus -solo -duo -group, I'll see if I can break this one down a bit.

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Genjar

Former Staff

parasprite said:
I've been working on that intermittently, but most of what I'm trying to fix is chubby overweight since I'm assuming chubby characters tend to also get tagged with "fat" which is aliased to overweight, but they are somewhat mutually exclusive.

I actually sorted out a lot of chubby overweight female earlier. It's down by 75% or so. The reason the males get tagged like that is because of the musclegut tag, which implies chubby. Even though many of them tend to be clearly overweight..

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parasprite said:
Well, I got the -solo -duo -group solo_focus sorted out, now to start the main—


post #149065 Oh, well... I wasn't planning on sleeping anyways.

That's only 427 hours if I start now!

I was doing -solo -duo -group -comic -animated various_copyright_tags and -solo -duo -group -comic -animated chartags:4.. and chartags:3 -mlp recently. Mainly those which I could tag just by looking at thumbnail but still it was a lot of tagging and I'm sure that on current tag ratings no one without access to aliases/implications can have much more tag edits tha-

Report: Tag Updates
Start Date 2015-02-05
End Date 2015-02-09

User Changes Percentage
Total 37984
Genjar 18753 49.4%
Granberia 4688 12.3%

...nevermind.

I also discovered that comic tag is very undertagged. Not to mention other tags for multiple pictures.

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Granberia said:
I was doing -solo -duo -group -comic -animated various_copyright_tags and -solo -duo -group -comic -animated chartags:4.. and chartags:3 -mlp recently. Mainly those which I could tag just by looking at thumbnail but still it was a lot of tagging and I'm sure that on current tag ratings no one without access to aliases/implications can have much more tag edits tha-

...nevermind.

*is in 4th*

flips table

I also discovered that comic tag is very undertagged. Not to mention other tags for multiple pictures.

Yeah, I've been throwing those in when I remember. I think I'm going to put that in the back and tackle the mlp solo/etc. first, because ponies. That tag limit really starts to kill me quickly though :(

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Granberia said:
...sure that on current tag ratings no one without access to aliases/implications can have much more tag edits tha-

Report: Tag Updates
Start Date 2015-02-05
End Date 2015-02-09

User Changes Percentage
Total 37984
Genjar 18753 49.4%
Granberia 4688 12.3%

...nevermind.

For the record: the way that works anymore has changed, so that running an alias/implication no longer credits the admin running it with those edits. And that happened before I become an admin, so none of my tag edit numbers have been inflated. That will be true of any newer admins going from now on into the future as well. So it's just the edit count numbers of admins who've been around a lot longer, (current and also former) which would have been effected by aliases/implications processing numbers inflating their tag edit count. Not that most of them would care much either way. But if it ever changes to effect tag counts again, I plan on writing my total-gained-the-hard-way total on my profile so that I can know how far I got just me. Just because I'm personally rather proud of it. *shrug*

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I giggle to myself whenever I see Tony's comment on alias/implications from that other thread since I passed him about a month ago in tag edits. :P

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I'm not sure where else to take this, but I'm confused as to whether this artist goes by Argento or Sonicboom53, since their art here seems to be tagged with either name but I'm not sure which should be used.

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SixthSun said:
I'm not sure where else to take this, but I'm confused as to whether this artist goes by Argento or Sonicboom53, since their art here seems to be tagged with either name but I'm not sure which should be used.

Nice catch! According to this post on inkbunny, it looks like they are actually the same artist. I just sent a message to asking them which one they prefer to go by, but for now your safe to use use either tag or whichever name is tagged on the source. Sometimes artists like to keep separate names for different content (e.g., nsfw name and sfw name) but it doesn't look like that's the case here.

After they get back to me I'll go ahead and submit an alias so everything can go under the same artist tag (you don't need to retag any of them as it's automatic).

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parasprite said:
Nice catch! According to this post on inkbunny, it looks like they are actually the same artist. I just sent a message to asking them which one they prefer to go by, but for now your safe to use use either tag or whichever name is tagged on the source. Sometimes artists like to keep separate names for different content (e.g., nsfw name and sfw name) but it doesn't look like that's the case here.

After they get back to me I'll go ahead and submit an alias so everything can go under the same artist tag (you don't need to retag any of them as it's automatic).

Alright, thanks. :)

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Genjar

Former Staff

Just a small note: I'm still working on that holding clean-up project that was started months ago. I've added two new tags, holding_condom and holding_glass. Holding condom was already approved, though nobody's got around to tagging those yet.

Any objections to holding_glass? It turned out to be so common that I'm almost certain it deserves a tag, and the theme is consistent (mostly 'classy' characters).

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Genjar said:
Just a small note: I'm still working on that holding clean-up project that was started months ago. I've added two new tags, holding_condom and holding_glass. Holding condom was already approved, though nobody's got around to tagging those yet.

Any objections to holding_glass? It turned out to be so common that I'm almost certain it deserves a tag, and the theme is consistent (mostly 'classy' characters).

I've been working on holding_weapon as I see it, though it never occurred to me to remove the holding tag (if that is what we are doing).

We also technically have holding_cup, but that's more of an afterthought here. Are we trying to clear it out entirely?

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Genjar

Former Staff

parasprite said:
I've been working on holding_weapon as I see it, though it never occurred to me to remove the holding tag (if that is what we are doing).

Sorting out all of holding tag into subtags was suggested at one point, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea. There's images of characters holding all kinds of weird things, so it'd mean creating a lot of tags that are only used once..

On the other hand, holding by itself is pretty useless. Not sure why anyone would search for it.

But for now, it's probably best to just tag the common ones. If holding needs to be removed from those at some point, it'll be simple to do with tag scripting.

Here's an another common theme that I've noticed:

post #355224 post #601954 post #293240 post #146995

But I dunno if that'd be worth tagging. Holding_tray would overlap a bit with waiter..

Edit: There were also a couple of tags such as holding_burger. That seems too bloaty, so I combined those under holding_food. I think anything from holding food barehanded to holding a plate of food should go under that tag, no need to get more specific than that.

Updated by anonymous

Just a heads-up that I updated the sexual position section on the e621:tagging checklist page to include the tag group:sex positions link to make things easier to keep track of

(The page is looking great by the way; hopefully we can eventually create a near-comprehensive list of all the common and uncommon ones)

Updated by anonymous

I fackin' did it: link
All 16 pages/2600+ posts with the sexuality tags missing on them (mostly male/female), have been sorted and the correct tags have been added.

Took me too many hours than I want to admit, but it's finally completed.
I'd really appreciate if you peeps checked now and then to make sure it won't grow to such an amount again.

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Peekaboo said:
I fackin' did it: link
All 16 pages/2600+ posts with the sexuality tags missing on them (mostly male/female), have been sorted and the correct tags have been added.

Took me too many hours than I want to admit, but it's finally completed.
I'd really appreciate if you peeps checked now and then to make sure it won't grow to such an amount again.

*high fives* Nice! I know a couple people were working on that one sometimes, but it's nice to see it done. A lot of work too. Looks good.

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Peekaboo said:
I fackin' did it: link
All 16 pages/2600+ posts with the sexuality tags missing on them (mostly male/female), have been sorted and the correct tags have been added.

Took me too many hours than I want to admit, but it's finally completed.
I'd really appreciate if you peeps checked now and then to make sure it won't grow to such an amount again.

Nice job! I thought it seemed a bit strange that those images were actually tagged. ;)

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Tagging Project

Level: Moderate to hard

Gay -> male/male transition

If you hadn't noticed already, we've made the switch from gay -> male/male. Over the years we've had problems with people mistagging gay to refer to several things (forum #152968) and while the meaning hasn't changed (forum #153085 and forum #150289 in general) the tag still needs some cleaning up and now is a good time to do it.

This is roughly how it's being used now:

  • Sexual interaction between males and other males.
  • Non-sexual (usually questionable or safe) romantic/courting/mating sort of stuff between males and other males (kissing/hand_holding/etc.).
Notable related tags:
  • crossdressing - Wearing clothing of the “opposite” gender. Mostly refers to males wearing feminine clothing (panties, dress, etc.).
  • girly - Refers to “effeminate” men and is more of a body type/attitude thing, but often overlaps with crossdressing. Some of these may be tagged male/male simply because “this character looks/acts gay so I’m going to tag it gay”, and the male/male tag needs to be removed from those.
  • disembodied_penis - Always considered male. Note that this can get confused with sex_toy.
  • tentacles - They are genderless and don’t count as a character. Treat them like glorified dildos unless they are attached to a character.
  • transformation/gender_transformation - These can be a bit of a headache, but tag them as whatever gender they are when having sex.
Suggested searches:

See howto:tag genders for details. Feel free to send me (or a mod) a dmail if you have any questions. Note that I am not a mod and can't give an actual ruling but I'm happy to answer questions as best I can.

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Tagging Project

Level: Easy to moderate

Herm, dickgirl, and old posts

Many people tagged old posts using herm as a blanket term for any intersex character (some still do) and they need to be removed and replaced with whatever the appropriate gender tag is (usually dickgirl).

Here's a very rough summary of how genders are used now:

  • intersex - Blanket term for intersex characters
    • dickgirl - Penis + breasts. No pussy.
    • herm - Penis + pussy + (usually) breasts.
      • maleherm - Penis + pussy + male body. (fairly rare)
    • cuntboy - Pussy + male body. No breasts. (
  • male/female - Pretty much what you would expect in real life, and nothing else.
  • ambiguous_gender - Can’t tell or there are conflicting clues. A good rule of thumb is if the character has a pussy/penis you should never tag them with ambiguous_gender.

Remember that herm in particular needs at least some evidence of having a pussy (including angles of penetration)) in order to be tagged herm. It is common for a character to be tagged herm in one page of a comic but dickgirl/female in others.

Suggested searches:
Notable related tags:
  • moobs - "Male boobs". Common on larger (fatter) males. They are almost always going to look like fat.
  • muscular_intersex - Blanket term for any intersex character that is muscular.
  • muscualr_female - Any female that is noticeably muscular. It’s probably better to think of this one as more of a fetish than a characteristic. Note that this is more commonly tagged on newer posts than older ones because it was invalidated for a while.
  • transformation/gender_transformation - These can be a bit of a headache, but tag them as whatever gender you see. For instance, a single post may have a male -> female transformation with a visible dickgirl/herm transition somewhere in the middle, and all of those need to be tagged.

See howto:tag genders for details. Feel free to send me (or a mod) a dmail if you have any questions. Note that I am not a mod and can't give an actual ruling but I'm happy to answer questions as best I can.

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Tagging Project

Level: Very easy

Add gender/gender for intersex pairings

If you haven’t noticed already, the male_on_dickgirl, etc. tags have been moved to male/dickgirl, etc. to follow with the new naming scheme (forum #150289). Like with gay -> male/male the meaning hasn’t actually changed and the only issue with these tags are just that they are widely underused, even more so for older posts.

Nothing much to say about this one as it’s pretty straightforward. Tag combinations as you see them for any form of sexual interaction between these characters.

Notes:

  • In the vast majority of cases the characters will be: Touching, using an object (like a sex toy) to touch, or putting fluids onto another character (cum, urine, etc.). If you aren’t sure whether to add it, ask the forums, send me a dmail, or ask a mod.
  • Only tag these when both characters are in that individual post.
  • Disembodied_penis counts as a male character, and posts with one need to be tagged accordingly (male/dickgirl, herm/male, etc.).
  • Tip: The pairs are all aliased together so it doesn’t matter which order you do them in. In other words you don’t have to remember whether it was dickgirl/male or male/dickgirl because the correct tag wiil get added automatically.
Suggested searches:

(priv+ only search, contact me for member-level workarounds)

** maleherm -solo -male -female -dickgirl -cuntboy -maleherm/herm -maleherm/maleherm (priv+ only search)

See howto:tag genders for details. Feel free to send me (or a mod) a dmail if you have any questions. Note that I am not a mod and can't give an actual ruling but I'm happy to answer questions as best I can.

Sorry for the multiple posts in a row. Cloudflare was giving me errors on preview (probably due to length) so I decided to split them up

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Genjar

Former Staff

I've finished the basic cleanup of the holding tag.
Besides the already existing subtags, I noticed a couple of common themes:

Paintbrushes
Whips
Money

But I'm unsure if any of those (holding_brush, holding_whip, or holding_money) would be useful enough to tag.

The first one is already well covered by the artist and creating_art tags. The second one overlaps somewhat with holding_weapon, but perhaps users who are into domination might find it useful. And I can't think of any uses for holding_money, unless someone's got a money fetish which I wouldn't find surprising.

Opinions? Are any of those worth creating?

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Genjar said:
The second one overlaps somewhat with holding_weapon, but perhaps users who are into domination might find it useful.

Yeah, I think that holding_whip will be useful to have as it's own tag for that reason. Not really sure about the other two though.

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Genjar said:
I've finished the basic cleanup of the holding tag.
Besides the already existing subtags, I noticed a couple of common themes:

Paintbrushes
Whips
Money

But I'm unsure if any of those (holding_brush, holding_whip, or holding_money) would be useful enough to tag.

The first one is already well covered by the artist and creating_art tags. The second one overlaps somewhat with holding_weapon, but perhaps users who are into domination might find it useful. And I can't think of any uses for holding_money, unless someone's got a money fetish which I wouldn't find surprising.

Opinions? Are any of those worth creating?

Genjar said:
I've finished the basic cleanup of the holding tag.
Besides the already existing subtags, I noticed a couple of common themes:

Paintbrushes
Whips
Money

But I'm unsure if any of those (holding_brush, holding_whip, or holding_money) would be useful enough to tag.

No for the reasons you already mentioned, also the first image is holding colored pencils as well (food for thought); probably because bdsm, there are a lot of images with whips just sort of hanging out, but I don't know if there's enough to justify making a distinction (though, I'm also not sure if I'd consider a whip a weapon either); I would say no to money but there are actually probably enough of those to justify tagging it (see also: shut up and take my money).

What I mainly want to avoid is opening up a can of "holding_can_opener", etc. In other words, the point where it borders us being a bit neurotic and somewhat useless for searching.

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Lance_Armstrong said:
parasprite, project 23:

https://e621.net/post/index/1/interspecies%20-solo%20-duo%20-group%20-solo_focus%20-duo_focus

It's the easy mode

Duo_focus actually implies group now, so that's fairly redundant. I went through the solo_focus -duo -group a couple weeks ago but it's already got a big chunk in there again that need to be gone though and I'll probably clean it up tomorrow if I remember. Those should help save a couple search slots if anyone is interested.

I never thought of splitting interspecies though. Thanks, that's a good one. :)

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I'm going through dragon anthro solo -breasts because people often mistag anthro dragons as feral and vice versa, and I've found a few that have really stumped me. For the most part I say if they have four legs it's feral, otherwise anthro, but some of them are really ambiguous. And of course if they only have legs and wings... Some of these are more ambiguous than others because at some point I gave up thinking about them :P

Also I most likely missed some while going through these since I was just glancing over them.

This is a general issue, but I just concentrated on dragons for the moment because I'm not going through everything tagged with anthro.

Oh and anthro feral solo -model_sheet is always a fun one...

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Genjar

Former Staff

Nightdragon939 said:
I'm going through dragon anthro solo -breasts because people often mistag anthro dragons as feral and vice versa, and I've found a few that have really stumped me.

Most of those seem like ferals to me. Not sure about post #424238. Toony characters are always troublesome.

Also, you might want to add -clothed to the search; it'd filter out some definite anthros.

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Genjar said:
What's the eric_hates_this tag about?
Is it just some troll tag that can be wiped, or is there more to it?

I have no idea. It was added mostly by 2 users, but several others added it as well. It seems like a meme or something but I haven't been able to trace the source of why it was added as a tag except that "eric" obviously refers to Eric Schwartz, the creator of Sabrina Online (which I've never read).

The comments in post #112953 post #260 give a little bit of context but don't really explain it. Superficially it looks like the artist had some controversy or something and this was the reaction of the fandom to it, or it's an inside joke with the comic. I haven't been able to verify anything, that's just my guess.

But yeah, I see nothing wrong with wiping it.

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parasprite said:
I have no idea. It was added mostly by 2 users, but several others added it as well. It seems like a meme or something but I haven't been able to trace the source of why it was added as a tag except that "eric" obviously refers to Eric Schwartz, the creator of Sabrina Online (which I've never read).

The comments in post #112953 post #260 give a little bit of context but don't really explain it. Superficially it looks like the artist had some controversy or something and this was the reaction of the fandom to it, or it's an inside joke with the comic. I haven't been able to verify anything, that's just my guess.

But yeah, I see nothing wrong with wiping it.

Sounds like something that would make a better set name/idea if anyone cares enough to do it.

Updated by anonymous

I kid you not, I ran into this only a day or so ago and wondered the same thing. Made a note to myself to look into it a little deeper before wiping it just in case there was more to it. But all I could find was that it came from some kind of drama surrounding possibly certain kinds of fanart about eric schwartz's art? Not sure. But I'm pretty sure now it can be wiped without any issues. I don't think it was ever valid as a tag.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Yep, after digging a bit... that seems to be it.
Eric S. requested that if someone draws fan art of his characters, they should stay true to their personalities: Zig Zag is the one who sleeps with anyone, whereas Sabrina is more chaste.

And of course, some fan artists took that as a challenge and drew Sabrina humping anything that moves (and some things that don't).

So it's basically a troll tag. I'm just going to go ahead and wipe it.

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Genjar said:
Here's a basic tagging question...
What's the proper way of tagging photos of furries wearing fursuits?

post #577322 post #545877 post #545387

Anthro? Anthro and human, since we all know that there's human in there? ...or maybe just human plus fursuit?

I usually just ignore the human part unless some of the human is visible (incomplete suiting, etc). So I just tag it as fursuit and anthro (unless it's one of those rare feral suits) etc. Because the human is informed/known information instead of being visible and taggable. In a fursuit, the human is like the skeletal structure that allows it to move, but not taggable unless there's holes, torn or otherwise partial coverage making the insides visible enough to tag. Just like we don't tag bones unless visible. And I think people searching for "human" would expect to see visible humans.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Yeah, that makes sense, and it's actually how I've been tagging them. But those don't seem to be tagged with any consistency, so I was starting to wonder if I'm doing it right...
Thanks for the confirmation.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Peekaboo said:
I'll try and clean it all out over the weekend, but like last time, would appreciate the help.

...
I tried to help, but...

After tagging a few hundred of those, I noticed that many posts are missing the sex tag; and then got sidetracked. Long story short, I ended up doubling the size of your project since there's now thousands of new posts tagged as sex.

I'll, um, see if I can help tagging those without getting sidetracked again.

Updated by anonymous

I think that the cum-related tags need help. I see lots of posts with only 'cum' or even without it, when they should have multiple cum tags. The location of cum is of great sexual interest to many people, myself included :)

Tag examples that need help:

  • cum
  • cum_on_face
  • cum_inside
  • cum_while_penetrated
    • cum_in_pussy
    • cum_in_ass
    • cum_in_mouth
  • cum_on_tongue
  • cum_on_butt
  • cum_on_feet
  • cumshot
  • felching

There are even more, but these are some of the more important ones IMO.

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SirCheez said:
I think that the cum-related tags need help. I see lots of posts with only 'cum' or even without it, when they should have multiple cum tags. The location of cum is of great sexual interest to many people, myself included :)

Tag examples that need help:

  • cum
  • cum_on_face
  • cum_inside
  • cum_while_penetrated
    • cum_in_pussy
    • cum_in_ass
    • cum_in_mouth
  • cum_on_tongue
  • cum_on_butt
  • cum_on_feet
  • cumshot
  • felching

Just a quick note on this. This should actually be:

  • cum_while_penetrated
  • cum_inside
    • cum_in_pussy
    • cum_in_ass
    • cum_in_mouth

Because cum_while_penetrated refers to the receiving character's cum, not the character that is penetrating them. Put another way, you can also use cum_while_penetrated on a solo character anally masturbating with a dildo (though it usually isn't tagged this way for whatever reason).

That being said, this definitely looks like a worthwhile project.

Updated by anonymous

i was just swapping out some bvats posts and... oh how i hate this type of bvats post (they're almost always too big to upload here). post #631662 should i leave this as is, waste my time seeing if the full size version miraculously fits in e621's resolution limits, or leave a comment seeing if anyone wants to grab the full size version and chop it up and turn it into a pool (if it even deserves to be made into one that is)?

oh, its DEFINITELY not within resolution limits. full size is: 1309 x 27839

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DragonFox69 said:
I've recently noticed that quite a lot of animated and interactive posts are missing the animated and interactive tags.

I'm trying to find a way to find these posts and add the tags with little success. Right now I'm using the search:

~type:swf ~type:webm ~flash -animated -interactive

but this doesn't even come close to finding them all.

Can anyone think of a search that could give me better results?

~

and - has weird behavior with type: searches for whatever reason, you need to do them one at a time.

Searches:

For cleanup:

  • flash -animated (hunt for jpgs and whatnot tagged with flash)
  • animated type:jpg
  • animated type:png (note that there are animated png files, Firefox and Safari have native support, Chrome will show static image unless you have the APNG extension installed. Oh, these should also be tagged animated_png if you see them. They are pretty rare though.)

Gifs are going to be tricky, but these might pull up a few:

Something else that might help is to put type:jpg and type:png into the blacklist while you are doing these in order to simplify searches, even though it does end up showing a lot more pages (though you can increase this to 360/page).

If you don't want to mess with your current blacklist, you can either copy it to somewhere temporarily or put a # in front of each entry like this:

#SFM

#horsecock human

#tag_tuesday 

The # doesn't do anything special, it's just a character that tags don't use, so it never ends up matching anything.

By the way, you can use commas and # to organize the blacklist for multiple unrelated projects:

#solo, #duo, #group

#male, #female, #intersex, #ambiguous_gender

zero_pictured

animated, type:png, type:jpg

#horsecock human, #sfm, #tag_tuesday

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parasprite said:
~ and - has weird behavior with type: searches for whatever reason, you need to do them one at a time.

Searches:

For cleanup:

  • flash -animated (hunt for jpgs and whatnot tagged with flash)
  • animated type:jpg
  • animated type:png (note that there are animated png files, Firefox and Safari have native support, Chrome will show static image unless you have the APNG extension installed. Oh, these should also be tagged animated_png if you see them. They are pretty rare though.)

Gifs are going to be tricky, but these might pull up a few:

Something else that might help is to put type:jpg and type:png into the blacklist while you are doing these in order to simplify searches, even though it does end up showing a lot more pages (though you can increase this to 360/page).

If you don't want to mess with your current blacklist, you can either copy it to somewhere temporarily or put a # in front of each entry like this:

#SFM

#horsecock human

#tag_tuesday 

The # doesn't do anything special, it's just a character that tags don't use, so it never ends up matching anything.

By the way, you can use commas and # to organize the blacklist for multiple unrelated projects:

#solo, #duo, #group

#male, #female, #intersex, #ambiguous_gender

zero_pictured

animated, type:png, type:jpg

#horsecock human, #sfm, #tag_tuesday

Nice one! Thanks for the info.

I don't actually use my blacklist at all so using it to help out with specific projects sounds like a plan. :)

(I never knew that # was a thing, I'll need to keep this in mind.)

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Genjar

Former Staff

Another question: What's the best rating for sex toys?

Those tend to get tagged as either Questionable or Explicit, though occasionally they even get rated Safe.

Here's one example:
post #96359

Realistic looking dildo. Should that be explicit instead of questionable? And if that's explicit, what about simpler dildos? And other types of toys, such as artificial pussies?

Based on how those are tagged, the opinions seem pretty split. Might be good to have some admin ruling for those.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar said:
Another question: What's the best rating for sex toys?

Those tend to get tagged as either Questionable or Explicit, though occasionally they even get rated Safe.

Here's one example:
post #96359

Realistic looking dildo. Should that be explicit instead of questionable? And if that's explicit, what about simpler dildos? And other types of toys, such as artificial pussies?

Based on how those are tagged, the opinions seem pretty split. Might be good to have some admin ruling for those.

If it's just a vaguely penis-shaped dildo, I'd say it should be questionable, like the one in the example you provided.

If the dildo is looking a lot like the real deal, have veins and such, then it might be in need of the explicit tag. Examples (Just of the dildos) post #579427 post #553386 post #550027

Updated by anonymous

Remember that if your questioning it, it's probably questionable. :V

In all seriousness, if it's just a sex toy laying around it's almost always going to be at least questionable (and basically never safe). If the sex toy is sexualized or especially emphasized I'd rate it explicit instead. (granted this isn't exactly official)

Fuzzy examples:

post #631624 post #130767 post #29429 post #8322 all explicit

post #61068 questionable

post #197128 is the only one I've seen which might be safe, but I'm still not 100% sure on this one

The example Genjar linked would definitely be questionable as it's neither detailed nor immediately obvious what it is (it took me a second to find it).

Another good rule of thumb to go by: In use = explict, not in use = questionable. It may not work in every possible case, but I'd be surprised if it didn't for the vast majority of them.

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parasprite said:
Are nipple_play and nipple_stimulation functionally different? I can't help but wonder if merging the two might be an option, and possibly implying nipple_pinch.

AFAIK, nipple_stimulation arose from needing a way to tag when someone has vibrators attached to their nipples, so their nipples are being stimulated, significantly so, but the nipples aren't actually directly being played with or touched. If it weren't for that common scenario, we probably could combine nipple_play and nipple_stimulation because they overlap in a lot of ways. But I think that's the factor that complicated it enough that another tag was born just to handle it so that we have both of those tags now. Though there may be a better way to handle it that's more clear and concise.

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furrypickle said:
AFAIK, nipple_stimulation arose from needing a way to tag when someone has vibrators attached to their nipples, so their nipples are being stimulated, significantly so, but the nipples aren't actually directly being played with or touched. If it weren't for that common scenario, we probably could combine nipple_play and nipple_stimulation because they overlap in a lot of ways. But I think that's the factor that complicated it enough that another tag was born just to handle it so that we have both of those tags now. Though there may be a better way to handle it that's more clear and concise.

Really? I've tagged a bunch with vibrator_on_nipples (after Vibrator_on_penis, which is also woefully undertagged BTW). Given how much of a mess nipple_stimulation's turned into (pratically undifferentiated from nipple_play, as parasprite note), I would never use that.

Updated by anonymous

A question - is the 'edit posts' mode on the posts page the same as tag scripting or a different system? Because lately I've been using doing tag projects using the edit posts mode but I'm not sure if there's been any difference.

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EmoCat said:
A question - is the 'edit posts' mode on the posts page the same as tag scripting or a different system? Because lately I've been using doing tag projects using the edit posts mode but I'm not sure if there's been any difference.

The edit posts mode is a faster way to tag but it's a little bit different than tag scripting. Tag scripting is where you enter a script into a box like comic group greyscale -black_and_white (add comic, group, greyscale, and remove black_and_white) and just click on each post to tag them. Only priv+ can use tag scripts.

Tips with edit posts mode (depending on browser):

  • Certain browsers like Chrome let you resize the box, it makes seeing a bit easier. eSix Extend also increases the size of the box as well as add a few visual cues to make it easier to tag.
  • Copy + paste and the enter key makes it a lot faster.
  • Use browser zoom (ctrl +, CMD +, 125%, etc.) to make the images a little easier to see for certain projects (like dialogue, text, tagging solo, etc.).
  • Use middle click (press scroll wheel) or hold ctrl/CMD when clicking to open in a new window when in edit posts mode (your pointing device may not be able to this).

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parasprite said:
Just a quick note on this. This should actually be:

Because cum_while_penetrated refers to the receiving character's cum, not the character that is penetrating them. Put another way, you can also use cum_while_penetrated on a solo character anally masturbating with a dildo (though it usually isn't tagged this way for whatever reason).

That being said, this definitely looks like a worthwhile project.

I knew that, I just made a mistake while writing the list. The sub-list should be under cum_inside

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Genjar

Former Staff

While back, we had a short discussion about adding a holding_whip tag.

I just tried tagging some images with that, but still don't know if it'd be worthwhile.

On one hand, it could be useful to users who are into domination. But on the other hand, most images tagged as whip depict someone holding one. So there's really not much difference between that and holding_whip.

So maybe it's not needed. Should I untag the ones that I added?

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Genjar said:
While back, we had a short discussion about adding a holding_whip tag.

I just tried tagging some images with that, but still don't know if it'd be worthwhile.

On one hand, it could be useful to users who are into domination. But on the other hand, most images tagged as whip depict someone holding one. So there's really not much difference between that and holding_whip.

So maybe it's not needed. Should I untag the ones that I added?

I do recall there being the holding tag in general.

Updated by anonymous

I found out the name of that oft-commissioned char:

post #197927

It's "Kampyo" but I can hardly search for pics with him. I already tagged up the one mistagged pic that used the commissioner's name. If you know of any other...

Updated by anonymous

i was just looking around and i see posts that need the solo tag removed unless i'm not understanding the tags wiki page, solo: When a post only features one character.

example: post #239468 that is a comic with multiple characters in it, FAR from being a solo pic.

doing a search like, rating:s my_little_pony male solo, doesn't seem to have this issue but swapping out the my_little_pony tag with a specific character such as pinkie_pie turns up posts with the solo tag that shouldn't be tagged solo.

oh and while i'm talking about it, does a pic like post #577930 count under the solo tag?

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treos said:
i was just looking around and i see posts that need the solo tag removed unless i'm not understanding the tags wiki page, solo: When a post only features one character.

example: post #239468 that is a comic with multiple characters in it, FAR from being a solo pic.

doing a search like, rating:s my_little_pony male solo, doesn't seem to have this issue but swapping out the my_little_pony tag with a specific character such as pinkie_pie turns up posts with the solo tag that shouldn't be tagged solo.

oh and while i'm talking about it, does a pic like post #577930 count under the solo tag?

Comics are tricky. If I remember correctly each panel counts separately, so it's possible for comic to have all three solo, duo and group tags.

Updated by anonymous

hm, the wiki is not very good on this subject.

It talks about 'post' (on solo and group) and 'picture or animation' (on duo). we need some terminology like 'subimage' to describe things like a) comic panels, b) collages of multiple poses that make no pretense that they are one unified scene, c) individual parts in a montage of variations on the same image, d) separate scenes in an animation.

As far as I know, solo/duo/group are generally applied per subimage.

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savageorange said:
hm, the wiki is not very good on this subject.

It talks about 'post' (on solo and group) and 'picture or animation' (on duo). we need some terminology like 'subimage' to describe things like a) comic panels, b) collages of multiple poses that make no pretense that they are one unified scene, c) individual parts in a montage of variations on the same image, d) separate scenes in an animation.

As far as I know, solo/duo/group are generally applied per subimage.

Check the link to the forum topic mentioned on the wiki pages for these tags. I set out a framework in that thread which seems to work but I don't want to update the wikis until it's decided that it's 100% reliable.

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